Great video! Fyi, ghouls are created by radiation (maybe, the lore on them is all over the place), while super mutants are created by exposure to the FEV.
What's worse is he isn't even the only companion immune to radiation. Charon the ghoul is not only immune, but he pathologically will listen to any order you give as long as you have his contract, and even he refuses to go in there.
@@tyrone687 Not only would he not know, he would not care if he did. The contact is like a golem control rod for him. Actually play the game and then tell me Charon is a cowardly or self-interested character lol
@@attercops I think he does know since he also refuse to go into Vault 87 under the guise of such duties being outside his contract. If he was really as death happy as you say he is he just would've went in there too. Also they're studying ghoulification in Underworld so there's a very plausible source for him to know such information. I think he's just a slave with slightly more favorable conditions then most slaves .
@@tyrone687 You can bring him into 87. Dozens of people have lost him in there, I don't know what you're talking about. You can look up video of him being in there. Charon will do anything you say in the game with extremely limited exceptions, with the only big one being the end game.
They really did miss a chance for the best ending where a super mutant and a human joined forces to save the slushie machine, like the wholesome feeling there was with Marcus and the Paladin in the founding of Broken Hills back in original Interplay Fallout 2. It is actually baffling that nobody at the table of 500 writers added this to the gruel and made it taste nice.
If i remember right, there's a dlc that lets you tell faukes to go turn it on without the stupid bs of "its your destiny" so dumb i could of left you to rot in that vault so stfu about my destiny. I love fallout 3 also having played it recently so im not blinded by nostalgia I would give nowadays a 8/10
Bethesda writing can be sorta like Min-Max. Some stories are great and are linked in a genius way but some just flop like the original Fallout 3 ending.
Oh wow, if I'd played this that would have spoiled the entire thing, like when the voice actor for genedal Oliver (or whatever the characters name was).misreads the Legion helmet Plumes and Plums at the ending of Vegas. SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE CORRECTED HIM INTENSE SECOND HAND FEELING OF FFFFFFFFFFFFFUCKING Immersion Breaking AWKWARDNESS
I went back after playing New Vegas to 100% fallout 3 (personal goal at the time) and when explored the various options of endings, I found that being smart about trying to solve the problem causes the game to essentially call you a coward for not wanting to commit suicide. Odd message honestly. Also, if the other guy can just shoot himself full of a super radaway and survive, where's that option, or when your character makes the "ultimate" sacrifice, why did nt the story pull a clever one and make tour character end up living and turning into a ghoul from the massive radiation dosage? That would have been an ending worth dying for.
It's bad writing. Writing can be critiqued on objective guidelines. Just because you like something or don't care if it's flawed, that doesn't mean flaws aren't present
And I feel it is plot hole that went against his basic character arc and if you don’t want to give me that then it’s bad writing that throws away basic survival logic, the actual themes of story and player choice for try to create a ending the writer wants to tell so it’s bad storytelling and bad rpg writing
@@DocMarsTalesToAmaze Well to be fair writing is subjective but furthermore it's established in the game that Fawkes is a Zen Buddhist, and a large part of Zen Buddhism is accepting fate, not interfering with Destiney and neutrality/letting go. I think he is embracing his nature as a Zen Buddhist and encouraging the player character to do the same - it's also possible he considers interfering with your destiny to be bad karma and it's pretty clearly established that the player character is thematically supposed to be a forsaken savior like Jesus Christ, hence the biblical references. As for me personally, even if I don't like it you have to admit it is very efficient writing. Using few words to establish a scenario that must be dealt with in an alternative method. In my opinion it would be bad writing if the game never even let you attempt to send him in although generally speaking I think Fallout 3 works better if you think of it as an old-school adventure game instead of an RPG
He calls the player his friend, and then refuses to save him from certain death when it would not even inconvenience him to save the player. Is that good writing to you? Would you let a friend of yours die horribly for absolutely no reason?
@ I agree. That's why I said I liked it. And I do think it is better than four my rankings are 1. New Vegas 2.3 3.4 4.76 Those are my general rankings of the action RPG stuff.
Great video! Fyi, ghouls are created by radiation (maybe, the lore on them is all over the place), while super mutants are created by exposure to the FEV.
Thanks, and you’re 100% right I was wrong. I got the mixed up with ghouls
What's worse is he isn't even the only companion immune to radiation. Charon the ghoul is not only immune, but he pathologically will listen to any order you give as long as you have his contract, and even he refuses to go in there.
You know what endings good. when they have to give up all logic. to make it make sense
Radiation exposure intensifies ghoulification. By going in he'd, while having a larger chance of surviving is still very, very much at risk.
@@tyrone687 Not only would he not know, he would not care if he did. The contact is like a golem control rod for him.
Actually play the game and then tell me Charon is a cowardly or self-interested character lol
@@attercops I think he does know since he also refuse to go into Vault 87 under the guise of such duties being outside his contract. If he was really as death happy as you say he is he just would've went in there too. Also they're studying ghoulification in Underworld so there's a very plausible source for him to know such information. I think he's just a slave with slightly more favorable conditions then most slaves .
@@tyrone687 You can bring him into 87. Dozens of people have lost him in there, I don't know what you're talking about. You can look up video of him being in there.
Charon will do anything you say in the game with extremely limited exceptions, with the only big one being the end game.
You say this on Reddit and you’ll be crucified
Oh no, usually they have a razor sharp eye for quality
They really did miss a chance for the best ending where a super mutant and a human joined forces to save the slushie machine, like the wholesome feeling there was with Marcus and the Paladin in the founding of Broken Hills back in original Interplay Fallout 2. It is actually baffling that nobody at the table of 500 writers added this to the gruel and made it taste nice.
If i remember right, there's a dlc that lets you tell faukes to go turn it on without the stupid bs of "its your destiny" so dumb i could of left you to rot in that vault so stfu about my destiny. I love fallout 3 also having played it recently so im not blinded by nostalgia I would give nowadays a 8/10
Fallout 3 suffers alot from things seeming cool on paper but not making much sense when given actual thought
Yeah but “why write a really good story when the player is just gonna take it and make paper airplanes out of it?” /s
Bethesda writing can be sorta like Min-Max. Some stories are great and are linked in a genius way but some just flop like the original Fallout 3 ending.
1:33 ayo dont mischaracterize my dawg like that, he says he identifies as a meta human, show some respect 🙄
Bookmarking this video for after I play Fallout 3
I thank you and my advice is get broken hearts it fixed it somewhat
😭bro same
Young man how old are you?
@ old enough to have played New Vegas, but too old to care about 76
Oh wow, if I'd played this that would have spoiled the entire thing, like when the voice actor for genedal Oliver (or whatever the characters name was).misreads the Legion helmet Plumes and Plums at the ending of Vegas. SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE CORRECTED HIM
INTENSE SECOND HAND FEELING OF
FFFFFFFFFFFFFUCKING
Immersion Breaking
AWKWARDNESS
*Genital Oliver
I went back after playing New Vegas to 100% fallout 3 (personal goal at the time) and when explored the various options of endings, I found that being smart about trying to solve the problem causes the game to essentially call you a coward for not wanting to commit suicide. Odd message honestly. Also, if the other guy can just shoot himself full of a super radaway and survive, where's that option, or when your character makes the "ultimate" sacrifice, why did nt the story pull a clever one and make tour character end up living and turning into a ghoul from the massive radiation dosage? That would have been an ending worth dying for.
Two things:
Quality is subjective
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It's not a plothole, the character literally tells you their reasoning.
It's bad writing. Writing can be critiqued on objective guidelines. Just because you like something or don't care if it's flawed, that doesn't mean flaws aren't present
I never said quality wasn’t subjective why would I say that this an opinion piece were I explain my subjective opinion
And I feel it is plot hole that went against his basic character arc and if you don’t want to give me that then it’s bad writing that throws away basic survival logic, the actual themes of story and player choice for try to create a ending the writer wants to tell so it’s bad storytelling and bad rpg writing
@@DocMarsTalesToAmaze Ok fair enough
@@DocMarsTalesToAmaze Well to be fair writing is subjective but furthermore it's established in the game that Fawkes is a Zen Buddhist, and a large part of Zen Buddhism is accepting fate, not interfering with Destiney and neutrality/letting go. I think he is embracing his nature as a Zen Buddhist and encouraging the player character to do the same - it's also possible he considers interfering with your destiny to be bad karma and it's pretty clearly established that the player character is thematically supposed to be a forsaken savior like Jesus Christ, hence the biblical references.
As for me personally, even if I don't like it you have to admit it is very efficient writing. Using few words to establish a scenario that must be dealt with in an alternative method. In my opinion it would be bad writing if the game never even let you attempt to send him in although generally speaking I think Fallout 3 works better if you think of it as an old-school adventure game instead of an RPG
Greased up dude doesn’t realize the point was made by the character Fawkes, it’s YOUR destiny that he chooses not to play into. WOW an NPC said no?
Dude not everyone is into self sacrifice lmao
If he didn't want to play into your destiny he wouldn't be a follower. Helping you is by its nature either playing into or against your destiny
He calls the player his friend, and then refuses to save him from certain death when it would not even inconvenience him to save the player. Is that good writing to you? Would you let a friend of yours die horribly for absolutely no reason?
Sure…ok
Na I liked it
Ok
@@DocMarsTalesToAmazefallout 3 has a lot of problems but it’s still better than 4.
@ I agree. That's why I said I liked it. And I do think it is better than four my rankings are
1. New Vegas
2.3
3.4
4.76
Those are my general rankings of the action RPG stuff.
@@DocMarsTalesToAmaze fallout two is when the series peaked in terms of role playing .