what if this was designed on purpose so the "only the passenger can open it" part was taken care of :o 200 iq move "lol everyone will think we made a mistake but we're 4 dimensions ahead of you"
We know you want to have a look, but you're not allowed... It should be modified to have a switch activated by a counterclockwise turn playing a soundbite of LPL stating Title 49
@@Bobblyben1, approval is over the phone. LOCK COMPANY: "We have a new lock box for travel." TSA: "Did you put a TSA lock on it?" LOCK COMPANY: "Yep, sure did." 🤞😏👍 TSA: "Ok, good to go."
That's what I was thinking, actually. It seems like they wanted it to comply with the TSA while still being legal, so they made a TSA keyhole but the key doesn't work. The entire lock seems like it was perfectly designed to satisfy everyone's needs. Or it was just a massive design flaw. Idk.
Never seen stack underflow before, what kind of nonsense would you need for that? Other than handwritten ASM or some crappy old redundant programming language, of course.
"This case is illegal." "That's bad." "But it has a design flaw that renders it legal." "That's good." "But it also has another design flaw that renders it illegal." "I quit."
Hey, the law just says it has to be in a locked, hard case that only you have the key to. It doesn't say anything about it not being possible to physically dismantle the box in five seconds...
Maybe this lock design is genius? Have a TSA lock so TSA agents don't throw a fit, but make the TSA lock inoperable so it still complies with Federal law. These guys found a loophole!
Gun safes aren't supposed to have a TSA lock. That's specifically for security - so you can't have a confederate on the inside who uses their TSA key to open your gun safe inside the security checkpoint and hands you your gun, thus enabling you to walk through security unarmed but board a plane armed. This is sometimes used by people traveling with expensive gear they don't want stolen - there's no regulation that a gun safe can't have other stuff in it as well. So they buy a gun safe designed for a long gun, put a flare gun or starter's pistol in one corner (which are considered guns for airline safety purposes but not under other laws), and then fill the safe with their expensive telescope or musical instrument or whatever.
You just dug your hole deeper, because now you look like a bad nonchalant lier as well as incompetent. The line is "It's not a bug, its an *undocumented* feature"
So let me get this straight, this item would have been designed and built tested, then sent to TSA offices for approval, and not a single person tested the lock to see if the key works? That's a multiple layer of incompetancy that is so crazy that it's actually quite impressive.
Reminds me of a time I was working on the floor with a quality control guy. He had to inspect and test every aspect of the product with a long list of defined controls. Except for one: a squeaky cover. Nothing in any of his documents had a control against a squeaky cover. So he had to pass the product, with the squeaky door.
I doubt it would have to be sent to the TSA to get approval just built to a set of specifications (which it failed to do), any lock can be TSA compliant as long as it is openable with one of the TSA keys and has which key opens it permanently marked on it
I don't know, that "design flaw" looks like it was intentional for the reasons you described. It's legally valid by federal law and the TSA can't fuck with it. The hinge pins OTOH are actually legitimately bad.
There is the distinct possibility that it isn't for monetary reasons but for financial ones. That lock with the TSA key is probably used in hundreds of other products and thus it was cheaper to simply disable the TSA key bit than to design an entirely new one. Even replacing the core with a non-TSA one or designing an entirely new knob would probably cut too much into the profit margins for such a cheap design.
@@garymitchell5899 He is a member of the bar, and also makes videos on lockpicking; thus he is a lawyer, and also a lockpicking enthusiast. Also in the video, he explains how it's almost illegal, with a citation to a US law code, making it not clickbait. He is a non-clickbaiting, lockpicking lawyer
@@garymitchell5899 I mean, you didn't really think the "lawyer" part of his channel name was just a joke or something, did you? Have you not heard how this guy speaks? Just imagine that voice in a court room - he was born for the work!
Who said he wasn't a lawyer? He claims that the design flaw makes it legal. The design flaw is the hinges - the law relates to the lock. It is total clickbait.
@@garymitchell5899 you forgot the design flaw that the TSA key wont work, thus making it compliant with the "and only the passengers retains the key/combination" part of the law
Actually that and secure are 2 different things. You could in theory have a secure box but tell everyone you know the combination or make them a key copy., it would still be secure as in the people authorized may get in, others not. But law says only you
theGhostWolfe, no, the CFR is very clear on who retains access to the contents to a locked firearms storage container. It ain't the TSA. I've had TSA cut both padlocks off of my rifle case. Even though my contact information was displayed in the case and a copy of the CFR is laminated and affixed to the case, they cut the locks and replaced them with two TSA approved padlocks, which I did find until I arrived at my destination. The problem was that I didn't have the keys. I filed a complaint to which TSA claimed that the information on their website was law. After that experience, I modified the case so that the padlocks went from a lock with a hasp to a Medeco puck lock enclosing a 17-7 stainless steel hasp.
Scott Kenny I couldn’t get the local police to even take a report. The TSA supervisor was as thick as a concrete block. I stated that the TSA website was wrong, that the CFR was the law and that they needed to understand that policy isn’t law. I contacted my Congressman that spoke with the TSA and allegedly it was being corrected. Nothing has changed. I’ve added a gps tracker and an audible alarm to the case, plus the new locks and custom fabricated hasps.
I mean even if you literally obey the law and put your own padlocks on your gun case, the TSA just come along with bolt cutters and cut them off then replace them with TSA openable ones. Which it seems is not something the TSA should ever do. There's a long video on TH-cam where this actually happened to a guy and he deliberately missed his flight in order to a) film this entire interaction and b) complain to higher ups in the airport that what they did broke the law.
"I've been talking for too long" 3 minutes into a video. I appreciate being short and to the point unlike most TH-camrs who won't post a video shorter than 10 minutes long.
Yeah padding the runtime for ads irritates me. I've watched a few videos lately that were 8 minutes of content and 2 minutes, 5 seconds of end-card just to get over the limit.
Michiel van Erven TH-cam allows the user to adjust playback speed, slowing down those that speak too fast (and speed up the vast majority that speak too slow).
"I have no idea how something like this got through the testing process." I do. It wasn't tested. Who ever was handing it off said "It didn't fail testing" which is technically true.
Personally, I'm guessing it was tested, they found the flaws, and told people it would need to be re-designed. Then some higher up said "We already got TSA approval on this design though, and if we re-design, we'll need them to re-approve, which is too much trouble. Ship it."
@@jastur3645 I bet they designed it so the tsa lock would open, started producing them found out they weren't compliant with the feds and just changed the receiving slot to allow it to comply without much effort on their part.
Honestly, even though it's obvious they screwed up....if this actually was intentional, then it wouldn't be inexcusable, because it would be a genius case of malicious compliance. I mean it's got a TSA approved lock in it, yet it still complies with title 49 to not be illegal.
I'm honestly surprised fewer people aren't mentioning this. To me it seems that the way the title is written maybe most gunsafes aren't technically legal since not only the passenger has the key (all the TSA agents also have the key, therefore it is illegal?) It honestly sounds like it is in practice almost always illegal to travel with a firearm since you need the TSA to have a key, but you cannot travel if not only you possess it. So they let you travel with one if you're compliant, but it sounds like they basically reserve the right to either say you need a TSA master key to access this case or you can't fly, OR, since a TSA master key can access it, its technically illegal. They can tell you that you aren't complying with one or the other requirements that are almost mutually exclusive. This case however seems to have found a way around that as it is TSA compliant (says so right on the box) but only the passenger can access it with their own key or the code (making it comply with title 49). And to be honest when it comes to gun cases I really don't think people should be as concerned with how easy they are to unlock or bypass, the lock box isn't really to prevent theft but just to secure a firearm. And if someone is trying to get to your firearm by means of pliers or lockpicking equipment, the gun case isn't really designed to deal with that. More for keeping out toddlers or preventing misfires. All in all this gun case looks absolutely genius.
@@eewweeppkk Man, you could grab that firearm with a tooth pick and your hands, any pointy thing would do the job, after you move the pins you could grab it with your hands, literally awful design.
@@eewweeppkk AIUI the TSA lock isn't a legal requirement, they'll just break into any other luggage that is selected for inspection and won't pay for a replacement of any damaged locks or luggage.
@@jacobmartinez4031 Well that depends on the usage of the case. If you only use it for travelling by air in the US the gun mustn't be loaded or it's illegal. So even if someone steals the gun they couldn't kill anyone or at least they would have a harder time doing so...
As someone who works in the plastics industry, this may have been the solution when the lawyers said we cannot have the tsa key working. Small shifts like that are many times the cheapest way to resolve the issue at hand.
Heard a story about Someone who was standing at the TSA booth with a compliant gun case locked with a secure padlock holding the keys waiting to hand them to the agent who proceeds to cut the lock off and berate the passenger for not using a TSA lock
I have never once had a TSA agent inspect one of my firearms. Ever time it's just been the airlines check in agent. And then I'm told IF the TSA wants to take a look they will.come get me. Never has happened.
@@im2geek4u Only time I had a TSA inspect one of my firearms was at the Denver airport and it was after they X-rayed the case and saw it was an MP5 that I had in the case. I think they just wanted to look at it more than anything.
There are several publicly viewable penetration tests done that show TSA is quite poor at their actual mission. They do however excel at giving me a hard time when I travel.
Is the key flaw actually designed as intended? What does TSA regulation require? Does the lock actually need to work or do they just need to "work". Seems like an ingenious way to fulfill both Federal and TSA requirements. Since the key "works", it operates the locking mechanism. But it doesn't actually work to unlock the box, hence fulfilling Federal requirement
That's what I was thinking. The flaw seems so obvious, it might actually be intended. If that's the case it's actually not a bad design, if you ignore the hinge of course
No, there shouldn't be a TSA lock on a hard case carrying a firearm, at all. A guy actually talked at a panel about how he uses that to transport everything he carries in locked steel cases to prevent theft. Since each case contains a firearm only he can open them, and there were occasions where he got through faster because he had firearms in there (separate line). He talked about a few things I don't remember exactly, some edge cases, what to say to idiots etc. Also to check the rules for where you fly and keep up to date with the federal laws.
And the the TSA agent can ask the passenger "oh looks like there is something wrong with the key can you open it up for me?" Which the passenger then opens it up with the combo...
Imperial Knight, you do realize that the Transportation Safety Administration is a Federal Agency under the Department of Homeland Security, right? Essentially, you said that this gun case fulfills both Federal and Federal requirements . . . .
@@tortex1 That sounds like Deviant Ollam. The only problem is that apparently the TSA keep breaking into his cases by cutting off his locks to inspect them and then "securing" them with TSA luggage locks or even zip ties!
@@jordanbomb32 Are you having a bad day? Boss yell at you? Mom keeps screaming down the basement stairs at you? Get your ass kicked playing your little games? Well guess what scooter, you are a fail as a troll as well!
@@tinknal6449 nah dude. He explicitly says what it is for multiple times. And you say what it's for. You wanted to be noticed for repeating the video. Maybe it's my autism and retardation... But I need to know why you had to repeat the video in the comments
Which is usually what they do anyway. If they want in your locked case, those damn hinges are right there. They aren't going to try opening the lock if they don't have the key
I have to get this box and leave it out just so when people ask about it I can say, " Well do you know about Title 49 Code of the Federal Regulations sec 1540.11C2 ?... "
If they want to look in my bag they have to come and ask me first. That should be the standart no matter what. I always wrap my suitcase when traveling. Then its easy to see if its been open or not.
What I love about LPL, is that every sense of emotion and expression has to be perceived through his voice and hands. In this case, at 3:45 you can see in his hands the disappointment with the product, by the way he pulls them up and grabs the box. He marries his hand gestures with his statement "okay folks" and the inflection in his voice essentially says "There's really nothing more to say about this piece of junk"
"If all it's meant for is compliance with TSA rules, and not actual security [...]" This one sentence really says everything you need to know about the "security" TSA rules provide.
@@matthewklahn7523 that's impossible to know, the TSA could very well act as a deterrent to prevent attacks, even if they couldn't do anything if someone actually tried
@@jonathantadlock-stein2023, Bullshit! They have never stopped an attack or hijacking ever! If they had we’d never hear the end of it. They have caught a few accidental forgotten prohibited items. And the ridicules items they prohibit! You can take your illegal and unconstitutional TSA and shove them up your ass! No weapon of mine has ever or will ever be used by me to commit a crime. If every passenger had a gun no plane would ever be hijacked! At least not for long, lol! With all due respect, go to hell sir!
@@evelbill1439 dude, calm down, I never said the TSA was worth the tax dollars, or that they actually do their job, all I’m saying is that there has to be at least one person who thought of hijacking a plane, but decided against it because of the TSA. Again, I’m not saying the TSA is the best thing ever to happen to mankind, I’m just playing devils advocate.
@@evelbill1439 I'm too poor to own a gun, but I earnestly want to believe that the crime rate would tank if even a significant percentage of citizens had a basic handgun and firearm safety training since any location with multiple people goes from "plentiful hostages" to "plentiful threats". That's "want to" believe because there is a concerning percentage of individuals who, through mental illness, entitlement, or whatever cognitive inhibitor, would feel perfectly justified shooting someone who mildly inconvenienced them.
My theory on how this got through: there was never any chance that it wouldn't. I once overheard a couple of contractors tlaking, and one said, "When they ask for feedback, they only want positive feedback, if you give them negative feedback they just don't hear it." So often true...
I demand to see at least one video where you pick the lock on a little girl's diary. Or pretend that it's impossible in order to discourage a mischievous brother.
Well, I can only speak for myself as a mischievous brother, but, at least some 25 years ago, you cold brute force them with just about anything you had on hand and more often than not they still closed after.
The moment when you realize that there's a combination lock that's probably easy to pick, and yet there's an even easier bypass that doesn't involve spoons or drink cans or twigs
Deviant Ollam has a whole video on flying with declared firearms: "Packing and the Friendly Skies". TSA locks do not belong on the case, they shouldn't even be able to open it without you present. If they do, they are breaking all sorts of firearms laws.
I've had TSA agents demand my key, so they could inspect my case, but I want allowed to be present. I tried to tell him that was illegal, but he was not listening. My option was to comply, or be unable to fly home.
Shoot another tsa agent. In court they can't prove it was you, if they had independent access, and co-worker rivalry is as good a motive as any. And it would not be long before their policies were changed. But first...you need a lock box that actually works.
Lost Alone I agree, it’s very important to read up on the relevant laws so you can quote them or search them up when you need to. I did that for my pocket knife to make sure it and my balisongs (butterfly knives) were compliant, which they are. If I for once in a blue moon decide to carry a balisong and use it in public for something, one of two things happen: 1) “Oh cool! Can I play with it?”,to which I say, “Hell no, I’m not gonna have you slice up your hand,” or 2) “Aren’t those illegal?”, to which I can cite the state statutes surrounding knife legality to show my knife is compliant.
@@cymond You had another option, which I hope you took, and that is to note down their name, the location and time and report this to federal authorities. TSA clowns are very rarely capable of reading and breating at the same time anyway, it is a dead end hob for those unfit to be crossing guards at the local school.
I also love how we gloss over the fact it's made of plastic. Some people would try to pick the tsa lock or crack the combo. Some might attack the hinge pins. But my first thought is "place on ground. Doom e1m1 plays. Pummel"
TBH, you could probably chuck it at a wall and it would pop open, if not shatter on impact. Taking out the clip and putting the gun on “safety” is honestly more secure than using this safe.
Who would of ever thought that after 60 years on planet earth in would love watching a lawyer picking locks! Damn it, the best part is my wife actually enjoys watching also! Go figure? Thank you and keep up the good work!
I called Hornady this morning and they said they had already seen the video. I spent about 15 minutes on the phone with the technical guy and he didn't seem very concerned about these flaws. He said it was tsa-approved and that's What mattered and also that you had to have a very sharp object to push that hinge pin out and people wouldn't likely be carrying one of those. Looks like Hornady is not really concerned with people illegally getting ahold of your firearms just their pocketbook.
@@OUSWKR it's not about how easy it is to break. It's about someone working for the airlines being able to access the contents without leaving visible damage to be found before you get it back at your final destination.
This combination lock got a mean combination of jabs, punches and uppercuts in under 5 minutes. It is stunning to see, how some companies apparently do not care at all about their product.
I always wondered about downvotes as well, until I realized people might use those as a way to train algorithms to stop suggesting videos that aren’t of interest?
New from Snap Safe: 100% unpickable lock. The second you attach it to whatever you’re locking up, the mechanism breaks and the lock gets permanently jammed shut. You can’t pick it open if it can’t even open in the first place
And then someone from TSA tries to open it, fails, breaks the box to check the contents and then confiscates the gun because it no longer is in a secure case.
Thanks to your information from this video I kept an unsuspecting customer at my work from buying one of these and helped her find a better case! Thanks LPL
I'll never understand why anyone designing something hinged that's meant to be secure would leave the hinge pins on the outside. It's like installing a vault door in a plywood wall.
Weirdly, if you want to legally travel with a gun, you need to buy the keylock/non-TSA version of the Lock Box, it's also cheaper! The ease of entry is also great for people like me who forget codes or lose keys :)
Honestly that might have been intentional. The TSA wants access to everything, but doesn’t check anything and their “rules” aren’t backed up by the law here. Illusions of access for the security illusion people and legal compliance for everything else. Maybe I’m giving them too much credit, considering they didn’t put much thought into the rest of the box, but then again they clearly weren’t spending their dev money on the box design...
removing the hingepins is only so effective in accessing the contents within because of how flexible the case is. I don't think you could purposely create a worse design
I beg to differ. possibilities to make it worse: - use cardboard as a material. -leave a gunshaped, gunsized hole at the bottom. -do not connect the part the lock locks into with the body -ad a knob at the end of each hingepin to allow toolless removal.
I wonder if the intent was that TSA can LOCK the case without knowing the combination. If required to open, you can set the combination, open and then clear the combination. But the hinge still sucks.
Pliers are still pretty neat to have.. This video doesn't even mention the most dangerous thing. You can easily reinstall the hinges back in. That way you can easily take anything that was in the safe (or even put something in) and there wouldn't be any indication that the box has been opened.
@@jukka-pekkatuominen4540 The point is that you don't need pliers to get in the box. If you find that box in the overhead compartment during a flight and manage to move the pins out one cm you can grab them with your fingers.
@@Engineer9736 They aren't allowed in the passenger compartment. Firearms are only allowed in *checked* baggage, that which ends up in the cargo hold separate from the passengers.
Many years ago I was at a collage graduation in California. The governor himownself came to give the address. After ten minutes he said, "So to conclude this speech..." and then he talked on. At the twenty minute mark he said, "The final point of this speech..." and then again at the half hour mark he said, "I know you are all sitting in the hot sun, so I'll keep this brief..." and at the forty five minute mark he said, "So that's all I have to say. And also...." he made it to the hour mark before he ended his rambling remarks, having trolled the audience mercilessly. Three minutes? Bless you!
I would imagine that after they had the locks on hand they realized the issue about only the passenger should have access, cheapest solution, offset the receiver. not a design flaw as much as a half arsed fix.
I absolutely love this channel and highly respect you for your abilities and honesty. Could you possibly craft a list of locks you highly recommend and for each particular category? I would like to have my items secure but I usually just buy “packaging” since I don’t know any different. I am not a lock expert by any stretch but would really like my items secure. Home Safes, firearm safes, travel locks, bike locks, standard all purpose locks (like master locks), motorcycle disc locks etc...
Funny enough just started looking for my first firearm. Noticed this box on the shelf and picked it up. Something looked familiar about it. Searched youtube and I KNEW it was familiar hahah from THIS video I saw a year ago. Thank you so much for helping me avoid this mess.
this man never fail to amaze me with his ridiculously wide array of powerful resolves. A locking picking lawyer. _'Umm yes I am technically breaking into your property but do you know that we got a click out of number 4, and your lock does not comply with title 49 section 5040 1c. Now the cops are on their way to arrest you for your federal offense and I will fly away with my law expertise'_
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The perfect synthesis of lawyer and lockpicker.
Finally that law degree pays off...
LPL: "I've been waiting my whole TH-cam career for this."
@@wewd like for real? he's an actual lawyer?
@@0cs025 He was a lawyer he is currently not practicing
haha
Hey look, we made a lock so secure even the right key cannot open it.
And it's also pick proof, because our hinges are exposed and you need not bother with anything else.
@@arletottens6349 Big brain energy.
what if this was designed on purpose so the "only the passenger can open it" part was taken care of :o
200 iq move "lol everyone will think we made a mistake but we're 4 dimensions ahead of you"
@@pvic6959 That would be great, but I think the unsecured hinge pins points to the opposite conclusion.
pvic Also TSA will break it open/seize it if they want to anyway.
TSA: "Your key looks suspiciously like a pair of pliers."
Yes, but only I have the pliers. That makes it legal.
Your guncase looks suspiciously like a childrens lunch box
@@ersetzbar. But I wrapped it with duct tape. LPL's mortal enemy.
Me in response to TSA: “Your pliers look suspiciously like keys”
That muffin is looking awfully like a hamster
"4 minutes on picking a lock, Must be a real tight loc-"
LPL: "title 49 of the code of federal regulations section 1540.111 c2"
well, he is a lawyer after all :D
This comment got me rolling
@@minidreschi2 Casually reminding us like a boss
This is so bad it almost seems like it was intentionally designed to comply with the law and troll TSA in the process!
Malicious compliance
We know you want to have a look, but you're not allowed... It should be modified to have a switch activated by a counterclockwise turn playing a soundbite of LPL stating Title 49
Also, 0:28 “TSA Approved” so fk knows what their approval process is?!
@@Bobblyben1, approval is over the phone.
LOCK COMPANY: "We have a new lock box for travel."
TSA: "Did you put a TSA lock on it?"
LOCK COMPANY: "Yep, sure did." 🤞😏👍
TSA: "Ok, good to go."
That's what I was thinking, actually. It seems like they wanted it to comply with the TSA while still being legal, so they made a TSA keyhole but the key doesn't work. The entire lock seems like it was perfectly designed to satisfy everyone's needs.
Or it was just a massive design flaw. Idk.
When your failure is so massive it stack underflows into a win.
Never seen stack underflow before, what kind of nonsense would you need for that? Other than handwritten ASM or some crappy old redundant programming language, of course.
Truly the Ghandi of lock boxes
@@berylliosis5250 when you deal with uCs, current production 40 year old architectures are not uncommon.
Yeah, but there's the part about the hinge.
@@deepspacelazarus7207 our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS
Spend 10 minutes with my engineering classmates and it will be readily apparent how that box made it through design.
Hahaha true! It was probably a senior project /company coop and the company just said "fuck it, send it to market"
@@YourUncle8501 Exactly, I'll bet the $20 in my back pocket an intern was on the design team.
@@steele_heart77 fax😭
@@YourUncle8501 it wasn't a senior project, that would get a fail. I can definitely imagine a coop though.
As an engineering student... fair.
"This case is illegal."
"That's bad."
"But it has a design flaw that renders it legal."
"That's good."
"But it also has another design flaw that renders it illegal."
"I quit."
But it does contain potassium benzoate so that's something.
If this was a simpsons TOH reference, then well done!
But the case comes with a free frogurt
Hey, the law just says it has to be in a locked, hard case that only you have the key to. It doesn't say anything about it not being possible to physically dismantle the box in five seconds...
basically every law out there lol
Maybe this lock design is genius?
Have a TSA lock so TSA agents don't throw a fit, but make the TSA lock inoperable so it still complies with Federal law.
These guys found a loophole!
All of that is irrelevant when the real master key is a pair of pliers
Apophis checked baggage . . . Not carry-on.
Gun safes aren't supposed to have a TSA lock. That's specifically for security - so you can't have a confederate on the inside who uses their TSA key to open your gun safe inside the security checkpoint and hands you your gun, thus enabling you to walk through security unarmed but board a plane armed.
This is sometimes used by people traveling with expensive gear they don't want stolen - there's no regulation that a gun safe can't have other stuff in it as well. So they buy a gun safe designed for a long gun, put a flare gun or starter's pistol in one corner (which are considered guns for airline safety purposes but not under other laws), and then fill the safe with their expensive telescope or musical instrument or whatever.
@@muppetist um. what about having two keys to a single lock...
@@muppetist you don't need someone on the inside, tsa keys come with TSA locks
"A true comedy of errors and certainly not something that you should rely upon"
The TSA or this gun case?
Yes
Speaking of the TSA and comedy:
th-cam.com/video/YQJ7E140-SQ/w-d-xo.html
@@mvmlego1212 The sad part is how true it is
Both.
yes
"mission failed successfully"
Surely there's a classic video game reference for this - there MUST be
@@RyTrapp0 the original is "task failed successfully", an error box for some windows program
Fission Mailed
Mission successful, We’ll get em next time
mission failed | respect+
Love seeing LPL throw the book at the designs he showcases. Incidentally, throwing a book at it is probably a valid technique to bypass this lock.
“Uh... hey guys we screwed up. We can’t have a master key that’s illegal.”
“Nah man the master key doesn’t work.”
“Understandable have a great day.”
Why are you everywhere I go
Understandable have a great day
@@chsameer2794 username checks out
I mean if this was on purpose to make sure it cant be picked open thenn
and for some reason nobody at all: "then why put the lock on there?"
It's a totally pick-proof design, didn't know that was even possible ha
I mean, yeah, it can't be picked
it can be easily taken apart, but not picked
S theking it can be picked too
@@cclphdfu I'm certain the code wheels are trivial to decode if not bypass..
@@WrightWorld Yeah. That's why he didn't even bother to do it. But that's bypassing, not picking.
imaging someone picking it for days xD
LPL: “a fatal flaw that makes it legal”
Software Developers: “it’s a feature not a bug”
I worked on a project where some bugs got out to the field, customers liked the thing and asked that it remain.
Dale Zapple
Are you able to share any about the project and the flaw?
Yes, please spill the beans if possible - this stuff is positively fascinating!
Bug is just undocumented feature ;) I've been developer for 36 years, so I know for sure...
*Bethesda
"It's not a bug, we call it an unintended feature"
"is it a bug or a feature?"
"Y E S"
Oh hello Bethesda, didn’t expect you to make locks!
It`s a surprise feature.
[Lockpick: 100]
You just dug your hole deeper, because now you look like a bad nonchalant lier as well as incompetent.
The line is "It's not a bug, its an *undocumented* feature"
Might as well use a ZipLoc bag with "Locked" written on it in sharpie.
You'll have to duct tape some solid pieces to fulfill the hard side requirement.
😂😂😂😂
I've always wondered how long you could get away with just putting a tsa lock on the outside that doesn't actually do anything
Allen Lark just for the jokes one time I put a lock on a rope and made the rope look like a bike lock, never got stolen lmfao
So let me get this straight, this item would have been designed and built tested, then sent to TSA offices for approval, and not a single person tested the lock to see if the key works? That's a multiple layer of incompetancy that is so crazy that it's actually quite impressive.
The flip side is that they were going to fail it, but then tried the lock and saw that it actually adhered to the regulations and passed it as jokes.
You misspelled corruption.
TSA doesn't actually approve the products. Having TSA approval means their master key will work on the lock.
Reminds me of a time I was working on the floor with a quality control guy. He had to inspect and test every aspect of the product with a long list of defined controls.
Except for one: a squeaky cover. Nothing in any of his documents had a control against a squeaky cover. So he had to pass the product, with the squeaky door.
I doubt it would have to be sent to the TSA to get approval just built to a set of specifications (which it failed to do), any lock can be TSA compliant as long as it is openable with one of the TSA keys and has which key opens it permanently marked on it
It's basically a Tupperware pan with a painted-on lock.
Have you ever tried opening some older tupperwares that have those clips? It's hard man, harder than this lock, for sure.
Soraya Imperial especially those airtight ones
I don't know, that "design flaw" looks like it was intentional for the reasons you described. It's legally valid by federal law and the TSA can't fuck with it. The hinge pins OTOH are actually legitimately bad.
But the law doesn’t mention hinge pins so it’s legal but not secure. What a world we live in…
There is the distinct possibility that it isn't for monetary reasons but for financial ones. That lock with the TSA key is probably used in hundreds of other products and thus it was cheaper to simply disable the TSA key bit than to design an entirely new one. Even replacing the core with a non-TSA one or designing an entirely new knob would probably cut too much into the profit margins for such a cheap design.
If making sure the TSA can't fuck with it was their intention, couldn't they have just not put the TSA lock on there at all?
@@naphackDT no, the TSA lock would be more expensive than without it regardless of how many they manufacture.
@@matthewklahn7523 Sure, if the the TSA lock wasn't already built into, and partly used by, the combination lock.
When you finally realise the lawyer part in his name
I don’t get it
RuffyRuf, He’s pointing out the fact that LPL dished out all this legality talk, just like a lawyer.
Donkey Fish lmao both are correct dude
@Donkey Fish when u finally figure out u are an idiot
@Donkey Fish UK spelling dude!
Oh right he's an actual lawyer - the "illegal" is not bs clickbait
I don't think he's a lock lawyer, and it is clickbait.
@@garymitchell5899 He is a member of the bar, and also makes videos on lockpicking; thus he is a lawyer, and also a lockpicking enthusiast. Also in the video, he explains how it's almost illegal, with a citation to a US law code, making it not clickbait. He is a non-clickbaiting, lockpicking lawyer
@@garymitchell5899 I mean, you didn't really think the "lawyer" part of his channel name was just a joke or something, did you?
Have you not heard how this guy speaks? Just imagine that voice in a court room - he was born for the work!
Who said he wasn't a lawyer?
He claims that the design flaw makes it legal. The design flaw is the hinges - the law relates to the lock. It is total clickbait.
@@garymitchell5899 you forgot the design flaw that the TSA key wont work, thus making it compliant with the "and only the passengers retains the key/combination" part of the law
This is officially less secure than my grandma's lunch box
Your grandma lunchbox had combination lock and keyhole ?
"This is officially less secure than my grandma's lunch box"
Does your grandma's lunch box get entered frequently then? ;)
Was that a euphemism?
@@walterjames9804 This lockbox effectively doesn't, which is their point
Ye
"So then with the TSA master key" *pulls out TSA master key*
Me: "Wait, that's illegal"
Anyone in the luggage industry more then 20 years had all those keys already. They took a keyring of existing keys and said "Use these ones or else."
You're telling a lawyer what's illegal?
@@Sillimant_ tf is the point of a key if u can 3d print it
@@AlexM-xj7qd what’s the point in a key that can’t open its lock?
@@Sillimant_ holy shit, woah. I wonder if anyone has successfully used a 3d printed key on a serious lock. That's so cool
"made legal by a design flaw"
Never thought I would see the day...
“Only the passenger has the key or combination.”
That’s a clever way of avoiding saying that the box needs to be secure.
If only the word "secure" was used, some smartass would probably argue about the definition
Actually that and secure are 2 different things. You could in theory have a secure box but tell everyone you know the combination or make them a key copy., it would still be secure as in the people authorized may get in, others not. But law says only you
theGhostWolfe, no, the CFR is very clear on who retains access to the contents to a locked firearms storage container. It ain't the TSA.
I've had TSA cut both padlocks off of my rifle case. Even though my contact information was displayed in the case and a copy of the CFR is laminated and affixed to the case, they cut the locks and replaced them with two TSA approved padlocks, which I did find until I arrived at my destination. The problem was that I didn't have the keys. I filed a complaint to which TSA claimed that the information on their website was law.
After that experience, I modified the case so that the padlocks went from a lock with a hasp to a Medeco puck lock enclosing a 17-7 stainless steel hasp.
@@gungadinn did you bring charges against the entire TSA staff at your departure airport?
Scott Kenny
I couldn’t get the local police to even take a report.
The TSA supervisor was as thick as a concrete block. I stated that the TSA website was wrong, that the CFR was the law and that they needed to understand that policy isn’t law.
I contacted my Congressman that spoke with the TSA and allegedly it was being corrected. Nothing has changed.
I’ve added a gps tracker and an audible alarm to the case, plus the new locks and custom fabricated hasps.
"In any case..."
Hopefully not in this particular case.
Criminally underrated comment. :)
@@kirstinmorrell Do I need a lawyer? ;)
Pun unintended 🤣
@@kirstinmorrell For the criminals: hopefully in this case.
LPL: "I've been talking for a little bit too long"
Dude, I will do anything to keep hearing that calming voice of yours.
Anything? Even you know...?
jose almeida... like buying a master lock to safe your money?
jose almeida no..please no !! Everything but not preparing peanut butter sandwiches for Masterlock CEO (´༎ຶོρ༎ຶོ`) !!!
The trick is to send him a lock that he can't get open in < 5 minutes
"Compliance with TSA rules, and not for ACTUAL security"
Ouch :D
I mean even if you literally obey the law and put your own padlocks on your gun case, the TSA just come along with bolt cutters and cut them off then replace them with TSA openable ones. Which it seems is not something the TSA should ever do.
There's a long video on TH-cam where this actually happened to a guy and he deliberately missed his flight in order to a) film this entire interaction and b) complain to higher ups in the airport that what they did broke the law.
@@CoolSteve08 That was Deviant Ollam. An awesome dude.
Sounds like the definition if the TSA itself.
Lawyer has been my inspiration to start lockpicking
Yesterday i screamed in exitement along with a family when i opened a door
A lock picker has been my inspiration for becomming a lawyer.
I was first thinking that he did research a lot about law, then I remembered his name.
Lawyers do need research, especially in such countries as USA
@@mikoajp.5890 but Lawyers know where to search and thus have it easier. A non-professional would've taken more time to get valuable information.
@@rioghander2te Yep, one does not necessarily need to know everything about a subject, as long as one knows where to find everything about a subject..
This is information that anyone can find by googling something as simple and incoherent as "TSA gun," and clicking the very first link that pops up.
"I've been talking for too long" 3 minutes into a video. I appreciate being short and to the point unlike most TH-camrs who won't post a video shorter than 10 minutes long.
Yeah padding the runtime for ads irritates me. I've watched a few videos lately that were 8 minutes of content and 2 minutes, 5 seconds of end-card just to get over the limit.
Michiel van Erven TH-cam allows the user to adjust playback speed, slowing down those that speak too fast (and speed up the vast majority that speak too slow).
LOL! So the TSA key lock serves no real security function and is only for "show," much like TSA "security theater" checkpoints.
Its all security theatre. All of it. Physical, Cyber, Police, it's all make believe. The world is DIY, everyone needs to get used to that.
I'm sure the actual TSA requirement is simply "it needs to not actually be secure".
@@dww34 u good bro
“Wow 4 minute video! This lock must be pretty good”....
The first 3 minutes is just LPL roasting the lock
"I have no idea how something like this got through the testing process."
I do. It wasn't tested. Who ever was handing it off said "It didn't fail testing" which is technically true.
Personally, I'm guessing it was tested, they found the flaws, and told people it would need to be re-designed. Then some higher up said "We already got TSA approval on this design though, and if we re-design, we'll need them to re-approve, which is too much trouble. Ship it."
_It can't fail a test if there wasn't any to begin with_
@@jastur3645 I bet they designed it so the tsa lock would open, started producing them found out they weren't compliant with the feds and just changed the receiving slot to allow it to comply without much effort on their part.
Honestly, even though it's obvious they screwed up....if this actually was intentional, then it wouldn't be inexcusable, because it would be a genius case of malicious compliance. I mean it's got a TSA approved lock in it, yet it still complies with title 49 to not be illegal.
I'm honestly surprised fewer people aren't mentioning this. To me it seems that the way the title is written maybe most gunsafes aren't technically legal since not only the passenger has the key (all the TSA agents also have the key, therefore it is illegal?)
It honestly sounds like it is in practice almost always illegal to travel with a firearm since you need the TSA to have a key, but you cannot travel if not only you possess it. So they let you travel with one if you're compliant, but it sounds like they basically reserve the right to either say you need a TSA master key to access this case or you can't fly, OR, since a TSA master key can access it, its technically illegal. They can tell you that you aren't complying with one or the other requirements that are almost mutually exclusive.
This case however seems to have found a way around that as it is TSA compliant (says so right on the box) but only the passenger can access it with their own key or the code (making it comply with title 49). And to be honest when it comes to gun cases I really don't think people should be as concerned with how easy they are to unlock or bypass, the lock box isn't really to prevent theft but just to secure a firearm. And if someone is trying to get to your firearm by means of pliers or lockpicking equipment, the gun case isn't really designed to deal with that. More for keeping out toddlers or preventing misfires.
All in all this gun case looks absolutely genius.
@@eewweeppkk Man, you could grab that firearm with a tooth pick and your hands, any pointy thing would do the job, after you move the pins you could grab it with your hands, literally awful design.
@@eewweeppkk AIUI the TSA lock isn't a legal requirement, they'll just break into any other luggage that is selected for inspection and won't pay for a replacement of any damaged locks or luggage.
@@jacobmartinez4031 (stamps on plastic box) (takes out content of plastic box) no tooth pick needed.
@@jacobmartinez4031 Well that depends on the usage of the case. If you only use it for travelling by air in the US the gun mustn't be loaded or it's illegal. So even if someone steals the gun they couldn't kill anyone or at least they would have a harder time doing so...
As someone who works in the plastics industry, this may have been the solution when the lawyers said we cannot have the tsa key working. Small shifts like that are many times the cheapest way to resolve the issue at hand.
Heard a story about Someone who was standing at the TSA booth with a compliant gun case locked with a secure padlock holding the keys waiting to hand them to the agent who proceeds to cut the lock off and berate the passenger for not using a TSA lock
Anom Amos there are multiple TH-cam vids documenting exactly that type of TSA encounter.
Yeah I saw Deviants video too!
@@jpe1 One guy would travel for competitions with really expensive and safe locks on his cases, and started suing the TSA for replacement costs.
I have never once had a TSA agent inspect one of my firearms. Ever time it's just been the airlines check in agent. And then I'm told IF the TSA wants to take a look they will.come get me. Never has happened.
@@im2geek4u
Only time I had a TSA inspect one of my firearms was at the Denver airport and it was after they X-rayed the case and saw it was an MP5 that I had in the case. I think they just wanted to look at it more than anything.
Me: Yeah that's pretty bad.
LPL flips it over
Me: Oh God...
LOL: it’s would be illegal if it wasn’t for this flaw
The designer: happy accidents
When Bob Ross's descendants end up in the wrong field of work...
@@RyTrapp0 But really if it was made by A Bob Ross descendant....it would only be able to carry bushmaster brand guns😂
Oof.
"TSA approved" literally shows how good they are at their job...
There are several publicly viewable penetration tests done that show TSA is quite poor at their actual mission. They do however excel at giving me a hard time when I travel.
Oh so that's what the "Lawyer" part means.. I get it now.
Is the key flaw actually designed as intended? What does TSA regulation require? Does the lock actually need to work or do they just need to "work". Seems like an ingenious way to fulfill both Federal and TSA requirements. Since the key "works", it operates the locking mechanism. But it doesn't actually work to unlock the box, hence fulfilling Federal requirement
That's what I was thinking. The flaw seems so obvious, it might actually be intended. If that's the case it's actually not a bad design, if you ignore the hinge of course
No, there shouldn't be a TSA lock on a hard case carrying a firearm, at all. A guy actually talked at a panel about how he uses that to transport everything he carries in locked steel cases to prevent theft. Since each case contains a firearm only he can open them, and there were occasions where he got through faster because he had firearms in there (separate line). He talked about a few things I don't remember exactly, some edge cases, what to say to idiots etc. Also to check the rules for where you fly and keep up to date with the federal laws.
And the the TSA agent can ask the passenger "oh looks like there is something wrong with the key can you open it up for me?" Which the passenger then opens it up with the combo...
Imperial Knight, you do realize that the Transportation Safety Administration is a Federal Agency under the Department of Homeland Security, right? Essentially, you said that this gun case fulfills both Federal and Federal requirements . . . .
@@tortex1 That sounds like Deviant Ollam. The only problem is that apparently the TSA keep breaking into his cases by cutting off his locks to inspect them and then "securing" them with TSA luggage locks or even zip ties!
To be fair this was not designed to deter theft, it was designed to comply with bureaucracy.
Are you hired by TH-cam to repeat what's said in the video in the comments? You deserve a raise.
@@jordanbomb32 Are you having a bad day? Boss yell at you? Mom keeps screaming down the basement stairs at you? Get your ass kicked playing your little games? Well guess what scooter, you are a fail as a troll as well!
@@tinknal6449 nah dude. He explicitly says what it is for multiple times. And you say what it's for. You wanted to be noticed for repeating the video. Maybe it's my autism and retardation... But I need to know why you had to repeat the video in the comments
@@jordanbomb32 Oh, so you're just pedantic. Got it!
@Valmora Ah look, another one! You couldn't trigger me with an atomic bomb sweetie but nice try!
"SnapSafe" - I guess the snap-part refers to the fact how easy it is to take the hinges off.
Which is usually what they do anyway. If they want in your locked case, those damn hinges are right there. They aren't going to try opening the lock if they don't have the key
Either that or what happens to the plastic when dropped.
I have to get this box and leave it out just so when people ask about it I can say, " Well do you know about Title 49 Code of the Federal Regulations sec 1540.11C2 ?... "
" I thought not. It's not a story the TSA would tell you. It's a legal legend."
@@GregDickinson75 "Is it possible to learn this lock?"
"Not from a TSA agent…."
I automatically assume any lock is bad if it says "For TSA"
Usually they says "TSA Approved" instead. :P
Because TSA require insecure lock to be used so they can open it ?
If they want to look in my bag they have to come and ask me first. That should be the standart no matter what. I always wrap my suitcase when traveling. Then its easy to see if its been open or not.
@@kyanhluong TSA doesn't lockpick the locks. They have keys. They can open it no matter how sturdy the lock box is
Remember the Clipper Chip?
What I love about LPL, is that every sense of emotion and expression has to be perceived through his voice and hands. In this case, at 3:45 you can see in his hands the disappointment with the product, by the way he pulls them up and grabs the box. He marries his hand gestures with his statement "okay folks" and the inflection in his voice essentially says "There's really nothing more to say about this piece of junk"
this takes the expression "it's not a bug, it's a feature" to a while new level.
Our government is very efficient in writing loopholes in everything they govern.
@@allan-mccombs Same here.
I live in The Netherlands, and we *love* exceptions on exceptions... which leaves it very open for loopholes :)
"If all it's meant for is compliance with TSA rules, and not actual security [...]"
This one sentence really says everything you need to know about the "security" TSA rules provide.
TSA has never prevented any attack since it's inception.
@@matthewklahn7523 that's impossible to know, the TSA could very well act as a deterrent to prevent attacks, even if they couldn't do anything if someone actually tried
@@jonathantadlock-stein2023,
Bullshit! They have never stopped an attack or hijacking ever! If they had we’d never hear the end of it. They have caught a few accidental forgotten prohibited items. And the ridicules items they prohibit! You can take your illegal and unconstitutional TSA and shove them up your ass! No weapon of mine has ever or will ever be used by me to commit a crime. If every passenger had a gun no plane would ever be hijacked! At least not for long, lol! With all due respect, go to hell sir!
@@evelbill1439 dude, calm down, I never said the TSA was worth the tax dollars, or that they actually do their job, all I’m saying is that there has to be at least one person who thought of hijacking a plane, but decided against it because of the TSA. Again, I’m not saying the TSA is the best thing ever to happen to mankind, I’m just playing devils advocate.
@@evelbill1439 I'm too poor to own a gun, but I earnestly want to believe that the crime rate would tank if even a significant percentage of citizens had a basic handgun and firearm safety training since any location with multiple people goes from "plentiful hostages" to "plentiful threats". That's "want to" believe because there is a concerning percentage of individuals who, through mental illness, entitlement, or whatever cognitive inhibitor, would feel perfectly justified shooting someone who mildly inconvenienced them.
The Company who made this is like: WTF is a testing process?
That's when you Email Mark a picture of the product, and he texts back "looks good to me" TESTING COMPLETE!
China isn't very keen on spending money to test the products they make in their slave factories.
that moment a lock case opens by the sheer volume of lawyering at it
As soon as you flipped it over, and I saw the hinge, I actually groaned out loud.
Plot twist : The Master key was meant to detached the hinges .
TSA agents love this trick
LPL: "This is a comedy of errors."
TSA: "Approved!"
"Oh hey this video's pretty long. Must be a weird but good lock"
*picking lasts about 8 seconds, acheiveable by almost any tool *
oh.
'This product is a true comedy of error'
- LPL 2020
Quite possibly his sickest burn yet!
Plastic container make me question their intelligence
key "design" prove me right
but the expose hinge destroys me
My theory on how this got through: there was never any chance that it wouldn't. I once overheard a couple of contractors tlaking, and one said, "When they ask for feedback, they only want positive feedback, if you give them negative feedback they just don't hear it." So often true...
I demand to see at least one video where you pick the lock on a little girl's diary. Or pretend that it's impossible in order to discourage a mischievous brother.
Well, I can only speak for myself as a mischievous brother, but, at least some 25 years ago, you cold brute force them with just about anything you had on hand and more often than not they still closed after.
And here I was thinking my fetish was weird. Have you tried Pornhub?
@@bdf2718 can't Imagine I'm the only brother that did things like that for no other reason than to get a rise out of my sisters.
Jon Gustavsson
LPL should develop and sell a diary (or a line of them) that is highly resistant to mischievous brothers.
you win the intawebs
Looks like my ziploc bag holds up pretty well to this
Too funny..I literally lol'd
"... Compliance with TSA rules and not actual security" I think that was a burn directed at the TSA
I had a engineering test that had a question where the same thing happened with its solvability. This brings back a lot of good memories. Thank you!
it's just like the TSA itself: all theater, no real security
The moment when you realize that there's a combination lock that's probably easy to pick, and yet there's an even easier bypass that doesn't involve spoons or drink cans or twigs
Deviant Ollam has a whole video on flying with declared firearms: "Packing and the Friendly Skies". TSA locks do not belong on the case, they shouldn't even be able to open it without you present. If they do, they are breaking all sorts of firearms laws.
I've had TSA agents demand my key, so they could inspect my case, but I want allowed to be present. I tried to tell him that was illegal, but he was not listening. My option was to comply, or be unable to fly home.
Shoot another tsa agent.
In court they can't prove it was you, if they had independent access, and co-worker rivalry is as good a motive as any. And it would not be long before their policies were changed.
But first...you need a lock box that actually works.
Lost Alone I agree, it’s very important to read up on the relevant laws so you can quote them or search them up when you need to. I did that for my pocket knife to make sure it and my balisongs (butterfly knives) were compliant, which they are. If I for once in a blue moon decide to carry a balisong and use it in public for something, one of two things happen: 1) “Oh cool! Can I play with it?”,to which I say, “Hell no, I’m not gonna have you slice up your hand,” or 2) “Aren’t those illegal?”, to which I can cite the state statutes surrounding knife legality to show my knife is compliant.
@@cymond You had another option, which I hope you took, and that is to note down their name, the location and time and report this to federal authorities.
TSA clowns are very rarely capable of reading and breating at the same time anyway, it is a dead end hob for those unfit to be crossing guards at the local school.
1:48
Oh yeah, he's a lawyer
I also love how we gloss over the fact it's made of plastic. Some people would try to pick the tsa lock or crack the combo. Some might attack the hinge pins. But my first thought is "place on ground. Doom e1m1 plays. Pummel"
I've built more secure boxes out of LEGO when I was a kid.
tfw most lego sets nowadays come with lego-picks because they're just that hard to get apart sometimes
"This box's worst weakness."
Me: "How can it get worse than a TSA lock on a plastic body?"
box: exposed hinge
Me: ...
TBH, you could probably chuck it at a wall and it would pop open, if not shatter on impact. Taking out the clip and putting the gun on “safety” is honestly more secure than using this safe.
Who would of ever thought that after 60 years on planet earth in would love watching a lawyer picking locks! Damn it, the best part is my wife actually enjoys watching also! Go figure? Thank you and keep up the good work!
I called Hornady this morning and they said they had already seen the video. I spent about 15 minutes on the phone with the technical guy and he didn't seem very concerned about these flaws. He said it was tsa-approved and that's What mattered and also that you had to have a very sharp object to push that hinge pin out and people wouldn't likely be carrying one of those. Looks like Hornady is not really concerned with people illegally getting ahold of your firearms just their pocketbook.
Someone prepared to steal a gun out of a lockbox wouldn't have, for example, a knife? What a wierd world they inhabit..
@@TonyHoyle but how would you get the knife past the TSA?
@@CouchPotator We are talking about behind-the-scenes baggage and TSA employees accessing the Box
It’s plastic. I’m sure a brute force attack would break it open in no time.
@@OUSWKR it's not about how easy it is to break. It's about someone working for the airlines being able to access the contents without leaving visible damage to be found before you get it back at your final destination.
LPL Search history
"Most Advanced Secure Toughest Locks"
"Anything TSA related"
Just realized when he says “In any case” to sum up his videos it’s a subtle flex. He can get inside any case 😳
This combination lock got a mean combination of jabs, punches and uppercuts in under 5 minutes.
It is stunning to see, how some companies apparently do not care at all about their product.
445 likes and 1 dislike, wow
Proof that everyone in the world loves LPL except Snapsafe
I always wondered about downvotes as well, until I realized people might use those as a way to train algorithms to stop suggesting videos that aren’t of interest?
And MasterLock.
Matthew Lammers realising that big data dominates whats being shown to us, thats not a bad idea at all
Imagine making a safe that fails so spectacularly, it actually passes
Masterlock: "Finally, a worthy opponent.... Our battle will be *Legendary* "
“Egregious” is the closest you’ll hear the LPL swear.
Nah masterlock is better than this
New from Snap Safe: 100% unpickable lock. The second you attach it to whatever you’re locking up, the mechanism breaks and the lock gets permanently jammed shut. You can’t pick it open if it can’t even open in the first place
It can't be jammed if its liquid . . .
I regularly forget that LPL is, in fact, an actual lawyer, and then I come across a video like this lmao
SnapSafe: Keeping the TSA out since 2009.
Brought to you by the company that made the plastic freezer bag with built in padlock grommet
Is that... is that real? I can't even tell anymore.
And then someone from TSA tries to open it, fails, breaks the box to check the contents and then confiscates the gun because it no longer is in a secure case.
Thanks to your information from this video I kept an unsuspecting customer at my work from buying one of these and helped her find a better case! Thanks LPL
As soon as I saw the TSA lock, I knew! LMFAO.
Oh, sweet Jesus, exposed hinge. WTF.
I'll never understand why anyone designing something hinged that's meant to be secure would leave the hinge pins on the outside. It's like installing a vault door in a plywood wall.
Weirdly, if you want to legally travel with a gun, you need to buy the keylock/non-TSA version of the Lock Box, it's also cheaper!
The ease of entry is also great for people like me who forget codes or lose keys :)
Honestly that might have been intentional. The TSA wants access to everything, but doesn’t check anything and their “rules” aren’t backed up by the law here. Illusions of access for the security illusion people and legal compliance for everything else.
Maybe I’m giving them too much credit, considering they didn’t put much thought into the rest of the box, but then again they clearly weren’t spending their dev money on the box design...
removing the hingepins is only so effective in accessing the contents within because of how flexible the case is. I don't think you could purposely create a worse design
I beg to differ.
possibilities to make it worse:
- use cardboard as a material.
-leave a gunshaped, gunsized hole at the bottom.
-do not connect the part the lock locks into with the body
-ad a knob at the end of each hingepin to allow toolless removal.
"let that sink in"
Why would I? I don't know if that sink has committed acts of felony.
dude just let him in
I wonder if the intent was that TSA can LOCK the case without knowing the combination. If required to open, you can set the combination, open and then clear the combination. But the hinge still sucks.
"PLiers" as if I couldn't just grab that with my fingers
Pliers are still pretty neat to have..
This video doesn't even mention the most dangerous thing. You can easily reinstall the hinges back in. That way you can easily take anything that was in the safe (or even put something in) and there wouldn't be any indication that the box has been opened.
@@jukka-pekkatuominen4540 The point is that you don't need pliers to get in the box. If you find that box in the overhead compartment during a flight and manage to move the pins out one cm you can grab them with your fingers.
@@Engineer9736 They aren't allowed in the passenger compartment. Firearms are only allowed in *checked* baggage, that which ends up in the cargo hold separate from the passengers.
after 3 minutes "I've been talking a bit too long"
every other TH-camr: 10 minutes AT LEAST of nonsense content
Most youtubers = same intro "we're gonna do this thing in a lengthy explsination" but repeated 3 times because youtubers are bad at scripts!
@@Stettafire Sounds like I'm watching the right youtubers then. I never get any of that. :D
Many years ago I was at a collage graduation in California. The governor himownself came to give the address. After ten minutes he said, "So to conclude this speech..." and then he talked on. At the twenty minute mark he said, "The final point of this speech..." and then again at the half hour mark he said, "I know you are all sitting in the hot sun, so I'll keep this brief..." and at the forty five minute mark he said, "So that's all I have to say. And also...." he made it to the hour mark before he ended his rambling remarks, having trolled the audience mercilessly.
Three minutes? Bless you!
‘If all it’s used for is compliance with TSA rules and not ACTUAL security’ ouch.
I would imagine that after they had the locks on hand they realized the issue about only the passenger should have access, cheapest solution, offset the receiver. not a design flaw as much as a half arsed fix.
I absolutely love this channel and highly respect you for your abilities and honesty.
Could you possibly craft a list of locks you highly recommend and for each particular category?
I would like to have my items secure but I usually just buy “packaging” since I don’t know any different. I am not a lock expert by any stretch but would really like my items secure. Home Safes, firearm safes, travel locks, bike locks, standard all purpose locks (like master locks), motorcycle disc locks etc...
Funny enough just started looking for my first firearm. Noticed this box on the shelf and picked it up. Something looked familiar about it. Searched youtube and I KNEW it was familiar hahah from THIS video I saw a year ago. Thank you so much for helping me avoid this mess.
I saw this on amazon for firearm transportation. Glad I went with a Pelican case
Pelican cases are fantastic. I've never been done wrong with one before.
"A Comedy Of Errors" - I like this, really describes my life
When you're so bad at being bad that you end up being good. But you're also so bad at being bad that you really are actually very bad!
this man never fail to amaze me with his ridiculously wide array of powerful resolves. A locking picking lawyer. _'Umm yes I am technically breaking into your property but do you know that we got a click out of number 4, and your lock does not comply with title 49 section 5040 1c. Now the cops are on their way to arrest you for your federal offense and I will fly away with my law expertise'_
even just a low power torch to the plastic hinges will make it give real quick..