CORN PLANTING 1980's Style

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  • Big tractor Power is out in the field with classic CASE IH tractors as they start the corn planting season. This video shows what corn plating looked like in the 1980's. Watch a 130 hp INTERNATIONAL 1086 tractor and 12 row row 30 ft KINZE 3200 corn planter seed the new crop. Working ahead of the planting team is a 210 hp STEIGER Wildcat III ST-210 tractor working on primary tillage with a Grain Planis 1300 Sub Soiler. Secondary tillage for seedbed preparation is completed by a 160 hp INTERNATIONAL 5288 with a 33ft Krause Field Cultivator and a CASE 800 with a 12ft cultimulcher.
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  • @philsfarmtoychannel4756
    @philsfarmtoychannel4756 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I seriously doubt these tractors of today will be working this hard after 30-40 years

    • @NielsvdBoom
      @NielsvdBoom ปีที่แล้ว

      That is what they said 30-40 years ago as well 😂.

  • @gwgillman1
    @gwgillman1 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Nothing like the Old Iron,the Days of Horse Power without 20k exhaust was Awesome

  • @fifagamer843
    @fifagamer843 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Happy Easter to everyone, greatings from Germany

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Happy Easter

    • @keaganfarms4400
      @keaganfarms4400 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He has risen ✝️🙏

    • @joegotz1971
      @joegotz1971 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Danka!

    • @kurtlikesoldmilwaukee9087
      @kurtlikesoldmilwaukee9087 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Happy Easter to you as well.

    • @nickkrnickkr
      @nickkrnickkr ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@keaganfarms4400 who? There’s been multitudes of “religions”, most that predate mainstream Christianity, that follow the exact same story model. Just wondering which one you were referring to. Interesting when you see for yourself.

  • @Hinesfarm-Indiana
    @Hinesfarm-Indiana ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Nothing wrong with older equipment, that’s what we run. Great video Jason 👍👍

    • @mfreund15448
      @mfreund15448 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It is paid for and profit is the only thing that matters

    • @Hinesfarm-Indiana
      @Hinesfarm-Indiana ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mfreund15448 yep that’s true 👍👍

    • @michaelmurray7199
      @michaelmurray7199 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mfreund15448 Profit is always nice, but creating meaningful jobs is just as nice.

    • @DanielHoevener
      @DanielHoevener ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gotta love that old iron

    • @Hinesfarm-Indiana
      @Hinesfarm-Indiana ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DanielHoevener that’s right 👍

  • @kevinwallace4751
    @kevinwallace4751 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The sound of that 1086 when he throttles up is just awesome. Love it. Thanks Jason for sharing 👍

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      IH DT engines have such a great sound. 👍👍

  • @Thewaywefarm
    @Thewaywefarm ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Great seeing older equipment still hard at work! Great video as always

  • @Snowtruckdriver
    @Snowtruckdriver ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My Dad was died in the wool John Deere BUT my uncle Hobart was International all the way. I grew up with both. Nice video.

  • @jankotze1959
    @jankotze1959 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The 1086 and 5288 featured here are awesome, the red paint make them stand out in the IH arena

    • @DanielHoevener
      @DanielHoevener ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those 5288s are great tractors

  • @Blazefork
    @Blazefork ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Looks like home, I plant with a 1086 and a 12 row Kinze RF

  • @patrickkelley438
    @patrickkelley438 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Those were the days, I wish I had been farming back then with my grandpa.

  • @freedomrings1420
    @freedomrings1420 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Beautiful old school tractors, just like me.

  • @blackwolfsurvival7434
    @blackwolfsurvival7434 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a sweet video. Reminds me of a much happier time when equipment had grunt and didn't have GPS and all those whatchamacallits

  • @MeredithFarms
    @MeredithFarms ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We’ve got a 930 case and a 1086 with a Kinze 2000 6/11…this will be our second year farming

  • @fatcattle4165
    @fatcattle4165 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm running a 4440 john deere I still like the old inters pure muscle 💪

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The John Deere 4440 is one of the all time greats. 👍👍

  • @josephhicks2939
    @josephhicks2939 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Very nice looking older tractors. This farm definitely takes care of their equipment. Thanks for doing what you do Jason.

  • @anthonylentini6278
    @anthonylentini6278 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    my son sez we are the 80s farmer but it works for us happy Easter everyone

  • @sharpshooter7127
    @sharpshooter7127 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's nice to see the old tractors still workin in the dirt

  • @billz410
    @billz410 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Boy that Steiger is having some traction problems! 🙂
    Nice to see the simpler machines again that are actually working under 10 MPH in the field.

    • @gashy1000
      @gashy1000 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes the Steiger is pulling fairly hard, right on the limit and totally agree with your comment about the working speed of machinery shown on here, I reckon most of them are traveling way too fast, particularly ploughing because it throws the soil to far and creates ridges in the paddock. I've said it a heap of times, a lot of the tractors could come back a gear or in some cases 2 and let the implement being pulled do it's job. cheers from Adelaide, South Australia.

  • @bigln3706
    @bigln3706 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Going back about 40 years, we had a case 800 with a wide front end and a Diesel engine with a case o matic transmission. We used that tractor for everything. Plowing, planting, haying. Great little tractor!

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      Very cool. The 800s were built to last.

  • @joemarchinski914
    @joemarchinski914 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I ran a 1486 in Ct. and also a 4586.. along with many Fords of all sizes and our Mudder which was a 4 wheel drive Case. dont remember the exact model, 5 speed hi/lo with 5' tall tires... it always ran hot as hell ..I really do miss the farm

  • @justadudeonaphone3927
    @justadudeonaphone3927 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Feels like home, we have a 1066, 5288, farmall 300 utility and 400 heck we even have a kinze to match. Best of luck this year to a farm that seams so similar.

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      You have a very cool cool lined up of Red Power.

  • @douglassellers7528
    @douglassellers7528 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That old equipment still getting the job done. That's cool. Love it.

  • @killianfritz5840
    @killianfritz5840 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love old IH equipment. I grew up in the late 90s/early 00's, but my grandpa used 70s/80s IH equipment up until he retired from farming about 10 or so years ago.

  • @peanutsmith1462
    @peanutsmith1462 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love the old iron there paid for and you can work on them

  • @alanellis9158
    @alanellis9158 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice to see the oldies blowing the cobwebs out,the little Case looked as if it could turn on a dime!. The big Stieger sure was getting a good workout pulling that subsoiler in what looked to be quite hard and dry soil.

  • @joelluehrs6143
    @joelluehrs6143 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video, l'm a big IH fan. Years ago we farmed with a 966,1086, and 4386. Now we are bigger and do everything with
    Quad track 4 wheel drives

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice IH tractors. I have filmed a 4586 and 4786. I hope to film a 4386 this spring.

  • @King_Randy
    @King_Randy ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Pure muscle 💪

  • @scottpykare801
    @scottpykare801 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very enjoyable video Jason. To watch all kinds of equipment getting the crop planted is always a plus. Spring HAS sprung!!

  • @bryanschwertner3585
    @bryanschwertner3585 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow! Case 800! Ours is a 1959 LP Case o matic model. After years of constant use and a few in frames and a tranny slide shaft repair, it was semi retired. We moved back out here in 02 to help out and after 2004 when Daddy retired it was used just for about 7 acres of weed shredding and light plowing, scrap moving etc. The tranny got so loud I retired it and replaced it with a L4701 Kubota. For plowing the 800 was better. For weed cutting the Kubota with HST is better. Thanks for this episode!

  • @JacobDoffing42
    @JacobDoffing42 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The farm I work for uses a John Deere 8120 with window tints and an 8 row 30" spaced John Deere 1750 planter to plant corn. They use a JD 9220 to pull a 48' JD 1060 field cultivator for seed bed preparation.

  • @timjorden8329
    @timjorden8329 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I enjoy these videos just as much as seeing the biggest and newest equipment at work. This farm has beautiful classic equipment.

  • @derrickzenner9300
    @derrickzenner9300 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The 10 and 52 look perfect

  • @siegfriedacker7682
    @siegfriedacker7682 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, all of the tractors on that farm are in a realy nice shape, they look like brand new, although, they are up to 60 years old 😮. And the newest is around 40years.😊
    Best regards from Germany

  • @philsfarmtoychannel4756
    @philsfarmtoychannel4756 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The hum of these working engines is the best sound! And the smell of that diesel I always like that too! Something about old IH tractors with white wheels I just love. I guess that's from my favorite IH the 1206.

  • @steveguel752
    @steveguel752 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really appreciate videos like this where each aspect is explained in such detail. Thank you for all that you do.

  • @mhar805633
    @mhar805633 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, this video takes me back to the 70's and 80's growing up on the farm. Our main tractors back then were a 706, 1086, and a Steiger Panther. Spent a lot of time in all 3 as a kid. thanks for the video and bringing back some memories.

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      What a great line up. I grew up around farms like yours in the 70’s and 80’s. Red row crops and lime green 4wds. When I saw a Panther in a farm yard I thought wow now they are farming. It was a great era.

  • @Husker3435
    @Husker3435 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most favorite yet, nothing better than an 86 and 88 series IH…best looking rigs IMO

  • @scottmichaels2538
    @scottmichaels2538 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We do all our heavy work like disking, field cultivating & put anhydrous on with TW-35 ford with MFWD. All of our planting & spraying is done with a 4030 John Deere, we also have a ford 5000 for mowing & other light work

  • @kennethcarlton2860
    @kennethcarlton2860 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video . We used a 1026 ih to plant the moved to a1456 and for working the field we went from a 1456 on a field cultivator up to a 4368 pulling a field cultivator . Thanks for showing a planter that used the markers . I remember a few fields with the planter couldn't use the markers because of a failure in a line or something & after the corn was ready for cultivation it was hard to find the right rows for skipping a few rows for the customer wanted

  • @jamesellis9578
    @jamesellis9578 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have to admit I’m a green fan,but I love all this old iron regardless the color

  • @chadsmith14
    @chadsmith14 ปีที่แล้ว

    The turbo on that ten when it turned around and he had it luggin lil bit, you can't get no better than that

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree. The sound of an IH DT engine is great.

  • @SimonKL11
    @SimonKL11 ปีที่แล้ว

    1980's style is always great👍😁 I love to see older equipment still working hard👍💪

  • @buszekdori2558
    @buszekdori2558 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wszystkiego Najlepszego w te Święta dla oglądających i Jason dla Ciebie i Rodziny! Alleluja!

  • @markkeister6057
    @markkeister6057 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy Easter. That 5288 is such a sharp lookin tractor.

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      Happy Easter. The 5288 is a nice tractor.

  • @richardjohnson5883
    @richardjohnson5883 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These guys equipment will be running long after any of these newer machines are dead and gone. We have a 966, 3088,574 and 684.

  • @jiggyquinn5635
    @jiggyquinn5635 ปีที่แล้ว

    Big 1980's MINT! thank you

  • @andywintz959
    @andywintz959 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, 1086 is always a favorite tractor of mine to see.

  • @nathanalmond8280
    @nathanalmond8280 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy Easter. Thanks for sharing the video. Good looking machinery. Still working and costing a lot less than the new equipment. I run red tractors. They will be there when the rest are in the junkyard. My opinion of course. Especially the earlier magnums. I always enjoy your content regardless what brand of equipment it is. That's the farmer in me and yes I grew up in the late 70's 80's era too. Remember scooping a lot of fertilizer in the planter. I still believe it was a good thing. Take care.

  • @williamhalpin6713
    @williamhalpin6713 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like that old cultimulcher wheels on the outside like we used way back years ago

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember those still being around WNY in the early 80’s. Do you think this one is a John Deere? I could not tell from the rust but it did not look like a Brillion frame.

    • @williamhalpin6713
      @williamhalpin6713 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigtractorpower it looks like a Deere, tires and wheels on the outside always caught things, I ought to know. Halpin's sold Brillion also till I believe the late 60s

  • @koolman2021
    @koolman2021 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video thanks for sharing

  • @johnrhoades7766
    @johnrhoades7766 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved this video!! And all the old school tractors

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you enjoyed. It was a fun day in the field filming.

  • @wingrider687
    @wingrider687 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the classic iron!!

  • @John-jg5dh
    @John-jg5dh ปีที่แล้ว

    Great IH video!

  • @ertlerik
    @ertlerik ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Happy Easter, great video 👍

  • @clintonstubbs2319
    @clintonstubbs2319 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those IH DT engines sounded good under throttle. Great video Big Tractor Power and Happy Easter!

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      Happy Easter. The IH DT is my favorite engine sound.

  • @williamcoats475
    @williamcoats475 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great to see! Make a lot more money that way! I’m all for it. Keep up the great videos!

  • @rongrose3746
    @rongrose3746 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this “ older “ equipment!!

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      It was fun being out in the field filming it all.

  • @masoncarlisle363
    @masoncarlisle363 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the straight piped red power on display, but a big hand for the operator running a 12ft cultimulcher between two vastly wider implements. I know they gave him time, but I felt pressure just watching this.

  • @johnmessinajr.2591
    @johnmessinajr.2591 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy Easter Jason! Love hearing that throttle crack on that 1086!!! 😍 The 5288 looks and sounds good too! Nothing wrong with the red dogs! Good reliable iron built to last. The old Case gas tractor was sharp too.

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      Happy Easter. Those IH DT engines have such a great sound.

  • @garlandhenry6792
    @garlandhenry6792 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful 👍

  • @philippriegler9623
    @philippriegler9623 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Happy Easter!

  • @bambam6053
    @bambam6053 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy Easter great video of love to know how farms that run all Old Iron like this compare to farms of similar size running new equipment as far as yields

  • @jamesjolly7406
    @jamesjolly7406 ปีที่แล้ว

    👋 hi 👋 from Dexter,Missouri my friend.
    Super amazin video. As always.

  • @kurtreinhardt6789
    @kurtreinhardt6789 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great looking tractors

  • @mr.whatever2435
    @mr.whatever2435 ปีที่แล้ว

    That 1086 is very nice 👍

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      One of the top selling IH tractors. 👍👍

  • @AkbarMoncongloe
    @AkbarMoncongloe ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome brother 👌

  • @jimmystrain883
    @jimmystrain883 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the old tractors

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      These were fun to see all of these classics in the same field.

  • @markreetz1001
    @markreetz1001 ปีที่แล้ว

    That looked familiar. Been around for awhile!😄

  • @Olivermansuper66
    @Olivermansuper66 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That it an awsome looking tractors keep up the videos

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is a nice classic line up.

    • @Olivermansuper66
      @Olivermansuper66 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bigtractorpower for sure in may I might get an old Massey Harris 444 any facts on it and if it is a good tractor let me know

  • @NMM91
    @NMM91 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    yes this is cool

  • @farmboy5622
    @farmboy5622 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Happy Resurrection Day!!!

  • @duanehenicke6602
    @duanehenicke6602 ปีที่แล้ว

    JD 4640 pfwd and duals pulling JD 960 28' field cultivator. Brand new monosem 6 row 38" spacing on 4440 with duals. Finally got away from planting on beds. Wanted bigger planter. Couldn't afford it.

  • @frankscruggs4749
    @frankscruggs4749 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video.

  • @keenankelley187
    @keenankelley187 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Best deal of all no Def..

  • @Dextamartijn
    @Dextamartijn ปีที่แล้ว

    Happy Easter 🐣

  • @Johnny53kgb-nsa
    @Johnny53kgb-nsa 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd like to see how the farm's maintain their equipment. Thanks.

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Here is a service truck video I made posted at th-cam.com/video/X7jZ8GHavsU/w-d-xo.html

  • @justinbradley193
    @justinbradley193 ปีที่แล้ว

    We use a John Deere 7320 tractor and John Deere 1755 corn planter to plant corn. And a challenger mt 665e tractor and John Deere 1590 drill to plant soybeans. We do no till on the corn and plant our soybeans into a vertical till pass from our salford 2200 from last fall.

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      Very cool line up. The 1755 is a cool and hood planter.

  • @larry4082
    @larry4082 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! I can hear Johnny Cash and Loretta Lynn playing on the radio….

  • @tugboat2739
    @tugboat2739 ปีที่แล้ว

    Howdy bigtractorpower

  • @chrisfoulk4715
    @chrisfoulk4715 ปีที่แล้ว

    All of our tillage tractors are from the 70's and 80's. 4320 and 4450 JD, 1486 IH. Use a IH 490 disk, wilrich field cultivator and a Kewanee cultimulcher.

  • @dellsnook9203
    @dellsnook9203 ปีที่แล้ว

    We use an international 3088 with a John Deere 1750 planter to no-till corn

  • @paulpochan9631
    @paulpochan9631 ปีที่แล้ว

    Old School....!!!

  • @404nitro
    @404nitro ปีที่แล้ว

    Great to see all the older equipment all working together like this. What type of combine do they run ?

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It was a fun day in the field. They have a 1688 Axial-Flow I hope to film this fall.

    • @404nitro
      @404nitro ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigtractorpower That'll be cool too.

  • @timnichols9015
    @timnichols9015 ปีที่แล้ว

    MX 270, JD4850. JD4430. Planter is a PT1200 16/31. The older stuff is definitely the most dependable!

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      Very nice line up. The 1200 was a big advancement for the Early Riser planter line.

  • @craigrudd6093
    @craigrudd6093 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my first tractor was a 986 which i still have

  • @danielakin7638
    @danielakin7638 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still plant with an IH 1586 and work all the ground with a Case IH 7140

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      Very nice team. The 1586 is a cool tractor.

  • @ericsmith1453
    @ericsmith1453 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How does the yield compare to crops planted by modern high tech equipment?

  • @TFunguy10
    @TFunguy10 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I know a guy named kemper who started his carrer on tractors like this and his cousin

  • @paulofrancisco565
    @paulofrancisco565 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍👍👏👏

  • @jamesjolly7406
    @jamesjolly7406 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👍

  • @robertburt9071
    @robertburt9071 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mike you have any information on the 4000 air planter It was a big thing in the seventies in Ontario Canada thanks 👍

  • @red_power79
    @red_power79 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ih 856 tillage. 450 farmall and 4 row white 5100 planter corn and beans. Also do some hay

  • @paulprillwitz9901
    @paulprillwitz9901 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @michaelvogel2522
    @michaelvogel2522 ปีที่แล้ว

    It was awesome showing how hard that ripper pulled with the excessive wheel -slip, it looks like 40hp per shank is needed. Could you also give the field weighted spec and maximum pull data with your specs.

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว

      It definitely shows how hard the ground gets and why subsoiling helps open it up for the next crops roots.
      I do have full spec videos. This one was just to show how these tractirs all work together.
      Here is a spec video on the Case 800 th-cam.com/video/i_SjKojv8Y0/w-d-xo.html and one on the Steiger Wildcat III th-cam.com/video/DRetmgT_yXU/w-d-xo.html

    • @nellsonstout7001
      @nellsonstout7001 ปีที่แล้ว

      With 23.1x30 duals all around, and no fluid added, a wildcat 3 is 22,260 pounds according to the Nebraska tests.

  • @flyhigh5056
    @flyhigh5056 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ford 8N and Deere Model B in use for me.

  • @loonbedrijfbongers1954
    @loonbedrijfbongers1954 ปีที่แล้ว

    💪

  • @JohnBryant-qc5zg
    @JohnBryant-qc5zg 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👍

  • @miniaturefarmer464
    @miniaturefarmer464 ปีที่แล้ว

    All of this equipment can be repaired by the owners. That is saying something.

  • @kennethmichael6011
    @kennethmichael6011 ปีที่แล้ว

    Raise the hitch on that kinze

  • @julio6772
    @julio6772 ปีที่แล้ว

    A good classic, it's also the Hesston 1880, don't you think?

    • @bigtractorpower
      @bigtractorpower  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I sure want to film a HESSTON 1880 DT. I have been kinda looking around to buy one because they are so hard to find.

    • @julio6772
      @julio6772 ปีที่แล้ว

      @bigtractorpower 😄😄 Ah yes, but they were very strong. And they have that vintage Italian Pininfarina design. What times those