Why did it flop.... : ahem: We never wanted a sequel. We never wanted a shoehorned in harley quinn. We didnt want a musical. We want batman in our batman universe films, and not just blink and you miss it cameos.
"At the same time, they believe Phillips is a creative genius and worthy of gambling on." You know what a creative genius doesn't do? He doesn't empower his lead actor to skip stunt rehearsals and to do whatever he wants during fight scenes and stunt-scenes in ways that endanger themself and the other actors/stuntpeople in the scene. Honestly, once I read about Phoenix's antics on the first film, and the Phillips allowed it? I vowed to never give either man another dime by supporting anything they created again. A genius understands how to make art in ways that respect the other people involved. Phillips is a hack.
They lost sight of what they had created. They made the joker and harley relationship more positive than it really is, They romanticized a character that isnt meant to be.
Hollywood has successfully memory-holed the fact that the original Joker's success was a combination of the film being a comic film bait-and-switch and the mainstream media doing their PR work for them by running article after article saying "if you go to this film, a theater shoot might get you!" which made them want to find out what the deal was.
No, you have to consider two possibilities. Either, he got disconnected from the audience and didn't understand that the same narrative wouldn't work again due to us already having experienced the events of the first movie. Or, the more interesting possibility; he wanted to make you mad. Everyone who's seen the movie seem ti have fler exactly like the how the Joker movement felt throughout the movie. It's honestly quite impressive he manged to make us feel like them, just like when people wanted him to blast the host in the first movie. But why would anyone want to make a movie where you feel let down by watching it? I don't know, but anyone were to be part of something like that, it would definitely be Phoenix. He already trolled the world when he said he was going to quiet acting to pursue a career in rapping.
@@comebackguy8892 i dont have to consider either of those possibilities, Todd Phillips ruined a CLASSIC out of spite and pressure from executives to push woke demoralisation tactics of an angry public. we are no longer in a film industry anymore but instead egos and propaganda.
@@squarebearderry Do you only study what you like, only study your victories? It's an interesting case, just as a psychiatrist would say about a crazy killer.
I mean in Transformers defense, thats like saying you ate a pile of dog shit and then you were sad it didnt taste good, so you ate a tri tip steak the on the weekend.
It's so obvious: the director didn't want to make a second movie, but they forced him by offering an insane amount of money. To stick it to them he made this dumpster fire.
Then you know nothing. It was marketed as a musical, but it's really not. In a musical, people start to sing randomly like it's normal. Not in this movie. Here, Joker or Harley sing on a stage or as prisoners cheer this lunatic on or as he commits crimes. No one thinks it's normal. Important parts of the movie aren't sung either, only at times to add some "action" to an otherwise boring story and to show what is going through Arthur's mind. So really, this is just a continuation of Joker's dancing from the first movie.
@@wreckitralph4714 Well, not exactly you said it was a musical, I just wanted to point out that the direction wasn't the issue, just the marketing. There's only like 15 minutes of song in this movie. And sadly, those were the only interesting parts. It's technically just an epilogue, that LITERALLY let's down the audience. I don't want to spoil it, but the movie basically wanted you to feel let down. It's an insane decision that obviously no one likes.
It's obvious that the first movie was too real in pointing out the crisis of mental illness mixed with an environment of extreme inequality. The psychology of the Joker is very anti 1%, so they hire one of the richest, most famous celebrities they can in order to divert/destroy everything about The Joker.
I've heard that at the start it was for a moment not even planned to be a movie rather an regular stage play. Which would make more sense with the shift into an musical. Which makes the whole denying of the staff, that it's a musical, in Interviews makes it almost look fraudulent
Because it`s pretty much s**t, and passionless, and virtually plotless, and meandering, director clearly didn`t care and why should he because the story was already told, what a pathetic follow up
I keep seeing all the comments saying "incel Joker", and I'm just like, yeah that's been the defining part of his relationship with Harly since she was first created for the 90s Batman animated series (yes, Harly Quinn was first made for the cartoon BEFORE she was later put into the comics, fun fact). The entire point of why Joker wants to keep Harly around is SPECIFICALLY to torment her mentality and physically. I think that it's more that the general audience is just now realizing this after her increase in popularity over the last 5 or so years. The comic/cartoon fans have always known this.
Lady Gaga might have a huge fanbase, but she's horribly cast as Harley Quinn. She doesn't fit the role whatsoever. Not to mention that, I'm sorry to be the one to say it, but she's not a good actress. Fantastic vocalist (though admittedly not my style of music), but not a good actress at all.
We have to consider two possibilities. Either, Todd got disconnected from the audience and didn't understand that the same narrative wouldn't work again due to us already having experienced the events of the first movie. Or, the more interesting possibility; he wanted to make you mad. Everyone who's seen the movie seem to have felt exactly like the how the Joker movement felt throughout the movie. It's honestly quite impressive he manged to make us feel like them, just like when people wanted him to blast the host in the first movie. But why would anyone want to make a movie where you feel let down by watching it? I don't know, but if anyone were to be part of something like that, it would definitely be Phoenix. He already trolled the world when he said he was going to quiet acting to pursue a career in rapping.
this channel is getting so cheap. “lets make a 15 minute video about a movie we haven’t and refuse to see.” not to mention that it’s essentially a zoom meeting disguised as a video.
Joker 2 is a 'perfect' example of Carblonche being given to filmmakers and/or actors who bring in an unexpected windfall of money on their previous project! Hollywood just learned: If you do that with very eccentric talent, you get an artsy fartsy peace of s^%^ like Joker 2!
Gotta be honest, it's kind of weird to have 2 guys talk about why a movie flopped when one of them hasn't seen it and is openly not interested in it? Not sahing one of them needed to like it or something, but both having seen it would be better...
You couldn’t get two people from the channel to go watch and talk about the film? You got one who did see it and another who says he hated the first one and has no intention of going to see the second one instead? I didn’t rate this film either but I wouldn’t give an opinion or talk about a film if I haven’t seen it, yet this guy is getting paid for it?
Meh. Considering that it seemed like most people loved the original film a reviewer admitting publicly that he couldn't stand it is a breath of fresh air imo.
@@taylorlibby7642 oh I get that he didn’t like it (he said it more than enough times!) I just don’t get why they couldn’t just get two people to go watch this one and talk about it, they have more than enough people working on this channel
Thought it was weird too. If he'd watched it and didn't like it then that would've been understandable. My brother and I watched the first movie together and came away with very different opinions, it happens. But to repeatedly remind us that he didn't watch it seems really weird. If he gave the impression that he wanted to pick the mind of someone who has seen the films, again understandable but he makes it clear (repeatedly) that he doesn't like the films he hasn't seen which he wants to talk about.
You don't have to have enjoyed the first film to be objective or do a good critical job, although I agree that he should have watch the second one to talk about it.
@@kacklina I agree, he didn’t have to like the first one at all, some people didn’t (I did) but I just don’t get why he was chosen to do a video on the second film but not actually watch it, surely someone else on the channel has watched the second one to give an opinion
I saw the first one through to the end, hoping that it would get better. It didn't. It's one of the half dozen or so movies that I would class as tedious - and yet, seeing all the fawning reviews, I thought: 'Maybe I watched a different movie', but no, all these people going nuts over something I'd class as drivel. It's called 'Joker', but it is about A Joker, not THE Joker. A sad, loser wannabe. That's it, and good riddance to it. But no. Here comes a friggin' musical theatre sequel. Really? And it's a flop. Wow. Who would have guessed, eh? 😆😆😆
We, the masses, need to stand strong and not see these for nothing movies. Name it something else, fine, but don't call it Joker when there's NO BATMAN. Call it the Mime, not the Joker.
I think artists should always be allowed to make whatever art they want BUT with that being said, don't expect any calls from any major Studios anytime soon when you decide you want to go balls to the wall with it. I just hope the director gets ready to start directing Independent films in high school movies because that's probably the only calls he's going to be getting for a while
The joker doesn't show remorse or guilt or 2nd doubts. Harley isn't the brains. Can't say the musical parts are part of his insanity then make it out he wasn't insane just angry. This film serves to unravel all of the first
So it’s rated the same as the first one should have been? Good. Now I don’t have to hear how brilliant this present😊piece of crap is. The first one is without a doubt the most overrated piece of crap I’ve ever forced myself to watch. Fortunately this will end the franchise
Lady Gaga ruined this movie. She Had to be HarleyQuinn “in a more grounded serious role” than Margot Robbies Perfect portrayal. I bet she gets nominated
most of the movie takes place as a fantasy in flecks head. of course its a musical. haha i don't think the original was ever supposed to get a sequel. it ends with him in an insane asylum after murdering someone on live tv.. where was it supposed to go from there?
Did I hear correctly? They both disliked the first Joker film? If I heard correctly, why would anyone go into the second film expecting to like it if they disliked the first film? This is not effective journalism, this is just creating an echo chamber to hate on a movie. You aren't going to give an objective view if you are going in to be subjective.
If you make a Venn diagram of Batman fans and fans of musicals, I don't think the overlap is going to be huge, so when you do something like that you are already looking at a small target audience even if the movie is great.
It was destined to flop as soon as someone green lit someone else's ridiculous idea to make a sequel BUT, let's make it a musical. If it was a sequel to a musical fine. But nah. Just nah. I'm embarrassed for them
I wish they'd have made Brendan Gleason Commissioner Gordon and had it from his perspective. Maybe have Gaga has revealed to be Barbra Gordon not Harley the Joker corrupts. Make it Michael Mann's Manhunter meets Killing Joke
Well it cost 200 million to make and it made 121 million the first weekend so if it drops to 45-50 million next weekend with a slow trickle through thanksgiving, it should show a small profit which will be light years ahead of megaflopaliss
If I remember correctly, they normally say a film needs to double it's budget to break even. From what I understand, the theaters get half of that money and the studios get the other half. So, of the $121 million, the theaters would get $60.5 million and the studios would get $60.5 million. So they'd still have a way to go to break even, much less make a profit. That being said... I could be totally wrong on that. Just going off of what I've read in the past.
If you want to understand what made the second movie a financial flop and the first successful you need to understand what people loved about Joker (2019) in the first place. It had a good story, a fantastic main character performance and superb soundtrack, all helping deliver a painful social commentary coming coming from somewhere people never expected: a superhero movie. The main problem of Joker 2 wasn't the musical (ok, that also, but even if it weren't a musical it would have still flopped), but that it didn't have a story to tell. Joaquin Phoenix and the rest of the crew helped turn a good story into a great one. This time they didn't have a story.
Honestly was surprised I liked this movie I was going in ready to hate it from the things I was hearing but seeing it the movie is good to me at least I understand the hate though still a unnecessary sequel
@@captainspaulding5963 Was literally the first news we got about the movie and the entire trailer is about singing, they literally have a Disney monolog about it 🤦♂️😂
the moment I heard it was a musical I lost interest in it. well the original is still a great film at least. and don't be too hard on Todd Phillips, sure he messed this up but that doesn't change the fact the first film was a big success, he didn't even really want to make a sequel but joker was such a big success they insisted on a sequel. give todd Phillips free reign with his next film and he'll probably make something good.
Just because the first movie made a lot of money doesn’t mean it is a good movie. I’m like Ewan and hated the first Joker movie. I can’t believe it actually made a “billion dollars”…..nothing about the first Joker got me excited. I never felt a connection with Fleck so that I was rooting for him to turn into the Joker and cause chaos. I hated that they changed his laugh from that of a madman into a some sort of uncontrollable mental condition. To each their own, but for me, Joker was the first movie in a long time that when it was over I felt robbed of both my time and money.
I watched it, and I liked the movie. Its not perfect, its not nearly as good as the first one, but its not terrible. People are expecting a repeat of the first, so they are going in with high expectations that won't be met. The ending is going to upset people, which is a valid criticism. Another valid criticism is how it does rehash too much of the movie to apparently pad out the time along with the musical numbers. What some people don't understand about the movie is it seems to be a flip of the standard Joker/Harley relationship. First off, a lot of people don't recognize that Joker/Harley have a toxic relationship that is not health. Usually its played off as Joker being the more manipulative one in the relationship, and this movie has it where Harley is the more manipulative one. I think a lot of people don't see or understand that aspect of the movie.
I didn't (and still don't) understand what anyone saw in the first one that they liked. I mean, obviously there was something there because it was, for some unknown to me reason, popular but...yuck.
Cuz he got raped. Ironically, people are complaining about it being a musical but the musical numbers were actually pretty good. The movie would have been better if they leaned into the musical aspects more.
I am 100% sure that Todd Philips wanted this to happen, he sabotaged this movie to make a statement about unnecessary sequels, and to expose studio stupidity, by getting them to approve increasingly outlandish ideas and see how long it would take for somebody to stop it.
Why did it flop.... : ahem:
We never wanted a sequel. We never wanted a shoehorned in harley quinn. We didnt want a musical.
We want batman in our batman universe films, and not just blink and you miss it cameos.
"At the same time, they believe Phillips is a creative genius and worthy of gambling on."
You know what a creative genius doesn't do? He doesn't empower his lead actor to skip stunt rehearsals and to do whatever he wants during fight scenes and stunt-scenes in ways that endanger themself and the other actors/stuntpeople in the scene.
Honestly, once I read about Phoenix's antics on the first film, and the Phillips allowed it? I vowed to never give either man another dime by supporting anything they created again.
A genius understands how to make art in ways that respect the other people involved. Phillips is a hack.
Where can I read about this?
They lost sight of what they had created. They made the joker and harley relationship more positive than it really is, They romanticized a character that isnt meant to be.
Joker should have stayed a one and done.
Exactly that. The story was complete already. This is a sequel that simply should not exist in any form.
Kinda get the impression the guy with glasses didn’t like the first joker, maybe just a hunch
Yet he called Birds of Prey a good movie...
Oh, I get it. He is a "critic". He does have that snobby vibe about him.
Just when DC have light they shoot the sun with a bazooka 😂😂😂
Simple, it’s a bad film, the critic & audience response has been massively negative & word of mouth has spread about it.
Hollywood has successfully memory-holed the fact that the original Joker's success was a combination of the film being a comic film bait-and-switch and the mainstream media doing their PR work for them by running article after article saying "if you go to this film, a theater shoot might get you!" which made them want to find out what the deal was.
Because the filmmakers hate the audience
What hapened to joker in prison is what Todd Phillips intended for the audience.
No, you have to consider two possibilities. Either, he got disconnected from the audience and didn't understand that the same narrative wouldn't work again due to us already having experienced the events of the first movie. Or, the more interesting possibility; he wanted to make you mad. Everyone who's seen the movie seem ti have fler exactly like the how the Joker movement felt throughout the movie. It's honestly quite impressive he manged to make us feel like them, just like when people wanted him to blast the host in the first movie. But why would anyone want to make a movie where you feel let down by watching it? I don't know, but anyone were to be part of something like that, it would definitely be Phoenix. He already trolled the world when he said he was going to quiet acting to pursue a career in rapping.
@@comebackguy8892 i dont have to consider either of those possibilities, Todd Phillips ruined a CLASSIC out of spite and pressure from executives to push woke demoralisation tactics of an angry public. we are no longer in a film industry anymore but instead egos and propaganda.
@@squarebearderry Do you only study what you like, only study your victories? It's an interesting case, just as a psychiatrist would say about a crazy killer.
Starting the countdown now for when the studio/director/actors blame the "toxic fans" for this failure instead of their own shortcomings.
I was one of the last ones who walked out the auditorium 😂
THIS MOVIE IS HORRIBLE.
WHAT A SHAME BC THE FIRST ONE IS A MASTERPIECE 😢
I watched it on a Thursday night. Was so disappointed had to wash it down by watching transformers during the weekend
I mean in Transformers defense, thats like saying you ate a pile of dog shit and then you were sad it didnt taste good, so you ate a tri tip steak the on the weekend.
Because it was a musical. This is 14 minutes and 30 seconds too long.
It's so obvious: the director didn't want to make a second movie, but they forced him by offering an insane amount of money. To stick it to them he made this dumpster fire.
Think of Joker. OK, now all I know about Joker 2 is that it's a musical.
Then you know nothing. It was marketed as a musical, but it's really not. In a musical, people start to sing randomly like it's normal. Not in this movie. Here, Joker or Harley sing on a stage or as prisoners cheer this lunatic on or as he commits crimes. No one thinks it's normal. Important parts of the movie aren't sung either, only at times to add some "action" to an otherwise boring story and to show what is going through Arthur's mind. So really, this is just a continuation of Joker's dancing from the first movie.
@comebackguy8892 well exactly I only know the marketing. Like most people, and that's why it's flopping.
@@wreckitralph4714 Well, not exactly you said it was a musical, I just wanted to point out that the direction wasn't the issue, just the marketing. There's only like 15 minutes of song in this movie. And sadly, those were the only interesting parts. It's technically just an epilogue, that LITERALLY let's down the audience. I don't want to spoil it, but the movie basically wanted you to feel let down. It's an insane decision that obviously no one likes.
"Baby's first Scorsese film." I love that.
It's obvious that the first movie was too real in pointing out the crisis of mental illness mixed with an environment of extreme inequality.
The psychology of the Joker is very anti 1%, so they hire one of the richest, most famous celebrities they can in order to divert/destroy everything about The Joker.
I've heard that at the start it was for a moment not even planned to be a movie rather an regular stage play. Which would make more sense with the shift into an musical.
Which makes the whole denying of the staff, that it's a musical, in Interviews makes it almost look fraudulent
Because it`s pretty much s**t, and passionless, and virtually plotless, and meandering, director clearly didn`t care and why should he because the story was already told, what a pathetic follow up
I keep seeing all the comments saying "incel Joker", and I'm just like, yeah that's been the defining part of his relationship with Harly since she was first created for the 90s Batman animated series (yes, Harly Quinn was first made for the cartoon BEFORE she was later put into the comics, fun fact). The entire point of why Joker wants to keep Harly around is SPECIFICALLY to torment her mentality and physically. I think that it's more that the general audience is just now realizing this after her increase in popularity over the last 5 or so years. The comic/cartoon fans have always known this.
Lady Gaga might have a huge fanbase, but she's horribly cast as Harley Quinn. She doesn't fit the role whatsoever. Not to mention that, I'm sorry to be the one to say it, but she's not a good actress. Fantastic vocalist (though admittedly not my style of music), but not a good actress at all.
Have you seen House of Gucci?
She doesn't fit the TYPICAL Harley character, but none of the characters in these movies are the typical versions.
@@comebackguy8892 yes she's terrible
@@s.a.l948 Each to their own, I guess...
We have to consider two possibilities. Either, Todd got disconnected from the audience and didn't understand that the same narrative wouldn't work again due to us already having experienced the events of the first movie. Or, the more interesting possibility; he wanted to make you mad. Everyone who's seen the movie seem to have felt exactly like the how the Joker movement felt throughout the movie. It's honestly quite impressive he manged to make us feel like them, just like when people wanted him to blast the host in the first movie. But why would anyone want to make a movie where you feel let down by watching it? I don't know, but if anyone were to be part of something like that, it would definitely be Phoenix. He already trolled the world when he said he was going to quiet acting to pursue a career in rapping.
this channel is getting so cheap. “lets make a 15 minute video about a movie we haven’t and refuse to see.” not to mention that it’s essentially a zoom meeting disguised as a video.
What are you looking for?
Send in the frowns.
So, now movie critics make comments on a movie they haven't seen.... wow....
It's a spite movie. It feels like they actively hated their audience.
I love the original joker movie, sad to see this is such a catastrophic flop
Joker 2 is a 'perfect' example of Carblonche being given to filmmakers and/or actors who bring in an unexpected windfall of money on their previous project! Hollywood just learned: If you do that with very eccentric talent, you get an artsy fartsy peace of s^%^ like Joker 2!
Did that nerd call Joker a bad movie, and Birds of Prey a good movie? 🙈🤓🙉
Thank you! That dude is a fukn nerd 👏👏👏😂🙌💯
The musical could have worked of done right but the movie looks like Todd Phillips just wanted to tell WB that he don't want to do any sequel anymore.
Gotta be honest, it's kind of weird to have 2 guys talk about why a movie flopped when one of them hasn't seen it and is openly not interested in it? Not sahing one of them needed to like it or something, but both having seen it would be better...
There wasn't a taxi driver 2 or king of comedy 2 for them to copy
Todd Philips made Joker 2 bad on purpose. Matrix 4 all over.
You couldn’t get two people from the channel to go watch and talk about the film? You got one who did see it and another who says he hated the first one and has no intention of going to see the second one instead? I didn’t rate this film either but I wouldn’t give an opinion or talk about a film if I haven’t seen it, yet this guy is getting paid for it?
Meh. Considering that it seemed like most people loved the original film a reviewer admitting publicly that he couldn't stand it is a breath of fresh air imo.
@@taylorlibby7642 oh I get that he didn’t like it (he said it more than enough times!) I just don’t get why they couldn’t just get two people to go watch this one and talk about it, they have more than enough people working on this channel
Thought it was weird too. If he'd watched it and didn't like it then that would've been understandable. My brother and I watched the first movie together and came away with very different opinions, it happens. But to repeatedly remind us that he didn't watch it seems really weird. If he gave the impression that he wanted to pick the mind of someone who has seen the films, again understandable but he makes it clear (repeatedly) that he doesn't like the films he hasn't seen which he wants to talk about.
You don't have to have enjoyed the first film to be objective or do a good critical job, although I agree that he should have watch the second one to talk about it.
@@kacklina I agree, he didn’t have to like the first one at all, some people didn’t (I did) but I just don’t get why he was chosen to do a video on the second film but not actually watch it, surely someone else on the channel has watched the second one to give an opinion
Awsome video supported you from Norway 🇧🇻
Did Ryan Johnson consulted on this thing?!
*Rian
And no, then it would have actually been good
I didn't like the first one either.
Why? Simple, it's a musical.
💯
I agree. I love musicals but I did NOT want Joker 2 to be a musical. Making it a musical immediately signed its death warrant. So disappointing.
Facts. The only musicals I personally enjoy are animated and usually made by Disney,
Not true at all, there are several popular musicals.
It flopped because they r*ped and murdered the star....
i didn't mind that it was a musical but it was still bad though
I saw the first one through to the end, hoping that it would get better. It didn't. It's one of the half dozen or so movies that I would class as tedious - and yet, seeing all the fawning reviews, I thought: 'Maybe I watched a different movie', but no, all these people going nuts over something I'd class as drivel. It's called 'Joker', but it is about A Joker, not THE Joker. A sad, loser wannabe. That's it, and good riddance to it.
But no. Here comes a friggin' musical theatre sequel. Really?
And it's a flop. Wow. Who would have guessed, eh? 😆😆😆
We, the masses, need to stand strong and not see these for nothing movies. Name it something else, fine, but don't call it Joker when there's NO BATMAN. Call it the Mime, not the Joker.
I think artists should always be allowed to make whatever art they want BUT with that being said, don't expect any calls from any major Studios anytime soon when you decide you want to go balls to the wall with it. I just hope the director gets ready to start directing Independent films in high school movies because that's probably the only calls he's going to be getting for a while
I know how many fans of Star Wars felt when they saw the last Jedi. Stunned… What was that?
The reason the first one made a bill is because it was a masterpiece! They could've went much darker but instead gave us this hot turd
A sequel should be in the genre of the original.
Phoenix played joker better than ledger in the 1st movie without a doubt. We can pretend this movie dont exist. It's an anomaly.
The joker doesn't show remorse or guilt or 2nd doubts.
Harley isn't the brains.
Can't say the musical parts are part of his insanity then make it out he wasn't insane just angry.
This film serves to unravel all of the first
I knew it would suck! the first one seriously caught lightning in a bottle considering they really took liberties with Joker’s origin story
Joker 2 is a jukebox musical, with a rape scene. Yet, they didn’t use Rape Me by Nirvana…literally…the film makes so many mistakes…
So it’s rated the same as the first one should have been? Good. Now I don’t have to hear how brilliant this present😊piece of crap is. The first one is without a doubt the most overrated piece of crap I’ve ever forced myself to watch. Fortunately this will end the franchise
I cannot wait for the third Joker movie.
Joker: Ménage A Trois.
Lady Gaga ruined this movie. She Had to be HarleyQuinn “in a more grounded serious role” than Margot Robbies Perfect portrayal. I bet she gets nominated
most of the movie takes place as a fantasy in flecks head. of course its a musical. haha i don't think the original was ever supposed to get a sequel. it ends with him in an insane asylum after murdering someone on live tv.. where was it supposed to go from there?
Why didn't arthur sing on his way out. 😅
I knew going in it was a musical. I didn't know it was going to be intentionally bad.
The marvels had a bigger us opening box office than joker 2. Just let that settle in
They wish it was 40 millions. Came in even lower at 37 million.
Glad I spent my money on Alien Romulus instead. That was a great movie!
Did I hear correctly? They both disliked the first Joker film? If I heard correctly, why would anyone go into the second film expecting to like it if they disliked the first film? This is not effective journalism, this is just creating an echo chamber to hate on a movie. You aren't going to give an objective view if you are going in to be subjective.
If you make a Venn diagram of Batman fans and fans of musicals, I don't think the overlap is going to be huge, so when you do something like that you are already looking at a small target audience even if the movie is great.
if you got what the forst movie was trying to say this was a perfect follow up
It was destined to flop as soon as someone green lit someone else's ridiculous idea to make a sequel BUT, let's make it a musical. If it was a sequel to a musical fine. But nah. Just nah. I'm embarrassed for them
Dunno why, I was never bored even though it needed a cut in the usual modern movie runtime. Unlike Romulus which I found tediously derivative.
I wish they'd have made Brendan Gleason Commissioner Gordon and had it from his perspective. Maybe have Gaga has revealed to be Barbra Gordon not Harley the Joker corrupts. Make it Michael Mann's Manhunter meets Killing Joke
I knew it would bomb as soon as it was announced to be a musical
They ruined it so the poors wouldn't idolize it
The what ?
Nobody asked for it to be a musical just because Lady Gaga is in it
It failed cause of overthinking. DC stop overthinking. Musical... wtf
Movies aren't making any money because no one has any money to go to the movies.
It's karma for all the shitty decisiones wb has made in the last few years
"just flopped"??? i knew this movie was gonna flop when they announced it.
Well it cost 200 million to make and it made 121 million the first weekend so if it drops to 45-50 million next weekend with a slow trickle through thanksgiving, it should show a small profit which will be light years ahead of megaflopaliss
If I remember correctly, they normally say a film needs to double it's budget to break even. From what I understand, the theaters get half of that money and the studios get the other half. So, of the $121 million, the theaters would get $60.5 million and the studios would get $60.5 million. So they'd still have a way to go to break even, much less make a profit. That being said... I could be totally wrong on that. Just going off of what I've read in the past.
It’s simple. Nobody wanted it in the first place.
It’s interesting how many comments are making the same points. Didn’t seen it, gonna watch it on streaming, but the comments are interesting
I was curious to listen to this but as soon as these 2 ponces started trashing the first one I gave up
As soon as I heard it was going to be a musical, I was out...
Once I heard musical I knew it would flop
Why not just make a regular video? Nobody wants to hear all this talking
If you want to understand what made the second movie a financial flop and the first successful you need to understand what people loved about Joker (2019) in the first place. It had a good story, a fantastic main character performance and superb soundtrack, all helping deliver a painful social commentary coming coming from somewhere people never expected: a superhero movie. The main problem of Joker 2 wasn't the musical (ok, that also, but even if it weren't a musical it would have still flopped), but that it didn't have a story to tell. Joaquin Phoenix and the rest of the crew helped turn a good story into a great one. This time they didn't have a story.
*comic book movie*
There's a gigantic difference....
Honestly was surprised I liked this movie I was going in ready to hate it from the things I was hearing but seeing it the movie is good to me at least I understand the hate though still a unnecessary sequel
It's not the Joker...
Nobody likes musicals
Speak for yourself
I do
Can't wait to see how bad this is
You can't read my Joker face.
The target audience is dudes,dudes ain't tryna see a damn musical.
It failed for 2 main reasons, 1, it was a musical and 2, Gaga was Harley.
No, because it was marketed as a musical.
@@comebackguy8892 it MOST DEFINITELY was not marketed as a musical.... none of the trailers show gigantic chorus numbers
@@captainspaulding5963 Was literally the first news we got about the movie and the entire trailer is about singing, they literally have a Disney monolog about it 🤦♂️😂
the moment I heard it was a musical I lost interest in it. well the original is still a great film at least. and don't be too hard on Todd Phillips, sure he messed this up but that doesn't change the fact the first film was a big success, he didn't even really want to make a sequel but joker was such a big success they insisted on a sequel. give todd Phillips free reign with his next film and he'll probably make something good.
Just because the first movie made a lot of money doesn’t mean it is a good movie. I’m like Ewan and hated the first Joker movie. I can’t believe it actually made a “billion dollars”…..nothing about the first Joker got me excited. I never felt a connection with Fleck so that I was rooting for him to turn into the Joker and cause chaos. I hated that they changed his laugh from that of a madman into a some sort of uncontrollable mental condition. To each their own, but for me, Joker was the first movie in a long time that when it was over I felt robbed of both my time and money.
I only feel sorry for Joaquin phoenix to starve again for months to do this crap
I watched it, and I liked the movie. Its not perfect, its not nearly as good as the first one, but its not terrible. People are expecting a repeat of the first, so they are going in with high expectations that won't be met. The ending is going to upset people, which is a valid criticism. Another valid criticism is how it does rehash too much of the movie to apparently pad out the time along with the musical numbers. What some people don't understand about the movie is it seems to be a flip of the standard Joker/Harley relationship. First off, a lot of people don't recognize that Joker/Harley have a toxic relationship that is not health. Usually its played off as Joker being the more manipulative one in the relationship, and this movie has it where Harley is the more manipulative one. I think a lot of people don't see or understand that aspect of the movie.
I didn't (and still don't) understand what anyone saw in the first one that they liked. I mean, obviously there was something there because it was, for some unknown to me reason, popular but...yuck.
Cuz he got raped.
Ironically, people are complaining about it being a musical but the musical numbers were actually pretty good. The movie would have been better if they leaned into the musical aspects more.
I wonder if it's as dull as your review
I am 100% sure that Todd Philips wanted this to happen, he sabotaged this movie to make a statement about unnecessary sequels, and to expose studio stupidity, by getting them to approve increasingly outlandish ideas and see how long it would take for somebody to stop it.
And this proves that TP is not a genius, is just an asshole
Worst movie of 2024.
Did you see Megalopolis?
@@darealjm how was that?
I feel bad for everyone that doesn’t like this movie
Great Stuff!
It flopped in US but not in the world
Its so so bad its not funny
Isn't Gareth Morgan a sweet'ums?
And is it just me that thinks he looks like the "Blackbelt Barrister" (only more cute)?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂