Big Old ROLLS ROYCE GRIFFON ENGINES Cold Straing Up and Sound 2
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Any Rolls Royce Griffon Fans ?
Griffon Spitfire main here.
As a Dutch tracktor pulling fan I always prefer the big V-12 above the V-8 teams. th-cam.com/video/FDo28Vibtjg/w-d-xo.html
Team "The Judge" and "It Kypmantsje" also used Griffons. Team "popeye" used Allisons like in the P-38.
Hi! I certainly love engines in general! Obviously this Griffon is one major badass! The only significant difference I can see between the Griff and the Merlin is that the Griff has a transmission to support counter-rotating props. I'm sure there are other differences. In America, Merlins were made under license by Packard. Did Packard make any Griffons?
@@PieterHalveLiter Didn't the old PT Boats have 2 and sometimes 3 Allison or other brand of V12??
@@spaceace1006 Nope, I guess not. The Allied forces used the Griffon @ the end of the 2nd worldwar....... So no need to help them build.......
Engines breathe, smell, have a sound a pulse and heat up.
They have soul!
Kind of cool how every identical engine has its own personality....My late uncle flew the P-51 Mustang in air to air combat.....later flew the F-4 Phantom...and many other planes in between ....(the beautiful F-105)... 35 yr. Vet. I miss flying with him.
Respect for your Uncle's memory and the service he gave.
@@peteacher52 Thank you....he was every bit a true patriot.
ABSOLUTELY LOVE THOSE GRIFFON ENGINES!
Listen too that music, so soothing ahhhh!!
It just never gets old
I wonder in a few years time whether folk will line up to see electric engines running, would be like listening to the fridge motor.
Commentaire génial !!
Hahaha
Lets hope not...
Woow best music of rolls Royce griffon
1:12 - 2:00 That's a savage little slicer whisking around on the front of that engine. Don't fancy straying into that by mistake!
I thought the same...bad accident waiting to happen
The engines are like "what the hell is wrong with these guys having us stuck on demonstration stands! We want to fly!" 😂
@Wacko Jacko also used in Tanks.
@Wacko Jacko I know someone who has one in a boat and still uses it, seriously fast bit of kit.
Yeah i know right!!!! Put it in something and go fly!!!
Gotta love the counter rotating props being seen at different rates
Amazing video, thanks for posting!!!
Pro-tip for making videos of airplane propellers. If the camera has manual settings, select a large shuttle angle/slower shutter speed to induce more motion blur. This will help eliminate the annoying shutter speed sync that makes it look like the propeller is stopped or slowing turning. Our eyes and brain see moving objects as blur, the camera should too. This can be achieved by lowering the sensor sensitivity or placing a Neutral Density filter over the lens.
Or use a professional video camera! Not having built in ND filters is a big drawback when you have to add different filters to the front of the camera instead. 1/50 or 1/60 is usually the preferred speed, which means using a very dense ND in bright light. Stopping down the lens too far will give soft pictures.
Ppppp 👌👌👌👌
Tyy555.
@@garethonthetube ฏ
Yeah! That illusion created by the frame rate is really confusing! But then, it's still a fascinating phenomenon!!
Excellent moi!!💪✈️🌠💫
Lovely sight & sound from those Rolls-Royce Griffon engines! Yes they sound better powering a Spitfire but they do sound interesting on a trailer test bed.
I note from 3.20 onwards to the video's conclusion that the location is the Imperial War Museum, Duxford, Cambs during an air show whenever that was. Shame they don't do static engine runs there now!
The Griffon engine does tend to have a more meaty & throaty exhaust note to it than the Merlin but I am not in any way shape or form being critical of the Merlin engine, far from it!
It is a lovely sounding engine & both Rolls-Royce engines scream the best of British engineering that is for sure!
P-47 any day of the week when that giant turbo spools up
aMAZING!
I think it is wonderful, that people enjoy watching internal combustion engines run FFF Fossil fuels forever. Amen.
@Wacko Jacko Almost as much fun as watching a troll watching a video just to talk shit about something he obviously knows fuck all about!
I remember hearing them when they used them in hydroplanes practicing for the seafare races
Despite the text at the bottom of the video, this engine was not a development of the Merlin, but was an entirely new design effort. Its lineage in R-R was Kestel -> Buzzard -> R -> 1931/1933 Griffon -> development ends.... started anew with basic V12 layout, and the same bore and stroke as the R, and required to be built using the same basic plant and equipment, but apart from that, nothing in common with the Merlin and its tortuous and troublesome development path.
Despite the original intent of a new design, the early Merlins came directly from the Kestrel, it did not benefit from much of the development work done on the Buzzard and R. Significant development continued throughout its life, however, even at the end of its development, it did not meet a number of its original 1933 design objectives.
Work was stopped on the Griffon for a while so that R-R could focus its entire design department on getting the Merlin into a fit state (also, at this time, work on the Peregrine, Vulture, and Exe was stopped, and the projects cancelled for the same reason, amongst others).
Also, unlike the text at the bottom of the screen, the Rolls-Royce Merlin's two-stage supercharger was a closely integrated unit comprising both supercharger stages, the supercharger drive, and the interstage intercooler. The change from the single-stage to two-stage supercharger was effected after Stanley Hooker determined that the supercharger from the abandoned Vulture X24 would make a good first stage, the second stage being developed from the original Merlin supercharger. Although different, the Packard version was similar. AFAIK, it was only some models of the Allison V-1710 had the auxiliary first-stage (not second-stage) supercharger.
So in this respect, the Merlin and the Griffon were not that different.
The Griffon had a larger frontal area than the Merlin, was shorter but was significantly heavier, requiring extensive changes to the Spitfire.
Now this is the best Rolls Royce Engine circa WW2 .
2250-2350 +PLUS HP with Contra Rotation Props . Awesome 👌
It was a fundamentally better engine that did away with many of the issues of the Merlin, but even as it was being designed, R-R knew the combustion chambers were far too large and the stroke far too long. The last series of Merlins had a better power profile, were lighter and reliable enough for military fighter applications. In some respects R-R should have pushed the Merlin even harder and not put the Griffin in the Spitfire, it was not originally designed for the Spitfire but for naval aircraft. However, it was better suited to the Shackleton with its tortuously long surveillance flight than the Merlin would ever have been.
An unofficial design study was done by (the brilliant) Stewart Tresilian when he was working for R-R (for the second time - this time Hives secretly moved his design office to Derby one weekend after numerous requests for Tresilian to move himself to Derby - this was to allow Tresilian to work with Lombard on turbines, Tresilian disliked Lombard and instantly resigned, in his first stint at R-R he worked with Rowledge et al. on the R engines, and reportedly was instrumental in the work to increase the RPM) on small capacity, short stroke, x16, compound, piston engines, his study showed such engines to be superior to not only all previous R-R piston engines but also to the turbo-props then under development.
That tractor puller is simply 100% bad assed. Would love to have that thing to drive around the yard.
Anyone here familiar with the old "Thunderboats" (Hydroplanes), that raced furiously in the early 1950s, all the way into the late 1970s? Allison engines, and also Rolls-Merlin engines were mounted in those dangerous, but very fast, hydroplane boats...A few of those boats managed to also use the Griffon engines...and they were definitely an advantage over the other two engines, as they put out at least 200hp more!...Those boats would achieve speeds close to 200mph on the backstretch of their 3 mile course!...In Seattle, Washington, during the summer, a field of 20 boats or more would be almost flying over the waters of Lake Washington, attracting race-day crowds of 300,000 or more. You could hear the unmuffled roar of those powerful engines from 10 miles away! The engines eventually became very scarce, so the boats switched to jet engines...Still very fast, but they sounded more like vacuum cleaners, than beefy engines!...The sport has dwindled in popularity, and simply is not nearly as exciting, without the obscene roar of those aircraft engines!
I love it good
Keep uploading videos like this
3:00 could you imagine living next door to that guy lol
1:15 its never going to take off with that propeller, even if it had all its blades!
“Cold straing up?” 😂😂😂😂
It's always weird to me when filming stuff like this with high ISOs and fast shutter speeds how slow the props appear to move. :)
Doesn't matter how fast the shutter speed is, the prop's apparent speed to the viewer will always be entirely dependent on the extent to which the blades are in phase with the frame rate. If you have an HD frame rate of 60 FPS, and the prop is rotating at exactly 900 RPM, then it will appear stationary because the shutter is opening and closing at precisely four times the speed that the blades are rotating.
@@davidstewart4570 yes...FPS, it's just math....but the exposure time is what blows me away....on a single frame you can read the serial numbers on the prop as its turning, rather than it being blurred.
Works like an automotive timing light.
they sound better under a load much better than just freewheeling
To be accurate, both the Griffon and the Merlin were developed from the first Rolls Royce "R" engines.
These Schneider Trophy engines were 36.7 litre.
The Merlin was a scaled back version of this - the Griffon more in keeping with the original.
Had one in my mg when I was in high school lol
The Rolls Royce Griffin engine powered the AVRO Shackleton.
There is a great video 📹 on TH-cam called 'Perpetual Motion' AVRO Shackleton which I highly recommend. 👌
Goota love the guy at 2:35 starting the thing in his backyard
I can smell the 130 octane avgas right now !
Haha 3:20 I hear a familiar accent... Then I see the trailer's number plate.... Bladdy Sarff Effriekins.
That trailer @ 13 was heading for the runway
Greta needs to realize that without internal combustion engines life as we now know it would not exist she wouldn't have the lifestyle she has and rather than criticism should be thankful for these marvelous machines.
They sure seem to be a cold blooded engine.
@ 1,11 I'm pretty sure that broken fan isn't sufficient to cool that engine. 😁
3:16 When you hope dad's torque wrench was calibrated before tightening those propeller blade bolts.
"Not Much of an Engineer" Book by Sir Stanley Hooker, a bloody ripper book. Treat yourself, well worth it.
£14.99 for the paperback, ordered. Looking forward to reading it, thank you Mark.
A Griffon and Merlin fan.
Me too but I've added V12 Allisons. All 3 are the bold and the beautiful.
Hey, how ya going, come out the back I’ll fire up the Griffon!
do these props have a clutch. they seem to slow down and reverse. or is this some sort of a motion parallax?
As an ex RAF Erk , can I just say, gis a go !!😅
I wonder why if the griffon engine was actually shorter than the merlin, Why the noses of the griffon powered spits were longer. Nice video 👍
They stuffed a few more stuff between the engine and the cockpit.
Maybe the Griffon was lighter ,requiring different positioning from the C of G - where the wings are.
I love the sound of both the Grifon and Merlin engines. Would someone tell me why Grifon's were fitted with twin counter-rotating props?
So much torque, it made the plane easier to fly, the contra-rotating props canceled out the torque
@@GriffonGrowl Thanks for the information
That engine was fitted in the Avro Shackleton. 4 engined aircraft
@@woodthorpe100 didn't the Avro Lincoln also have the RR Griffon fitted
@@woodthorpe100 The SAAF had a few Shackletons used for coastal patrol. Wonderful birds.
You'd think that with multiple titles that start with " ...ENGINES Cold Straing Up and Sound" that someone would eventually catch that "Straing" is spelled "Starting".
Typical TH-cam numptiness.
It's a Man's world!
Curious - what is straing up please.
For once, I'd love to hear the engine with big mufflers on it.
Muffler? That's blasphemy. That's like painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa.
@@gmcjetpilot LOLOL
sounds like a top fuel dragster engine.
1:55 dude has a death wish.
I was worried about the ones with props taking off
I notice that even though these are water cooled engines none seem to have radiators. Is that because they don't run them long enough or or fast enough to over heat?
It's exactly that. They are also not producing much power on those test beds either unless it's one of those few with large props on the front, and then they do need cooling if they are to be run for any time and, what's more, firmly tethered too. What a lot of them do have, which won't be obvious, is a tank in the base of the trailer with coolant in it so there is more liquid to heat up.
@@TheEulerID Thanks for the reply Steve. I did notice on a few of them had a tank but didn't know what it was. Glad to see these guys keeping these old engines running.
The starter for those must have a hell of lot a torq
why is the propller so small on that one? doe HP make a difference?
The propellors are so small for 2 reasons, #1 to keep them from hitting the ground and #2 they use them for wind machines sometimes for Hollywood movies.
Oh, the sound of a Shackleton.
or one quarter the sound of one.
Many years ago, didn't a guy put one of those in a Ford mustang funny car, named for P51 mustang.
Somebody needs to offer a smaller version of Griffons or Merlins that can be retrofitted into a vehicle that normally accomodates a V8! How about this? Bring back the Dodge Viper! Call it the Dodge Merlin-Viper! Or a Merlin Corvette! How about a Mustang with a slightly longer front end..the Merlin Mustang!! Or a Merlin Ford GT!!
although i agree with you - probably won't happen.
the new way is to forced aspirate small displacement engines.
new technology is developing a 6 liter 4 cylinder. no replacement for displacement.
the next big shift in power and efficiency will be cam-less computer controlled valve trains on large 4 cylinder engines.
I've voiced some speculation about camless valve systems!
As to the smaller turbocharged engines like Ford Ecoboost, they are pretty awesome! My F150 has the 2.7 Twin Turbo. It's like a rocket! Still, the idea of monster engine, street legal cars would be cool!! Even make the engines low tech! Bring back the carbs & distributors!!
Dodge Viper still exhausts in 8.5 litre form as do the mustang ( Ford not aeroplane ) and the corvette.
There was a Jaguar V12 made for a scaled-down version of the Spitfire (if memory serves). I think it was around 9 to 10 liters, the Le Mans engines in the Silk cut cars were 7 liters. The Jag has the same firing order as the Merlin and with short stub pipes sounds very similar. In standard trim, the Jag V12 was very over-square, allowing big valves and thus allowing Jag to get away with two valve SOHC heads and still win Le Mans using standard block castings off the production line. The production 5.3-liter engine did 6500rpm and the 6.0-liter engine did 6000 rpm. However, if the stroke is made too long, the engine will be valve-area limited. I am trying to remember where I saw the info on the engine for the scaled-down Spitfire.
The Griffin had three different firing orders, none of which were the same as the Merlin, the Mark I had two firing orders and all subsequent engines had a different firing order, it also turned in the opposite direction. All the firing orders sound different, one of them produced a high-pitched "whine" that the Shackleton crews hated.
The Dodge Viper is a V10 and sounds very different
Had me concerned as the first engine shown is definitely not a Griffith
Too bad they are not in aircraft where they belong.
What's a straing up?
how many with valves not adjusted.
Стучат?
I'm no expert but the propeller on the one at 1:40 is really awfully small isn't it??
Is it me or do they sound like hemi's
It looked like that one guy put a junk car fan with a couple blades missing on the front of the engine for a gag, but if you ever see anything like that IRL then don't stand anywhere to the side of it, because it could throw a blade at any time. I have seen it happen.
What is "Straing Up?"
Your propeller looks a bit undersized.
The P51 Mustang was an avg fighter until Britan stuck that beast into the Mustang
THE REST IS HISTORY
@General Melchett There where some Mustangs that raced at Reno that had Griffons fitted to them.
The Mustang Is and IIs were *above average fighters* and the RAF used them until the end of the war. They didn't have good performance at high altitude but neither did the Tempest or most Mosquito fighter bombers which were both well regarded. There was plenty of fighting done at medium and low altitude and the Mustangs were faster than the FW 190As. They ended up doing low level photo reconnaissance.
Where are you from guys ?
Russia 🇷🇺. Люблю звук любых двигателей, независимо от транспорта
From what I remember, a Griffon Engine is 30% larger, weighs mores and horsepower.
Revolves the opposite way to a Merlin.
@General Melchett Actually the pilots set the rudder trim for take-off in the incorrect direction, and no amount of "boot" will compensate for that. Pilots are certainly capable of applying the rudder quickly, but resetting the trim when ones hands are full of other duties is not possible.
I did a lot of cycling and didn't need any single engine rudder trim on my twin IR! _Slow flying would be different._
How would the rudder weight compare between a thousand plus horsepower single fighter on take off and a twin having an engine pulled? *PLEASE*
@General Melchett Much appreciated _Mungus_
That poor guy just lost about six months of good hearing
Ive been seeing "straing" on yt lately. I don't think it's an actual word.
Straining? Spell check lacks a lot of words that I have had to add.
@@tundramanq I suppose it's possible, but engines in those videos aren't straining very much with little to no load on them.
We may never know.
I love engines straing. 😂
MAN I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE A LITTLE FLIGHT ...ON MY BUCKET LIST... I would pay for a flight
These guys, no eye protection, no ear plugs, many of the engines with no cooling. If these engines aren’t going to put you in the air what’s the point. Some weird shit.
"Straing" ?
W T F is holding those trailers back?
Magic
LIFE TIME OF HEARING DAMAGE
The hydroplanes that raced in Lake Washington, were so incredibly loud, that you had to plug your ears when they would pull away from the dock area...Extremely impressive to listen to!