@@rustler08 That's not really how significant digits work. They represent the accuracy of a measurement, which could be 5 digits for all we know, so 0.069438 FPS, for example, which still outputs to 0.07 FPS.
IDK what antidepressants you're familiar with but I take buproprion which is a substituted cathinone. Makes me faster, not slower, lol. Might as well be taking Ritalin.
That is literally why it was added to Zen 4. AMD has the separate APU product line with iGPU that are actually intended for more than just trouble shooting.
It has better graphics than my 5900X and any Intel "F" cpu. Even the marketing AMD guys said it's not for gaming when the 7000 series cpus were launching.
@@frommatorav1Intel said the same thing for years after they stopped bothering to put effort into graphics other than for basic needs. It didnt stop people complaining about the gaming performance during those years and comparing it to amd iGPUs that were meant to be capable of some gaming.
FSR ultra performance at 1080p is 640x360p. FSR performance is 540p. Edit: for some reason TH-cam is hiding my additional comments under this one. I don't know why. Maybe because it's a longer one (?) Trying here instead: for @kyperactive FSR/DLSS are upscalers that take lower resolution image and upscale/upsample it using AI (in case of DLSS and XeSS) to a higher resolution image to make it look like the display resolution you are currently outputting. They use different presets: Ultra performance - 33% render res / 0.33 of display res (in 4K upscaling from 720p; at 1440p upscaling from 475p; at 1080p upscaling from 360p); Performance - 50% render res / 0.5 of display res (at 4K upscaling from 1080p, at 1440p upscaling from 720p; at 1080p upscaling from 540p) Balance - 58% render res / 0.58 of display res (at 4K upscaling from 1252p, at 1440p upscaling from 835p, at 1080p upscaling from 626p) Quality - 67% render res / 0.67 of display res (at 4K upscaling from 1440p, at 1440p upscaling from 960p, at 1080p upscaling from 720p) XeSS messed this all up in the latest 1.3 update. They have Ultra Quality Plus, Ultra Quality, Quality, Balanced, Performance, Ultra performance. You can google the scaling factors - they are different from DLSS and FSR even though they have the same name. 😅 Edit2: oh no, I lost a ❤ from Dawid by editing it. 🥲
For R5 7600X's iGPU defense, it was never meant to be used for any gaming. It's mostly there for troubleshooting, maybe some office work and web browsing. For more demanding tasks we have the "G" models.
True. But my laptop only has the same Radeon 610 iGPU and it’s worse than the older Vega based iGPUs. It’s not often you get worse performance from newer parts.
@@FGV_Gravity Who is to say they don't also donate to the needy? It's their money, they can do anything (legal!) that they want with it. Also the word you were looking for was: Wasting: adjective, Causing waste; also, undergoing waste; diminishing. Waisting: noun, That which goes at the waist (of a person, as on a garment, or of an object). While I am sure Dawid would love a rich waist, I am pretty sure that is not what you mean!
The iGPU in the Ryzen 7000 series desktop CPUs is really only there for basic display output, and an improvement over most Ryzen 5000 series desktop CPUs which lacked any iGPU.
And, tbh, it's been a godsend. I've had to do a little debugging of my 4070, and I was extremely happy the iGPU was there for basic display output at times.
@@woldemunster9244 Not really useless, if your dedicated gpu dies you can still watch TH-cam and work on docs until you get the new gpu or fix your old one. I remember years ago my ATI 5850 died and the integrated gpu in the i5 second gen saved me for a week while I sourced a new gpu.
@@woldemunster9244more useful than you think, if your gpu derps it lets you use your computer and play certain games until you get a replacement. Its strong enough to even do some older games at 60 fps or play some other modern stuff if its like hollowknight esqe or minecraft etc
Something is clearly wrong with your setup. I have the exact same cpu and decided to load counter strike 2 up on the igpu to compare my results to yours. I was getting 3 to 4 times the performance you did at 1080p with all low settings and fsr disabled. And there is absolutely no reason why the GT 710 should EVER outperform that igpu. Something needs troubleshooting.
Agreed, my 3080ti had to be send in for RMA recently and I had to rely on my 7600x's iGPU for a few weeks. I actually got stable 60 fps in dota 2 1440p low, and decent performance on OW2 as well. Im surprised it scored so terribly here.
@@Lurch-BotI don’t think that’s what he’s saying. Dawid answering questions has nothing to do with intelligence. Just curiosity which can be appreciated❤
FSR really does a lot. I was a bit skeptical but one of my rigs with an i3 12100F matched with an RX 6600 (very much a budget build made for couch gaming) runs even modern games far better than I could ever have wished for with FSR on Quality. Especially on my TV where I am not sitting as close to the screen as I do on my main gaming rig upstairs. Been playing through the Last Of Us pc version lately and with FSR 3 on Quality, graphics set to a mix of medium/high and even a few ultra settings I am getting a very steady 75-80fps with peaks reaching 90+fps, the drops being very predictable and only happening when going from cutscene to gameplay. Say what you want about stuff like FSR on the high end of stuff, but when it comes to budget gaming? Life changer.
I've seen video where Ryzen 5 7600x IGPU was pushed to the limit (Bios OC, more voltage and good ram) and it got 60+ FPS in CS2 and you possibly can play like 80% of games just fine
@@n0.nam358 well i just mean that 80% is a biit of a stretch, like sure you can emulate older games and play some Indies but even then there are popular indie games that wont run well
I’m glad Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart is getting some appreciation. People who have never played a Ratchet and Clank game have played Rift Apart. And don’t worry, you aren’t missing out on anything playing the 12th game in the series without playing the original series or the Future stuff or the one off games or the movie game
being able to be beaten by UHD 630 is quite a feat. and we got ourself a champion igpu. because it managed not to end itself while being tortured like that...
It actually has me wondering what the iGPUs in the Alder and Raptor Lake CPUs are capable of. That might actually be neat to look at, Dawid, see what the current iGPU game for Intel is like. I have to imagine it can actually crush things like CS2 and DOTA, especially with sufficient system RAM.
@@SpaceDrake Now do a comparison of the UHD630 to the 8700G graphics. That one is meant to play games at 720 and 1080P. Until a couple months ago, I've been forced to use chips with that igpu on my work computer. The new work computer has low power Alder Lake CPU with better graphics than the UHD630.
Man, you should become a script writer or something. Ive never seen anyone whos using "words as effectively" as you do. BIG respect, keep up the good goofing. ;)
The iGPU on the Ryzen desktop parts is there for troubleshooting, servers and for video decoding codecs. It isn't there for gaming at all. It would work fine in an office PC for example, and is actually really wonderful for all of us who use Ryzen desktop CPUs in servers. Prior to AM5 we had to use APU's only or run some kind of dGPU in a server, which makes no sense.
Dawid, you seem to be running the RAM at 2400 MHz? That would be actually kneecapping the iGPU, no wonder it's that bad! Also, I found several videos on TH-cam showing Horizon Zero Dawn in 1080 low/medium settings on a 7600X,and they show 30-40 FPS, so this result does not make sense...could you elaborate on your settings? Thanks!
I have a 7800X3D using one of these igpus, it does in fact provide a great gaming experience... as a server! Pretty awesome when the bulk of a game server's most-accessed state fits neatly into cache.
Interesting that below a certain threshold, the whole game starts running in slow motion rather than just dropping frames. The opening cutscene from _Horizon_ was probably animated at a fixed framerate to be more "cinematic", but even the gameplay segment in the _Ratchet and Clank_ game was experiencing this. That tells me there's critical non-graphics code that needs to run on the GPU even if there's plenty of excess CPU cycles it could be using instead. Maybe it's one of those games where the physics engine basically controls all movement.
A surprisingly capable little CPU is the 5500u. Nothing too impressive but was able to play plenty of older games in 1440p no problem, no AA of course.
In defence of 7600x its meant to be used at cpu mainly for being paired with a dedicated gpu. Dunno why they even bothered to add a igpu. Maybe so people can use it for normal tasks like content watching or productivity without having to buy a dedicated gpu for display. Since its cheap tbh they likely created it for normal users ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
took me a hot minute to realize you were using the onboard gpu that's basically just there for basic desktop rendering, not used to talking about AMD apu outside of the specific models
I didn’t know the igpu in my 7600x was that gutless but I guess I never considered gaming on it since I have a 3070. Oh well, I only really ever planned on using it to diagnose things if my gpu ever kicks the bucket.
Hey Dawid, I am aware of the games listed with Frame Generation from FSR 3.1, however, Call of Duty MWIII and Naraka Bladepoint both offer it even on Nvidia GPUs and it certainly works; In Warzone at 1440p. I would typically average ~150 FPS on 14700K/3090, with FSR3.1 I am now surpassing my 240 frame cap up to 327FPS, so the intro is slightly inaccurate due to AMD's own publishing.
Im impressed you can find a thing that will run at such low fps without crashing out entirely. The system should force crash it with error message "too low fps you need help if you think this is acceptable"
I don't know how but you set up the iGPU wrong. As I watched the video I thought that the performance was lower than I remembered and now when I'm trying it on iGPU with my R7 7800X3D I'm getting tripple to quadruple performance in Forbidden West with 1080p very low settings. What you are getting with FSR 3.1 is what I have with native non generated resolution.
You set this system up wrong Dawid. RAM @ 2400Mhz. That's for starters. Also clearly you didn't set up your drivers properly because I've seen video of 7000 series iGPU's getting well over 40FPS in ratchet and Clank and many of the other games you tried over 60FPS. This is a really bad video.
I get the same framerate (5) with my 6900XT in CP2077 with all of the Raytraycing+Path enabled without FSR in 4K. With some awful looking FSR i get 10 fps!
Im curious if the fsr results were using microsoft WARP (software rendering) or whatever its called, because of the exact same behaviour/fps count between all the games
Well I didn’t know what you were expecting because the frame generation and so on only really works when you have a good enough frame rate for you to benefit from it. Let’s say it inserts extra frames between the existing one, interpolating the frame between the actual ones. At 4 frames per second you’re only going to get 3 extra frames, it’s simple math. If you want to see a true improvement you need to find a graphics card that pushes around 15-20 fps and suddenly it makes more sense.
Good ol' 2 core AM5 iGPU. It can clock REALLY high at least. Supposedly has a built in voltage curve up to 2700mhz, so most people without tweaking can probably run it 2800mhz or +600. :D
The Radeon Graphics 128SP does have RT cores however. Techpowerup list the iGPU as being similar in performance to a Radeon HD5670. Which I'd believe as having seen how the HD630 handles games by comparison, and having played old games on a HD5650 vs Intel HD4600. Edit: As part of the Rabbit-hole, AMD used Mendocino as the name for the further cut down Radeon 610M (the version found in; Athlon Gold 7220U, Ryzen 3 7320U and Ryzen 5 7520U). Though it still has the RT cores.
FSR Frame gen works extremely well for me, I have a 7yo system with gtx1070 in ghost of tsushima very high 1080p i get 35-40fps, after frame gen its 80-90fps which is huge (I originally had a r5 1600, but just upgraded to 5700x3d)
I built a computer without a graphics card using a 7800X3D processor. The two games I wanted to play were cities: skylines and FACTORIO. Capital FACTORIO worked fine. Cities: skylines required a resolution down sampler. Then it hit about 50 frames per second. Overall, I could use the integrated graphics if I had to. Instead, I spent just as much as the rest of my computer to purchase a 4090.
Hello, I have an issue with my Desktop Dell home computer, Alienware, Windows 7, and I was searching online and came across your channel and found it very helpful, thank you for the information you provide. The issue that I'm having is, that I want to restore my computer to factory settings and it's been going on for about 48 hours at this time and has not changed, it still shows reinstalling your selected system back up, with the little circle still going around. (Where it says progress completion is not even showing the percentage % sign) Thanking you in advance for any help you can give me, Luis
A computer that old will still have a slow spinning harddrive, changing to an SSD will make it much snappier, but is something that old worth putting even that small amount of money into?
That 10th gen i5 is available in my area for 25usd. I've got a Lenovo small form factor desktop with 10700f and it just throttles to heck. Maybe a downgrade is in order. I can make a new build with the i7 using a proper cooler and case for my living room. Don't have space on my desk sadly.
While obviously NOT an dedicated GPU, I feel that modern iGPUs have come a LONG way and do make some modern games (say games that are 2+ years old at least, and maybe some new ones) "playable" but perhaps not at 60 fps, but maybe a borderline 30 fps on low settings. So I mean while not ideal by any means, if your GPU craps out at 1am in the morning, you COULD theoretically use your iGPU in a pinch as it may be able to play some games at a reasonable pace (although not great of a pace and probably not a good idea for online/competitive play, maybe offline single-player games perhaps or games that don't require a GPU technically, or older games, etc). This is why I actually prefer CPUs that have iGPUs built-in which is most of them these days because they can act as a backup, even if you're not gaing, but just as a backup in case your Gpu fails (which I have had happen; which one time happened around the Christmas holiday so getting a replacement GPU meant waiting a few days, which for someone who uses the computer daily - not necessarily for games -- is an eternity). To be honest though, as to your comment about being slower than a GT710 yeah you don't want that, but when you consider an iGPU is somewhat "free" that's not too bad (and your games could be played at say 20 fps although not great, so it is a "bonus" in a way that you have an iGPU). I remember buying processors that didn't have them, and then the GPu craps out and you have to go find something else as you won't be using your computer until you do (this is also why I always kept a PCI video card around with low-profile and regular brackets as a backup in a pinch; couldn't play games but would at least let me use the computer). Of course today these are useless since no PCs have PCI graphics.
It’s not great at that either from my experience, AMD’s encoders are generally doodoo compared to Nvidia’s or especially Intel’s, buying an arc a310 or a350 would be a better idea than counting on an iGPU, or if you edit videos regularly Intel’s quicksync with their iGPUs massively decreases encoding times even with a dGPU, AMD makes good processors, and I’d buy one if you primarily game, and they wouldn’t be bad at all at video editing, but they wouldn’t be as good as an intel processor or GPUs from the other two brands
Yeah, i would rather get cheaper hardware that doesn't have useless "features". This is in the same category as raytracing and NPU's, 95% of buyers will never need them.
Dawid you CAN skip the cut scenes if you press spacebar lmao, the fact that it wouldn't let you just shows how poorly it was running. I only just played this game myself (as have many of us) and yea it's definitely possible. Also yes it definitely is more graphically intensive (and detailed) than the original. Having FSR and DLSS support helps a ton though for sure. Been considering trying FSR frame gen with DLSS on my 2080ti, but it's not needed the way it is on this rig, I lowered the graphics a bit and set the DLSS to quality and it's been running fine without much fidelity loss.
While an interesting idea I'd love to have seen some GPUs that actually ended up playable with the settings on. As a way to see what's the "worst usable" with the feature.
I don't understand the comparison between the selected IGPUs Intel UHD and 7600X, because I know that you know the difference between AMD APUs with the name extension G like a Ryzen 3 2200G (I would understand the comparison to Intel's UHD IGPU) and the IGPUs that AMD uses with the new CPUs as a graphical first aid solution to display the system. So if you test FSR with IGPUs, then please do it with an AMD G APU.
Technically ☝🤓 Ryzen 7000 series "iGPU" is not meant for any workload except desktop environment, it's meant for basic graphics output only. Like 2D graphics adapter card of the old. Which it does well, and some people even manage to use it alongside an actual GPU for driving a secondary display.
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I have an ancient GPU that yields a triple digit FPS in GTA5. 0.07 FPS to be precise.
How do you even measure that
That's still single digit FPS, because you have only a single significant figure.
You got me there
@@rustler08 That's not really how significant digits work. They represent the accuracy of a measurement, which could be 5 digits for all we know, so 0.069438 FPS, for example, which still outputs to 0.07 FPS.
Thats over 14 seconds per frame!
This shit's slower than a snail on antidepressants
IDK what antidepressants you're familiar with but I take buproprion which is a substituted cathinone. Makes me faster, not slower, lol. Might as well be taking Ritalin.
@Lurch-Bot I take zoloft, also known as sertraline, it constantly makes me feel drowsy. As it is one of the known side effects of it.
Or a black man in math class
I'm on venlafaxine, no major side effects for me
i'm on all of them.
i like that they at least included a stinky little igpu. i think that little guy is useful as a diagnostic tool for when the discrete gpu isnt working
@@jordhan1 Oh for sure, I'm glad it's there.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff It will be one day, a collectors relic/item and priceless.
That is literally why it was added to Zen 4.
AMD has the separate APU product line with iGPU that are actually intended for more than just trouble shooting.
It has better graphics than my 5900X and any Intel "F" cpu. Even the marketing AMD guys said it's not for gaming when the 7000 series cpus were launching.
@@frommatorav1Intel said the same thing for years after they stopped bothering to put effort into graphics other than for basic needs. It didnt stop people complaining about the gaming performance during those years and comparing it to amd iGPUs that were meant to be capable of some gaming.
FSR ultra performance at 1080p is 640x360p. FSR performance is 540p.
Edit: for some reason TH-cam is hiding my additional comments under this one. I don't know why. Maybe because it's a longer one (?)
Trying here instead:
for @kyperactive
FSR/DLSS are upscalers that take lower resolution image and upscale/upsample it using AI (in case of DLSS and XeSS) to a higher resolution image to make it look like the display resolution you are currently outputting. They use different presets:
Ultra performance - 33% render res / 0.33 of display res (in 4K upscaling from 720p; at 1440p upscaling from 475p; at 1080p upscaling from 360p);
Performance - 50% render res / 0.5 of display res (at 4K upscaling from 1080p, at 1440p upscaling from 720p; at 1080p upscaling from 540p)
Balance - 58% render res / 0.58 of display res (at 4K upscaling from 1252p, at 1440p upscaling from 835p, at 1080p upscaling from 626p)
Quality - 67% render res / 0.67 of display res (at 4K upscaling from 1440p, at 1440p upscaling from 960p, at 1080p upscaling from 720p)
XeSS messed this all up in the latest 1.3 update. They have Ultra Quality Plus, Ultra Quality, Quality, Balanced, Performance, Ultra performance. You can google the scaling factors - they are different from DLSS and FSR even though they have the same name.
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Edit2: oh no, I lost a ❤ from Dawid by editing it. 🥲
that's very low... almost too low to be true!
Wot... I don't get it..
Im confused... is it 360p or does it run at 640x360?
Make it make sense.
@@AffectionateLocomotive FSR works similar to DLSS, upscales from using a smaller resolution into a bigger one
@@theconcretecat soooo performance of 480p and quality of 1080p?
The last time I was this early, Dawid had short hair and was sponsored by Linooooooooode
Dawid's true sponsor is Vileda Gloves.
The last time I was this early, these comments were still funny.
@@straybricks I miss Linode. 😔
Haha too funny@@JusteazyGames
@@DawidDoesTechStuff So do we, sensei. So do we.
1080p at 1 fps was a big deal back in the 40s
"Hwat's a pixel there, sonny?"
For R5 7600X's iGPU defense, it was never meant to be used for any gaming. It's mostly there for troubleshooting, maybe some office work and web browsing. For more demanding tasks we have the "G" models.
True. But my laptop only has the same Radeon 610 iGPU and it’s worse than the older Vega based iGPUs. It’s not often you get worse performance from newer parts.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 AMD released 2 core, 4 thread CPUs on modern laptops.
So was the UHD 630, and is stll better while also being older.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 yeah the 4500U in my 4yo HP Probook with 7 Vega CUs curbstomps newer Ryzen 5s in the same segment
@@josejuanandrade4439its actually worse performance wise
Haven't watched your channel in a while but you are rocking the long hair. Glad to see the channel i still kicking.
You could've given that money to the needy but waisting it for the rich
@@FGV_Gravity Who is to say they don't also donate to the needy? It's their money, they can do anything (legal!) that they want with it.
Also the word you were looking for was: Wasting:
adjective,
Causing waste; also, undergoing waste; diminishing.
Waisting:
noun,
That which goes at the waist (of a person, as on a garment, or of an object).
While I am sure Dawid would love a rich waist, I am pretty sure that is not what you mean!
@@LukeTheJoker You won't understand My perspective. That's all I can say!
@@FGV_Gravity cope
@@yesdotwmv Thanks! I appreciate the tip and hope you enjoy the videos. 👍
The iGPU in the Ryzen 7000 series desktop CPUs is really only there for basic display output, and an improvement over most Ryzen 5000 series desktop CPUs which lacked any iGPU.
Improvement is in the eye of the beholder. Just like raytracing, i would rather pay less for a product that doesn't have useless features. :D
@@woldemunster9244*Useless features for you
And, tbh, it's been a godsend. I've had to do a little debugging of my 4070, and I was extremely happy the iGPU was there for basic display output at times.
@@woldemunster9244 Not really useless, if your dedicated gpu dies you can still watch TH-cam and work on docs until you get the new gpu or fix your old one.
I remember years ago my ATI 5850 died and the integrated gpu in the i5 second gen saved me for a week while I sourced a new gpu.
@@woldemunster9244more useful than you think, if your gpu derps it lets you use your computer and play certain games until you get a replacement. Its strong enough to even do some older games at 60 fps or play some other modern stuff if its like hollowknight esqe or minecraft etc
That hair flip transition at 1:35 is amazing! Tell the truth, how many takes was that?
babe bring out our finest chicken nuggets and chocolate milk, dawid uploaded a new video
This calls for something extra fancy. Dino nuggies.
The explosive diarrhea special.
I’m actually eating a grilled cheese
and a side of Kraft Dinner, he does live in Canada after all.
@@OrionCV1 Nice! Can I have some?
Something is clearly wrong with your setup. I have the exact same cpu and decided to load counter strike 2 up on the igpu to compare my results to yours. I was getting 3 to 4 times the performance you did at 1080p with all low settings and fsr disabled. And there is absolutely no reason why the GT 710 should EVER outperform that igpu. Something needs troubleshooting.
Agreed, my 3080ti had to be send in for RMA recently and I had to rely on my 7600x's iGPU for a few weeks. I actually got stable 60 fps in dota 2 1440p low, and decent performance on OW2 as well. Im surprised it scored so terribly here.
Imagine having to watch an hour of the horizon slide show just for our entertainment. 😂😂 this man is selfless
I want to see Neko, your cat!
He just upgraded himself into a PowerPoint slide connoisseur
@@AnnaDoes It was tough, but someones got to do it.
I played through prey 2 at 13 frames a second before I got a decent gpu lol
The game itself can be quite a borefest at times, can't imagine how the experience is in such conditions
Who is here in 1956?
You feeling alright?
1800*
😂
I'm right here
@@Lukelovell2 yea, i am ok
I love how Dawid answers the questions I didn't know I had.
I mean, if you can honestly say Dawid is smarter than you, you really shouldn't be bragging about it.
@@Lurch-BotI don’t think that’s what he’s saying. Dawid answering questions has nothing to do with intelligence. Just curiosity which can be appreciated❤
@@lenwitte underated comment
Dawid is the best excuse for rocco's basilisk to be real. The crimes you commit against computers are unspeakable.
i can't believe Dawid and i have the exact same No Man's Sky background! except i'm running it as my chrome theme, not as my actual wallpaper
It's even worse when you realize that the UHD630 has to make due with much slower ram speeds and still being able to beat Amd's IGPU.
Watching some of your videos makes me feel slightly better about using a 1050ti for years now :D Haah... time to upgrade..
Seeing Dawid being tormented by horrendous hardware is really a gem to be hold.
FSR 3 made my GTX 980 4Gb able to run Starfield at 60+ FPS peaking at about 130 FPS(all @ 1080p on a FX-6300). It is freaking awesome.
Vid?
What about a ARC A310? Love to see that one.
Yeah they're basically giving those away in boxes of cereal these days, prime Dawid content material.
Not potato enough. But yeah, I'd watch that, have one in my media box for transcoding.
@@lemagreengreen Nah a box of Cracker Jacks.
@@samiraperi467 The ARC power factor is over 9000 mw. Love the card for cheap low profile single slot Transcoding in AV1.
Damn, I really love the camera work in these new videos.
It always makes me chuckle when Dawid says... "which is very exciting" XD
FSR really does a lot. I was a bit skeptical but one of my rigs with an i3 12100F matched with an RX 6600 (very much a budget build made for couch gaming) runs even modern games far better than I could ever have wished for with FSR on Quality. Especially on my TV where I am not sitting as close to the screen as I do on my main gaming rig upstairs. Been playing through the Last Of Us pc version lately and with FSR 3 on Quality, graphics set to a mix of medium/high and even a few ultra settings I am getting a very steady 75-80fps with peaks reaching 90+fps, the drops being very predictable and only happening when going from cutscene to gameplay. Say what you want about stuff like FSR on the high end of stuff, but when it comes to budget gaming? Life changer.
I've seen video where Ryzen 5 7600x IGPU was pushed to the limit (Bios OC, more voltage and good ram) and it got 60+ FPS in CS2 and you possibly can play like 80% of games just fine
cs2 (and dota 2) are esports titles though so generally they'll perform better than modern singleplayer games like horizon
@@mikeysaurlol yeah, people will definitely buy couple of AAA titles for 20-40 bucks each and try to run it on 2 process unit IGPU. 😁
@@n0.nam358 well i just mean that 80% is a biit of a stretch, like sure you can emulate older games and play some Indies but even then there are popular indie games that wont run well
I’m glad Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart is getting some appreciation. People who have never played a Ratchet and Clank game have played Rift Apart. And don’t worry, you aren’t missing out on anything playing the 12th game in the series without playing the original series or the Future stuff or the one off games or the movie game
being able to be beaten by UHD 630 is quite a feat.
and we got ourself a champion igpu. because it managed not to end itself while being tortured like that...
These Ryzen iGPUs really are just better than nothing, Never thought i would see UHD graphics do better my goodness.
It actually has me wondering what the iGPUs in the Alder and Raptor Lake CPUs are capable of. That might actually be neat to look at, Dawid, see what the current iGPU game for Intel is like. I have to imagine it can actually crush things like CS2 and DOTA, especially with sufficient system RAM.
the iGPUs in the 7000 series are just display outputs for troubleshooting, they're not made to be good for anything else
@SpaceDrake Its a essentially a souped up 630, yea?
@@PixelatedWolf2077 no
@@SpaceDrake Now do a comparison of the UHD630 to the 8700G graphics. That one is meant to play games at 720 and 1080P.
Until a couple months ago, I've been forced to use chips with that igpu on my work computer. The new work computer has low power Alder Lake CPU with better graphics than the UHD630.
“Raw-dogging 1080p” lmaoooo
I really like your No Man's Sky background!!
Man, you should become a script writer or something. Ive never seen anyone whos using "words as effectively" as you do.
BIG respect, keep up the good goofing. ;)
Just got back from a scout camp and I was not expecting a new video. A pleasant surprise!
Your videos are just always pure gold, thanks for making those
The iGPU on the Ryzen desktop parts is there for troubleshooting, servers and for video decoding codecs. It isn't there for gaming at all. It would work fine in an office PC for example, and is actually really wonderful for all of us who use Ryzen desktop CPUs in servers. Prior to AM5 we had to use APU's only or run some kind of dGPU in a server, which makes no sense.
Dawid, you seem to be running the RAM at 2400 MHz? That would be actually kneecapping the iGPU, no wonder it's that bad! Also, I found several videos on TH-cam showing Horizon Zero Dawn in 1080 low/medium settings on a 7600X,and they show 30-40 FPS, so this result does not make sense...could you elaborate on your settings? Thanks!
0:08 Ah, that's how frame gen works!
I have a 7800X3D using one of these igpus, it does in fact provide a great gaming experience... as a server!
Pretty awesome when the bulk of a game server's most-accessed state fits neatly into cache.
I just helped my friend build a system. Although he can afford a 4090, he decided to run the igpu in his new ryzen.
Great content. Reminds me of trying to run the original FSR in The Riftbreaker on an AMD E-350 laptop.
Interesting that below a certain threshold, the whole game starts running in slow motion rather than just dropping frames. The opening cutscene from _Horizon_ was probably animated at a fixed framerate to be more "cinematic", but even the gameplay segment in the _Ratchet and Clank_ game was experiencing this. That tells me there's critical non-graphics code that needs to run on the GPU even if there's plenty of excess CPU cycles it could be using instead. Maybe it's one of those games where the physics engine basically controls all movement.
Interested idea for a vid. Thanks Dawid, always a pleasure.
the 'deer' bugging at 5:07 lolol
A surprisingly capable little CPU is the 5500u. Nothing too impressive but was able to play plenty of older games in 1440p no problem, no AA of course.
0:50 that is indeed not all the games there is starfield that has it.
How much ram did you dedicate to the AMD iGPU’s framebuffer? Something tells me the default.
It doesn't actually matter. With just 2 CU's it's not going to run any real time games released relatively recent.
I love looking at the CPU utilization during all this. Its literally just idling most of the time :D
In defence of 7600x its meant to be used at cpu mainly for being paired with a dedicated gpu. Dunno why they even bothered to add a igpu. Maybe so people can use it for normal tasks like content watching or productivity without having to buy a dedicated gpu for display. Since its cheap tbh they likely created it for normal users ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thank you for doing tech stuff
That means the UHD 770 on my 12700K is basically a GT1030 or close to it?
took me a hot minute to realize you were using the onboard gpu that's basically just there for basic desktop rendering, not used to talking about AMD apu outside of the specific models
I didn’t know the igpu in my 7600x was that gutless but I guess I never considered gaming on it since I have a 3070. Oh well, I only really ever planned on using it to diagnose things if my gpu ever kicks the bucket.
The lamp on the right, glows your hair... as if you painted your hair pink loll
oh lol that was the lamp 🤣
@@wurst_the_grey yeah.. It took me also a while to find out. Lol
Hey Dawid, I am aware of the games listed with Frame Generation from FSR 3.1, however, Call of Duty MWIII and Naraka Bladepoint both offer it even on Nvidia GPUs and it certainly works; In Warzone at 1440p. I would typically average ~150 FPS on 14700K/3090, with FSR3.1 I am now surpassing my 240 frame cap up to 327FPS, so the intro is slightly inaccurate due to AMD's own publishing.
Alright guys, Dawid has uploaded a new video! On potatoes.
got a modern GT 710 and I love it as a troubleshooting thang and as a reference for buying old Quadro cards
i always wondered how frame generation worked 👍👍 thanks for the explanation
I'm still in shock at how well my GT 240 is doing, I've been using this thing for 14 years now and it's still surprisingly usable!
Im impressed you can find a thing that will run at such low fps without crashing out entirely. The system should force crash it with error message "too low fps you need help if you think this is acceptable"
Zen 4 Raphael iGPU is meant for USB-C / USB4 display output, it's mainly here for the copy engine and that's all.
I don't know how but you set up the iGPU wrong. As I watched the video I thought that the performance was lower than I remembered and now when I'm trying it on iGPU with my R7 7800X3D I'm getting tripple to quadruple performance in Forbidden West with 1080p very low settings. What you are getting with FSR 3.1 is what I have with native non generated resolution.
Love how Dawid has that old Alienware PC in the background. Back when they were actually good machines.
Does Horizon actually not let you skip cutscenes? Maybe you just need to hold the button down for more than a frame
Dawid: Tries to use Frame Generation without giving it enough frames to generate new frames from
Also Dawid: Surprised Pikachu face
What's up with the screen door effect on Counter Strike 2 footage?
Almost looks like vertical interlacing.
You set this system up wrong Dawid. RAM @ 2400Mhz. That's for starters. Also clearly you didn't set up your drivers properly because I've seen video of 7000 series iGPU's getting well over 40FPS in ratchet and Clank and many of the other games you tried over 60FPS. This is a really bad video.
Not even mentioning/setting the UMA framebuffer size is a fumble for sure.
what do you expect from someone who looks like a homeless guy
It's running at DDR5-4800, not 2400. Double Data Rate. The overlay isn't accurate. Performance metrics shown here are still weird either way.
I get the same framerate (5) with my 6900XT in CP2077 with all of the Raytraycing+Path enabled without FSR in 4K. With some awful looking FSR i get 10 fps!
I mean, a 4090 gets like 30 FPS with those settings on a good day, I'm not entirely sure what you were expecting?
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I am going to quote this verbatim when it's time to give my kids "the talk" about where babies come from, with zero additional context.
Tack!
how can it be worse than the igpu in my 2 year old laptop... thats sad
“Throwing bees in our eyes” 😂
You can mod FSR3 with frame gen into Cyberpunk. I've done it so my RX580 can run smoother.
Im curious if the fsr results were using microsoft WARP (software rendering) or whatever its called, because of the exact same behaviour/fps count between all the games
Well I didn’t know what you were expecting because the frame generation and so on only really works when you have a good enough frame rate for you to benefit from it. Let’s say it inserts extra frames between the existing one, interpolating the frame between the actual ones. At 4 frames per second you’re only going to get 3 extra frames, it’s simple math. If you want to see a true improvement you need to find a graphics card that pushes around 15-20 fps and suddenly it makes more sense.
8:00 PS3's Spider-Man miles morales is amazing
Good ol' 2 core AM5 iGPU. It can clock REALLY high at least. Supposedly has a built in voltage curve up to 2700mhz, so most people without tweaking can probably run it 2800mhz or +600. :D
The Radeon Graphics 128SP does have RT cores however. Techpowerup list the iGPU as being similar in performance to a Radeon HD5670. Which I'd believe as having seen how the HD630 handles games by comparison, and having played old games on a HD5650 vs Intel HD4600.
Edit: As part of the Rabbit-hole, AMD used Mendocino as the name for the further cut down Radeon 610M (the version found in; Athlon Gold 7220U, Ryzen 3 7320U and Ryzen 5 7520U). Though it still has the RT cores.
That bird in Horizon looks like Bianca out of Eastenders "Riiiiiiiiiiiickyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!"
Wouldn't the 'potatoiest potato' be a very-mushy/super-soft potato wedge? Mmmm...
actually this video can be watched with 360p and still get same quality XD
Bro forgot that Intel still updates their iGPUs from the 7th gen and onward.
No Man's Sky on the screen behind you?? Would love a video dedicated to that... though fairly off topic for your usual content
Majority of auditing firms / banks avoid AMD CPUs & use intel CPUs for there superior iGPU with a single stick ram.
FSR Frame gen works extremely well for me, I have a 7yo system with gtx1070 in ghost of tsushima very high 1080p i get 35-40fps, after frame gen its 80-90fps which is huge (I originally had a r5 1600, but just upgraded to 5700x3d)
I built a computer without a graphics card using a 7800X3D processor. The two games I wanted to play were cities: skylines and FACTORIO. Capital FACTORIO worked fine. Cities: skylines required a resolution down sampler. Then it hit about 50 frames per second. Overall, I could use the integrated graphics if I had to. Instead, I spent just as much as the rest of my computer to purchase a 4090.
Couldn't help but notice the No Man's Sky background on your PC, why don't you use that game for a test once in a while?
Hello, I have an issue with my Desktop Dell home computer, Alienware, Windows 7, and I was searching online and came across your channel and found it very helpful, thank you for the information you provide. The issue that I'm having is, that I want to restore my computer to factory settings and it's been going on for about 48 hours at this time and has not changed, it still shows reinstalling your selected system back up, with the little circle still going around. (Where it says progress completion is not even showing the percentage % sign)
Thanking you in advance for any help you can give me, Luis
A computer that old will still have a slow spinning harddrive, changing to an SSD will make it much snappier, but is something that old worth putting even that small amount of money into?
I'm getting 90s gamer flashbacks.
That 10th gen i5 is available in my area for 25usd. I've got a Lenovo small form factor desktop with 10700f and it just throttles to heck. Maybe a downgrade is in order. I can make a new build with the i7 using a proper cooler and case for my living room. Don't have space on my desk sadly.
New paste?
While obviously NOT an dedicated GPU, I feel that modern iGPUs have come a LONG way and do make some modern games (say games that are 2+ years old at least, and maybe some new ones) "playable" but perhaps not at 60 fps, but maybe a borderline 30 fps on low settings. So I mean while not ideal by any means, if your GPU craps out at 1am in the morning, you COULD theoretically use your iGPU in a pinch as it may be able to play some games at a reasonable pace (although not great of a pace and probably not a good idea for online/competitive play, maybe offline single-player games perhaps or games that don't require a GPU technically, or older games, etc). This is why I actually prefer CPUs that have iGPUs built-in which is most of them these days because they can act as a backup, even if you're not gaing, but just as a backup in case your Gpu fails (which I have had happen; which one time happened around the Christmas holiday so getting a replacement GPU meant waiting a few days, which for someone who uses the computer daily - not necessarily for games -- is an eternity).
To be honest though, as to your comment about being slower than a GT710 yeah you don't want that, but when you consider an iGPU is somewhat "free" that's not too bad (and your games could be played at say 20 fps although not great, so it is a "bonus" in a way that you have an iGPU). I remember buying processors that didn't have them, and then the GPu craps out and you have to go find something else as you won't be using your computer until you do (this is also why I always kept a PCI video card around with low-profile and regular brackets as a backup in a pinch; couldn't play games but would at least let me use the computer). Of course today these are useless since no PCs have PCI graphics.
I appreciate how Dawid is willing to endure all this trauma to make content for our enjoyment. Thank you, Dawid.
Lol. The igpu isn't for games, it's for encoding.
But still a fun video
it's not even for that, it's just to drive a couple of displays so mass-produced office OEM builds don't automatically default to Intel
And desktop, if you don't need game performance. For office software you basically need a video out and nothing more.
It’s not great at that either from my experience, AMD’s encoders are generally doodoo compared to Nvidia’s or especially Intel’s, buying an arc a310 or a350 would be a better idea than counting on an iGPU, or if you edit videos regularly Intel’s quicksync with their iGPUs massively decreases encoding times even with a dGPU, AMD makes good processors, and I’d buy one if you primarily game, and they wouldn’t be bad at all at video editing, but they wouldn’t be as good as an intel processor or GPUs from the other two brands
Yeah, i would rather get cheaper hardware that doesn't have useless "features".
This is in the same category as raytracing and NPU's, 95% of buyers will never need them.
Easily my fav PC YT individual. Charge on
The last of Part I and Seuna's Saga II also support it, maybe this vid was before
Dawid you CAN skip the cut scenes if you press spacebar lmao, the fact that it wouldn't let you just shows how poorly it was running. I only just played this game myself (as have many of us) and yea it's definitely possible. Also yes it definitely is more graphically intensive (and detailed) than the original. Having FSR and DLSS support helps a ton though for sure. Been considering trying FSR frame gen with DLSS on my 2080ti, but it's not needed the way it is on this rig, I lowered the graphics a bit and set the DLSS to quality and it's been running fine without much fidelity loss.
While an interesting idea I'd love to have seen some GPUs that actually ended up playable with the settings on. As a way to see what's the "worst usable" with the feature.
What about on an 8700G? The best current desktop iGPU??
Good job. Now I feel bad for paying the 5€ too get the 7600X over the 7500F. Still runs quite well with my 7800XT.
I don't understand the comparison between the selected IGPUs Intel UHD and 7600X, because I know that you know the difference between AMD APUs with the name extension G like a Ryzen 3 2200G (I would understand the comparison to Intel's UHD IGPU) and the IGPUs that AMD uses with the new CPUs as a graphical first aid solution to display the system. So if you test FSR with IGPUs, then please do it with an AMD G APU.
Technically ☝🤓
Ryzen 7000 series "iGPU" is not meant for any workload except desktop environment, it's meant for basic graphics output only. Like 2D graphics adapter card of the old.
Which it does well, and some people even manage to use it alongside an actual GPU for driving a secondary display.