I think as lifters we forget how incredibly far we are from untrained people. I recently deadlifted 500lbs, i do not consider myself particularly strong. I don't brag about it, theirs nothing to brag about. Sometimes it comes up in conversation and i reluctantly tell people what i lift and they are in absolute shock. The average general population cannot even fathom holding 500lbs in their hands. Joe is stronger and in much better shape than a normal 54 year old. Can he do better? Maybe, yeah. But context is important. This is probably enough to keep him healthy and fit into his old age without taking away from his othet activities
100%. If im close to his shape at his age, i'll be over the moon with that. Like you say, i dont think people realize just how not normal strong people are. If you can squat 3 plates, you're going to encounter VERY few people on a weekly basis who are stronger than you.
@@JohnSmith-yx8kf agreed. A 3 plate squat is top 1% of 1%. Most people are not even consistantly training. And those who are, are often lifetime novices because they fail to eat and sleep enough. Most 54 year olds would kill to be able to lift a 70lb kettlebell
I've heard from so many people that their nagging back pain disappeared once they started deadlifting. Most of the time this pain is caused by a weak back and the deadlift is the single best way to increase back strength.
There are many other ways, such as jefferson curls, back extensions and superman holds, but the idea is to train the back so you get stronger enough to have no pain
Training helps back pain for sure, but that doesn't mean the pain is caused by a weak back. There are plenty of very, very strong people who have back pain. If the "weakness causes pain" narrative were true, they should be essentially immune to pain, which they aren't at all.
Haven't finished the video yet but thought I'd throw in my personal observation from starting martials arts, specifically Muay Thai. In our Muay Thai gym, we jump rope as a warm up and I constantly found myself struggling to keep up at the 3 minute mark and continuing to jump rope only slightly increased my ability to jump rope. Past couple weeks, I've introduced weighted calf exercises and I can now jump rope almost the entire 5 minutes. Do NOT discount strength training for anything.
Having competed in both judo and cross country in high school I think they have nothing in common. A 15 rep Zercher Deadift set or a 5 rep max Turkish get up set that takes almost 5 minutes is a lot more similar. Also, people have serious issues understanding the difference between "strength training" and peaking lifts for a specific strength sport.
This is my biggest gripe with people spending their entire strength training routine optimizing neural efficiency and technical proficiency. If you're pulling 500lbs of the floor like it's groceries but you can't move a couch you need to understand you're training for a sport, not for strength. We got people benching 405 that can't push their Honda civic.
So often people don't want to deadlift because their backs hurt. This is the cultural perception of deadlift. But I think it's the exact opposite, we should be deadlifting to prevent and rehab back pain. I had the exact same experience as your athlete, that I had nagging back pain constantly until I started getting stronger in the deadlift. Now it is gone completely. People seem to have this idea that the only way to deadlift is to max out, do a cat back, and snap your spine. But I believe that with attention to technique and load management, it's quite safe, and very beneficial. There's no need to ever go close to failure on deadlift, and so no reason to risk injury.
Well said, same thing goes for squats below parallel and knee pain. Struggled with knee pain/injury for years and was told by several physicians/pt’s to stop squatting. Didn’t get any better until I started incorporating squats 3x a week and now my knees are better than ever.
I mostly agree with you, but I think you should reconsider some details, or at least the way you frame them. First of all, physical activity is generally good for aches and pains, and it's one of the only smart ways to try to tackle chronic back pain. You had nagging back pains, but you started getting into deadlifts anyway. By doing that, over time you demonstrated to your nervous system that the back is fine, and there's no reason to try to protect it by giving pain signals. You did exactly the right thing by exercising your back, but I propose that the mechanism through which it helped was not so much that you got stronger in the deadlift, but that training the deadlifts de-sensitized the back over time. In case I come across as argumentative (it's been known to happen), I'd like to just make it very clear that you've definitely done the right thing for yourself, and there's no doubt in my mind you've intelligently rehabbed your aching back. What I'm saying is I don't think the pain was "caused by weakness", and I don't think it was fixed because you hit some strength threshold where it was no longer "weak". I think it has more to do with de-sensitization and the general healing nature of exercise. If grandma's back hurt, she doesn't need to get her deadlift up to 100 lb, but she would do well to start training the hinge movement in some way that is tolerable to her. Secondly, when you say with attention to technique, what do you mean exactly? If it means being hyperfocused on a flat back, that's not necessary. Load management is the key here to reduce injury risk. You're doing that by training deadlifts sub-maximally (like myself). A byproduct of not going close to failure is having an easy time maintaining a crispy clean form, but that's all it is, a byproduct. On the one hand, you won't hurt yourself if you get some misgrooves here and there and deviate from your form. On the other hand, if you start grinding out RPE 10 sets every single time, your injury risk will skyrocket even if you are that person who manages to keep his backflat even on an all out grinder. But that's probably a more detailed description of what I disagree with than was necessary. I agree with the broad strokes of what you say. Deadlifts and strength training in general are safe and very useful for everyone. You don't need to go close to failure to get good, meaningful work in. (In fact as of late I've come to believe the sub-max training style is probably superior for a good chunk of people, including myself.) And it can absolutely help you rehab pains.
thanks for your thoughtful reply. I do genuinely believe (admittedly without strong evidence) that strength is in itself a part of the dissipation of pain though. I used to randomly pull my back doing day to day activities, and that never happens anymore. I used to wake up and my back had seized up, and that never happens anymore. There probably is an element of desensitization as well, but I strongly believe it's not only that. As to good technique reducing injury, I agree it's a bit complicated, and ultimately tied to load management. You can deadlift with the worst technique imaginable and probably be okay if you're only lifting 45lb. That said, for any reasonable load I do think you're raising your risk considerably by not nailing the form. Not excessively rounding is important (yes, it's not essential to be perfectly flat, but if you're not reasonably flat you're basically just asking for problems), but also pulling the slack out, keeping the bar close to the body, etc.
My back pain returns when I DO NOT deadlift actually. A proper warmup and good technique are enough to prevent injuries for the most part. And if course not pushing the weight too far in the ego lifting territory. In essence if I can't lift the weight with good technique it doesn't count. I don't train to compete, so I'd rather be a bit conservative.
I wrestled in highschool at under 120 weight class. I was quick but didn't really have any power. Later in grade 12 after taking construction and weightlifting I got up to around 160. I was able to compete much easier, during all of this I was also a CB/CDM in soccer. The extra strength made me slightly slower but I was able to muscle people off the ball much easier
I wrestled in HS too. We had a coach that was perhaps fairly good at the technical aspect, but imo, completely failed on the strength and conditioning aspect. I feel like a lot of my losses were because I was physically weaker than my opponent. I remember wanting to learn to use the weight room, but instead we did pushups and bodyweight squats. Being reassured that was enough, and led to believe weights would injure or slow me down.
@@CrimsonStrider yeh our coach was the same way we never hit the weights it was very rare maybe twice a season and if we did more weight exercises the skinnier guys would be more of beasts .
Great video Zack! I recently started training runners and they also initially had reservations about lifting "heavy". They either were afraid of getting hurt or thought that touching a barbell would instantly turn them into a bodybuilder and slow them down.
There have been studies that have shown that getting actually strong (as in the strength of leg extension), not just being fit, has a positive correlation with mortality marker improvements.
I have scoliosis, 28% curve at thoracal part of the spine and 30% at lumbar part. After longer periods of standing or sitting my upper back would hurt like hell, especially going to sleep after party. Doing deadlifts removed alot of my pain, started at medium difficulty for me and went up by 5 kilos each week. Don't be scared of deadlifts guys, if you do them properly your back will thank you.
Zack, we appreciate your balanced perspective. Great vid. BTW, PR'd my deadlift today! 390lb. single @ 164lbs. bodyweight. I'm high as a kite right now. :)
There was a time when I did intense strength and conditioning 4 times a week and trained in martial arts 3 times a week for two hour sessions, while studying the practical phase for a PT certification (being taken through sessions by other students for practice) and while it definitely wasn't the most sustainable lifestyle I made the greatest work capacity gains in my life. I even hit a Deadlift 1rm PR in that time. I was also in my early 20's, in a big calorie surplus, and had gradually built my conditioning up to that point. There's really no set rule when it comes to how hard to train, just physical and mental circumstances to consider first, as well as an acknowledgement of what your priorities are. My dream and plan for next year onwards is to balance hypertrophy, strength, athletics/parkour, and flexibility Training with Martial Arts, and get as smart as possible with the programming for it, so I live for these kinds of discussions.
What are your lifts that you focus on for Martha arts? Also do you specifically train towards one thing or is your training even towards lifting and MMA
For what it's worth, weight comparison between kettlebell and barbell training is apples and oranges. Joe says 70lbs is the heaviest weight he works with, but if you're doing some Mark Wildman style nerd math progressions...that's not light.
Love videos like this. Just starting my strength training back up again after a long period of sedentary lifestyle, and it's motivating me to change up my idea of what I want, and how to go about getting it. Thanks.
Man, I swear, you have a massive blind spot where you're willing to be way too charitable toward anything Joe says. The guy would never take you up on the idea of training heavy compounds twice per week because he thinks they make you slow, and he's completely set in his ways.
Great content. Keep up the good work. It seems to me, context is everything: training goals, age, concurrent sporting activities. Damn, the strength gains from you athletes are impressive, though.
I love u didnt really dig into Joe technique and training in detail. Showing bigger picture and how you should train according to your lifestyle and needs. Awesome vid as always.
Can you do a video on the topic of powerlifting accessories? I saw somewhere that top coaches don't implement them, and focus exclusively on main lifts
Totally agreed. While Joe is in great shape for his age, and obviously has a strong base, the idea that “lifting heavy” isn’t ideal for sports is kind of silly. The “functional exercises” are especially bad for people who don’t have a strength base, as they are inherently much harder to scale up with progress. A young guy would be much better over getting his squat from 150 pounds to 315, vs doing “functional” fitness.
As a risk calculator and workplace safety supervisor for spongebob incorporated, I want to advise Zack to remodel his half-rack in a way that athletes dont have to take, i.e. waddle, 3 steps backwards with the loaded barbell in their hand before they start the lift.
Strength training is whatever you do that increases your load overtime people dismiss kettlebells as not strength training when in reality anything you make progress with could be interpreted as strength. I believe strength has different types.
As someone who's transitioned into kettlebells myself, Joe's lifts are actually quite impressive as they currently stand. Double KB lifts are gonna be about 2/3 of the barbell equivalent, so him saying he's able to squat with two 70's (140 lbs total) for reps roughly equates to about a 210 lb front squat. Frankly, it's a load I'd be challenged by, and I am half his age. Not disagreeing with your ideas btw, just think it's interesting to see what he's already capable of.
figthers train more strength endurance or do just enough for the movement they need to perform to protect the muscle from injuries. im going to the gym in a few mins and doing weights and boxing but i mostly train heavy but some movements i very high volume to prep the muscle enduranc in theose movements. for example i do like 10 reps leg presses, squats or calve raises to keep good ednurance in legs as they are usually the things that get more exhausted in boxing. most people dont realise if you do boxing properly all the powe comes from the leg movemnt and hips so it has very little effect on the arms unless you do fast flurries of punches. when i throw big hooks its all from my feet and how i dip the knee and then goes through the hip and lat lastly. because the chain starts at the feet and ends at the hand these two both get the brunt of the force transfer. basically way to many people train wrong with strength for there specific sport and this is why modern boxers get so gassed out compared to old skool boxers that would do 15 round slug fests.
It pisses me off so bad to be constantly told I need to do these compound lifts. I've tried for years to start light and build into it. It always ends up with pinched disc in the low back. Sometimes it's 20kg sometimes it's 100kg. haha Now I'm not saying everyone should avoid. Just that if you keep getting injured and it affects your life. Then don't do it. I've moved to pistol squats and Single leg RDLs. I'm now about a year without injury for the first time in 20 years. I actually think I could have disc degeneration from all the load carrying in the Army. It's just so frustrating to be constantly be told I'm obviously not doing it right or I need to progress slowly. haha I can't go slower and I can't do anymore research.
Are you sure about your equivalence between jujitsu or wrestling and running? Sure, wrestling requires endurance, but I think endurant strength, dynamic and isometric, would be the qualities a wrestler might seek.
Kinda weird that Joe would say you don't get too sweaty from strength training. It really depends on how you strength train, even as a strongman or powerlifter. Especially lightweight strongmen just train something akin to heavy af crossfit. If you're not breaking a sweat doing that, you're not doing it right. And when I first started using the Westside template as a powerlifter, getting my total time per session down was one of my main points of focus. Following Louie's advice to the letter. If you max out on a lift, do 3-5 sets of a heavy supplemental lift and then maybe 3-5 accessory exercises as a circuit, all within 45 minutes, trust me, you will be dripping sweat. Of course you can do one set per 15 minutes, take an hour each for the 3 lifts you train and then go home but no one said you had to.
The hell is Joe talking about. If you aren't sweating during heavy triples, then you aren't doing heavy triples. I've been doing them on squat, deadlift, clean, snatch, ect as part of my training throughout the 20 years I've been lifting weights without ever getting an injury that took me out of the gym for more than a couple days. I'd wager those heavy lifts have prevented injury. I can say with certainly that they haven't caused any. I like Joe because he's funny, and I'd listen to him if he offered me martial arts advice... but he doesn't have the accolades, knowledge or experience for me to care on his takes when it comes to lifting.
I hurt myself squating after 10 years of lifting. I didn't know I couldn't squat properly because of my hips structure and long femurs being 6ft5. I have herniated disc and bulging lumbar discs and spondylolisthesis on L5S1 changing my life forever after the injury. Pain while sitting, can not walk for 45 min without pain, can not stand for hours, can not run... I will never be the same and I changed my training philosophy. No more heavy training nor will I be able to lift heavy as I used to. It is better to leave 100% effort for life situations and always leave strength in the tank. Finish at 30%
I like that you're thinking Mr Joe doesn't have this honed already lol - he's prob like me and works out for fun and shape and isn't getting paid for it :)
He's also not being completely truthful. In a recent (or semi-recent) podcast he talked about benching 2 plates for 12. 225 is more than 70lbs last time I checked.
I believe Bruce Lee incorporated a fair amount of weight training into his routine. I remember reading somewhere about him doing good mornings for reps with his body weight and higher.
I’ve been lifting for 10 years and so did my dad through out his whole life . He used to always say to me once you get older lessen the intensity in strength training never go for a max attempt. Sit at 60-70% of your one rep max and concentrate on reps m. Don’t strain too much. My dad told me this because we don’t have personal masseuses etc and once you get older past 50 strength training takes a huge toll on your body and joints. I have seen so many people lifting and they tend have join issues shoulder pain hips pain because they strained throughout their whole life. You must take care of yourself.
Causation vs correlation leads to many a terrible conclusion, oftentimes by the person themselves. For instance, Back pain is one of if not the most common reason for doctors visits/complaints of people. Yet we know most people don't and have NEVER trained. Despite this, if you ask someone who use to train the cause of his back, shoulder it whatever pain, he may conclude it was from "training hard". The problem is he HAS NOTHING TO COMPARE TO since he only has one body. It's a fallacy even former Mr Olympia are susceptible to. The problem is the don't know that, UNLESS they had an acute injury the can trace back to. Otherwise they are clueless. There are plenty of immobile people who never trained, trained and trained hard in each category in their 70s today. Blaming training is a guess at best.
This video doesn't really make sense to me Zach. You're kind of just assuming what workouts Joe is/should be doing, when really he's just doing KB swings and row work and archery target practice then going in the sauna.
most of my pains disappeared when i started lifting heavy. like for real, nothing hurts now. i’m about to have a baby in a couple of weeks and still lifting. also.. deadlifts have never hurt me....i can see that be the case only with horrible form and heavy load, but that’s on you not not on deadlifts. people are so scared of it for reasons i don’t understand - there are a lot of myths surrounding weightlifting especially for women, and i wish i had a dollar every time that somebody told me to be careful because i might hurt myself or that they cannot do weight training because their knee/back/something is weak and injured...😳
Deadlift has no risk whatsoever when done correctly. A powerlifter's deadlift has no purpose outside of training or prep for competition. Deadlifting, in general, is purely beneficial
Strength training is also part of health. If you cannot lift heavy something is wrong with your body either metabolically, diseased etc. Healthy people should be able to lift heavy or have the potential to have the ability to do so. Strength training gets a bad rap due to bodybuilders and hypertrophy which is different than strength training.
I love the click of Oberst He, iirc, later said that he only desliked deadlifts and thought they were dangerous because he sucked at them. He then went to learn how to do them (with brian shaw if memory serves me right) and became a changed man and even maybe a semi deadlift connoisseur
What would he gain that he requires? It will put his body under more weight than his current regime. That carries an injury risk. He doesn't compete, so he doesn't need it.
Joe is very influenced by Pavel Tsatsouline (Simple and Sinister) and the basic idea of farmers being strong without needing to lift very heavy but lighter weights in all these special ways
Multiple absolutely idiotic comments. Then he shows his own squat with horrific form. It is one thing for just some dude in the gym to use less than perfect form, it is completely something else for this dude to say a guy got rid of a back INJURY and then show the guy in question AND the trainer himself squat with such form. Doing a combo squat/good morning ex that's painfull to watch. He provides no actual info on this supposed "INJURY" and shows poor form as a solution for an injured back. For a guy that claims to be an expert and a trainer of high level athletes this video is pathetic.
Ive turned to kettlebells a year ago. I loved olympic weightlifting and still pick up a barbell once a month maybe. With kbs i do a kettlebell sport/hardstyle kettlebell workouts and my strength has shot through the roof like never before. I pr’d my power clean after two months of just kbs and not going near a barbell. I was in shock. The “what the hell effect” that Pavel guy talked about is real. People just don’t understand yet the power kbs can unlock. Especially the double half/full snatch. Try doing it with 2 32kg kettlebells and get back to me
General rule of thumb for single hand v barbell is ~70-80% less if you're hyper specific in training and more if your big muscles are really weak. If you can single hand snatch 64 kg (32 kg times 2) 10 times you should probably be able to regular snatch ~90 kg for 10. Which is a lot. But it's not magic. Most weight training stuff is pretty well understood.
I think there's something else going on here, it's adaptation to specific training methods. The reason you gained a lot of strength is by doing something else.
@@Cenot4ph its not really doing something else though is it? Ive used dumbells etc. A lot is hip hinging im not doing any new movements really. Cleaning the bells, swings, squats, goblet squats. Not something for me. Just the implement changed
@@drewe51 well no most trainings stuff is not well understood. In fact we still know relatively little about our bodies and indeed how the muscle works. And what you said there is a bit ridiculous.
@@toomuch9762 sure man, nobody else understands training modalities... 🤦♂️ That's why every time somebody starts doing kettle bells they climb to the top of their sport and destroy world records.
You’re almost there with the way you think. For anyone that is outside of competitive powerlifting or weightlifting the only logical reason to do any of those exercises is for recreation or enjoyment. Athletes and regular people are far better off doing conventional body building exercises with cables, dumbbells, or machines for the purposes of getting stronger for both sports and daily life injury prevention. The only thing that transfers from an athlete doing squats, deadlifts, and cleans is the strength derived from those exercises. And while those exercises can be done relatively safely once a certain level of skill is attained by the athlete/person it is still not the best choice to make. There is a lot of tradition, folklore, and superstition around compound movements and their benefits for health and sports. What is important for athletes and people outside of sports like crossfit, powerlifting, and weightlifting is to get stronger. There are far better and safer exercises to get stronger. Check out Doug Brignole if you want to better evaluate and understand how to select exercises. TLDR, strengthen muscles in the most optimal way and get better at your sport. Learning other skills (squat/clean) that happen to provide resistance are not any better than the low skill alternatives (leg extension, etc.).
I mean not all athletes need powerlifting, though being able to lift 100 pounds on a squat or deadlift is healthy right? Of course every athlete is a case by case
@@tjcogger1974 Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t he take HGH too? I’m in no way trying to suggest that Joe doesn’t train hard but test and HGH will most certainly make you bigger than a natty doing the same training regime.
It all depends on how you want to "sculpt" your body. Getting stronger in certain lifts isn't necessarily positive for the goals set in mind. For example Lu xiaojun once mentioned his bench PR was 90kg, simply because he didn't train it because it could harm his snatches and C&J's. With that in mind there are some lifts that do not offer benefits for your "sculpting" goal. When these lifts are high risk excercises such as the standard Deadlift i'd say they are generally not efficient/ worth the risk/reward. There's very minimal extra reward for the standard Deadlift compared to the trapbar deadlift when you're not focusing on either WL or PL. Last but not least there aren't really any health benefits when it comes to strength training past a certain level. There are no real life situations where it's beneficial to be able to deadlift 200kgs. Even in power and endurance sport it's mostly about the momentum and not necessarily the strength output
Just do your self , any movement is better then non , injuries can be prone and piss you off , don't fuck your self over . Fancy making content for joe ? Like he doesn't know what he is doing ,
Bro. I love your content, but seriously you pay way more attention to other influencers than you really should. Is Joe a strong guy by any chance? Yes. Is he advocating for a hardcore and healthy life style? Yes. Does he challenge and motivate his listeners? Yes. Does he generally do more good than bad with regards to getting people off the couch and starting to work out? Absolutely. So why dwell on him not training heavy and not utilizing barbells? He's certainly not telling people to avoid them... and he surely isn't going to care a lot about these arguments.
Because these videos do great on the YT algorithm and bring more new people to the channel who he can help. He's speaking directly to people who think heavy weights won't help non-strength sports.
I think people forget that Joe is, and has been for the majority of his life, a stand up comic, actor, podcaster, commentator, etc. Being buff/jacked, and doing BJJ, is just a side hobby. Its honestly kind of ridiculous when you consider the # of injuries, surgeries, and the amount he has morphed his body with PED's (HGH use is pretty apparent and he has admitted to it). Is Joe in pretty amazing shape for his age? Yeah, but I genuinely don't think he is some health/fitness icon people should look up as a blueprint for what they should do. I just think he does a lot of goofy shit, and at least in the past, pushed himself too hard. I really don't think a non-professional athlete should need as many stim cell/PRP, whatever experimental shit he does.BJJ is for sure rough on his body, but its not like he was ever a full time competitor. I just think its silly when you put it into perspective.
While i agree most of his career has been on the entertainment side, Joe had solid career in mixed martial arts. He was a US Open Tae Kwan Do Champion at 19. Fighting has been a big part of his life. Hes a weirdo for sure, but he does have insight into a fighters lifestyle.
What are you talking about. You don't need to be a professional to get injuries. I work in a warehouse and fucked my shoulder up doing fuck all. If i could afford stemcells i would be doing it. And if you ever did BJJ you would know there are a lot of dumbfucks and meatheads who can seriously mess you up whether through inexperience or ego.
Growing up strength training was frowned upon. Your back is gonna hurt. Your knee is gonna hurt. Its pointless. The risk to reward ratio is small. I wish I would have made more use of the barbell. Joe Rogan and the onnit folks are so extra. I wouldnt recommend it unless you are bored and want something different to do.
Look, I'll say it now, most Strength and body building guys do some awesome stuff, and have great dedication. That being said, they are not functional when it comes to real world tasks. Having worked in construction for a few years is the big muscle guys, some Being strength guys others being body builders, their gassed after 5 minutes of heavy lifting. Yeah, these guys are great when you need to lift 1 or 2 really heavy things, but after that, they're basically useless, they have no stamina or endurance to keep going.
I think as lifters we forget how incredibly far we are from untrained people. I recently deadlifted 500lbs, i do not consider myself particularly strong. I don't brag about it, theirs nothing to brag about. Sometimes it comes up in conversation and i reluctantly tell people what i lift and they are in absolute shock. The average general population cannot even fathom holding 500lbs in their hands. Joe is stronger and in much better shape than a normal 54 year old. Can he do better? Maybe, yeah. But context is important. This is probably enough to keep him healthy and fit into his old age without taking away from his othet activities
Well said
100%. If im close to his shape at his age, i'll be over the moon with that. Like you say, i dont think people realize just how not normal strong people are. If you can squat 3 plates, you're going to encounter VERY few people on a weekly basis who are stronger than you.
@@JohnSmith-yx8kf agreed. A 3 plate squat is top 1% of 1%. Most people are not even consistantly training. And those who are, are often lifetime novices because they fail to eat and sleep enough. Most 54 year olds would kill to be able to lift a 70lb kettlebell
@@frodothehobo9938 I'm feeling pretty good about my 3 plate squat for a change!
Shut up
I've heard from so many people that their nagging back pain disappeared once they started deadlifting. Most of the time this pain is caused by a weak back and the deadlift is the single best way to increase back strength.
There are many other ways, such as jefferson curls, back extensions and superman holds, but the idea is to train the back so you get stronger enough to have no pain
Training helps back pain for sure, but that doesn't mean the pain is caused by a weak back. There are plenty of very, very strong people who have back pain. If the "weakness causes pain" narrative were true, they should be essentially immune to pain, which they aren't at all.
@Nero explain how my grip and ability to pick shit up from the ground got better when I started taking the deadlift seriously
@Nero lol, I'd hardly say the deadlift is an ego movement. That's reserved more for dudes who leg press instead of squat
@@Garrlick417Slacker lol he deleted his comment
Haven't finished the video yet but thought I'd throw in my personal observation from starting martials arts, specifically Muay Thai. In our Muay Thai gym, we jump rope as a warm up and I constantly found myself struggling to keep up at the 3 minute mark and continuing to jump rope only slightly increased my ability to jump rope. Past couple weeks, I've introduced weighted calf exercises and I can now jump rope almost the entire 5 minutes. Do NOT discount strength training for anything.
I used to run lots and as soon as I stated strength training my I got significantly faster and my ability to keep my speed up on hills got way better.
Having competed in both judo and cross country in high school I think they have nothing in common. A 15 rep Zercher Deadift set or a 5 rep max Turkish get up set that takes almost 5 minutes is a lot more similar.
Also, people have serious issues understanding the difference between "strength training" and peaking lifts for a specific strength sport.
This is my biggest gripe with people spending their entire strength training routine optimizing neural efficiency and technical proficiency. If you're pulling 500lbs of the floor like it's groceries but you can't move a couch you need to understand you're training for a sport, not for strength. We got people benching 405 that can't push their Honda civic.
So often people don't want to deadlift because their backs hurt. This is the cultural perception of deadlift.
But I think it's the exact opposite, we should be deadlifting to prevent and rehab back pain. I had the exact same experience as your athlete, that I had nagging back pain constantly until I started getting stronger in the deadlift. Now it is gone completely.
People seem to have this idea that the only way to deadlift is to max out, do a cat back, and snap your spine. But I believe that with attention to technique and load management, it's quite safe, and very beneficial. There's no need to ever go close to failure on deadlift, and so no reason to risk injury.
Well said, same thing goes for squats below parallel and knee pain. Struggled with knee pain/injury for years and was told by several physicians/pt’s to stop squatting. Didn’t get any better until I started incorporating squats 3x a week and now my knees are better than ever.
I mostly agree with you, but I think you should reconsider some details, or at least the way you frame them.
First of all, physical activity is generally good for aches and pains, and it's one of the only smart ways to try to tackle chronic back pain. You had nagging back pains, but you started getting into deadlifts anyway. By doing that, over time you demonstrated to your nervous system that the back is fine, and there's no reason to try to protect it by giving pain signals. You did exactly the right thing by exercising your back, but I propose that the mechanism through which it helped was not so much that you got stronger in the deadlift, but that training the deadlifts de-sensitized the back over time.
In case I come across as argumentative (it's been known to happen), I'd like to just make it very clear that you've definitely done the right thing for yourself, and there's no doubt in my mind you've intelligently rehabbed your aching back. What I'm saying is I don't think the pain was "caused by weakness", and I don't think it was fixed because you hit some strength threshold where it was no longer "weak". I think it has more to do with de-sensitization and the general healing nature of exercise. If grandma's back hurt, she doesn't need to get her deadlift up to 100 lb, but she would do well to start training the hinge movement in some way that is tolerable to her.
Secondly, when you say with attention to technique, what do you mean exactly? If it means being hyperfocused on a flat back, that's not necessary. Load management is the key here to reduce injury risk. You're doing that by training deadlifts sub-maximally (like myself). A byproduct of not going close to failure is having an easy time maintaining a crispy clean form, but that's all it is, a byproduct. On the one hand, you won't hurt yourself if you get some misgrooves here and there and deviate from your form. On the other hand, if you start grinding out RPE 10 sets every single time, your injury risk will skyrocket even if you are that person who manages to keep his backflat even on an all out grinder.
But that's probably a more detailed description of what I disagree with than was necessary. I agree with the broad strokes of what you say. Deadlifts and strength training in general are safe and very useful for everyone. You don't need to go close to failure to get good, meaningful work in. (In fact as of late I've come to believe the sub-max training style is probably superior for a good chunk of people, including myself.) And it can absolutely help you rehab pains.
thanks for your thoughtful reply.
I do genuinely believe (admittedly without strong evidence) that strength is in itself a part of the dissipation of pain though. I used to randomly pull my back doing day to day activities, and that never happens anymore. I used to wake up and my back had seized up, and that never happens anymore. There probably is an element of desensitization as well, but I strongly believe it's not only that.
As to good technique reducing injury, I agree it's a bit complicated, and ultimately tied to load management. You can deadlift with the worst technique imaginable and probably be okay if you're only lifting 45lb. That said, for any reasonable load I do think you're raising your risk considerably by not nailing the form. Not excessively rounding is important (yes, it's not essential to be perfectly flat, but if you're not reasonably flat you're basically just asking for problems), but also pulling the slack out, keeping the bar close to the body, etc.
Completely agree. The more I hip hinge the better I get at it and the less my back hurts.
In my experience my back hurts when I don't deadlift.
My back pain returns when I DO NOT deadlift actually. A proper warmup and good technique are enough to prevent injuries for the most part. And if course not pushing the weight too far in the ego lifting territory.
In essence if I can't lift the weight with good technique it doesn't count. I don't train to compete, so I'd rather be a bit conservative.
I wrestled in highschool at under 120 weight class. I was quick but didn't really have any power. Later in grade 12 after taking construction and weightlifting I got up to around 160. I was able to compete much easier, during all of this I was also a CB/CDM in soccer. The extra strength made me slightly slower but I was able to muscle people off the ball much easier
I wrestled in HS too. We had a coach that was perhaps fairly good at the technical aspect, but imo, completely failed on the strength and conditioning aspect.
I feel like a lot of my losses were because I was physically weaker than my opponent.
I remember wanting to learn to use the weight room, but instead we did pushups and bodyweight squats. Being reassured that was enough, and led to believe weights would injure or slow me down.
@@CrimsonStrider yeh our coach was the same way we never hit the weights it was very rare maybe twice a season and if we did more weight exercises the skinnier guys would be more of beasts .
Well said here. Let's go algorithm.
Great video Zack! I recently started training runners and they also initially had reservations about lifting "heavy". They either were afraid of getting hurt or thought that touching a barbell would instantly turn them into a bodybuilder and slow them down.
Bro you train Tackett!? What is going on with all these awesome crossovers happening in the TH-cam community.
Mans says you don't bust a sweat from heavy triples ... all I needed to hear 🤣
He's never done heavy triples, heh.
I sweat my ass off doing heavy triples.
he's talking out his ass, doing doubles or singles - sweating like a stuck pig
There have been studies that have shown that getting actually strong (as in the strength of leg extension), not just being fit, has a positive correlation with mortality marker improvements.
I have scoliosis, 28% curve at thoracal part of the spine and 30% at lumbar part. After longer periods of standing or sitting my upper back would hurt like hell, especially going to sleep after party. Doing deadlifts removed alot of my pain, started at medium difficulty for me and went up by 5 kilos each week. Don't be scared of deadlifts guys, if you do them properly your back will thank you.
same! I completely eliminated my scoliosis back pain, and even straightened my curvature some with strength training
Zack, we appreciate your balanced perspective. Great vid.
BTW, PR'd my deadlift today! 390lb. single @ 164lbs. bodyweight. I'm high as a kite right now. :)
Nice bro
There was a time when I did intense strength and conditioning 4 times a week and trained in martial arts 3 times a week for two hour sessions, while studying the practical phase for a PT certification (being taken through sessions by other students for practice) and while it definitely wasn't the most sustainable lifestyle I made the greatest work capacity gains in my life. I even hit a Deadlift 1rm PR in that time. I was also in my early 20's, in a big calorie surplus, and had gradually built my conditioning up to that point. There's really no set rule when it comes to how hard to train, just physical and mental circumstances to consider first, as well as an acknowledgement of what your priorities are. My dream and plan for next year onwards is to balance hypertrophy, strength, athletics/parkour, and flexibility Training with Martial Arts, and get as smart as possible with the programming for it, so I live for these kinds of discussions.
What are your lifts that you focus on for Martha arts? Also do you specifically train towards one thing or is your training even towards lifting and MMA
Got enough on your plate? 😆😉
For what it's worth, weight comparison between kettlebell and barbell training is apples and oranges. Joe says 70lbs is the heaviest weight he works with, but if you're doing some Mark Wildman style nerd math progressions...that's not light.
Love videos like this.
Just starting my strength training back up again after a long period of sedentary lifestyle, and it's motivating me to change up my idea of what I want, and how to go about getting it.
Thanks.
Zach: “I’m only using Joe Rogan as an example because… I WANT TO GET ON HIS PODCAST!” 😄
Man, I swear, you have a massive blind spot where you're willing to be way too charitable toward anything Joe says. The guy would never take you up on the idea of training heavy compounds twice per week because he thinks they make you slow, and he's completely set in his ways.
Rogan has talked about trapbar deadlifting over 405 and benching 2 plates for 12, all recently. What are you talking about?
I think you're the one with the blind spot...
if he was explained it hed understand
Great content. Keep up the good work. It seems to me, context is everything: training goals, age, concurrent sporting activities. Damn, the strength gains from you athletes are impressive, though.
I love u didnt really dig into Joe technique and training in detail. Showing bigger picture and how you should train according to your lifestyle and needs. Awesome vid as always.
If Joe Rogan was a fitness personality, his content would be a mixture of Liver King, Joel Seedman, and Squat University (all the cringe parts).
Lmao
His association with Onnit. Doesn't help. Not that they are bad for the most part, but they get a little dogmatic about the novelty exercises.
🤣Thought i was the only one who gets cringed out by squat university. People usually just take their philosophies as law.
@@DespicableBunny whats the cringe part? describe? is it the way he talks?
@@EviIM0nk3y for me it's how he seems totally clueless on proper ways to execute active static stretches for back and hamstrings and calves...
Can you do a video on the topic of powerlifting accessories? I saw somewhere that top coaches don't implement them, and focus exclusively on main lifts
Totally agreed. While Joe is in great shape for his age, and obviously has a strong base, the idea that “lifting heavy” isn’t ideal for sports is kind of silly.
The “functional exercises” are especially bad for people who don’t have a strength base, as they are inherently much harder to scale up with progress. A young guy would be much better over getting his squat from 150 pounds to 315, vs doing “functional” fitness.
Deadlift is probably one of the safest barbell movements imo
Absolutely not.
As a risk calculator and workplace safety supervisor for spongebob incorporated, I want to advise Zack to remodel his half-rack in a way that athletes dont have to take, i.e. waddle, 3 steps backwards with the loaded barbell in their hand before they start the lift.
When it gets super heavy. Also people hyperextend their spine when they get ot up.
Strength training is whatever you do that increases your load overtime people dismiss kettlebells as not strength training when in reality anything you make progress with could be interpreted as strength. I believe strength has different types.
As someone who's transitioned into kettlebells myself, Joe's lifts are actually quite impressive as they currently stand. Double KB lifts are gonna be about 2/3 of the barbell equivalent, so him saying he's able to squat with two 70's (140 lbs total) for reps roughly equates to about a 210 lb front squat. Frankly, it's a load I'd be challenged by, and I am half his age. Not disagreeing with your ideas btw, just think it's interesting to see what he's already capable of.
figthers train more strength endurance or do just enough for the movement they need to perform to protect the muscle from injuries. im going to the gym in a few mins and doing weights and boxing but i mostly train heavy but some movements i very high volume to prep the muscle enduranc in theose movements. for example i do like 10 reps leg presses, squats or calve raises to keep good ednurance in legs as they are usually the things that get more exhausted in boxing. most people dont realise if you do boxing properly all the powe comes from the leg movemnt and hips so it has very little effect on the arms unless you do fast flurries of punches. when i throw big hooks its all from my feet and how i dip the knee and then goes through the hip and lat lastly. because the chain starts at the feet and ends at the hand these two both get the brunt of the force transfer. basically way to many people train wrong with strength for there specific sport and this is why modern boxers get so gassed out compared to old skool boxers that would do 15 round slug fests.
It pisses me off so bad to be constantly told I need to do these compound lifts. I've tried for years to start light and build into it. It always ends up with pinched disc in the low back. Sometimes it's 20kg sometimes it's 100kg. haha Now I'm not saying everyone should avoid. Just that if you keep getting injured and it affects your life. Then don't do it. I've moved to pistol squats and Single leg RDLs. I'm now about a year without injury for the first time in 20 years. I actually think I could have disc degeneration from all the load carrying in the Army. It's just so frustrating to be constantly be told I'm obviously not doing it right or I need to progress slowly. haha I can't go slower and I can't do anymore research.
Let's also not forget that Joe Rogan's takes changes like the wind.
Are you sure about your equivalence between jujitsu or wrestling and running? Sure, wrestling requires endurance, but I think endurant strength, dynamic and isometric, would be the qualities a wrestler might seek.
Kinda weird that Joe would say you don't get too sweaty from strength training. It really depends on how you strength train, even as a strongman or powerlifter.
Especially lightweight strongmen just train something akin to heavy af crossfit. If you're not breaking a sweat doing that, you're not doing it right.
And when I first started using the Westside template as a powerlifter, getting my total time per session down was one of my main points of focus. Following Louie's advice to the letter. If you max out on a lift, do 3-5 sets of a heavy supplemental lift and then maybe 3-5 accessory exercises as a circuit, all within 45 minutes, trust me, you will be dripping sweat.
Of course you can do one set per 15 minutes, take an hour each for the 3 lifts you train and then go home but no one said you had to.
On the next JRE Podcast: “Jamie, pull up Zack’s recommended workout plan for me”
The hell is Joe talking about. If you aren't sweating during heavy triples, then you aren't doing heavy triples. I've been doing them on squat, deadlift, clean, snatch, ect as part of my training throughout the 20 years I've been lifting weights without ever getting an injury that took me out of the gym for more than a couple days. I'd wager those heavy lifts have prevented injury. I can say with certainly that they haven't caused any.
I like Joe because he's funny, and I'd listen to him if he offered me martial arts advice... but he doesn't have the accolades, knowledge or experience for me to care on his takes when it comes to lifting.
did u actually play persona 3 that would be so fire
Fun video idea
Not sure you can attribute his strength gain to his wins in jiu jitsu seems like quite a stretch... Seems more like correlation instead of causation.
I hurt myself squating after 10 years of lifting. I didn't know I couldn't squat properly because of my hips structure and long femurs being 6ft5. I have herniated disc and bulging lumbar discs and spondylolisthesis on L5S1 changing my life forever after the injury. Pain while sitting, can not walk for 45 min without pain, can not stand for hours, can not run... I will never be the same and I changed my training philosophy. No more heavy training nor will I be able to lift heavy as I used to.
It is better to leave 100% effort for life situations and always leave strength in the tank. Finish at 30%
bro you train Andrew Tackett? Thats fucking dope!!
Bruh that Mass Destruction sample scared the shid out of me.
I actually just saw this, I was hoping someone would address it but I thought it would fly under he radar.
yooo, that persona 3 outro lol
I love Joe, but the idea you don't sweat going heavy is kinda...bonkers? I sweat a ton going heavy.
So in a nutshell... Starting Strength 3rd Ed or The Barbell Prescription.
I like that you're thinking Mr Joe doesn't have this honed already lol - he's prob like me and works out for fun and shape and isn't getting paid for it :)
Pro tip: stop listening to anything Joe Rogan says
He's also not being completely truthful. In a recent (or semi-recent) podcast he talked about benching 2 plates for 12. 225 is more than 70lbs last time I checked.
I believe Bruce Lee incorporated a fair amount of weight training into his routine. I remember reading somewhere about him doing good mornings for reps with his body weight and higher.
The good morning with that weight is prolly what broke his back .
That background is from Sekiro?
sekiro background nice
When is the ZT No Excuses Just Improve shirt from BBL Apparel get released?
I’ve been lifting for 10 years and so did my dad through out his whole life . He used to always say to me once you get older lessen the intensity in strength training never go for a max attempt. Sit at 60-70% of your one rep max and concentrate on reps m. Don’t strain too much. My dad told me this because we don’t have personal masseuses etc and once you get older past 50 strength training takes a huge toll on your body and joints. I have seen so many people lifting and they tend have join issues shoulder pain hips pain because they strained throughout their whole life. You must take care of yourself.
Causation vs correlation leads to many a terrible conclusion, oftentimes by the person themselves.
For instance, Back pain is one of if not the most common reason for doctors visits/complaints of people. Yet we know most people don't and have NEVER trained.
Despite this, if you ask someone who use to train the cause of his back, shoulder it whatever pain, he may conclude it was from "training hard". The problem is he HAS NOTHING TO COMPARE TO since he only has one body.
It's a fallacy even former Mr Olympia are susceptible to.
The problem is the don't know that, UNLESS they had an acute injury the can trace back to. Otherwise they are clueless.
There are plenty of immobile people who never trained, trained and trained hard in each category in their 70s today. Blaming training is a guess at best.
This video doesn't really make sense to me Zach. You're kind of just assuming what workouts Joe is/should be doing, when really he's just doing KB swings and row work and archery target practice then going in the sauna.
I agree. As much as I like barbell training it’s neither the only way to train nor mandatory if you just want to get stronger and live a healthy life.
Never been appealed to fighting or martial arts. I’m not wired that way I’d rather do high rep biceps curls so I can build muscle
most of my pains disappeared when i started lifting heavy. like for real, nothing hurts now. i’m about to have a baby in a couple of weeks and still lifting. also.. deadlifts have never hurt me....i can see that be the case only with horrible form and heavy load, but that’s on you not not on deadlifts. people are so scared of it for reasons i don’t understand - there are a lot of myths surrounding weightlifting especially for women, and i wish i had a dollar every time that somebody told me to be careful because i might hurt myself or that they cannot do weight training because their knee/back/something is weak and injured...😳
The Haikyuu OST is on point here
Surprising to hear that deadlifts are more "risky" than, say, cleans. Maybe they are doing them wrong.
Deadlift has no risk whatsoever when done correctly. A powerlifter's deadlift has no purpose outside of training or prep for competition. Deadlifting, in general, is purely beneficial
Would love to hear you pitch him a program on his podcast
Joe Rogan is a tiny person tho, what's light to us is probably 2x his bodyweight
He’s on steroids and is happy with his current physique. It doesn’t matter what his training is like as long as he does something
tacket is a beast
Strength training is also part of health. If you cannot lift heavy something is wrong with your body either metabolically, diseased etc. Healthy people should be able to lift heavy or have the potential to have the ability to do so. Strength training gets a bad rap due to bodybuilders and hypertrophy which is different than strength training.
OMG. Are you Zack Rippetoe? Your principles sound a lot like Rip. Why not podcast interview Dr. Sullivan from Greysteel, a senior cit Rip derivative.
I love the click of Oberst
He, iirc, later said that he only desliked deadlifts and thought they were dangerous because he sucked at them. He then went to learn how to do them (with brian shaw if memory serves me right) and became a changed man and even maybe a semi deadlift connoisseur
Sounds like starting strength
I like your market penetration strategy.
What does Tom Segura actually Know about workingout
Do sets of 5 with 185lb thrusters. Then tell me how much your sweating Joe.
What would he gain that he requires? It will put his body under more weight than his current regime. That carries an injury risk. He doesn't compete, so he doesn't need it.
Joe is very influenced by Pavel Tsatsouline (Simple and Sinister) and the basic idea of farmers being strong without needing to lift very heavy but lighter weights in all these special ways
Multiple absolutely idiotic comments. Then he shows his own squat with horrific form. It is one thing for just some dude in the gym to use less than perfect form, it is completely something else for this dude to say a guy got rid of a back INJURY and then show the guy in question AND the trainer himself squat with such form. Doing a combo squat/good morning ex that's painfull to watch. He provides no actual info on this supposed "INJURY" and shows poor form as a solution for an injured back. For a guy that claims to be an expert and a trainer of high level athletes this video is pathetic.
Yes he exacerise he take care of him self bit be realistic here TRT helps a lot .Joe!
Agree
However You never talked to joe or asked about his goals...
Ive turned to kettlebells a year ago. I loved olympic weightlifting and still pick up a barbell once a month maybe. With kbs i do a kettlebell sport/hardstyle kettlebell workouts and my strength has shot through the roof like never before. I pr’d my power clean after two months of just kbs and not going near a barbell. I was in shock. The “what the hell effect” that Pavel guy talked about is real. People just don’t understand yet the power kbs can unlock. Especially the double half/full snatch. Try doing it with 2 32kg kettlebells and get back to me
General rule of thumb for single hand v barbell is ~70-80% less if you're hyper specific in training and more if your big muscles are really weak.
If you can single hand snatch 64 kg (32 kg times 2) 10 times you should probably be able to regular snatch ~90 kg for 10. Which is a lot. But it's not magic. Most weight training stuff is pretty well understood.
I think there's something else going on here, it's adaptation to specific training methods. The reason you gained a lot of strength is by doing something else.
@@Cenot4ph its not really doing something else though is it? Ive used dumbells etc. A lot is hip hinging im not doing any new movements really. Cleaning the bells, swings, squats, goblet squats. Not something for me. Just the implement changed
@@drewe51 well no most trainings stuff is not well understood. In fact we still know relatively little about our bodies and indeed how the muscle works. And what you said there is a bit ridiculous.
@@toomuch9762 sure man, nobody else understands training modalities... 🤦♂️ That's why every time somebody starts doing kettle bells they climb to the top of their sport and destroy world records.
But Rogan is on the juice... I'd like to see what the naty old folk can achieve with proper training
LMAO oh Joe.
if you can't get sweaty doing 2 rep sets then you're not going heavy enough
A stronger athlete is not necessarily a better athlete. Look up Dr.Yessis if you have not yet.
Joe Rogan is Gwyneth Paltrow for men
No idea what that reference means
Bad joke. Doesn't make sense. He's Joprah Winfrey
@@hannibalwantsahuggrande3433 because it sucks
That might be the worst comparison I've ever heard
He's discount brainchild of Liver King and Joel Seedman.
Robert said that because he sucks at deadlifting, in comparison to other guys at the world's strongest man contest.
Zack you made a reasonable video out of nothing. Joe Rogan? Does anyone who actually does strength training listen to him?
You’re almost there with the way you think.
For anyone that is outside of competitive powerlifting or weightlifting the only logical reason to do any of those exercises is for recreation or enjoyment.
Athletes and regular people are far better off doing conventional body building exercises with cables, dumbbells, or machines for the purposes of getting stronger for both sports and daily life injury prevention.
The only thing that transfers from an athlete doing squats, deadlifts, and cleans is the strength derived from those exercises. And while those exercises can be done relatively safely once a certain level of skill is attained by the athlete/person it is still not the best choice to make.
There is a lot of tradition, folklore, and superstition around compound movements and their benefits for health and sports. What is important for athletes and people outside of sports like crossfit, powerlifting, and weightlifting is to get stronger. There are far better and safer exercises to get stronger. Check out Doug Brignole if you want to better evaluate and understand how to select exercises.
TLDR, strengthen muscles in the most optimal way and get better at your sport. Learning other skills (squat/clean) that happen to provide resistance are not any better than the low skill alternatives (leg extension, etc.).
I mean not all athletes need powerlifting, though being able to lift 100 pounds on a squat or deadlift is healthy right? Of course every athlete is a case by case
He made it seem like he squat with 70 lbs. 70 lbs each hand is p heavy
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How is old though
If he's that jacked from 70 pound kettelbells, imagine how jacked he'd get from a standard PPL Powerbuilding routine.
Testosterone is effective as hell
To be fair he’s been working out for like 30 years
@@abbott5580 30 years of jiujitsu, kickboxing, and kettlebells. I'm pretty sure he's never prioritized strength training or bodybuilding.
@@tjcogger1974 Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t he take HGH too? I’m in no way trying to suggest that Joe doesn’t train hard but test and HGH will most certainly make you bigger than a natty doing the same training regime.
@@tjcogger1974 He's on way more than just "TRT"
It all depends on how you want to "sculpt" your body. Getting stronger in certain lifts isn't necessarily positive for the goals set in mind. For example Lu xiaojun once mentioned his bench PR was 90kg, simply because he didn't train it because it could harm his snatches and C&J's.
With that in mind there are some lifts that do not offer benefits for your "sculpting" goal. When these lifts are high risk excercises such as the standard Deadlift i'd say they are generally not efficient/ worth the risk/reward.
There's very minimal extra reward for the standard Deadlift compared to the trapbar deadlift when you're not focusing on either WL or PL.
Last but not least there aren't really any health benefits when it comes to strength training past a certain level. There are no real life situations where it's beneficial to be able to deadlift 200kgs. Even in power and endurance sport it's mostly about the momentum and not necessarily the strength output
Just do your self , any movement is better then non , injuries can be prone and piss you off , don't fuck your self over . Fancy making content for joe ? Like he doesn't know what he is doing ,
Bro. I love your content, but seriously you pay way more attention to other influencers than you really should.
Is Joe a strong guy by any chance? Yes. Is he advocating for a hardcore and healthy life style? Yes. Does he challenge and motivate his listeners? Yes. Does he generally do more good than bad with regards to getting people off the couch and starting to work out? Absolutely.
So why dwell on him not training heavy and not utilizing barbells? He's certainly not telling people to avoid them... and he surely isn't going to care a lot about these arguments.
Because these videos do great on the YT algorithm and bring more new people to the channel who he can help.
He's speaking directly to people who think heavy weights won't help non-strength sports.
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Rogan us old and doesn't care about heavy stuff anymore
I think people forget that Joe is, and has been for the majority of his life, a stand up comic, actor, podcaster, commentator, etc.
Being buff/jacked, and doing BJJ, is just a side hobby. Its honestly kind of ridiculous when you consider the # of injuries, surgeries, and the amount he has morphed his body with PED's (HGH use is pretty apparent and he has admitted to it).
Is Joe in pretty amazing shape for his age? Yeah, but I genuinely don't think he is some health/fitness icon people should look up as a blueprint for what they should do. I just think he does a lot of goofy shit, and at least in the past, pushed himself too hard. I really don't think a non-professional athlete should need as many stim cell/PRP, whatever experimental shit he does.BJJ is for sure rough on his body, but its not like he was ever a full time competitor. I just think its silly when you put it into perspective.
While i agree most of his career has been on the entertainment side, Joe had solid career in mixed martial arts. He was a US Open Tae Kwan Do Champion at 19. Fighting has been a big part of his life. Hes a weirdo for sure, but he does have insight into a fighters lifestyle.
What are you talking about. You don't need to be a professional to get injuries. I work in a warehouse and fucked my shoulder up doing fuck all. If i could afford stemcells i would be doing it. And if you ever did BJJ you would know there are a lot of dumbfucks and meatheads who can seriously mess you up whether through inexperience or ego.
Joe Jew training Hard
Growing up strength training was frowned upon. Your back is gonna hurt. Your knee is gonna hurt. Its pointless. The risk to reward ratio is small. I wish I would have made more use of the barbell. Joe Rogan and the onnit folks are so extra. I wouldnt recommend it unless you are bored and want something different to do.
joe rogan doesnt know shit about lifting
"barbell deadlift" you mean hand deadlift? LOL
Look, I'll say it now, most Strength and body building guys do some awesome stuff, and have great dedication. That being said, they are not functional when it comes to real world tasks. Having worked in construction for a few years is the big muscle guys, some Being strength guys others being body builders, their gassed after 5 minutes of heavy lifting. Yeah, these guys are great when you need to lift 1 or 2 really heavy things, but after that, they're basically useless, they have no stamina or endurance to keep going.