Test drove General and Havoc X. The General is the nicer machine as far as fit and finish goes. Stock seats in Havoc are garbage. The comparable General was about 3k more than msrp on Havoc. The Havoc blows the General away in utility. Dump bed is huge and lots of storage with the extra cab. These are sport utility machines and the General just really doesn’t fit that bill for me. I needed something that works great on the farm and trails. General definitely needs a bigger bed. Picked up the Havoc and couldn’t be happier. Changed out the seats and now i feel it is definitely on par with the General for comfort. If I was looking into something to be purely sport, neither of these machines would be on my radar. I looked at these machines unbiased and intended on buying the General. It is a very nice machine. Yes the outside panels, doors ect are higher quality than the Havoc but the Havoc is every bit of if not better built underneath the plastic. Forged engine internals, dry sump oil system. Do yourselves a favor and stop being such brand fan boys.
Through personal experience, I own a havoc and my buddy owns the general xp. Swapping driving experience between both sxs’s (we both drove each one) and the havoc didn’t exactly destroy the general but won in every aspect besides comfort. I guess I could say that a Polaris fan boy has been converted to a textron man now. Sorry for the truth boys, sometimes truth hurts.
creepyrs3 well, I'm no popo fanboy...never have been. But let's give some credit where it's due...polaris has a great machine in the sport/ute department. The fact that they used a base model polaris in this shootout also says something...textron needed to bias this shootout in their favor. If they were comparing apples to apples, they'd have had a havoc, a general deluxe & a defender hd10.
Ive owned many Arctic Cat atv's over the last 20 years. They are tough. I have nothing to complain a bout. I have never had any repairs to make outside of regular maintenance like brake pads etc. A few wheel bearings on an old one
Well, if they hold up like the wildcats...your dealers are sure to make a killing in parts sales...or wind up getting their asses kicked by pissed off customers.
Sure would have liked to see an honest comparison. Example, the towing, General has a more aggressive tire (for offroad) which means less rubber in contact with the ground, it's simple surface contact and friction that the Havoc had over the General. I do like some of the features the Havoc had, but still can't get ODES out of my mind, looks like Textron is using parts from various manufacturers, the bed and the storage behind the seats is straight from the Kawasaki. I do look forward to them being innovative and curious to see what they come up with. Keep it coming, more options for us consumers!
Joseph Pearson not to mention, you can clearly see the tires on the general were rock hard and that exacerbated the fact that the tires are already at a loss on asphalt/hardpan.
What is the weight difference? The heavier vehicle will pull where the lighter one cannot. All 4 tires pulling equals Physics of weight. Cheers My Friends. Hehehe
I am not a Polaris guy, but there are better ways to prove that a machine is better then others, watching this video just pushed me away from Textron...
@@jimbob7072 Reviewers all over say so, lol. You're one of those. Don't believe everything your little screen tells you. I've got a Polaris Rzr xp 1000, never had one issue with it and it's a blast, I think it depends on the owner, how they drive it and how they maintain it. I've seen every brand of sxs broken down on the trail before. A lot of times it was because the driver didn't know what they were doing, or are just wreckless and dog their vehicle out till it breaks.
I bought a 2018 Havoc X today after checking out both it and the General. As stated before the general does have better plastic and fit. All that eventually gets worn anyhow. However in the frame and suspension the Havoc is built at the level if not better the General XP. It's an absolute tank. Newer Havoc models got better seats but for the price point and machine quality you're saving 6k or more to move up in the general lineup. Get some new seats in the Havoc and you've got a better SxS.
Polaris styling has always reminded me of a older Volvo. I do own a rzr, and really like the awd system though. Mostly any other side by side looks better than a rzr in my opinion. Value and dealer support are always important too.
Since this question has come up a few times we will address it here. First, there is only one Havoc. Call it base, top of the line, whatever, there is only one. There are several General models, the bottom two are close to Havoc's price. Most of the distinctions among the Generals are in bolt on accessories, ie, roofs, windshields, winches, painted body panels, and aluminum rims. They all have the same engine and powertrain. All General models also have the same size tires, so the ground clearance comparison wouldn't change. All Generals have the same cargo capacity and payload, so again, no change. The absolute top of the line General has Fox shocks which do likely compare better to the Havoc's Kings, but that model is more than $3000 more at MSRP. With a price difference that dramatic we would likely have added a column for "Price" where Havoc would have won by a mile. Additionally, General won for low speed ride quality with the base shocks, so the only place the Fox's may have mattered is high speed handling, and they may have actually hurt the low speed rating, depending on spring rate and damping. That same General model (Deluxe) also has a considerably heavier tire/wheel package than the base model we used, so the drag race results would likely have been even more dramatic in Havoc's favor. Had we awarded the Havoc points for its standard winch, it would be fair to cry foul, but we didn't. So all things considered we think it was as fair as it could have been without a huge price discrepancy, and even with it, the final result would likely have been the same.
MLS Powersports it doesn't matter how many of these type videos u do people r not going to believe ur results because it's ur product. I like all utv's/atv's & this one is pretty nice. I'd like to see ur products out in the mud at events going through the same holes all the other bike r going through. that would make the biggest impact on people.
If it’s going to sell in the industry we have nowadays, there has to be aftermarket products available to the buyers, lift kit etc. It is new out on the maker. Hopefully manufacturers will start making aftermarket products and it should sell better than the Arctic Cat Prowler and HDX
Lots of contention regarding this video; wow. I think both sides of the argument have valid points. I agree with MLS' decision to base this comparison on price point. This was a deciding factor for me when I purchased my Havoc X. I wanted the hp, suspension, and LED lights, but didn't want to pay $20K + for the General. It surely is a fair comparison of what one can get for $17K, so the suspension test is fair IMO. I paid $16K for Havoc, and it's a great machine. I also agree that the tires, weight and gearing played a factor in the tow test. The tires are really the only thing that could invalidate the test since lower gearing and weight are machine attributes that make it inherently better for towing. I also own a new 2018 Rzr XP 1000 and low gear is much higher than low in the Havoc; I'm not sure if the General has the same gearing or not. As far as everyone saying their General will own the Havoc, that's just not going to be the case. The XP 1000 won't own the Havoc. The suspension on the Havoc is MUCH better than the Walker Evans suspension on my Rzr. The Havoc is much more composed at high speed on choppy/rocky trails and doesn't bottom as easily. As far as build quality, the Havoc is better. It may not look as cool, but it doesn't rattle and squeak nearly as much as the Rzr and feels more solid. The seating position in the Havoc is poor, but it's not a show stopper. I'm 6', 240 and have no issues riding all day. The Rzr is definitely more comfortable. The Havoc crawls and paws amazingly well. The Rzr is MUCH easier to work on. The Havoc throttle response and power delivery is tons of fun and more aggressive than the Rzr. Even being more aggressive, the Havoc throttle is damped better if you in rough terrain. Each unit has it's pros and cons, but both are really fun and capable. I have about 250 miles on the Havoc and 150 on the Rzr in rocks, mud, water, and hard pack (PA and VA trails). So, if I had to choose a unit for a weekend of fun in the woods, I'd choose the Rzr due to comfort, but that's it. My wife prefers to ride in the Havoc. Of course, if I have work to do around the house, the Havoc is the choice. This is why I originally purchased the Havoc; I wanted something to work around the house with, but still have fun. Turns out there's been a lot more fun with the Havoc than work. As far as corporate stability and backing, Textron is a $14B business and Polaris is $3B. I got a 2 yr factory warranty with my Havoc compared to 6 mo on the Rzr.
Chris Myers yeah u are dumb. I bought my pioneer 1000 with a enclosed cab and boss v plow all hydraulic for 18k. Its better than that pos general and havoc
like the looks of textron more, and funny thing last year i talked to Canam and told them a super cab like the one now on Textron would be a nice option gives a longer wheel base and a place for your dogs, gun racks or what ever
I'd expect better log crossing & towing from a longer wheelbase machine. Also havoc weighs more. & That's a base model general soooo handling is not comparable. But the havoc has a good set up. Just needs a little refinement
i have been drived both, for me yhe clear winner is the Polaris, more quality, more durability as the Textron so i think this Video is sponsored by the Textron! Everyone knows the quality from both .
The Havoc’s tires are aired way down. Watch when they hook up to the truck. The Havoc’s rear tires are flexing like crazy. The Polaris has no flex and are obviously at a much higher pressure...but whatever it takes to sell the Textron product I guess.
I saw your comment below and understand about the price point, but is there any chance you guys could do a similar video using the Deluxe General? I'm curious about the Fox shocks ride vs the Kings. I'm researching both of these and may purchase one of them next year. I liked the side by side comparison of the suspension and thought the rest of the video was pretty good also. I did build a Havoc on the website and man, you can load one up really nice for the price of a General Deluxe.
The base general did have a nice low speed ride quality. From my experience with suspension i would imagine the FOX QS3 that comes on the deluxe will ride better the the base model shocks at high speed but worse at low speed, so you lose and gain with either.
It's more to do with the fact that the large logs are spaced exactly where the front and back tire have to climb at the same time on the Polaris and the Textron has different wheelbase so one set of tires can pull or push the other set over the log. Not that I am defending Polaris but that I would never buy anything from a place that would create a very obviously biased video like this one.
Not really an equal test. That looks like a base model General and I'm guessing top of the line Havoc, with King shocks. Tires mean a lot on blacktop as well, look at the contact patch of what each unit had.
Wtf on the towing test the general had like 6,000 PSI in tires the havoc had 2 PSI lol you could see the tires squatting on the havoc due to low pressure.
Then the guy lets off the gas when the Polaris starts getting forward progress and gets on and off the gas. This should be a video of how not to pull a load.
69 my favorite number...general is a far superior machine. Anybody can shoot a shitty vid to make whichever machine they want look better. Ive run lots of polaris sleds and wheelers and other than my old 580 xlt never had major issues with them. My sportsman 550 and old 400 are great machines. They are noisy rattle traps but always perform well
B Breckner Not to mention with the General they stopped when the log got the rear wheels except for the last try when they hit it at speed. Had they hit the logs the same way they did with the Havoc the General would've easily cleared. & had they stopped the Havoc like the General it likely wouldn't have made it either... That part made the video seem a bit biased imo. They are both very nice machines but the Havoc is ugly imo (especially with that bright green paint). If they would make the Havoc interior much nicer & user friendly like the General I think they would have a definite winner. The best thing about the Havoc is the King shocks imo...
I own Arctic Cat Snowmobiles and Polaris 4 wheelers so I'm torn between these 2! IMO, I think Polaris has better ATV's then AC/Textron (comparing older models), but with Textron taking over I think the ATV side will greatly improve, people just need to be patient! I think Arctic Cat still has the best Snowmobiles, sorry Polaris. With that being said, their are many dealerships out there that sell both and a lot of the times they have a testing area to drive demos. I myself, have 3 such dealerships and will test both! I did just recently sit in the new Havoc and in person this is a very nice UTV! My only complaint vs the General is the seats! General seemed to have better seats? It's been awhile since I sat in a General(they didn't have one to sit in side x side for comparison). What is the HP/torque on this Havoc? I Know the General is at 100 HP. Great video BTW, the only test I question is the towing of the Truck up the hill?? It would be too easy for the driver of the truck to apply the brakes to stop the Polaris?? Just sayin' I hope the Textron Havoc sells well! Good luck!
Me: have u heard of Polaris Random stranger: oh yeah! Who hasn't? Me: have you heard of the trexton off road havoc x? Random stranger: never heard of it. Sounds like a knock off pos. First thing that needs work is that $5 dollar name
They should buy the Walmart bicycle name MONGOOSE I think it could work it is a cool name lol then they can name their vehicles stuff like the WOMBAT, ARMADILLO, NITE HAWK AND OTHERS LIKE IT LOL.... DO YOU AGREE?
typical polaris fanboys crying foul every time their pos polaris get shown up on a comparison.broken record.i'm surprised the polaris even made it all the way through the comparison without breaking down.
What happened to the vaulted Havoc and it's fan boys here in 2020?? Appears that it has been relegated to obscurity as well it should have. Obviously these tests were tailor made for the Havoc such as the log challenge and the tow where they clearly aired down the tires of the Havoc. Give me a break.
mls is a arctic cat dealership n a good one at that, but I do have to agree that video was far from fair lol pretty funny to be honest did have a good laugh... I would of never thought mis would of made a video like this, just because I thought they were a classy dealership...
The general is a great machine and has the Polaris name to back it so it has an advantage there but from everything I’ve seen and all the research I’ve done the havoc is just flat out a better all around machine.. textron is gonna be a name that’s held in the same breath as Polaris and can am in the very near future. They need more videos put out there like this to back their quality on both the havoc and stampede and they’ll start moving units like crazy
Brandon Hensley I just recently bought a stampede x and I love it. Grew up in a Polaris family and that what I’ve always road but I started doing my research a few months back when I went to buy a side by side and the stampede hit everything I was looking for at a great price point.. much sportier and nimbler on the trails then a ranger and still had all the utility functions.. loads of power and handles great.. only thing I don’t like so far is the speed governor tops you out at 61... you get there in a hurry and can tell there’s tons more power available.. don’t need it all the time but for the money I spent I want access to all the power that motors got to give.. overall great buy tho and would make the same decision again
Finally Textron or ARCTIC CAT is taking on POLARIS head on with THIS Vehicle.....and doesn't look too shabby. Lets see Textron take on OTHER models too such as the RZR, Can-am X3 etc.
both brands have reliability issues .. polaris has a class action lawsuit pending and was fined 27.25 million for failing to report known issues that has caused numerous fires and injuries ... along with reliability issues ...
Well I base my opinion on a SXS at the race track. Appears YAMAHA is a top performer with less break downs than can am and polaris. Most race teams will tell you the downfalls of the different brands.
My Conclusion is the Polaris is the Better Vehicle based on the fact that they had to cheat in every one of these comparisons to make the Havoc appear to be Better.
Polaris only built Rangers south of the border and don't think they even do that anymore. Rangers were built here to during that time. Used to see built in mexico on some and USA on others.
I don't care so much about the comparison between these two. You would be better off doing a really good walk around and showing every single feature and the undercarriage of the Havoc.
I've worked at a deal ship and this is one of the most biased I think I've ever seen. I have nothing against Textron and I think they're on there way in the off-road world. lets just hop people like this don't ruin they're reputation before they even get a chance to get one.
The base General you show can be bought for just over 15k OTD by me, I know the Odes/AC/Textron dealer by me can't touch it, was quoted over 21K for the Havoc OTD. Just sayin' apples to apples, I can buy a deluxe General with ride command for the same OTD price.
This is true, Polaris will shove product down a dealers throat, so forcing some dealers to heavy discount to maintain inventory levels, Polaris is more common and that give way for more competitive pricing. But there are a lot of people out there that won't touch a Polaris, sometimes people like something different. I am not a dealer for either one, but I like to keep up with all products out there, and these are things I have seen in the industry. I have no opinion one way or the other on either, I have not seen a Havoc in person of drove in one, but I do work on and sell (used) Polaris's, and when you have heavy competitive pricing between dealers, resale values suffer too, as an idea we just got in a 2017 General on trade and it's well equipped and with just over 200 miles and extended warranty, it's going to go for under 13k out the door. Now different areas values will change. I know Textron was artic cat, but the Havoc is new and unproven as the General is, and Polaris shoves there name down your throat in advertising so they are very popular. Give it a year or so to get out and see how it does then we can see how it stands up.
I like different bikes even more than most. We got into selling Redcats years ago (when China bikes really left much to be desired) as it was the only way we could outfit our kids (large family) with bikes. This continued into the Tank years and through the China metamorphosis into usable alternatives. Still sell Linhai and believe they have a place in the inexpensive market. Havoc vs General just isn't apples to apples, at least not yet.
Sorry the truth hurts, MSRP plus Trans plus setup plus dealer fees. Was quoted 21k, no shame, it's just another wanna be with no resale value. I hope Textron picks up the AC/BadBoy/Odes game, improves build quality and durability. For now they can struggle to keep their projected 9% market share.
LMAO! This is the most rigged, bootleg shootout I've ever seen. If you buy a Textron, you need to choke yourself. It's about like buying a Mitsubishi car.
Thank you. MSRP on Havoc is $17,299, only the one trim level currently available. General has several Trim levels from $16,299 to $21,499. Differences are primarily in factory installed accessories like roof, winches, fancier wheels, paint, etc.
The price comparison if you were to compare, the one up from the base model which only includes eps costs more than the havoc so it would be a lose lose
It kinda gets next to you when someone is saying what they have is much better than what you went in debt to get. Truth is we may never know the truth. I research and then I buy. And if I’m happy with it your opinion is a waste of breath. An opinion is just someone’s thoughts on a particular subject and in no means the truth. Buy what you want and get ready because someone is going to say it’s junk. Kinda funny don’t you think. Not a Polaris guy but I did see some of the untruths in this video. Pulling the truck was the most obvious should have been done with the same tires on both. That worries me a little. Are they that dumb to not figure that out or do they think we are that dumb. Maybe they need to do some research before their next advertisement. Me I own a Honda pioneer 1000 5 deluxe. They have a long line of haters. But it puts a smile on my face every time I open my shed door.
It's a awesome SxS but needs a new name for branding purposes. They should buy the Walmart bicycle name MONGOOSE I think it could work it is a cool name lol then they can name their vehicles stuff like the WOMBAT, ARMADILLO, NITE HAWK AND OTHERS LIKE IT LOL.... DO YOU AGREE? Also yes someone else said something about the name 😂 but didn't get any responses so I'm trying
Yet Mongoose wasn't a Walmart name originally. Mongoose was started in California in a someone's garage but surely knew that... Walmart bought out someone else's name just as you are suggesting... Food for thought, Polaris has came a long way. They complete junk for MANY years....
And don't set up the logs to specifically to have the General's front and back tires hit the two humps simultaneously, while the Havoc's longer wheelbase doesn't. The converse would be true with a different log setup which would do the same to the Havoc with converse results. Very disingenuous video. Might want to slow down the videography in the beginning to see the aesthetics clearly. Video makes the Havoc look like just another wanna' be. General's stock ground clearance is 12", yup a full 12 ", again disingenuous. There is really no comparison, but nice try.
Wooley Swamp Adventures notice how they also chose to use a base model general with garbage tires and a very basic shock setup. No doubt in my mind that the preload/ride height was set at the lowest setting. Then again, all of the brands bias their head to head shootouts.
I like the looks, love the color. Would really like to demo one. Textron may have a really good product here, but their problem is going to be whether people are going to give them a chance or not. It might kind of suck for Textron at first but they really need to give out lots of demo rides and maybe even give away a few to certain parts of the country to get people's reviews and thoughts on the machine. It can't be the company and dealers themselves doing the reviews and the videos, it needs to be from customers that can be honest. Let me have one for half price or something and I'll give you all kinds of videos and personal reviews. And if there's any design issues Textron needs to be willing to get the problem fixed and resolved in a timely fashion. The bottom A-Arms should have been arched, and the axles looks small from the video, they're likely going to be a problem. It was first advertised with 110 horsepower, they should have came with a 110 if not a 120 horsepower. Textron needs to not be comparable to the competition but blow them away. There's a lot of people that buy Utility side by sides because of the three seat option, I would much prefer this machine with three seats and I think it would be easy for them to make that adjustment. They should make it an either or option.
Curtis Bull the thing is...textron is clearly not going after the pure utility market. They're aiming for the crossover sport/ute niche market that the general is (almost) filling. I really don't think these machines would last in the farming or pure sport markets. Furthermore...the abject failure that is the wildcat will go a long way towards why people don't want to give textron a chance. Same thing with a/c's "kymco cat" atv's.
usind doulble shear points instead of ball joints, good shocks and very good ground clearance are examples of Textron engineering studies. They have also gone to a bench seat in the newer models.
The havoc is a blend of sport and utility. Look at the Prowler Pro for the farmer or hunter. The Wildcat XX just received the top UTV award. Textron is on the move.
I'm sorry but this would be a better comparison if it was the general deluxe, it has the fox podiums 2.0 like the textron suspension which I believe is the 2.5. Not sure. And better tires on the general deluxe for the log test. Do this test over and the deluxe will come out on top on more these test
Same thing with to towing test. If the general didn't have such tall skinny tires am d had the more flat rack crawling style tires it would do probably just the same. I like both of these machines but your proving a bottom grade machine to another top of the line loaded machine
They compared the General that had the closest price point which is a very valid argument. You cannot compare 2 exact vehicles. Do you want to compare it on best suspension offered? best tires offered? Then forget about the extra $3200 in price? Might as well throw in a rzr turbo its only 4500 more lol The point is, the test was done with, "What can i buy for $17,000"
foxracing16 if people are looking at sxs price very rarely determines what they wind up purchasing. The price point bs is a snakeoil salesmansbway of comparing apples to oranges. Like comparing a base model 1/2 ton dodge to a ford raptor and claiming the price point is what makes it a more capable off road rig. If price point were the determining factor you'd see those rattle trap wildcats all over the place and can am would have never sold a single x3.
anyway polaris are just unreliable piece of shit lol some people love them and good for them but i will never own a polaris cuz the build quality is poor and the reliability is not present if i have to pay like 20 000 $ on a side by side it better be able to take me back home ....and not with 3 recall from the factory lol
Many have already stated it but the suspension are complete opposites. The base model general suspension is short of a dumpster fire. My Polaris general ride command has the podium 3 fox shox and performs far different. This was a shady attempt to push textron Garbage.
Havoc....what a cheap name. The General got ripped off in this vid. Use a better model next time cause you pretty much put a smart car against a Corolla. Use the higher model general and it would be more like supra vs Corolla, supra being the higher model general of course.
Good news! You can still find 2018 Havoc new! Apparently they didn't exactly fly off the shelves.
Test drove General and Havoc X. The General is the nicer machine as far as fit and finish goes. Stock seats in Havoc are garbage. The comparable General was about 3k more than msrp on Havoc. The Havoc blows the General away in utility. Dump bed is huge and lots of storage with the extra cab. These are sport utility machines and the General just really doesn’t fit that bill for me. I needed something that works great on the farm and trails. General definitely needs a bigger bed.
Picked up the Havoc and couldn’t be happier. Changed out the seats and now i feel it is definitely on par with the General for comfort. If I was looking into something to be purely sport, neither of these machines would be on my radar.
I looked at these machines unbiased and intended on buying the General. It is a very nice machine. Yes the outside panels, doors ect are higher quality than the Havoc but the Havoc is every bit of if not better built underneath the plastic. Forged engine internals, dry sump oil system. Do yourselves a favor and stop being such brand fan boys.
Jeffrey Verscheure no
Through personal experience, I own a havoc and my buddy owns the general xp. Swapping driving experience between both sxs’s (we both drove each one) and the havoc didn’t exactly destroy the general but won in every aspect besides comfort. I guess I could say that a Polaris fan boy has been converted to a textron man now. Sorry for the truth boys, sometimes truth hurts.
so many polaris fan boys every video you watch......its sickning!!!!
creepyrs3 well, I'm no popo fanboy...never have been. But let's give some credit where it's due...polaris has a great machine in the sport/ute department. The fact that they used a base model polaris in this shootout also says something...textron needed to bias this shootout in their favor. If they were comparing apples to apples, they'd have had a havoc, a general deluxe & a defender hd10.
ROTAXD dont forget about the honda pioneer 1000 😃😃😄 the lil honda that could. And beat all ass
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MLS really love this video and the stampede video as well. Hard to decide on which one I want! Thanks for the quality vid!
Ive owned many Arctic Cat atv's over the last 20 years. They are tough. I have nothing to complain a bout. I have never had any repairs to make outside of regular maintenance like brake pads etc. A few wheel bearings on an old one
Well, if they hold up like the wildcats...your dealers are sure to make a killing in parts sales...or wind up getting their asses kicked by pissed off customers.
Sure would have liked to see an honest comparison. Example, the towing, General has a more aggressive tire (for offroad) which means less rubber in contact with the ground, it's simple surface contact and friction that the Havoc had over the General. I do like some of the features the Havoc had, but still can't get ODES out of my mind, looks like Textron is using parts from various manufacturers, the bed and the storage behind the seats is straight from the Kawasaki. I do look forward to them being innovative and curious to see what they come up with. Keep it coming, more options for us consumers!
Stock tires on both applications. TEXTRON does not use various parts of other manufactures. It is manufactured in the USA
foxracing16 so eas American motors and they got their parts from dodge, ford, gm & spicer.
Joseph Pearson not to mention, you can clearly see the tires on the general were rock hard and that exacerbated the fact that the tires are already at a loss on asphalt/hardpan.
What is the weight difference? The heavier vehicle will pull where the lighter one cannot. All 4 tires pulling equals Physics of weight. Cheers My Friends. Hehehe
@@ROTAXD I saw that right away. At the end of the day it's still a Cat...
All these triggered polaris guys😂
I am not a Polaris guy, but there are better ways to prove that a machine is better then others, watching this video just pushed me away from Textron...
I would never buy one of these pieces of shit, your mothers is nice though.
@@iceman9515 I won't buy a polaris they are junk
Reviews all over say so
@@jimbob7072 Reviewers all over say so, lol. You're one of those. Don't believe everything your little screen tells you. I've got a Polaris Rzr xp 1000, never had one issue with it and it's a blast, I think it depends on the owner, how they drive it and how they maintain it. I've seen every brand of sxs broken down on the trail before. A lot of times it was because the driver didn't know what they were doing, or are just wreckless and dog their vehicle out till it breaks.
Polaris sucks ngl
I bought a 2018 Havoc X today after checking out both it and the General. As stated before the general does have better plastic and fit. All that eventually gets worn anyhow. However in the frame and suspension the Havoc is built at the level if not better the General XP. It's an absolute tank. Newer Havoc models got better seats but for the price point and machine quality you're saving 6k or more to move up in the general lineup. Get some new seats in the Havoc and you've got a better SxS.
I wonder how a long term test comparison would go? That Havoc looks pretty well built . . . . .
Looks like it was designed in the 90's. Yawn
Polaris styling has always reminded me of a older Volvo. I do own a rzr, and really like the awd system though. Mostly any other side by side looks better than a rzr in my opinion. Value and dealer support are always important too.
Wow. Very impressive video. I see the Textron in a new light.
Thank you for the video. Sorry for the snow flake's.You did the right thing by not replying to all this.Why can't we all just get along?
You don’t compare the base unit general to the top of line Havoc guys come on
Since this question has come up a few times we will address it here. First, there is only one Havoc. Call it base, top of the line, whatever, there is only one. There are several General models, the bottom two are close to Havoc's price. Most of the distinctions among the Generals are in bolt on accessories, ie, roofs, windshields, winches, painted body panels, and aluminum rims. They all have the same engine and powertrain. All General models also have the same size tires, so the ground clearance comparison wouldn't change. All Generals have the same cargo capacity and payload, so again, no change. The absolute top of the line General has Fox shocks which do likely compare better to the Havoc's Kings, but that model is more than $3000 more at MSRP. With a price difference that dramatic we would likely have added a column for "Price" where Havoc would have won by a mile. Additionally, General won for low speed ride quality with the base shocks, so the only place the Fox's may have mattered is high speed handling, and they may have actually hurt the low speed rating, depending on spring rate and damping. That same General model (Deluxe) also has a considerably heavier tire/wheel package than the base model we used, so the drag race results would likely have been even more dramatic in Havoc's favor. Had we awarded the Havoc points for its standard winch, it would be fair to cry foul, but we didn't. So all things considered we think it was as fair as it could have been without a huge price discrepancy, and even with it, the final result would likely have been the same.
MLS Powersports it doesn't matter how many of these type videos u do people r not going to believe ur results because it's ur product. I like all utv's/atv's & this one is pretty nice. I'd like to see ur products out in the mud at events going through the same holes all the other bike r going through. that would make the biggest impact on people.
Stock General comes with 12inch steel rims and 25 inch tires, mid range General has 14 inch aluminum rims and 27 inch Maxis Coronado tires.
general has different models for people budgets, havock on exspensive king shocks, do a head to head on the general with the better shocks.
MLS Powersports wrong my ride command is completely different suspension and wheels and tires!!
If it’s going to sell in the industry we have nowadays, there has to be aftermarket products available to the buyers, lift kit etc. It is new out on the maker. Hopefully manufacturers will start making aftermarket products and it should sell better than the Arctic Cat Prowler and HDX
Intro made me car sick
Lots of contention regarding this video; wow. I think both sides of the argument have valid points. I agree with MLS' decision to base this comparison on price point. This was a deciding factor for me when I purchased my Havoc X. I wanted the hp, suspension, and LED lights, but didn't want to pay $20K + for the General. It surely is a fair comparison of what one can get for $17K, so the suspension test is fair IMO. I paid $16K for Havoc, and it's a great machine. I also agree that the tires, weight and gearing played a factor in the tow test. The tires are really the only thing that could invalidate the test since lower gearing and weight are machine attributes that make it inherently better for towing. I also own a new 2018 Rzr XP 1000 and low gear is much higher than low in the Havoc; I'm not sure if the General has the same gearing or not. As far as everyone saying their General will own the Havoc, that's just not going to be the case. The XP 1000 won't own the Havoc. The suspension on the Havoc is MUCH better than the Walker Evans suspension on my Rzr. The Havoc is much more composed at high speed on choppy/rocky trails and doesn't bottom as easily. As far as build quality, the Havoc is better. It may not look as cool, but it doesn't rattle and squeak nearly as much as the Rzr and feels more solid. The seating position in the Havoc is poor, but it's not a show stopper. I'm 6', 240 and have no issues riding all day. The Rzr is definitely more comfortable. The Havoc crawls and paws amazingly well. The Rzr is MUCH easier to work on. The Havoc throttle response and power delivery is tons of fun and more aggressive than the Rzr. Even being more aggressive, the Havoc throttle is damped better if you in rough terrain. Each unit has it's pros and cons, but both are really fun and capable. I have about 250 miles on the Havoc and 150 on the Rzr in rocks, mud, water, and hard pack (PA and VA trails). So, if I had to choose a unit for a weekend of fun in the woods, I'd choose the Rzr due to comfort, but that's it. My wife prefers to ride in the Havoc. Of course, if I have work to do around the house, the Havoc is the choice. This is why I originally purchased the Havoc; I wanted something to work around the house with, but still have fun. Turns out there's been a lot more fun with the Havoc than work. As far as corporate stability and backing, Textron is a $14B business and Polaris is $3B. I got a 2 yr factory warranty with my Havoc compared to 6 mo on the Rzr.
Chris Myers yeah u are dumb. I bought my pioneer 1000 with a enclosed cab and boss v plow all hydraulic for 18k. Its better than that pos general and havoc
tested against base general with out fox shocks
shocks will not change the out come of this,Havoc is just stronger
The prices are comparable as is.
like the looks of textron more, and funny thing last year i talked to Canam and told them a super cab like the one now on Textron would be a nice option gives a longer wheel base and a place for your dogs, gun racks or what ever
Marnie Larocque that piece has a patent from Textron so only they can have the space in between the bed and seats.
I'm still a fan of the General over this, but it has definitly grabbed my attention and think it is a great machine.
I'd expect better log crossing & towing from a longer wheelbase machine. Also havoc weighs more. & That's a base model general soooo handling is not comparable.
But the havoc has a good set up. Just needs a little refinement
i have been drived both, for me yhe clear winner is the Polaris, more quality, more durability as the Textron so i think this Video is sponsored by the Textron! Everyone knows the quality from both .
I do like the way it looks. I need to get next to one to get a better idea.
That thing destroyed the Polaris
This is one of the best comparison videos I’ve ever seen. Extremely thorough. Can’t wait till the 4 seater drops.
The Havoc’s tires are aired way down. Watch when they hook up to the truck. The Havoc’s rear tires are flexing like crazy. The Polaris has no flex and are obviously at a much higher pressure...but whatever it takes to sell the Textron product I guess.
I dig it!
Let's air out of tires* "but havoc..."
I saw your comment below and understand about the price point, but is there any chance you guys could do a similar video using the Deluxe General? I'm curious about the Fox shocks ride vs the Kings. I'm researching both of these and may purchase one of them next year. I liked the side by side comparison of the suspension and thought the rest of the video was pretty good also. I did build a Havoc on the website and man, you can load one up really nice for the price of a General Deluxe.
The base general did have a nice low speed ride quality. From my experience with suspension i would imagine the FOX QS3 that comes on the deluxe will ride better the the base model shocks at high speed but worse at low speed, so you lose and gain with either.
I don't own either machine but dude let out of the gas on the Polaris when his back wheels hit the log. Watch the lug nuts.
It's more to do with the fact that the large logs are spaced exactly where the front and back tire have to climb at the same time on the Polaris and the Textron has different wheelbase so one set of tires can pull or push the other set over the log. Not that I am defending Polaris but that I would never buy anything from a place that would create a very obviously biased video like this one.
I liked this video. I think the Havoc looks way better than the General and I think the General looks good...
Not really an equal test. That looks like a base model General and I'm guessing top of the line Havoc, with King shocks. Tires mean a lot on blacktop as well, look at the contact patch of what each unit had.
Wtf on the towing test the general had like 6,000 PSI in tires the havoc had 2 PSI lol you could see the tires squatting on the havoc due to low pressure.
Then the guy lets off the gas when the Polaris starts getting forward progress and gets on and off the gas. This should be a video of how not to pull a load.
Textron get on board guys go sell those popo .get a machine that will last
tire pressures are not the same you can tell on the tow test
69 my favorite number...general is a far superior machine. Anybody can shoot a shitty vid to make whichever machine they want look better. Ive run lots of polaris sleds and wheelers and other than my old 580 xlt never had major issues with them. My sportsman 550 and old 400 are great machines. They are noisy rattle traps but always perform well
With the log test you should have hit the logs like you were out on the trails and just jump over them, lol!
B Breckner Not to mention with the General they stopped when the log got the rear wheels except for the last try when they hit it at speed. Had they hit the logs the same way they did with the Havoc the General would've easily cleared. & had they stopped the Havoc like the General it likely wouldn't have made it either... That part made the video seem a bit biased imo. They are both very nice machines but the Havoc is ugly imo (especially with that bright green paint). If they would make the Havoc interior much nicer & user friendly like the General I think they would have a definite winner. The best thing about the Havoc is the King shocks imo...
I own Arctic Cat Snowmobiles and Polaris 4 wheelers so I'm torn between these 2! IMO, I think Polaris has better ATV's then AC/Textron (comparing older models), but with Textron taking over I think the ATV side will greatly improve, people just need to be patient! I think Arctic Cat still has the best Snowmobiles, sorry Polaris. With that being said, their are many dealerships out there that sell both and a lot of the times they have a testing area to drive demos. I myself, have 3 such dealerships and will test both! I did just recently sit in the new Havoc and in person this is a very nice UTV! My only complaint vs the General is the seats! General seemed to have better seats? It's been awhile since I sat in a General(they didn't have one to sit in side x side for comparison). What is the HP/torque on this Havoc? I Know the General is at 100 HP. Great video BTW, the only test I question is the towing of the Truck up the hill?? It would be too easy for the driver of the truck to apply the brakes to stop the Polaris?? Just sayin' I hope the Textron Havoc sells well! Good luck!
papa Wattz you own polaris atv's and yamaha snowmobiles.
Not 1 part of my snowmobiles is Yamaha, nice try! Now my 800 is a Suzuki engine, but my 600 is built by Arctic cat! FACT!
Me: have u heard of Polaris
Random stranger: oh yeah! Who hasn't?
Me: have you heard of the trexton off road havoc x?
Random stranger: never heard of it. Sounds like a knock off pos.
First thing that needs work is that $5 dollar name
They should buy the Walmart bicycle name MONGOOSE I think it could work it is a cool name lol then they can name their vehicles stuff like the WOMBAT, ARMADILLO, NITE HAWK AND OTHERS LIKE IT LOL.... DO YOU AGREE?
Ummm. Quick history lesson. Textron owned Polaris in the 70's into the 80's.
Nice havoc commercial
Mls powersport nice vido keep going
The strap gets slack in it when the general let's off the gas, if the brakes weren't on in that truck itd of pulled back against the strap
typical polaris fanboys crying foul every time their pos polaris get shown up on a comparison.broken record.i'm surprised the polaris even made it all the way through the comparison without breaking down.
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...like both- havoc with king shocks thats great..
What happened to the vaulted Havoc and it's fan boys here in 2020?? Appears that it has been relegated to obscurity as well it should have. Obviously these tests were tailor made for the Havoc such as the log challenge and the tow where they clearly aired down the tires of the Havoc. Give me a break.
If this isn’t bias don’t know what is
The Havoc is in a diferant class.it even looks beefier then the polaris
Can you'll explain why the text on bottom of the ladder and polaris is at the top of the ladder.
mls is a arctic cat dealership n a good one at that, but I do have to agree that video was far from fair lol pretty funny to be honest did have a good laugh... I would of never thought mis would of made a video like this, just because I thought they were a classy dealership...
I like the way they air down the tires for Tow. Lol
The tailgate fell off on the Textron when he opened it on the right
The general is a great machine and has the Polaris name to back it so it has an advantage there but from everything I’ve seen and all the research I’ve done the havoc is just flat out a better all around machine.. textron is gonna be a name that’s held in the same breath as Polaris and can am in the very near future. They need more videos put out there like this to back their quality on both the havoc and stampede and they’ll start moving units like crazy
Andrew Cox agreed, I’m very interested in Textron. May even buy one over a pioneer or polaris
Brandon Hensley I just recently bought a stampede x and I love it. Grew up in a Polaris family and that what I’ve always road but I started doing my research a few months back when I went to buy a side by side and the stampede hit everything I was looking for at a great price point.. much sportier and nimbler on the trails then a ranger and still had all the utility functions.. loads of power and handles great.. only thing I don’t like so far is the speed governor tops you out at 61... you get there in a hurry and can tell there’s tons more power available.. don’t need it all the time but for the money I spent I want access to all the power that motors got to give.. overall great buy tho and would make the same decision again
Andrew Cox it'd better hold up better than the wildcats or they'll be sitting on stockpiles of unsellable havocs.
Finally Textron or ARCTIC CAT is taking on POLARIS head on with THIS Vehicle.....and doesn't look too shabby.
Lets see Textron take on OTHER models too such as the RZR, Can-am X3 etc.
Agree should be compared to the top model general as its the top model stampede. not 100% fair.
there's only one model
Lol so top of line Textron against base model general?
that's because they top of the line textron is priced similarly to the base model general
Textron? Isn't that a fuel additive? Should have had a shoot out between this techron and a 1994 john deere gator, they're about the same thing lol.
Dam those generals r wicked looking machines!!!!
both brands have reliability issues .. polaris has a class action lawsuit pending and was fined 27.25 million for failing to report known issues that has caused numerous fires and injuries ... along with reliability issues ...
the up hill battle wasnt exactly fair. Let's swap tires giving the Polaris more rubber on the ground and mud tires on the Havoc
it was an example of the awd system. It's better
Music????? Why
This is so fun
Well I base my opinion on a SXS at the race track. Appears YAMAHA is a top performer with less break downs than can am and polaris. Most race teams will tell you the downfalls of the different brands.
My Conclusion is the Polaris is the Better Vehicle based on the fact that they had to cheat in every one of these comparisons to make the Havoc appear to be Better.
Is the general made in Mexico like the rest of the Polaris line?
Polaris only built Rangers south of the border and don't think they even do that anymore. Rangers were built here to during that time. Used to see built in mexico on some and USA on others.
popo guys get over it nothing combares to that beast Havoc new machine of the year
Hum comparison totally bogus doesn’t take much to see that
3rd party....NOPE
I see a fair comparison.
I’m waiting on XX myself
next year be XXX?
The XX impressed me. The ride, steering, interior size and the suspension is really put together well
I don't care so much about the comparison between these two. You would be better off doing a really good walk around and showing every single feature and the undercarriage of the Havoc.
tracker and arctic cat know wasup also mule kawasaki solid axle no chain or the roxor
Both are better than a Ford
Base model General? Really i will put my Deluxe up against that POS any day of the week!!!!
Green font.. someone likes the textron more..
sorry popo owners
annoying sound.......that aint music...yuk
Where's the 4 seater havok?
Thats a base general with cheaper shocks not the fox shocks and shity tires on the base lol
I've worked at a deal ship and this is one of the most biased I think I've ever seen. I have nothing against Textron and I think they're on there way in the off-road world. lets just hop people like this don't ruin they're reputation before they even get a chance to get one.
So how much is it out the door today?Loaded General at joe hills today is 19200.00
You would have to contact us privately for an exact quote, but it is a lot less than that.
The base General you show can be bought for just over 15k OTD by me, I know the Odes/AC/Textron dealer by me can't touch it, was quoted over 21K for the Havoc OTD. Just sayin' apples to apples, I can buy a deluxe General with ride command for the same OTD price.
This is true, Polaris will shove product down a dealers throat, so forcing some dealers to heavy discount to maintain inventory levels, Polaris is more common and that give way for more competitive pricing. But there are a lot of people out there that won't touch a Polaris, sometimes people like something different. I am not a dealer for either one, but I like to keep up with all products out there, and these are things I have seen in the industry. I have no opinion one way or the other on either, I have not seen a Havoc in person of drove in one, but I do work on and sell (used) Polaris's, and when you have heavy competitive pricing between dealers, resale values suffer too, as an idea we just got in a 2017 General on trade and it's well equipped and with just over 200 miles and extended warranty, it's going to go for under 13k out the door. Now different areas values will change. I know Textron was artic cat, but the Havoc is new and unproven as the General is, and Polaris shoves there name down your throat in advertising so they are very popular. Give it a year or so to get out and see how it does then we can see how it stands up.
I like different bikes even more than most. We got into selling Redcats years ago (when China bikes really left much to be desired) as it was the only way we could outfit our kids (large family) with bikes. This continued into the Tank years and through the China metamorphosis into usable alternatives. Still sell Linhai and believe they have a place in the inexpensive market. Havoc vs General just isn't apples to apples, at least not yet.
Sorry the truth hurts, MSRP plus Trans plus setup plus dealer fees. Was quoted 21k, no shame, it's just another wanna be with no resale value. I hope Textron picks up the AC/BadBoy/Odes game, improves build quality and durability. For now they can struggle to keep their projected 9% market share.
LMAO! This is the most rigged, bootleg shootout I've ever seen. If you buy a Textron, you need to choke yourself. It's about like buying a Mitsubishi car.
Considering Textron off road is no more. Polaris wins. Changing the name back to Arctic Cat probably won't help them.
Stupid comment. Because a brand name makes things change???
@@camaro69green31 That's your opinion..
Awesome video. I suspect both units retail for about the same price?
Thank you. MSRP on Havoc is $17,299, only the one trim level currently available. General has several Trim levels from $16,299 to $21,499. Differences are primarily in factory installed accessories like roof, winches, fancier wheels, paint, etc.
MLS Powersports so you compare a base general which cost 1k less and has inferior suspension to the havoc. Whole video set the general up to fail
The price comparison if you were to compare, the one up from the base model which only includes eps costs more than the havoc so it would be a lose lose
Anyways, all the generals are the same except for accessories and rims
The Deluxe general comes with Fox qs3 suspension which would have made for a better comparison
It kinda gets next to you when someone is saying what they have is much better than what you went in debt to get. Truth is we may never know the truth. I research and then I buy. And if I’m happy with it your opinion is a waste of breath. An opinion is just someone’s thoughts on a particular subject and in no means the truth. Buy what you want and get ready because someone is going to say it’s junk. Kinda funny don’t you think. Not a Polaris guy but I did see some of the untruths in this video. Pulling the truck was the most obvious should have been done with the same tires on both. That worries me a little. Are they that dumb to not figure that out or do they think we are that dumb. Maybe they need to do some research before their next advertisement. Me I own a Honda pioneer 1000 5 deluxe. They have a long line of haters. But it puts a smile on my face every time I open my shed door.
It's a awesome SxS but needs a new name for branding purposes. They should buy the Walmart bicycle name MONGOOSE I think it could work it is a cool name lol then they can name their vehicles stuff like the WOMBAT, ARMADILLO, NITE HAWK AND OTHERS LIKE IT LOL.... DO YOU AGREE? Also yes someone else said something about the name 😂 but didn't get any responses so I'm trying
Yet Mongoose wasn't a Walmart name originally. Mongoose was started in California in a someone's garage but surely knew that... Walmart bought out someone else's name just as you are suggesting... Food for thought, Polaris has came a long way. They complete junk for MANY years....
Textron looks so dated
the General is a nice machine .but it's a toy next to the Havoc
That hood though... Talk about a poor first impression. The rest of it ain't half bad. Polaris sure has the styling game nailed down.
And don't set up the logs to specifically to have the General's front and back tires hit the two humps simultaneously, while the Havoc's longer wheelbase doesn't. The converse would be true with a different log setup which would do the same to the Havoc with converse results. Very disingenuous video. Might want to slow down the videography in the beginning to see the aesthetics clearly. Video makes the Havoc look like just another wanna' be. General's stock ground clearance is 12", yup a full 12 ", again disingenuous. There is really no comparison, but nice try.
Do you setup all the logs perfect on your trail?
Wooley Swamp Adventures notice how they also chose to use a base model general with garbage tires and a very basic shock setup. No doubt in my mind that the preload/ride height was set at the lowest setting. Then again, all of the brands bias their head to head shootouts.
foxracing16 No, I take them as they come, nor would I set them up perfectly to give an advantage to my machine while attempting to flaw the other.
With you ROTAXD, but they made it so obvious it's laughable.
I'm pretty sure the havoc was already in 4x4 on the logs and I'm sure they where just showing what you can get at the price point
I like the looks, love the color. Would really like to demo one.
Textron may have a really good product here, but their problem is going to be whether people are going to give them a chance or not. It might kind of suck for Textron at first but they really need to give out lots of demo rides and maybe even give away a few to certain parts of the country to get people's reviews and thoughts on the machine. It can't be the company and dealers themselves doing the reviews and the videos, it needs to be from customers that can be honest.
Let me have one for half price or something and I'll give you all kinds of videos and personal reviews.
And if there's any design issues Textron needs to be willing to get the problem fixed and resolved in a timely fashion.
The bottom A-Arms should have been arched, and the axles looks small from the video, they're likely going to be a problem. It was first advertised with 110 horsepower, they should have came with a 110 if not a 120 horsepower. Textron needs to not be comparable to the competition but blow them away. There's a lot of people that buy Utility side by sides because of the three seat option, I would much prefer this machine with three seats and I think it would be easy for them to make that adjustment. They should make it an either or option.
Curtis Bull the thing is...textron is clearly not going after the pure utility market. They're aiming for the crossover sport/ute niche market that the general is (almost) filling. I really don't think these machines would last in the farming or pure sport markets. Furthermore...the abject failure that is the wildcat will go a long way towards why people don't want to give textron a chance. Same thing with a/c's "kymco cat" atv's.
yes, they need to hand some out, I'll test them also
usind doulble shear points instead of ball joints, good shocks and very good ground clearance are examples of Textron engineering studies. They have also gone to a bench seat in the newer models.
The havoc is a blend of sport and utility. Look at the Prowler Pro for the farmer or hunter. The Wildcat XX just received the top UTV award. Textron is on the move.
Obvious on Whoop test with Load=Shock adjustment -Tow Test of 18k Lbs..OBVIOUS Polaris was in 4x4 Hi...So silly.
I'm sorry but this would be a better comparison if it was the general deluxe, it has the fox podiums 2.0 like the textron suspension which I believe is the 2.5. Not sure. And better tires on the general deluxe for the log test. Do this test over and the deluxe will come out on top on more these test
Same thing with to towing test. If the general didn't have such tall skinny tires am d had the more flat rack crawling style tires it would do probably just the same. I like both of these machines but your proving a bottom grade machine to another top of the line loaded machine
They compared the General that had the closest price point which is a very valid argument. You cannot compare 2 exact vehicles. Do you want to compare it on best suspension offered? best tires offered? Then forget about the extra $3200 in price? Might as well throw in a rzr turbo its only 4500 more lol The point is, the test was done with, "What can i buy for $17,000"
foxracing16 if people are looking at sxs price very rarely determines what they wind up purchasing. The price point bs is a snakeoil salesmansbway of comparing apples to oranges. Like comparing a base model 1/2 ton dodge to a ford raptor and claiming the price point is what makes it a more capable off road rig. If price point were the determining factor you'd see those rattle trap wildcats all over the place and can am would have never sold a single x3.
This video is so flawed😂
Case closed
I really dont think the havoc accelerates faster than the general. It was 500 pounds more
anyway polaris are just unreliable piece of shit lol some people love them and good for them but i will never own a polaris cuz the build quality is poor and the reliability is not present if i have to pay like 20 000 $ on a side by side it better be able to take me back home ....and not with 3 recall from the factory lol
the bs tow off is proof of the heaviest rig and off road heavy is BAD
Downvote for headache inducing music. In powersports, engine sounds are preferable to fake computer generated metal. Now, where's my Motrin?
Many have already stated it but the suspension are complete opposites. The base model general suspension is short of a dumpster fire. My Polaris general ride command has the podium 3 fox shox and performs far different. This was a shady attempt to push textron Garbage.
Havoc....what a cheap name.
The General got ripped off in this vid.
Use a better model next time cause you pretty much put a smart car against a Corolla.
Use the higher model general and it would be more like supra vs Corolla, supra being the higher model general of course.