The Rebirth of Nature
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Dr Rupert Sheldrake, PhD, is a biologist and author best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance. At Cambridge University he worked in developmental biology as a Fellow of Clare College. He was Principal Plant Physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics and From 2005 to 2010 was Director of the Perrott-Warrick project, Cambridge.
__Read the book__
The Rebirth of Nature: The Greening of Science and God
www.sheldrake....
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This might be my new favorite Rupert Sheldrake talk. He’s such a living treasure!
Indeed!
Imagine my experience because this was my first Rupert Sheldrake talk!
Oriole Aszme I recommend checking out his book Science Set Free.
He's a treasure indeed. To think that I was once a fan of Richard Dawkins... in my defense I was young and stupid ;)
yes we know him in Poland
Thank you. As a 81 year old woman, the thought evolution toward a consciousness/energy that connects us all just makes sense from my life long experience. You have had to step ahead of the pack , that you for your courage to do so
He speaks and drops diamonds. So articulate and focused. Excellent talk. Thank you
Rupert Sheldrake, you are the greatest scientist alive today! I've been following your work since "Science Set Free." Not only are you my favorite author and researcher, your lectures and your thoughts that you share on TH-cam I find to be interesting, informative, and incredibly brilliant! All of your work has greatly influenced my view of nature and the universe. In short, my world view has changed to be more holistic and much less mechanistic because of your teachings. I look forward to reading your new book.
Voices which have been there for many years are now being discovered for the first time by many, Rupert is a genuine scientist, consensus is not the point, asking questions is!
A prodigy.. did you know?
A genuine scientist would convince his peers with the strength of his arguments...
I don't see a lot of that happening but I don't know where the fault lies.
Most of them are moving to panpsychism.. I'd consider that a start... plus many covertly cheer for him in silence. His arguments are sound. It's the institution that is compromised. No need for us to be fools and believe it's benevolent....
@@psychedelicgem I remember psychedelia back in the sixties. It made as much sense as your last comment.
Good for you... your personal experience is of little use in science. Try to stick to facts.
I'm not a scientist but i love listening to this man - so eloquent and pure a stream of genius.
He's a scientific prodigy rejected decades ago for thinking outside the box only to return for their heads🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dr. Rupert Sheldrake, your book “The Science Delusion” was such a breath of fresh air to read 👍
A man of great intelligence and vast knowledge. THANK YOU, Mr. Sheldrake!
Sheldrake, Mckenna and Abraham. You cannot spend your time any better than listening to all three.
Thanks for this wonderful talk. This is someone I would call a true scientist - someone who is not afraid to explore in the unknown reaches of existence, and beyond dogmatic corporate-controlled "science". Indeed, we need more people like you, Rupert.
That's a beautiful human right there. A kind of lighthouse of consciousness. Blessings
Dr Rupert Sheldrake is a paradigmatic example of a true intellectual, one who can explain complex ideas and phenomena succinctly due to his qualities of erudition and great understanding.Thanks again, Rupert!🙏
Thank you for again entering our field .
Really enjoyed your wise complication .
Certainly we have become a meantime species.
As 95% is left out of the define.
But the Great All is morphing us in process and the fact you appear in our space is iluminating.
" ask and you shall receive"
Look forward to your book.
God bless you and thanks for all other inspiration to make the world better.
The fact that you are out there, Rupert, gives me hope and makes me happy. Thanks for your whole life's work.
'Scientific ' materialism has created a lot of depression in humankind...
So has conventional religion...
So have shitty comments on the internet but as you can tell we haven't put a stop to either.
@SmeagÖl g. alright, bruv... I'm a guy tho... you may have not understood my comment correctly ...
You are such a good guy man. Seriously everything you just said is so straight to the point. Man I'd like to be you...
With 'conventional religion' I was referring to religions which dominated in the west. Judaism and christianity. The idea that there is a "ruling god, who is above all, whom you must love, because he says so" has also been responsible for a lot of suffering through a backward thinking.
These religions are not fundamentally bad, they're just another way of putting humans down (same as scientific realism).
Years ago I first heard Rupert Sheldrake in an interview with Michael Toms and my heart began to beat fast during the entire discussion!
So, science is s living, growing thing too..... nothing is ever the whole story! May we always face the abyss of mystery! 😎🥰🌍
I've been attempting to introduce Rupert's ideas to my friends for years, but to almost no avail, and more recently I've also become an embarrassingly huge fan of Cosmo's music, also not to the (apparent) interest of my friends (gotta get some new friends?)....so...I am elated to see so many positive comments and appreciators of his glorious mind. I knew I was not alone in appreciating him, of course, but we are certainly scientific pioneers. If you have not yet heard him, I highly recommend taking a listen to Cosmo's tunes. If you love Rupert, you'll likely love Cosmo.
Your friends are ignorant. You are enlightened. What a privileged space to be in!🥰
hey mate, I know how it is to feel alienated when you feel you're discovering new aspects of yourself and the world, often shedding parts of your old self. It's been like that for me too. However, compassion and "walking the walk" will always win over trying to convince people on the level of intellect. That's my experience anyways. I'll check out Cosmo's music... cheers from a likeminded in Norway.
@@JonnaaM Yes. I've also come to that conclusion. It will manifest of it's own accord. All I need to do is develop it within myself, if you know what I mean. Enjoy Cosmo. He's also a genius. Perhaps even moreso. :)
Rupert's wife Jill Purce does lovely group healing work, shamanic, a variant of family constellations. You can join in if you wish. (Also big fan of Cosmo Sheldrake!)
I could listen to this man talk about anything for hours
Oh ! so very, very happy to see/hear Dr. Sheldrake again! Let us hear more from him! He is a lovely man , in every way, and his beautiful manner of speaking in discussion /lessons on Consciousness is refreshing to one's ears and mind, quite enjoyable to hear over and over.
This is all very well, but i only asked you if you'd like salt and vinegar on your chips. :). I think i've just listened to 5000 brilliant sentences. Rupert always blows with mind.
Haha
yes his mind is blown
I think I'm just going to have this man playing in the background all the time whatever I'm doing and just let it sink in.
Rupert, you a total gem! I feel absolutely blessed in my lifetime to have your work to contemplate, for what other order is there, than the sense you make of everything that is natural and holy that humans continually puzzle over...
We are minds within minds within minds.
Ooh I like that
Science and spirituality are uniting. The end of an age has come. This new age beginning will bring us to new heights.
Thank you so much Rupert. I wish this talk and others could also be availailable in other languages. They are popular in the best way imageable. And - even more important - More People not familiar with hardly digestible science should have easy access to these lifechanging discoveries, explained in a most enjoyable entertaining way.
Rupert Spira and Hameed Ali are my present favourite inspirations.As well as Ken Wilber who contributes sort of spiritual map that can help in navigat through this djungle of roads and paths.
Heartfelt thanks from an elderly german woman, stay happy, healthy, curious and keep on contributing us your precious gifts 💥💓
I loved it when I found out that I share much DNA with the grass that I love to walk on with bare feet. Listening to R. Sheldrake is the mind and heart of that experience. Saying yes to the mystery and embracing the realities.
Thank you Rupert, just naturally beautiful.
That might be one of the best one hours of TH-cam I've watched in lockdown. Thank you. Now I am compelled to finish off reading Animate Earth by Stephan Harding. Also, I would sure love if you were able to have a conversation with some of the peeps connected to tech and the Silicon Valley given their influence on our society. I am off the impression that they totally lack this level of understanding and I can see nothing but good coming from this. The trajectory of say transhumanist thought, negating this would be a catastrophe x
Been following Rupert for nearly 30 years. Not sure why he never appears to age.
Rupert is my favorite scientist and I consider him one of the most original and pure scientists alive. His morphic resonance theory really intrigues me to think about how DNA codes for proteins and then what happens next - how are life's 3D features coded and expanded during growth? He's planted this seed of frustration in my fertile scientific head.
this seed of possibility . . . .
Just a reminder Albert Einstein said "The field is the sole governing agency of the particle" By extrapolation and through evolution fields are responsible for structure and complexity. Teilhard de Chardin indicated that human self awareness added a new layer of consciousness he called homization whereby humans achieved a sense of immortality. I think Dr. Sheldrake has pretty much proved that morphogenetic fields impact genetics and provide natural memory of form (and perhaps some functions?). This has led me to electromagnetic fields and non-local holographic memory. As the good doctor explains, the soul according to Aristotle is our form and form is a result of morphic fields and morphogenetic interactions. This is helpful in understanding our identity, our soul is form-based in what we think now is an electromagnetic type field outside the visible perception range of humans. It might explain how ghosts or visitation spirits look the same as they did when alive and some think that reincarnation somehow applies our "soul" (EMF?)as a formation genesis of the human body, providing a "template" for our new body. Moreso, if the memory of all things are in the zero-point field, non-local, that would mean the body/brain is a transceiver of consciousness and memory rather than consciousness and memory being emergent properties. Thank you Dr. Sheldrake for your strength, faith and inspiration.
What he's talking about at the very end with a scientific renaissance informed by the understanding of the living conscious universe that can direct more correct and useful behavior is essentially the goal and scope of permaculture
What is permaculture, defined more conventionally?
@@HansDunkelberg1 Permaculture is both a design science and philosophy based on natural patterns to help create sustainable or regenerative human habitations and lifeways
@@dirtgoatpermaculture Do those pursuing it have a particular focus on (regenerative) habitations in space?
@@HansDunkelberg1 Not particularly. Usually it is used to help heal out relationship with the Earth and each other, but I am interested in the further reaching applications such as with AI and eventually if necessary off world, in which "nature" would mean the nature of space or a new cosmic body, and how to change it to be more Earth like or to change ourselves to be adapt to the new conditions. I think the general concept can reach far beyond nifty gardening and building methods, as many people see it
@@dirtgoatpermaculture The questions of gardening and building that appear as so trivial, here on Earth, become utterly complex, in space. Biosphere II has proven that. I presume that the problem generally is the smallness of the systems. The smaller it gets, the fewer possibilities has an ecological system to correct itself, with the help of resources from other places.
Love you Dr. Rupert Sheldrake 🙏🏻
Always interesting, thank you. Would be delighted to hear you on New Thinking Allowed
Oh yeah. And could you imagine Michael Tsarion on NTA?
Rupert was on the _old_ Thinking Aloud, so was Terrence McKenna
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Yessss so true.. With Jeffrey Mishlove.. Two super heroes !!
🌞📣 Thank You for your patience, your consistency, and for sharing
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Could you ever do a structured lesson-series where you synthesize a lot of your work and provide direction for future inquiry? Thanks for everything. :)
Hello Dr Sheldrake! Been following your work since New Science of Life. It's interesting to see how your ideas have evolved since then.
Fascinating talk. Much of value here. Thanks Rupert!
knuckle dragging science holding us all back, most just interested in tenure. Thank you for sharing what most people have always known, that the earth & everything in it & on it are not mechanical 💖
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Deeply refreshing. Quite simply, thank you!
It would be very interesting to hear Ruperts thoughts on the relationship between Morphic Resonance and pandemics, vaccines and immunity.
Thank you for this speech! And sharing your, and those you have studied thinking. I was thinking about a year ago that if the consciusness grows from atoms to minerals, minerals to plants, plants to animals and animals to human, then maybe it goes from humans to planets, planets to suns and from suns to black holes and when you get to black hole you get to create new universe. We are getting there. For me, especially the part when you explained view that objects/things that "create themselves" are consciuss was beatiful and "eye opening".
What about elephants? Aren't they more human than we, sometimes? Like the one in Vienna that gave the human baby back to its mother, with the trunk, after it had rolled before its feet?
It also would interest me where the brain of a planet should be.
illuminating talk. when a person knows ----- not 'believes' ----- that all this is a single consciousness and that his separation from it, ie in its form conceived as ''God'' is a lie perpetrated by human power hunger and that perfection is in fact right here now then depression, separation, absurdity, fear of death, and moreover, the question ''why all this and to what purpose?'' become instantaneously redundant
Isn't this what Alan Watts has been saying all along: The earth is a planet that peoples (or you can go back to the big bang), just like an apple tree is a tree that apples. Humans exists since the earth formed, just like the oak tree exists in the acorn. Alan passed on in 1973.
yes, all you need are a few mushrooms and this shit is obvious as f$@k
Interesting, I've been working the animate worldview as an extension to the scientific worldview. It is based on applied science research & participation research by going "deep digital". This talks give me confidence I'm on the right path, showing a stronger relation to the history of philosophy. So thank you.
Interesting -- have you published or produced anything on this to see? 👌
@@LeonGalindoStenutz not on the worldview itself, but I do have a channel "deep digital" explaining the applied science part: th-cam.com/users/mixelkiemen
I've been working for a while on the book. Not yet contacted any publisher, so if you have suggestions on where to publish it please share.
Hi Rupert. Fantastic presentation as usual.
I’ve been following your work for quite a long time. Of particular interest to me was your morphic resonance theory as I have been developing a similar theory based on galactic as well as terrestrial electromagnetic fields and how there is potential interactions between them + the DNA of all living things. I believe this is what primarily drives evolution and is potentially the fabric of consciousness (after all we are just a collection of 500 trillion cells operating collectively). I believe these fields are the key to explaining previously unexplained phenomena like telepathy as well cellular sentience, racial memory and the ability for horoscope to accurately predict pronounced aspects of our individual personality/consciousness.
Thank you for all that you have done and continue to do!
Thank you for these great talks, Rupert. I feel privileged to learn from you in this manner, and thanks to TH-cam suggestions I found your channel. I recently viewed The Life and Ideas of David Bohm, and now am encouraged while seeing living humans carrying some of these ideas forward. It gives me hope. Loved discovering Merlin's work and book, also.
Perhaps the 'new science' will be individual and direct experiences of the joys of life - peace, harmony, play, etc... and which will continue to materialize in our world as we (humanity) resume our role in nature.
Thank you Rupert.
Rupert Sheldrake is inimitable
OK. Last week I would have been a total skeptic of all things to do with mother nature and general tree hugging crap. I do love the outdoors and shoot and fish with a lot of hill walking, but that's were it ends. I'm an engineer by trade so everything with me is mechanical or scientific. Anyway to the point. Last week I finished a job for this hippy dude living off grid in a private forrest. Went to get paid and he said he noticed I was very stiff and had to stand up slowly and straighten my back before moving on. "do something for me he said, just try this for a week and see how you get on". "Try to walk barefoot as much as possibly for a week and if you can hammer a metal rod into the ground, attach a cable of copper wire, run it in the window and make sure it touches your body somewhere when you sleep". I did laugh but he said ancient man did not have as much sickness as we do today and he believes it's our connection with the earth. One week later and my pain is gone, I sleep far better. My back pain is no more and I have no aches in any of my joints. "Don't know what is happening or how to explain why but it works, I was a skeptic but now have bought into this. 60 next year and feeling like a kid again.... Can't explain it!!!!!!
Thanks for the story.
Cheers I will have to try this
Its the 2nd time this week about walking bare foot
The other came from a doctor who says the heart is not a pump
Check it out on you tube
The title is about heart dieseaes
Interesting stuff
The blood has a natural force of its own
He too mentions Descartes and how we havnt moved forward since
All the best
Good on ya for being open minded and simply giving it a crack! We can get so stuck in our beliefs...a lot of the time to our own detriment.
@@stevecooper3010 Just rigged one up to give it a go! If u are really interested in heart perception take a look at Stephen Harrod Buhner's books/info.
Amazing stuff. Cheers.
Just as a matter of interest for you guys. What I did was to hammer a metal rod (anything will do) into the ground outside my window. Ran an old electric cable in the window, small enough In diameter to allow the window to close. Ran it along the floor and slack enough to not catch your feet. I then coiled it into about an 8 inch circle much like a Danish. To make it a bit more comfortable to sleep on I made a square from 2 inch wide aluminium foil tape making sure of course that the coil is stripped to expose the copper wire and also make sure the coper and alloy foil make contact. You can do this by turning the non sticky side of the tape over at the ends to make contact with the copper wire. You should now have an 8 to 12 inch square to ly on. I saw results in a couple of days. Still don't have any idea how this works but it has transformed me no end. You won't have a light come on or a wow moment buy you will think.... Hang on that knee cramp or back pain is not bothering me today. I had a crazy noise in my neck like an old socket ratchet when I turned my head....... Damned if I can remember the last time I heard it..... Crazy stuff.
Always a pleasure to listen to Rupert
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Thank you, Rupert. I didn't know that Medieval Christian theologians believed that our Divine Creator is in all living beings, and we are within Her Most Holy Being. It's what I believe.. I want to study more about Medieval Christianity, it seems to have been a time of great spiritual flowering within Christianity. I also learn a lot be watching NDE videos. And of course , from you. I read The Theory of Formative Causation many decades ago, when it came out. It gave me a greater understanding of time. I believe as well that space is not linear, but a, maybe infinite number if nesting orders of magnitude of life - concentric biomes of various scales - inter-penetrating, inter-acting. Time also is not linear. Astrophysicists now believe that at the very edge of a black hole, all points of time exist simultaneously, similar to the ancient and indigenous belief in the Eternal Now, in which all points of time are present. This concept helps me in my inner work spiritual practice where I focus on all of us humans as Beings of Divine White Light and Love, together at sort of the low orbital point where we are still connected to our Blessed Earth Mother, yet have a distinct sense of also being within the Divine Love energy being of our Great Cosmic Mother.
Visualizing us as Beings of eternally radiant Divine White Light, I also keep in mind that we are (I believe ) experiencing a number of different physical manifestations simultaneously. Focusing on this higher truth while meditating keeps my mind clear of ego-based distractions and false limitations because I am more aware that I am not one name, one face, one set of circumstances, etc., but as a radiant, eternal being of Divine White Light am experiencing many physical manifestations at the same time.
We could really do so much more good in the world, put out more positive, higher vibratory energies, if we integrated and normalized this more expansive, and truer sense of time.
It also resonated with me what you said about an Attractor Field. That's how I conceive of the Holy Spirit, inter-penetrating us at a higher field level and guiding/inspiring us into greater alignment with our Divine nature. I think all species have their own Holy Spirit, or what in Hinduism is called the Devas, to guide all within that species into greater alignment with their eternal Divine essence. As one of the passages in the Wisdom Section of the Bible tells us regarding the Holy Spirit,
Although alone, She can do all, Herself unchanging,
She makes all things new
She passes into holy Souls
And makes them friends of God and prophets
She deploys Her strength from one end of the Earth to the other
Ordering all things together for good.
Thank you again. Blessings from Upstate New York, US.
Love Rupert
This was my first book by Rupert!
Love this chat! Go, Dr. Rupe!! xx
Love your talks, you should do more of these!
You only have to spend some time with nature to feel a higher power ,great stuff.
Ha - there you are to the right - "Is the Sun Conscious" - of course. The answer is yes, yes it is.
That was a beautiful listen....I’m a big fan of Dawkins and pretty anti-religion but that was a very eloquent and well researched monologue which, as any good bit of science should do, leaves me wondering and asking questions. Great work 👏✌️
We could also add Godel's two Incompleteness Theorems, to point out the limitations of theory and hypothesis- matching in the mental world, the physical parallel of 95% of our physical reality being unknown, and our limitation of perception we label as the "observable universe".
I just love listening to you speak! And I do agree with much of what you say! I think you are a an amazing man! Hard to believe people thought of sentient beings as machines! How ignorant, especially when indigenous tribes have always been in communication with all of life & retain their telepathy & teach us today as to how to use it, if we are willing. (Now called Interspecies Communication = Anna Breytenbach (Animal Communicator - Full Documentary) Jon Young (several documentaries about how he was mentored by the grandson of an Apache Elder, the San Bushman of So. Africa, the last free Apaches, et al.) The animals & indigenous peoples have been asking us to stop killing their habitats, according to Anna Breytenbach & a Documentary concerning our ‘older brothers’ in northern Columbia! They were spot on with most of what the scientific data were saying! Sadly, not all of modern man, aka ‘little brother’ understands this. But sooner or later, Gaia will once again wipe us out for the last time, leaving no remnant left if we don’t wise up, so to speak, according to Native American prophesie, and has happened in the past, while leaving a remnant, according to past Native American prophecies & Sumerian history! Also interesting, sadly, is among only the ‘civilized’ are there warring peoples. This begs the question, who, then, is indeed, more civilized? I thoroughly enjoyed this topic & look forward to rewatching your lecture on the sun being conscious! All my best to you, and yours, Mr. Sheldrake. I highly respect you & your work. Also, nice job speaking online for the first time! Well done!
I've read about a conspicuous bloodlust of the indigenous tribes of the Amazon. And I"ve read that before the 17th century, also Europeans have been much more brutal, in their everyday life, than since the advent of the modern era. Perhaps the organized wars of our centuries just bundle deeply engrained urges which under less civilized conditions will be set free in a bigger number of smaller outbursts.
Sheldrake focuses on the history and plausibility of worldviews, meanwhile. He doesn't go into the sociological question of war and piece.
Hello Rupert, in your various talks it would be good if you could start to say more about what you see as the application of morphic resonance theory (etc.) to mental healthcare, which, as you will know, is largely still centred around the biomedical model and the prescription of psychiatric drugs.
What a gem.
So many of his views are bursting with intuitive and clear thinking intelligence. Such a pity so many people are so out of touch with animals. Humans are incredibly ignorant and arrogant in this regard.
brilliant 👏👏👏👏👏
''This of course is my bookshelf, i use it to intimidate, nobody fucks with Rupie'' Haha, Monty Don did the exact same thing in an interview last week.
... infinite expressions of Love.
Muchas gracias Mr. Sheldrake. Very interesting!
Excellent video. Thank you
So pertinent and and fully resonate with your work/views Rupert 🙏
I wish I could articulate such things as well when trying to discuss and elaborate on such things.. it's a real pleasure listening to you talk Sir 🙏
Rupert Sheldrake has fundamentally changed my life for the better. I need not expand why.
Rupert, I think you should talk to Iain McGilchrist. He has just finished a book dealing with, among other things, relational ontology and process philosophy. I'd pay a bottom dollar to see that conversation.
Also Jeffrey Mishlove would be interesting to bounce your ideas off of.
Oh yeah that would be great. McGilchrist is wonderful.
Science with a soul - i love it!
I wish someone could adequately explain and demonstrate just what s soul is....
@@jonathonjubb6626 consciousness?I'm guessing like science could hypothetically grow all the organs and constituent parts of a body assemble them and yet it still wouldn't have consciousness
@@adriancaldwell still explains f**k all..
@@jonathonjubb6626 You've just displayed your soul - 'r' soul.
@@adriancaldwell is that all u got? Sad really.. But I knew you couldn't answer because nobody ever has.
Good evening, Stay safe.
Life is a combination of elements that exist within the system of operation. Like the four elements that help shape our universe.
@Rupert Sheldrake - I just saw the gratitude talk at the horribly lit room however you wore a faint shadow which I liked. Dude. You have enough influence to move your talk to a resonant hall, I'll explain only as a singer. I am Virgo, like the janitor/director in my own adventure. Jolly good talk. I wanted to barf as the gratitude cascaded Niagara Falls of thank yooze at the end - clickout. Can't original folk afford your lectures? Working Theory. Why do YT channelers ignore poor people? That ain't right. Trialogues do exist in nature - all you need are two original people. Paradox - this comment is a thank you, I could hurl. I just remembered why I came here. Please, por favor, seebooplay read Castaneda's first 11 books (there are 13 - one is the Magical Passes - holey moley, makes yoga look like a mediocre holiday) and (you don't need to believe me) I am the only one who can translate Carlos' epic tomes into modern Newage Speak. I'm just saying that due to folk like yourself and Terence Carlos has taken on quite the turbocharged relevance. Cheers. I'm in Hollywood yes that one.
Loved this Dr Sheldrake!
What is Rupert’s view on what gravity is/could be?
you are on the right track and are getting closer
Thanks for this exposition Rupert Sheldrake. You've effectively, and (apparently) spontaneously, delivered a manifesto or thesis on panpsychism, something I've wanted to see. The presentation format - an hour of a talking head - could probably be handled more creatively, but never mind, the 'optics' needn't be a distraction.
Your conclusions aren't that far from those of modern (dynamic and chaotic) systems theories as far as I can tell. And the seemingly far-fetched ideas, near the end, regarding the consciousness of the solar system etc I found to be a good way of stretching the imagination. Intriguingly I think I saw overlaps with the ideas of science writer, and science-fiction visionary, Arthur C Clarke - whose work I've recently studied. Meanwhile I'm convinced you deserve a place among serious post-modern thinkers not least because you offer some thought-provoking 'bridging concepts' to link modern perspectives with older ways of seeing life and the universe (e.g. animism).
What I can't totally go along with is the story of early-modern (Western) science being entirely about mind-matter dualism - the material universe being conceived only as mechanistic. While this offers an apparently water-tight, logical and linear sequence for your argument it is far too black-and-white or simplistic, in my opinion, to view the history of science in this way. Alongside Descartes you had people like Francis Bacon, circa 1600, who developed the principles of of the Scientific Method - still valid today - treating Nature as a wide open book to be observed and learnt from. His 'method' visualized great libraries of accumulated knowledge, leading eventually, hopefully, to human wisdom. The process, Bacon urged, should not be used for jumping to conclusions or rushing to exploit the findings. Understanding gained (for its own sake) in this way would also serve to tackle the greater problem of Theism and the powerful stranglehold practiced by the Church over matters of Truth (arguably with truth claims that were more dualistic than those of Descartes'). It was the observation of nature (a wide open book, open to all), and visionary ideas like those of Erasmus Darwin - doctor/scientist/inventor/polymath and poet, and grandfather of the more famous Charles Darwin - that even influenced later romantic poets like Wordsworth and Coleridge.
Sheldrake implies, on occasion subsequently, that the thinking has retained some diversity, e.g. when he mentions the Enlightenment or the 19th century.
Could you specify where Arthur C. Clarke puts forth ideas overlapping with the one of a consciousness of the Solar System?
@@HansDunkelberg1 AC Clarke was influenced by the writer Olaf Stapledon who, in his book 'Star Maker', writes about a cosmic mind as a universal conscious and creative force, that stars and nebulae have intelligence and that for some people there can even be a sort of telepathic connection with it. Clarke considered Star Maker to be "probably the most powerful work of imagination ever written". But Clarke references that particular panpsychism obliquely - more along the lines of consciousness as embodied in different levels and forms of matter, from rock crystals to swirling planetary mists. In 2001 A Space Odyssey it is left ambiguous as to whether the advanced intelligence encountered is virtually eternal and omniscient or is just totally unfamiliar because it represents 'a mind' vastly more evolved than our own, having learned to use the fabric of space-time itself as a storehouse of intelligence and mental activity.
@@cyberista Fairly interesting. I've first dived into Germanophone narrators of the 19th century like Adalbert Stifter, in my current incarnation, only at the age of 30 being pointed to 2001 A Space Odyssey and then still without noticing Clarke. Around 40, I've read four novels by Clarke and have viewed lists of his works, considering it practically as a fact that Clarke has been a reincarnation of Stifter but still never stumbling over any such esoteric tendencies of him. Can you tell me where that verdict of him about Stapledon and Star Maker is to be found?
@@HansDunkelberg1 Years since I've read those but there was a handy reference about Clarke/Stapledon on the Wikipedia Page for Star Maker. There are plenty of others around I'm sure. And check out Chapter 37 "Experiment' in 2001 for a description on the advanced intelligence ... not quite omniscient (or of the innate type that Sheldrake is talking about) but the implication is that it was approaching the status of, and tuning into, that kind of universal mind. In Ch37 you will find phrases like:
... "in all the Galaxy, they had found nothing more precious than Mind, they encouraged its dawning everywhere."
... "But the age of the Machine-entities swiftly passed. In their ceaseless experimenting, they had learned to store knowledge in the structure of space itself, and to preserve their thoughts for eternity in frozen lattices of light. They could become creatures of radiation, free at last from the tyranny of matter."
... "They could rove at will among the stars, and sink like a subtle mist through the very interstices of space. But despite their god-like powers, they had not wholly forgotten their origin, in the warm slime of a vanished sea." [Clarke, Arthur C.. 2001: A Space Odyssey (p. 185). Little, Brown Book Group. Kindle Edition]
- i.e. further connections with Sheldrakes references to Duration and forward and backward looking states/attractors etc, regarding advances in consciousness.
@@cyberista "Frozen lattices of light" certainly is a clever concept. After all, crystals do contain light which can be set free, by some stimuli. Nevertheless, I'm not impressed, by that passage of the text alone. It's too nebulous, for my taste.
I also hope Clarke illustrates that capability of becoming "creatures of radiation, free at last from the tyranny of matter" more tangibly, somewhere in the novel. Not everything he has written really captivates, on its own. Perhaps one has to read a certain bigger part of his works, to become keyed to their charms.
Imagine my surprise when my petunia plant "yelled" at me as I passed by it.
A most important worldview, indeed !
If you gave the talk in the field in the thumbnail I would be able to watch for longer lol, talking about nature while inside is pretty hard for me to grasp.
I certainly wasn’t brought up with that world view & my biology teachers at school NEVER taught us that nature was inanimate & machine like!
Might it be that your biology teachers haven't commented on so general issues, altogether?
@@HansDunkelberg1 The root assumptions of our world are seldom said directly.
@@WakingUpToday213 And why aren't they? Perhaps because they are not even identified, by some who continue to live naively, as adults?
@@HansDunkelberg1 Quite so. They're seldom said AND seldom noticed. conveniently overlooked in the status quo.
@@WakingUpToday213 Interestingly, the law is not at all materialist. You have people who interpret it mechanistically, to the degree that they abuse it by acting as if even speculation was forbidden - a naive root assumption, again, staying that they, themselves, had souls.
I don't think speculation is dangerous; but I also consider it harmless to abstain from philosophy. You in the end will anyway again stay restricted to speculation. Even Descartes' "Cogito ergo sum" ("I think, therefore I am") can be questioned. You might hallucinate rather than think, thus also only imagining that you exist. Such processes in your mind might constitute just a little bit of a surf of a consciousness of bigger chunks of the world, or of the world as a whole. What I'd assume to be certain is that the world exists, but that is rather meager.
This Existence is a Painful One" Thank you, for your Research. There are Many of us that Desperately, Seek Like minded Beings to Escape the Neverending Boxed in Reality that We were Shoved into!🧐😬 The UNIVERSE is ALIVE and ALL FACETS and BEINGS ARE CONSCIOUS AND CONNECTED WE JUST HAVE TO BE IN AN AWAKENED STATE OF EXISTENCE. TO TAP INTO THE KNOWING 🧝♂️😍
so now mainstream academics are catching up we are 'allowed' to believe in what many, many, many people have been saying for a loooooooooong time
It is always such a pleasure to listen to your lectures. In fact, some of your theories and those of David Bohm I have included in a fictive thesis In a novel. If you have time to read it, you might find it both entertaining and informative...
Forget the New Normal meme it’s “Life in Slow Motion” as Time has taken on a malleable quality causing our perception to become skewed and disorientated...
The Green Man is Rising...
Love me some Rupert! ☺️
Somewhat off topic, but I would love to listen to Professor Denis Noble and Rupert Sheldrake get together to talk on some evolutionary topics that I am sure they would both agree on.
Denis, author of two fascinating books: "Dance to the Tune of Life: Biological Relativity" and "The Music of Life".
To parallel the Gayatri Mantra, in Christianity, the Lord's Prayer has been described as " a solar invocation... containing seven keys..." which is an interesting way of exploring its word patterns =if nothing else!
Death is without soul, thus death is cold. Try touching dead bodies; it has no energy, thus is cold. The heart is a mechanism that keeps soul alive.
Fantastic. A-Z. Pray to the sun Yes an intelligence, aware and conscious.
Thanks for your work.
Thank you so much - makes so much sense
21:50 I’ve seen that pattern in a dmt session. I was Being shown how complex Creation is by someone that kept zooming me out in that fractal pattern and the Creator was like SEE!?! THIS SHIT IS SO COMPLICATED SO DON’T WORRY ABOUT THE ANUNNAKI!
Non corporeal life can be quite interesting and also hierarchical.
Rupert is one of my favorite thinkers and on the forefront to change the materialistic worldview. I believe the case he makes is compelling and this dense talk is just the beginning. I always learn something so now Whitehead's "bodymind" ideas need some exploring.