I'm more pantheist than anything, I don't believe in the afterlife (I think it's a highly flawed concept) but I love the idea of people dying happily and hopefully. I actually encourage religion, as long as no shitnuts take it too far lol
I do buy those. From Spear of Longinus to ultra-anarcho leftie Disrupt. Politics corrupt your soul and feed you shit, that's why i don't belong to any political direction. They're all snowflakes.
"No one listens to misogynistic or racist extreme metal and walks away with this grand valuable new world view" You could have dropped the mic after that!
Thanks for the video response! I agree that you are not immune to criticism for the themes seeing as you said, it works both ways. I just think this is the sort of thing most people should be aware of when they start getting into extreme metal. They should be aware these themes exist and if they want to stand against those themes, then thats fine, but at the end of the day, does it effect your life if I listen to a Graveland record? No. I just think people should pick their battles and demonizing someone for their choice of music isn't one of those battles.
+CountBlagorath Agree 100%. If you're walking into this genre you should know what you're getting into. You can't start buying up extreme metal records and then think it's your job to change extreme metal from the inside. That shit doesn't always work. You can't walk into someone else's house and demand that they change the wallpaper. You're more than welcome to voice your opinion on the subject...but don't be surprised if the people that live there kick you out. At the end of the day, I think people are welcome to say what they don't like...but this mentality of "you have to agree with what I think" is a load of shit. Now, of course, I can personally wish you wouldn't purchase Graveland records (haha!) but I fully support your right to buy them to your heart's content!
+Myke C-Town I was going to make a video but you put it far better than I was going to. Yes, what generally bothers me is people coming into extreme metal and pissing on the rug ("that rug really tied the room together"). You can speak out against it, you can choose not to listen to it and not support the content that offends you but it bothers me when you listen to extreme metal and then want to put unreasonable limitations on it. I'm always worried that the extreme end of political correctness is going to invade what should be a free zone from that kind of censoring mentality.
Very thought-provoking video. When you surround yourself with this type of music and subject matter, it's very easy to become numb to it and not even give it a second thought.
The problem with anti-muslim ideas is that they are very closely related to racism, not only that people uses muslim and Middle Eastern/South Asian interchangeably (to the point where Sikhs have been the victim of anti-muslim attacks) , but that muslims in the western world faces discrimination and violence because in ways that christians don't. If people want to criticise religion than that is fine, but incentivising discrimination is not.
@Bili Warren you really missed the point. Those that are anti-religious can only be anti-religious and treat all religion as bad. But there are some that are anti-religious but have an obsession with people of Middle Eastern accent.
I have more pertinent things to do in my life than boycott a racist or misogynist artists work, but if someone else feels like they must, go for it. Overall I just don't fuck with people that don't fuck with what I believe in. Face to face, I'll crack some heads though.
I'm a big fan of more usual black metal and a while back I thought "hey, NSBM bands have horrible ideologies sure, but I'll check out some of the music before I come to a definitive conclusion". I listened to a bunch of bands, and every single one had music that was as knuckleheaded and unimaginative as their views are. A real dead end of music in all respects imho
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I pretty much entirely agree you on this. If listen to black or death metal, I don't *really* care that much what the hell they are singing about. At the same time, people have every right to care, and they have every right to be shocked or offended, esp if they are the ones being attacked.
So, people who can't ignore idiots, right? People have the right to not liking everybody on this planet. Today i feels like people want ultrabrutal metal music while they are super soft themselves and don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
@@Knochenbrigade The opposite side of that same coin is that those same bands get butt hurt over the fact that promoters cancel their shows or don't want to book them in the first place because of their lyrical themes. People and especially artists should be allowed to say anything they want freely and openly. Meaning there should never be a law against it. That doesn't mean that your words have no real world consequences. If a venue chooses to cancel your show or refuse to book you that is a real life consequence. It is not treading on freedom of speech because venues are not government institutions and are therefore, not obligated to give anyone a soapbox to stand on. When artists complain about this it highlights two things. Certain artists claiming to hate the people who voice an opinion about their lyrical content but they still want those same people's money. And the second thing is that it proves how mindless a lot of "shocking" content really is. If an artists really stands behind what they are writing then being "cancelled" shouldn't bother them. They should be proud of the fact that they are so offensive. I doubt GG Allen ever shed a tear over being cancelled and he really lived the shit that he sang about. But I don't think half of these artists even believe in the things they are writing about. If you use racism or whatever stupid lyrical theme as a way to get attention you can't get mad about the type of attention you get. And if you are an idiot who truly belives in bullshit race theories or whatever the fuck then you already know you are out of step with most people and it shouldn't come as a surprise. Especially in a scene that runs parallel to the punk/hardcore/crust scenes, and whether blackmetal heads like it or not they do share something of a common fanbase with these scenes and therefore can't be completely removed from scene politics. Do I agree with every single cancellation? No. But I don't own a venue so I have no right to tell a club owner or promoter that they are obligated to book a band because of freedom of speech. And that's not what freedom of speech is in the first place.
You said most of the things I would have said. I don't have much to add. In my opinion the freedom to ignore is more fundamental then the freedom to speak. My opinion on this stuff changed as I got older. When I was younger I loved the "sport" of trying to be offensive as possible. However, by the time I turned 30 I found almost all attempt to shook me as either irritating or pathetic. Just give me some honesty and insight. Fuck all the other bullshit. Keep up the videos
Man, you are the coolest guys ever. At first, watching dead end videos I thought you were the stereotypical angry black man of the group, but now I know you are a very intellectually gifted and articulate man, and I am so glad I subscribed. Kudos Myke. May I get to enjoy your videos and your opinions for a long, long time.
I think your thoughts on separating the art and the artist or the context is a pretty hard concept for a lot of people to follow especially when people talk about albums and musicians that have been regarded to such a high degree. I personally think Loveless by MBV for example wouldn't be held in such a high regard by the music press and community if people didn't discuss the context or the musicians themselves. (IE the bankruptcy of the of label and the extremely long recording sessions)
+EastCoastLow Absolutely. It's a hard concept for people to wrap their heads around. And an even harder one to put into practice. But I'm just saying that. if they could, it would be helpful as far as preserving the idea of art.
I bought that MBV LP in 1991, and have never researched the back story. I just hear how groundbreaking it is with my ears, not from what I read or not. I find that theory in that specific case completely off. But I'd agree if you talked about Burzum.
Lol I've never heard it put dat way but it's so real tho. Band: -offends- Peeps: -offended- Band: -shocked pikachu face- Fans: YOU DONT UNDERSTAND Thx for vid
To jack one of your lines, thank you for being you! This was so excellent and articulated in a way that I never could the BEST response to all of the crap metal fans are asked to 'defend'.
Sorry if you addressed it here and I missed it, but how do you feel about artists that hold sexist/racist/homophobic/etc. beliefs but don't address them in their lyrics or musical themes? Do you still find that it affects how you listen to the music or whether or not you support the artist? I'm getting more and more into black metal, and it's like I'll find a band that holds NS beliefs but mainly writes songs about nature, but I still don't feel 100% right about listening to it. Bigoted stuff is all I really care about though. Gore is whatever. I can't understand what they're saying most of the time anyway, so it doesn't make much of a difference.
+Teej Hastie I don't personally care about a band's personal beliefs when it comes to simply listening to the music. I draw the line at monetary support. Meaning I won't buy or promote a band if the members are outspoken bigots. I'll download their albums and listen to the music all day though.
I love extreme metal myself as well but I too avoid (or try to at least) the ones who do contain racist themes. One I can think of was Peste Noire, I hear good things about em and the first thing I seen from them was an Aryan Supremacy demo? Err... Not tryna bother with that. - Whoever reads this and loves that band keep on rocking man, I ain't the audio police. I just don't like that particular type of seasoning on my food if you know what I mean. I, like Mike respect peoples rights to create/say what they want, but like Mike said again Freedom Of Speech doesnt mean you cant get checked for what you say. I remember Mike talking about policing the N word saying how he's not gunna spend his time telling people who can and cant say it and just avoid the morons (who shouldnt) that do. That's pretty much my take on the metal and metalheads that fall into this particular topic of discussion.
+BlackoutChamber Hey, a few thoughts about Peste Noire. I'm going to assume that you don't speak / read French (feel free to correct me if I'm mistaking). As a native French speaker I'm must say that most of this band's lyrics are written in quite a goofy and caricatural way. It is really difficult to take them seriously to be honest. And I'm not saying that because the lyrics are so stupid that they become funny, I'm saying that because it feels like it was genuinely written in a comedic way. If anything, his lyrics are parody of actual racist lyrics. But I do get that from the outside it might look like that, it's just that the subtleties that makes his work hilarious in French are more likely to be lost in translation (especially when he writes stuff in middle age French).
+SeaOfVomit You're welcome :) If you want to check Peste Noire, try "l'Ordure A l'Etat Pur", I think it's his best work by far : it's pushing the boundaries of the genre, it's ambitious and complex but never gets boring IMO. Even if you don't like it, it will still be an interesting listen.
+DreamPurpleFloyd He's flat out said he's a "racialist" which I think it just as lame and corny as being a racist. He tries to cloak his bullshit in this "all cultures have the right to exist...just separately." So sure...his ideology is slightly better than pure racists...but it's still garbage. This whole trying to make strong distinctions between racism and racialism is just stupid to me. All that to say...it doesn't really matter that his lyrics aren't racist if he, himself, is.
Myke, you blew my mind. eloquent expressionism at its finest. I needed this because I found out that my childhood favorite metal band perpetuated a racist ideology. Not in their lyrics, but in their everyday life. I concur with your sentiment. I support their right to their expression, however, fuck them! I will just burn all their shit. I have the power to control whom I support and although I will miss them, I am better off not supporting any type of people who promote hierarchy based upon something as divisive as phenotype. This vid was a wake up call as I was ambivalent as to what to do. Not to mention, it was quite prophetic bc this was before the orange ass clown was president. Instant sub and thank you .
Well said - Freedom of Speech is not Freedom of Consequences. Honestly as a white boy I have my grievances with some of our brown compatriots but spewing mindlessly Nazi hate just because somebody happens to be born different doesn't make sense to me
I don't think the messages will effect the marketability in Metal. Not because Metal is not a valid genre, but because it is consistently underground stuff. Until Metal (especially Metal with these particular offensive themes) becomes more widely accepted and listened to then their themes will receive more attention. The underground of any scene can pretty much do as it pleases because the general public's opinion is not regarded.
+Bartholomule01 Well that's the problem. Extreme metal is being pushed into the mainstream which is why you have these people who don't get it complaining about extreme themes.
I think an interesting video would be you discussing what constitutes as art. Even if you take the position that all that is created is art, which I personally have never agreed with, it would be interesting to see you defend that position. Obviously anyone who loves art can talk forever about that subject, but I would like to hear your opinion on the matter, and maybe spark a good dialogue in the comments. Either way, thanks for this video as well as all your others, been one of my favorite youtubers for some time. Have a good night man.
+Kevin Ruta That's a great one. Here's another question : Is Justin Bieber (and pop stars in general) really an artist or is he just a performer and singer?
+Kevin Ruta I don't know that there's much I could say there. Art = the various branches of creative activity, such as painting, music, literature, and dance. People get confused with art being something that they can personally enjoy. Which is stupid. You can personally believe in good and bad art...but art is still art.
+CarlHH777 Justin Bieber was a bad example for me to use. I should have said someone like...say...Taylor Swift. Someone who actually creates their art vs just repeats what someone gives them.
Panzer division marduk is an album about a fictional world war 2 exept with satan instead of hitler. The whole album sounds like a war machine rolling over the world and the lyrics is what makes the drums sound like machinegun fire and explotions. Actually the lyrics compliment the music in a way no other black metal band ive heard. Is this worse than a computer game where hitler is trying to kill you?
It really boils down to this. Lyricism in extreme metal has always been about shock value, provoking a reaction. No-one of any intelligence really believes that it's acceptable to pull viscera from a Virgin's nether regions. It's entertainment. As far as I know, the overwhelming majority of metal musicians have never claimed that their lyrics were anything else either.
+Peanut Butter Knife Fight I agree to a degree. Sure some of this shit is entertainment for some. Specifically the silly brutalization shit you're talking about when it comes to women. But some of the other stuff (racist or homophobic material) I believe to be based in reality.
Great points. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean you have to listen. I mean, c'mon. Saying "extreme metal is too extreme" is like saying "punk rock has too many anti-government/anti-establishment messages."
So basically what I got from this video was let people say what they want but let the free market work itself out. If people are saying outrageous things then other people won't buy their music. I don't think its cool for people to say homophobic or racial things but I don't believe it should be censored. I believe we should allow them to do whatever the hell they want and allow the people to respond however they want even if that means they sell very few records because only a few want to hear that.
+brayden edwards Nah, bro. You didn't come off hostile. I just didn't understand why that needed to be said. I don't care about people's political affiliations but I tend to disagree with the vast majority of what the average Republican believes. But I just didn't see any correlation between what I was talking about and Republican policies. But it's cool.
I listen to extreme metal for the overall sound of the music and I don't really care about lyrics that much, I listen to a lot of death metal and usually it's just mindless bullshit about killing people anyways so I don't pay attention to the lyrics unless they're actually good or well written.
"Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences." I think you mean "freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism or reaction (the turn to justified violent reaction when someone intentionally ridicules your race)."
Sorry? Maybe I'm stupid or missing something but most of the bands I have read lyrics from don't have misogynistic/racist/homophobic themes? I don't always read all the lyrics but it doesn't seem THAT prevalent.
I actually should rephrase that I suppose. I guess a more accurate observation is that I don't see anything "offensive" that most people listening to the music (including me) would actually take seriously even enough to be offended by. Not to mention I'm more prone to listen to prone to listen to older Black or Death bands that have satanic/esoteric/fantasy themes then I am shit like Pornogrind.
For example as much as I enjoy Mortician or Devourment to throw out some big names and presumably "offenders," I have never for a second taken any of their imagery or lyrical content seriously.
+Ethan Armijo LOL Devourment - Baby Killer is a perfect example. I mean I don't think anyone takes offense to it but people who don't listen to extreme metal comment on the song like "omg wtf etc etc" and that's what is being talked about here.
Very interesting video. Been a music fan all my life and a metal supporter since I was 17 (I'm 44 now). But when I was in college I despised extreme metal (not on lyrical grounds but just because of how it sounded) I am very much in to extreme metal now (black metal much more so than death metal). I agree that some of the fans in the genre can be ignorant fuckers but I refuse to let ignorant fuckers prevent me from listening to the music or being open that I like the music. I will be attending Black Sabbaths farewell concert in Dublin next year and have a shiny new Burzum tee shirt to wear. I am not making a statement about Varg Vikernes political views I am saying that Burzum rocks me but I am prepared to give an account of myself if anyone interacts with me (afterall as metallers we all know that one of the purposes of wearing the tee shirts is to see if anyone else digs the band also). I have had some arguments in comments with NSBM types who all strike me as folks who paint their prejudices on to the music rather than much of this music being particularly right-wing. Anyway, I am glad you are sharing your views Myke, keep up the good work.
I think part of this never-ending debate is heavily in debt to the politically correct world we live in nowadays, where people are constantly up-in-arms about every little non-issue out there. Who cares if a band is writing "offensive" lyrics, last I checked we had freedom of speech in America, which doesn't mean "just the freedom for things I like, everything else is banned." Like Myke states, if a band is putting out music that offends you - just don't listen to it or buy it. Getting worked up about something that doesn't affect you in the slightest is a waste of energy and frankly, more indicative of the sad state of your own purposeless life. Lastly, I think most intelligent metal fans all realize the common themes in extreme metal like murder, suicide, violence, drug use, etc are usually just part of the "aesthetic" of these genres, sometimes even in a tongue-in-cheek manner that I'm sure hardly reflects any of the musicians own ways of life. Unless of course they are complete assholes like Varg, in which case... yeah. But at least Burzum's music is good, unlike the personal characteristics of the artist behind the music.
FYI, Metalsucks managed to write an article on the fact that Liturgy (not a fan but a good example) were featured on Whats in My Bag and they did not buy a single metal record... I'm not surprised but any of the bullshit that comes out of that website. If you like it listen to it, if not then don't listen to it. Also, if anyone came up to my friends and shouted racist abuse at them i'd kick the fuck out of them
+Nihilist Breakfast See...that's kinda what I mean. MetalSucks seems to be in the market of provoking people to talk about them. And we keep falling for it. Who gives a fuck if the guys in Liturgy buy music other than metal? Why is that grounds for a whole article? So lame.
+Remy Godwell Who said Deicide has racist songs? Not sure where you got that from. As far as a racist song from Malevolent Creation: th-cam.com/video/qWcmQ5sOkuw/w-d-xo.html. That was very easily found through Google.
I find it concerning if someone bitches about "sexist" lyrics but not about lyrics that talk about torture, murder, genocide etc..... I think such people need to think about their mindset and values.
+Bastard Species There's a huge difference. Sexism is a lot more rampant than murder. Your average person that you may run into on a daily basis will have inherent misogynistic ideas whether they know it or admit it or not. The same can't be said about murder. It would be a lot easier to convince someone to reassess their views on women than it would be to convince them to think about murder in a positive light. Sexism is a very real thing. And murder is, too, but again...I think one is a lot more prevalent in people's minds. Sure, we should be bothered by both...but the sexist, racist or homophobic lyrics would affect me a lot more.
+Bastard Species I just said why. One is furthering a very real message that most people harbor...the other is glamorizing something that very few people would actually participate in. Again, I think both are stupid, but one feels worse to me.
Myke C-Town Well, it is a matter of opinion. Some don't care about the lyrics, others do and some just don't want a certain type of lyrics in their music.
+Bastard Species Word. And that's everyone's individual right. People need to stop attacking and accusing people based on their music tastes. It's idiotic. Everyone gets to choose what they're offended by and it's no one else's responsibility to tell someone what they should be offended by.
Regarding racism in metal, I haven't really seen much other than from the typical NSBM crowd or a particular lovely statement made by Malevolent Creation. Death metal and thrash metal don't seem to have many racist bands or views. Of course, black metal has always been open to ideological views of all kinds, typically right-wing. But other than NSBM, I don't see racism, or homophobia, as being all that prevalent in metal in general.
The only thing that is really prominent is anti-religious themes. Coming from someone who believes in a God/superior-being idgaf lol. Black metal is fucking awesome and I see the reason behind being anti-religious but it forms these idiotic fans to think every religious person is fucking idiot just reflecting their own idiocies.
I love death metal and black metal , I am not racist nor satanist however one point when I was gullible took it extremely serious to the point . Guess what I found out later on im bisexual now. I am about the music love , the fast music the vocals etc. Now I respect Cretin . All it is , like a horror movie . Iike Marilyn Manson and David Bowie like Burzum also Hipster Black Metal! Even Raw Bm! I respect this guys view!
Isn't metal supposed to reflect the darkest aspects of humanity? It's showing us the very depths of our spyche that many of us are afraid to realize. What topics could be better for that than racism, greed, gluttony, morbid curiosity and misogyny?
If you buy a mint copy you are supporting the artist. You bought it from someone who in turn bought it in the hopes of selling it. And besides, stock might be replaced. If you buy a used copy things may be a little different.
Just a side note. Doesnt add or take away from any of your points, which i overwhelmingly agree with, but in the case of islam, you cant say every member of islam willingly made that choice. Many people live in theocracys and will be beheaded in the streets for apostasy. I suppose from a philosophical stand point people can think whatever they want. But from a practical standpoint. Im sure there are a good chunk of muslims who would ditch the religion in a instant. Especially in places like Iran and Egypt. Im sure you know this. I just wanted to mention that as a sort of caviot.
Sure. That's totally a fair point. But I'd imagine those that are forced into the religion would, most likely, not be the ones getting mad when the religion is criticized. Or maybe I'm wrong about that...
As long as it sound good I, and many metalheads, dont don't what the lyrical themes are, thats why Aryan blood has a strong cult following, none of their listeners agree with their ideologies they just like the music. But yeah dont listen to a band of you don't agree with them, i miss out on all of stoner doom bands and bands like acid witch cause drugs had a negative effect on my family life but i dont tell other people to stop listening to music like that or stop making it
This video is still relevant. I enjoy artists of all beliefs, stupid or not, but i find it hilairous when white people act special cause they like some NS band.
The argument that they can choose theyr religion depends on the kind of anti muslim/jew people. For example the nazis dont care if one believes something, for them jews are a race. Same goes for some anti islam people.
+UnBruin I'm not really making a statement on how someone perceives you. I'm saying I don't give a shit if someone insults Christians or Muslims because you are choosing to be a part of that religion.
+Myke C-Town i get your point, im just saying. I have no problem with anti religious lyrics btw, normaly its kinda obvious where the really racist things start
Haven't watched the video yet but I definitely think some are. I mean there are some black metal bands that are genuinely white supremacist nazi's, and it makes me apprehensive to check out some of the older black metal bands even though I really like black metal. As far as misogynist music, I definitely think there is some out there too. Though I can differentiate between fiction and reality. I've listened to some death metal that's about women being torn up and raped by thorn monsters, but I know that is fiction. The bands that really strike me as misogynist are some of these post hardcore and metalcore bands. Idk if I just grew out of it, but I can't listen to some of the bands that I used to like from those genres. A lot of those bands have a lot of sexually frustrated and aggressive lyrics towards women and say some rapey shit.
+Myke C-Town Bands like Dance Gavin Dance, Alesana, Asking Alexandria. Idk if I'm using the right sub genre here, but personally when I think of misogynistic I think of these really angsty bands who have lyrics with a lot of sexual frustration and slurs. Or bands like DGD that describe some pretty fuzzy scenes that sound like date rape.
Racism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Child Abuse are not compatible with Metal, in my Oppinion. I mean there is no Flesh and no shitty Ideology in Hell, or so. And the true innocent are precious. Infant Annihilator are great at the instrumental Part, but their Lyrics make me take my Spirit to the Toilet and make it puke. Otherwise Viking-Metal is great.
PipeofPeril What about these themes say that they'er not compatible with, arguably, the most extreme music genre (next to harsh noise)? Just because you personally don't enjoy those themes doesn't mean the genre itself can't portray them for someone else's enjoyment.
+jimmy73311337 Such a boring argument. You may not care, but some people do care about the music, artists and themes they support and promote. Sometimes it's not simply about something sounding good. It's about how the band makes you feel. And if the band is directly insulting you and your heritage then...they care.
Myke for President! and on the art for artist's sake idea. I completely agree. For example, Varg is a dickhole, but Burzum (at least in the 90's) was killer!!!! And on that note, extreme artists (mainly black metal) used to relentlessly ridicule gays, but yet they all loved Judas Priest. These dicknuts always have justifications for their stupidity. (Rob Halford was the first person i could think of, I mean, Brian Cook from sumac/russian circles is gay, Gaahl is gay (to provoke god or some shit like that), and many many more, but like i said halford was the first I could think of.)
Personally I'm anti-religion, but I'm not anti-religious people. I get why some people need religion, it's comforting for them.
100% agree with you on this.
I'm more pantheist than anything, I don't believe in the afterlife (I think it's a highly flawed concept) but I love the idea of people dying happily and hopefully. I actually encourage religion, as long as no shitnuts take it too far lol
I personally avoid buying records from artists who's views I find objectionable (Burzum), though I enjoy the art I don't want to support them.
+Ted Orbach Same here.
I agree
I do buy those. From Spear of Longinus to ultra-anarcho leftie Disrupt. Politics corrupt your soul and feed you shit, that's why i don't belong to any political direction. They're all snowflakes.
myke is so fucking smart when it comes to music dude, I dont even listen to Metal but I learn something new every single time i watch a video
+rcl671 Thank you!!!
"No one listens to misogynistic or racist extreme metal and walks away with this grand valuable new world view" You could have dropped the mic after that!
Are nu metal views in nu metal ever too nu metal? #WDYWK
Thanks for the video response! I agree that you are not immune to criticism for the themes seeing as you said, it works both ways. I just think this is the sort of thing most people should be aware of when they start getting into extreme metal. They should be aware these themes exist and if they want to stand against those themes, then thats fine, but at the end of the day, does it effect your life if I listen to a Graveland record? No. I just think people should pick their battles and demonizing someone for their choice of music isn't one of those battles.
+CountBlagorath Agree 100%. If you're walking into this genre you should know what you're getting into. You can't start buying up extreme metal records and then think it's your job to change extreme metal from the inside. That shit doesn't always work. You can't walk into someone else's house and demand that they change the wallpaper. You're more than welcome to voice your opinion on the subject...but don't be surprised if the people that live there kick you out. At the end of the day, I think people are welcome to say what they don't like...but this mentality of "you have to agree with what I think" is a load of shit. Now, of course, I can personally wish you wouldn't purchase Graveland records (haha!) but I fully support your right to buy them to your heart's content!
+Myke C-Town I was going to make a video but you put it far better than I was going to. Yes, what generally bothers me is people coming into extreme metal and pissing on the rug ("that rug really tied the room together"). You can speak out against it, you can choose not to listen to it and not support the content that offends you but it bothers me when you listen to extreme metal and then want to put unreasonable limitations on it. I'm always worried that the extreme end of political correctness is going to invade what should be a free zone from that kind of censoring mentality.
Very thought-provoking video. When you surround yourself with this type of music and subject matter, it's very easy to become numb to it and not even give it a second thought.
The problem with anti-muslim ideas is that they are very closely related to racism, not only that people uses muslim and Middle Eastern/South Asian interchangeably (to the point where Sikhs have been the victim of anti-muslim attacks) , but that muslims in the western world faces discrimination and violence because in ways that christians don't. If people want to criticise religion than that is fine, but incentivising discrimination is not.
@Bili Warren you really missed the point. Those that are anti-religious can only be anti-religious and treat all religion as bad. But there are some that are anti-religious but have an obsession with people of Middle Eastern accent.
I despise the horrible things done in the name of Christianity, Islam or Judaism but I'll never make it a race thing because it's not that at all.
It's the relegion that's problem not the race.
I have more pertinent things to do in my life than boycott a racist or misogynist artists work, but if someone else feels like they must, go for it. Overall I just don't fuck with people that don't fuck with what I believe in. Face to face, I'll crack some heads though.
+turtles Hahaha!
I'm a big fan of more usual black metal and a while back I thought "hey, NSBM bands have horrible ideologies sure, but I'll check out some of the music before I come to a definitive conclusion". I listened to a bunch of bands, and every single one had music that was as knuckleheaded and unimaginative as their views are. A real dead end of music in all respects imho
Yeah, same. Most of these NSBM bands are garbage. Which is actually a good thing for me. This way I feel like I'm not missing anything.
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I pretty much entirely agree you on this. If listen to black or death metal, I don't *really* care that much what the hell they are singing about. At the same time, people have every right to care, and they have every right to be shocked or offended, esp if they are the ones being attacked.
So, people who can't ignore idiots, right? People have the right to not liking everybody on this planet. Today i feels like people want ultrabrutal metal music while they are super soft themselves and don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
@@Knochenbrigade The opposite side of that same coin is that those same bands get butt hurt over the fact that promoters cancel their shows or don't want to book them in the first place because of their lyrical themes. People and especially artists should be allowed to say anything they want freely and openly. Meaning there should never be a law against it. That doesn't mean that your words have no real world consequences. If a venue chooses to cancel your show or refuse to book you that is a real life consequence. It is not treading on freedom of speech because venues are not government institutions and are therefore, not obligated to give anyone a soapbox to stand on. When artists complain about this it highlights two things. Certain artists claiming to hate the people who voice an opinion about their lyrical content but they still want those same people's money. And the second thing is that it proves how mindless a lot of "shocking" content really is. If an artists really stands behind what they are writing then being "cancelled" shouldn't bother them. They should be proud of the fact that they are so offensive. I doubt GG Allen ever shed a tear over being cancelled and he really lived the shit that he sang about. But I don't think half of these artists even believe in the things they are writing about. If you use racism or whatever stupid lyrical theme as a way to get attention you can't get mad about the type of attention you get. And if you are an idiot who truly belives in bullshit race theories or whatever the fuck then you already know you are out of step with most people and it shouldn't come as a surprise. Especially in a scene that runs parallel to the punk/hardcore/crust scenes, and whether blackmetal heads like it or not they do share something of a common fanbase with these scenes and therefore can't be completely removed from scene politics. Do I agree with every single cancellation? No. But I don't own a venue so I have no right to tell a club owner or promoter that they are obligated to book a band because of freedom of speech. And that's not what freedom of speech is in the first place.
You said most of the things I would have said. I don't have much to add. In my opinion the freedom to ignore is more fundamental then the freedom to speak.
My opinion on this stuff changed as I got older. When I was younger I loved the "sport" of trying to be offensive as possible. However, by the time I turned 30 I found almost all attempt to shook me as either irritating or pathetic.
Just give me some honesty and insight. Fuck all the other bullshit.
Keep up the videos
+Turtle is as Turtle Does Haha! I'm still cool with offending people...I'm just selective over who I feel needs to be offended.
"Freedom of speech...Just watch what you say!"~Ice T
Man, you are the coolest guys ever. At first, watching dead end videos I thought you were the stereotypical angry black man of the group, but now I know you are a very intellectually gifted and articulate man, and I am so glad I subscribed. Kudos Myke. May I get to enjoy your videos and your opinions for a long, long time.
+Sameen Shakya Thank you so much!
Do you like Opeth? It's what got me into metal.
I think your thoughts on separating the art and the artist or the context is a pretty hard concept for a lot of people to follow especially when people talk about albums and musicians that have been regarded to such a high degree. I personally think Loveless by MBV for example wouldn't be held in such a high regard by the music press and community if people didn't discuss the context or the musicians themselves. (IE the bankruptcy of the of label and the extremely long recording sessions)
+EastCoastLow Absolutely. It's a hard concept for people to wrap their heads around. And an even harder one to put into practice. But I'm just saying that. if they could, it would be helpful as far as preserving the idea of art.
I bought that MBV LP in 1991, and have never researched the back story. I just hear how groundbreaking it is with my ears, not from what I read or not. I find that theory in that specific case completely off. But I'd agree if you talked about Burzum.
Lol I've never heard it put dat way but it's so real tho.
Band: -offends-
Peeps: -offended-
Band: -shocked pikachu face-
Fans: YOU DONT UNDERSTAND
Thx for vid
To jack one of your lines, thank you for being you! This was so excellent and articulated in a way that I never could the BEST response to all of the crap metal fans are asked to 'defend'.
Hey man, can you review messe noir - mandal gates of the calling,and demo
Sorry if you addressed it here and I missed it, but how do you feel about artists that hold sexist/racist/homophobic/etc. beliefs but don't address them in their lyrics or musical themes? Do you still find that it affects how you listen to the music or whether or not you support the artist? I'm getting more and more into black metal, and it's like I'll find a band that holds NS beliefs but mainly writes songs about nature, but I still don't feel 100% right about listening to it.
Bigoted stuff is all I really care about though. Gore is whatever. I can't understand what they're saying most of the time anyway, so it doesn't make much of a difference.
+Teej Hastie I don't personally care about a band's personal beliefs when it comes to simply listening to the music. I draw the line at monetary support. Meaning I won't buy or promote a band if the members are outspoken bigots. I'll download their albums and listen to the music all day though.
"I got into extreme metal because I like the music."
A-freaking-men brother!
What do you think of Lil Ugly Mane?
I love extreme metal myself as well but I too avoid (or try to at least) the ones who do contain racist themes. One I can think of was Peste Noire, I hear good things about em and the first thing I seen from them was an Aryan Supremacy demo? Err... Not tryna bother with that. - Whoever reads this and loves that band keep on rocking man, I ain't the audio police. I just don't like that particular type of seasoning on my food if you know what I mean.
I, like Mike respect peoples rights to create/say what they want, but like Mike said again Freedom Of Speech doesnt mean you cant get checked for what you say.
I remember Mike talking about policing the N word saying how he's not gunna spend his time telling people who can and cant say it and just avoid the morons (who shouldnt) that do. That's pretty much my take on the metal and metalheads that fall into this particular topic of discussion.
+BlackoutChamber Agree 100%. I'm not down to censor anyone except myself.
+BlackoutChamber Hey, a few thoughts about Peste Noire.
I'm going to assume that you don't speak / read French (feel free to correct me if I'm mistaking). As a native French speaker I'm must say that most of this band's lyrics are written in quite a goofy and caricatural way. It is really difficult to take them seriously to be honest. And I'm not saying that because the lyrics are so stupid that they become funny, I'm saying that because it feels like it was genuinely written in a comedic way. If anything, his lyrics are parody of actual racist lyrics.
But I do get that from the outside it might look like that, it's just that the subtleties that makes his work hilarious in French are more likely to be lost in translation (especially when he writes stuff in middle age French).
+DreamPurpleFloyd Interesting...thanks for that bit of info.
+SeaOfVomit You're welcome :)
If you want to check Peste Noire, try "l'Ordure A l'Etat Pur", I think it's his best work by far : it's pushing the boundaries of the genre, it's ambitious and complex but never gets boring IMO. Even if you don't like it, it will still be an interesting listen.
+DreamPurpleFloyd He's flat out said he's a "racialist" which I think it just as lame and corny as being a racist. He tries to cloak his bullshit in this "all cultures have the right to exist...just separately." So sure...his ideology is slightly better than pure racists...but it's still garbage. This whole trying to make strong distinctions between racism and racialism is just stupid to me. All that to say...it doesn't really matter that his lyrics aren't racist if he, himself, is.
Myke, you blew my mind. eloquent expressionism at its finest. I needed this because I found out that my childhood favorite metal band perpetuated a racist ideology. Not in their lyrics, but in their everyday life. I concur with your sentiment. I support their right to their expression, however, fuck them! I will just burn all their shit. I have the power to control whom I support and although I will miss them, I am better off not supporting any type of people who promote hierarchy based upon something as divisive as phenotype. This vid was a wake up call as I was ambivalent as to what to do. Not to mention, it was quite prophetic bc this was before the orange ass clown was president. Instant sub and thank you .
u mentioned gaspar noe r u a fan of enter the void? i think its incredible
+DJJekyllTV Yup. I've seen it more times than I feel comfortable admitting to myself.
+Myke C-Town Have you seen Love?
+C.A. Hall Not yet. Probably today.
Myke C-Town Well don't expect the sex scenes to resemble those from the Love Hotel sequence in ETV.
Well said - Freedom of Speech is not Freedom of Consequences. Honestly as a white boy I have my grievances with some of our brown compatriots but spewing mindlessly Nazi hate just because somebody happens to be born different doesn't make sense to me
I don't think the messages will effect the marketability in Metal. Not because Metal is not a valid genre, but because it is consistently underground stuff. Until Metal (especially Metal with these particular offensive themes) becomes more widely accepted and listened to then their themes will receive more attention.
The underground of any scene can pretty much do as it pleases because the general public's opinion is not regarded.
+Bartholomule01 Well that's the problem. Extreme metal is being pushed into the mainstream which is why you have these people who don't get it complaining about extreme themes.
I think an interesting video would be you discussing what constitutes as art. Even if you take the position that all that is created is art, which I personally have never agreed with, it would be interesting to see you defend that position. Obviously anyone who loves art can talk forever about that subject, but I would like to hear your opinion on the matter, and maybe spark a good dialogue in the comments. Either way, thanks for this video as well as all your others, been one of my favorite youtubers for some time. Have a good night man.
+Kevin Ruta That's a great one. Here's another question : Is Justin Bieber (and pop stars in general) really an artist or is he just a performer and singer?
+Kevin Ruta I don't know that there's much I could say there. Art = the various branches of creative activity, such as painting, music, literature, and dance. People get confused with art being something that they can personally enjoy. Which is stupid. You can personally believe in good and bad art...but art is still art.
+CarlHH777 Justin Bieber was a bad example for me to use. I should have said someone like...say...Taylor Swift. Someone who actually creates their art vs just repeats what someone gives them.
Panzer division marduk is an album about a fictional world war 2 exept with satan instead of hitler. The whole album sounds like a war machine rolling over the world and the lyrics is what makes the drums sound like machinegun fire and explotions. Actually the lyrics compliment the music in a way no other black metal band ive heard. Is this worse than a computer game where hitler is trying to kill you?
It really boils down to this. Lyricism in extreme metal has always been about shock value, provoking a reaction. No-one of any intelligence really believes that it's acceptable to pull viscera from a Virgin's nether regions. It's entertainment. As far as I know, the overwhelming majority of metal musicians have never claimed that their lyrics were anything else either.
+Peanut Butter Knife Fight I agree to a degree. Sure some of this shit is entertainment for some. Specifically the silly brutalization shit you're talking about when it comes to women. But some of the other stuff (racist or homophobic material) I believe to be based in reality.
great video man, you and Count both said things I'd have to agree with on this subject
Great points. Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean you have to listen. I mean, c'mon. Saying "extreme metal is too extreme" is like saying "punk rock has too many anti-government/anti-establishment messages."
You are very articulate myke. Great video
So basically what I got from this video was let people say what they want but let the free market work itself out. If people are saying outrageous things then other people won't buy their music. I don't think its cool for people to say homophobic or racial things but I don't believe it should be censored. I believe we should allow them to do whatever the hell they want and allow the people to respond however they want even if that means they sell very few records because only a few want to hear that.
+brayden edwards Agree.
+Myke C-Town you basically just described how every republican feels about everything
+brayden edwards Not sure what point you're attempting to make.
+Myke C-Town not really trying to make a point just as a republican I believe exactly how you believe sorry if I came off hostile
+brayden edwards Nah, bro. You didn't come off hostile. I just didn't understand why that needed to be said. I don't care about people's political affiliations but I tend to disagree with the vast majority of what the average Republican believes. But I just didn't see any correlation between what I was talking about and Republican policies. But it's cool.
I listen to extreme metal for the overall sound of the music and I don't really care about lyrics that much, I listen to a lot of death metal and usually it's just mindless bullshit about killing people anyways so I don't pay attention to the lyrics unless they're actually good or well written.
"Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences."
I think you mean "freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism or reaction (the turn to justified violent reaction when someone intentionally ridicules your race)."
Sorry? Maybe I'm stupid or missing something but most of the bands I have read lyrics from don't have misogynistic/racist/homophobic themes? I don't always read all the lyrics but it doesn't seem THAT prevalent.
+Ethan Armijo Maybe you've been lucky. But it's definitely very prevalent.
What do you listen to lol? There has to be at least one band with "offensive" lyrics or at least on the surface
I actually should rephrase that I suppose. I guess a more accurate observation is that I don't see anything "offensive" that most people listening to the music (including me) would actually take seriously even enough to be offended by. Not to mention I'm more prone to listen to prone to listen to older Black or Death bands that have satanic/esoteric/fantasy themes then I am shit like Pornogrind.
For example as much as I enjoy Mortician or Devourment to throw out some big names and presumably "offenders," I have never for a second taken any of their imagery or lyrical content seriously.
+Ethan Armijo LOL Devourment - Baby Killer is a perfect example. I mean I don't think anyone takes offense to it but people who don't listen to extreme metal comment on the song like "omg wtf etc etc" and that's what is being talked about here.
Top video mate,Agree 100%! The clue is in the title ie: Extreme Metal. subscribed
Very interesting video. Been a music fan all my life and a metal supporter since I was 17 (I'm 44 now). But when I was in college I despised extreme metal (not on lyrical grounds but just because of how it sounded)
I am very much in to extreme metal now (black metal much more so than death metal).
I agree that some of the fans in the genre can be ignorant fuckers but I refuse to let ignorant fuckers prevent me from listening to the music or being open that I like the music.
I will be attending Black Sabbaths farewell concert in Dublin next year and have a shiny new Burzum tee shirt to wear. I am not making a statement about Varg Vikernes political views I am saying that Burzum rocks me but I am prepared to give an account of myself if anyone interacts with me (afterall as metallers we all know that one of the purposes of wearing the tee shirts is to see if anyone else digs the band also).
I have had some arguments in comments with NSBM types who all strike me as folks who paint their prejudices on to the music rather than much of this music being particularly right-wing.
Anyway, I am glad you are sharing your views Myke, keep up the good work.
You are fucking awesome, great video man!
I think part of this never-ending debate is heavily in debt to the politically correct world we live in nowadays, where people are constantly up-in-arms about every little non-issue out there. Who cares if a band is writing "offensive" lyrics, last I checked we had freedom of speech in America, which doesn't mean "just the freedom for things I like, everything else is banned."
Like Myke states, if a band is putting out music that offends you - just don't listen to it or buy it. Getting worked up about something that doesn't affect you in the slightest is a waste of energy and frankly, more indicative of the sad state of your own purposeless life.
Lastly, I think most intelligent metal fans all realize the common themes in extreme metal like murder, suicide, violence, drug use, etc are usually just part of the "aesthetic" of these genres, sometimes even in a tongue-in-cheek manner that I'm sure hardly reflects any of the musicians own ways of life.
Unless of course they are complete assholes like Varg, in which case... yeah. But at least Burzum's music is good, unlike the personal characteristics of the artist behind the music.
I'm going to ask a calligrapher to write a beautiful golden lettered transcript to the main part of this video and I'll put it into a frame.
the anthropocene extinction made me go vegan lol
Derrick Nevarez that's awesome!
FYI, Metalsucks managed to write an article on the fact that Liturgy (not a fan but a good example) were featured on Whats in My Bag and they did not buy a single metal record...
I'm not surprised but any of the bullshit that comes out of that website. If you like it listen to it, if not then don't listen to it.
Also, if anyone came up to my friends and shouted racist abuse at them i'd kick the fuck out of them
+Nihilist Breakfast See...that's kinda what I mean. MetalSucks seems to be in the market of provoking people to talk about them. And we keep falling for it. Who gives a fuck if the guys in Liturgy buy music other than metal? Why is that grounds for a whole article? So lame.
You rule man.everything you said is on point 100%.
Can somebody point me to a racist metal song by Deicide or Malevolent Creation. I have never heard of them.
+Remy Godwell Who said Deicide has racist songs? Not sure where you got that from. As far as a racist song from Malevolent Creation: th-cam.com/video/qWcmQ5sOkuw/w-d-xo.html. That was very easily found through Google.
#WDYWK Best underground hip-hop beefs/diss tracks?
Mike speaking truth once again. great video man
I find it concerning if someone bitches about "sexist" lyrics but not about lyrics that talk about torture, murder, genocide etc.....
I think such people need to think about their mindset and values.
+Bastard Species There's a huge difference. Sexism is a lot more rampant than murder. Your average person that you may run into on a daily basis will have inherent misogynistic ideas whether they know it or admit it or not. The same can't be said about murder. It would be a lot easier to convince someone to reassess their views on women than it would be to convince them to think about murder in a positive light. Sexism is a very real thing. And murder is, too, but again...I think one is a lot more prevalent in people's minds. Sure, we should be bothered by both...but the sexist, racist or homophobic lyrics would affect me a lot more.
Myke C-Town But both is being gloryfied. I don't see how it makes it any better just because it's less of a thing.
+Bastard Species I just said why. One is furthering a very real message that most people harbor...the other is glamorizing something that very few people would actually participate in. Again, I think both are stupid, but one feels worse to me.
Myke C-Town Well, it is a matter of opinion. Some don't care about the lyrics, others do and some just don't want a certain type of lyrics in their music.
+Bastard Species Word. And that's everyone's individual right. People need to stop attacking and accusing people based on their music tastes. It's idiotic. Everyone gets to choose what they're offended by and it's no one else's responsibility to tell someone what they should be offended by.
Looking at you Burzum
Sick! I just posted mine. Hope you are feeling better mate! xx
+thepitchcontrol Sweet! Watching it now! We're pretty close to on the same page.
Regarding racism in metal, I haven't really seen much other than from the typical NSBM crowd or a particular lovely statement made by Malevolent Creation. Death metal and thrash metal don't seem to have many racist bands or views. Of course, black metal has always been open to ideological views of all kinds, typically right-wing. But other than NSBM, I don't see racism, or homophobia, as being all that prevalent in metal in general.
The only thing that is really prominent is anti-religious themes. Coming from someone who believes in a God/superior-being idgaf lol. Black metal is fucking awesome and I see the reason behind being anti-religious but it forms these idiotic fans to think every religious person is fucking idiot just reflecting their own idiocies.
I love death metal and black metal , I am not racist nor satanist however one point when I was gullible took it extremely serious to the point . Guess what I found out later on im bisexual now. I am about the music love , the fast music the vocals etc. Now I respect Cretin . All it is , like a horror movie . Iike Marilyn Manson and David Bowie like Burzum also Hipster Black Metal! Even Raw Bm! I respect this guys view!
Isn't metal supposed to reflect the darkest aspects of humanity? It's showing us the very depths of our spyche that many of us are afraid to realize. What topics could be better for that than racism, greed, gluttony, morbid curiosity and misogyny?
I agree love your videos!
Thanks for this video! 100% agree.
are u truly supporting a "problematic" artist if u buy it off a discogs flipper? curious what ppl think
If you buy a mint copy you are supporting the artist. You bought it from someone who in turn bought it in the hopes of selling it. And besides, stock might be replaced. If you buy a used copy things may be a little different.
But seriously, the new Gaspar Noe film is really good.
+Griffin Laking I haven't seen it yet...
I really agree with your views and look up to myke
where is the kid Cudi review
+ReidySnaps I don't know. But it's not here.
oh my bad. you're right this was not the video i was looking for.
lovew your perspective. thanlk you.
Just a side note. Doesnt add or take away from any of your points, which i overwhelmingly agree with, but in the case of islam, you cant say every member of islam willingly made that choice. Many people live in theocracys and will be beheaded in the streets for apostasy. I suppose from a philosophical stand point people can think whatever they want. But from a practical standpoint. Im sure there are a good chunk of muslims who would ditch the religion in a instant. Especially in places like Iran and Egypt. Im sure you know this. I just wanted to mention that as a sort of caviot.
Sure. That's totally a fair point. But I'd imagine those that are forced into the religion would, most likely, not be the ones getting mad when the religion is criticized. Or maybe I'm wrong about that...
As long as it sound good I, and many metalheads, dont don't what the lyrical themes are, thats why Aryan blood has a strong cult following, none of their listeners agree with their ideologies they just like the music. But yeah dont listen to a band of you don't agree with them, i miss out on all of stoner doom bands and bands like acid witch cause drugs had a negative effect on my family life but i dont tell other people to stop listening to music like that or stop making it
This video is still relevant. I enjoy artists of all beliefs, stupid or not, but i find it hilairous when white people act special cause they like some NS band.
Lol damn you're criticism of NSBM got me thinkin
The argument that they can choose theyr religion depends on the kind of anti muslim/jew people. For example the nazis dont care if one believes something, for them jews are a race. Same goes for some anti islam people.
+UnBruin I'm not really making a statement on how someone perceives you. I'm saying I don't give a shit if someone insults Christians or Muslims because you are choosing to be a part of that religion.
+Myke C-Town i get your point, im just saying. I have no problem with anti religious lyrics btw, normaly its kinda obvious where the really racist things start
+UnBruin yeah, I agree. It's not always a fine line between simple lyrics and pure hatred.
Dang I love that shirt.
Haven't watched the video yet but I definitely think some are. I mean there are some black metal bands that are genuinely white supremacist nazi's, and it makes me apprehensive to check out some of the older black metal bands even though I really like black metal. As far as misogynist music, I definitely think there is some out there too. Though I can differentiate between fiction and reality. I've listened to some death metal that's about women being torn up and raped by thorn monsters, but I know that is fiction. The bands that really strike me as misogynist are some of these post hardcore and metalcore bands. Idk if I just grew out of it, but I can't listen to some of the bands that I used to like from those genres. A lot of those bands have a lot of sexually frustrated and aggressive lyrics towards women and say some rapey shit.
+Fluffy2772 What post-hardcore bands are misogynistic???
+Myke C-Town Bands like Dance Gavin Dance, Alesana, Asking Alexandria. Idk if I'm using the right sub genre here, but personally when I think of misogynistic I think of these really angsty bands who have lyrics with a lot of sexual frustration and slurs. Or bands like DGD that describe some pretty fuzzy scenes that sound like date rape.
Racism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Child Abuse are not compatible with Metal, in my Oppinion. I mean there is no Flesh and no shitty Ideology in Hell, or so. And the true innocent are precious. Infant Annihilator are great at the instrumental Part, but their Lyrics make me take my Spirit to the Toilet and make it puke. Otherwise Viking-Metal is great.
PipeofPeril What about these themes say that they'er not compatible with, arguably, the most extreme music genre (next to harsh noise)? Just because you personally don't enjoy those themes doesn't mean the genre itself can't portray them for someone else's enjoyment.
Myke C-Town On the other Hand I'm glad Metal has no Ortodoxy.
is it actually group think or just your belief? I'm sure you're factually wrong, the most group think is twitter and tik tok
4:19 - Ever hear of Caitlyn Jenner, Chaz Bono, Sammy Sosa, or rachel dolezal? Lol.
True shit!!
who cares if it sounds good. Fanisk - noontide anyone?
+jimmy73311337 Such a boring argument. You may not care, but some people do care about the music, artists and themes they support and promote. Sometimes it's not simply about something sounding good. It's about how the band makes you feel. And if the band is directly insulting you and your heritage then...they care.
Legit video
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You're based as fuck, I love you and your videos :)
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Myke for President!
and on the art for artist's sake idea. I completely agree. For example, Varg is a dickhole, but Burzum (at least in the 90's) was killer!!!! And on that note, extreme artists (mainly black metal) used to relentlessly ridicule gays, but yet they all loved Judas Priest. These dicknuts always have justifications for their stupidity. (Rob Halford was the first person i could think of, I mean, Brian Cook from sumac/russian circles is gay, Gaahl is gay (to provoke god or some shit like that), and many many more, but like i said halford was the first I could think of.)