We fit a tractor magneto to each cylinder in a Lada
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In this episode - a bit of post-apocalypse event engineering.
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I can't believe they got this to work! That is some serious post apocalypse engineering.
They are preparing for when the west cuts off their access to ignitoin coils... lol
@@mattt198654321 yeah....you said it
@@mattt198654321 Its nothing to be cut off of. Those times when these magnetos were used (they were actually primary used for little 2tact starting motors, that started bigger tractor diesels, so they tend to not last long, as theyre designed for short operatio time), people were also still able to rewind or wind from scratch their ignition coils. Diatributors, caps and rotors, and ignition contacts made bigger problems. But the bigges problem were batteries actually. In soviet union there was a huge problem of shortage of batteries. And their quality was also very low.
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I was thinking the same thing! This really is some cool madmax stuff
you should build a hand crank flywheel, once youve spun it up, you engage a clutch to start the motor
kinda like old german tanks
That's the kind of starting mechanism they have for the last working tiger tank at the bovington tank museum right? (Forgive me if I've misspelled the museum name, I've never been) I remember seeing a video on some of the tanks there and their maintainance
@@SoggyCoffeeAddict yes all the panzer ignite with this method
It's called an "inertia starter". Lots of old aircraft engines used them too
Correct me if im wrong, but didnt the model Ts use that?
@@dylanshepherd6232 No, the hand crank on the model Ts turned the engine's crankshaft directly. You have to be careful of kick-back on those because it could break fingers, your wrist, or possibly your arm.
“We don’t really have any other options”
Spoken like a true mechanic, just make it happen
Two magnetos would probably work using the 1:1 drive ratio. Epic post-apocalyptic setup! Would love to see something like this in movies/video games
Man, if everyone had ingenuity, passion and irony like these guys at Garage 54, the world would be a better and peaceful place indeed.
That's pretty cool, although there are special magnetos for 4-cylinder engines, that would be much simpler to use. These single contact magnetos are likely from old stationary or marine engines, and are quite hard to find in working condition, the 4 contact ones are more common from what i've found. I'm always on the look for functioning single contact magnetos since i'm working on a lot of old stationary engines from the early 1900s.
"When you forcefully Kickstart that bitch"
Only way to get her to do the dishes!
"When you forcefully kickstart that b*tch" 5:11 LMAO!
Another classic Garage 54 video. Next while on the topic of magnetos, maybe fit a 1-cylinder motorcycle engine (or similar) to the Lada. Or better yet 1 motorcycle engine per wheel. Also saw a video a while back of someone putting an outboard boat engine into a car - that would be interesting to see your take on as well. Keep up the good work - love watching what you guys come up with.
I think a 1 cyl motorcycle engine just strapped right to a Lada gearbox (perhaps with the motorcycle transmission intact for extra gear reduction) would be a fun video... heck if that works, maybe just keep going smaller and smaller until they can't get it to move anymore XD
@v2nce That isn't that crazy, a Mercruiser V8 is just a standard automotive V8 with some slight modifications (special cooling accessories and sometimes water-cooled exhaust manifolds)
@v2nce Technically the Mercruiser is an inboard/outboard (not a full inboard, but not a full outboard either). That sounds like an interesting video nonetheless
I say: these guys never cease to amaze me with these experiments. And the viewers that suggest these experiments are great too. But it's even better to see the G54 way of making these ideas work. And thanks for BMI for translating these videos!
This video reminded me how much I miss the good ol’ carbureted car engines. Very simple basic engines that are very easy to diagnose and repair. Maintenance is easy to , no computers and 100 different sensors that are needed to run the vehicle, and yes the will run (and possibly clutch start) without a battery.
Flywheel & fan combination on small engine mowers are my only exposure to magnetos.
I always marveled at how simple & serviceable it was as a method of providing spark.
Maybe the chip shortage will prompt auto manufacturers to rethink their current assumptions.
Great episode garage54. 107%
Bigger bottom sprocket and you will only need 1 magneto. It will also start more easily. Nice work.
Won't you be igniting the fuel/air mix after every stroke? The engine is a 4 cylinder engine.
It wouldn't work. It would ignite at the beginning of every stroke. 2 TDC and 2 BDC. Meaning, it would ignite the mixture at BDC of the compression stroke (which is after the intake stroke) and not work. That's the reason why manufacturers used 2 coils for a wasted spark system in 4 cylinder engines. If they could save time and money by not adding another coil, they would have. But they could just run 2. Since they're already wasting a spark.
@@Oink_Blaster Im not sure this shitty soviet magneto would power 2 spark plugs at once.
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You are right. Only chance is to run it thru distributor.
Vlad is Da Vinci of the neighborhood :D
I get a nostalgic rush watching these videos for weekends in the pole barn shop.
Since fuel prices are going up, why don't you try making the most fuel efficient Lada by modifying the engine and other stuff
Viewers have been suggesting we make a Lada more efficient. So here we have an engine pulled from a T75...
I think gas is still cheap in Russia, Biden is to blame for our expensive gas.
Vlad and Garage 54 are in Rusia ,gas is cheap (and they dont have ''teslas'' Lada's done the job.
@@irgant
great !! thats are less then $ 3 us.dolars for galon !!
Nice video, love the whole magneto thing. Also the hesitation and loss of power at 4000 revs is most likely due to the lack of an advance on the ignition timing. Higher revs require a more advanced spark. Keeping the spark timed the same across the board will limit you to a certain RPM range. Anyway awesome video.
Don’t really need 4000 rpm really not if it’s geared worth a shit. I rarely exceed 3500 rpm in my Saturn on the Highway only when I back down to 4th to pass someone.
@@308dad8 depends on the car.
My diesel tops out at 4000 rpm
@@fastinradfordable My cats are all gas and won’t top out at such low RPM but most of my driving is done at or below 3200 RPM
@@308dad8 I was mostly just explaining why it wasn't wanting to run higher than 4000 RPM. Truth is it wouldn't have any power past 3000-3500 because the spark isn't advanced as the RPM rises. To get optimum spark timing across the board, distributors advance the timing as the engine speed increases. A magneto does a great job when running an engine at a set speed, but the timing is set for whatever RPM you intend to run at and only that speed. If you set it up optimal for 3000 RPM, you'll have a hard time revving past 5 as well as starting it. It'll be too advanced and possibly backfire at low rpm, and be too retarded at higher RPM leading to the loss in power and limited revs. The spark will only be timed right for a certain RPM.
@@kentworch And I’m not arguing, just mentioning that provided it’s geared well that it should be reasonable to be limited to 4000 rpm
put an air starter on it, and run an air compressor while the engine is running, small 5 gallon tank should be enough.
This is one of my favorites! Thank you Vlad
I really enjoyed this video. I did not think it would work. But you showed me it can and will work. Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to your next project.
Proper Mad Max style engineering. Bring's up memories of my old Awo simson with magneto.
Great job guys!
Awo was better then this ''modern'' chinese plastic ugly ''motorcycles''
What a great job timing all 4 to each cylinders and getting it to work. Well done again.
That long exposed chain scares me... I wouldn't stand to the side of it.
huge chain, small mechanical stress on it. All good. When you pull a wood, 5 tons, from the forest with 1/4" cable, that is scary.
@@MarioAPN no that's just russian roulette with a steel whip
@@MarioAPN 4 foot of timing chain spinning at 3,000 RPMs has a lot of inertia. It flies loose and whips around at 3,000+ rpm, that will cause a lot of damage.
Timing chain isn't light either- pretty heavy stuff.
@@xtremeownagedotcom also timing chain will not break with this load.
That was sooooooooo awesome. A really really epic experiment. I hope we can see more videos like this in the future.
You guys have the minds of an engineer! Very cool! My 95 grand cherokee 4.0l engine uses a wast spark system and if anything it will burn cleaner by igniting and left over hydrocarbons.
11:00 probably the everyday conversation with his neighbors
Your motor experiments show that you guys really know your base engine mechanicals... Great work!
Stopping the motor with your hand is crazy. Bravo.
This was really great. I like to see retrofit old on new machinery.
Never ceases to amaze me you guys are awesome and I love watching you're builds never gets old
The things you do to ladas is absolutely amazing well done guys
That's pretty cool. Makes for more parasitic power drain, but it works.
I want to see G54 "go green" and swap a lada engine for a generator motor from something and power it with a bunch of batteries in series in the back seat and trunk.
this is probably the craziest thing ive seen you guys do lmfao i love it
"In true g54 fashion" i need this phrase more often
you deserve a patent for this one.
The chit chat with the other guys was amazing
5:10
Most experienced man!
Love that part.
This good sir should be given a Nobel peace prize for showing us what we can and can't do with cars.....come to think of it us in the motor world should have our own awards...viewer based and result oriented.
This guy’s never cease to amaze me with their crazy automotive experiments!👌😂👍
that camera guy though we should show some appreciation for doing all that running to get us some good video
It would be interesting to run a slightly longer chain and a tensioner mechanism that slides from one side to the other laterally that can provide advance. Possibly put it on a vacuum actuator hahaha
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I don't know how this comment didn't get any likes. Come on people, don't you guys want SOLUTIONS?!?
Could you use a derailleur with some gears, like on a bicycle? 😆 I'm not too mechanically inclined, so I'm not sure offhand if that's feasible.
I guess it would rip itself to shreds in no time flat. Oh well, it was a nice thought
I know how you could do a hand crank. Fit some sort of valve that opens the cylinders to the air, reducing compression to 0. This is a system used on some older semi trucks
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Magnetos...
Thats why you shut down an magneto fired aircraft by cutting off the fuel... otherwise it will still run even without battery power
You can also ground out the magneto on aircraft magnetos with a connector provided. Ungrounded and the magneto operates.
@@pctrashtalk2069 thats the "OFF - L - R - Both" switch, right ?
The main reason we use a complicated electronic ignition system is because it makes it easy to adjust the timing on the fly for all driving conditions magneto systems work alright with single speed engines like lawnmowers and tractors.
This is what you guys need for your lada jz build
Vlad you killed it in this one! This is top notch experiment!
These guys are beyond awesome IMHO.
This dude could write a book of what you can and can't do to a car lol
Old school race cars back in the old days used megneto ignitions as well! They can be quite ideal! I kind of want to use something like that for my old 1920s rat rod. I think modern fuel injection systems might not like them, though.
Now you can build a Lada with a complete mechanical set up using a mechanical fuel injection system and the magnetos. I'd say to get the most revs out of the the engine you will have to advance the timing of the magnetos by a few teeth on the gears to get the best results. Other than that, that set up is impressive.
Garage 54 That was very cool ,Thanks all you guys
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Now we know where went all our uk ladas, for amazing garage 54 team testing site LOL
This guys can put ladas working with anything keep up guys.
i dont know why but i love watching your videos late in the night i seem to enjoy and appreciate them more
"your sorcery scares me!" Hahahaha
Vlad, You can replace the four magnetos with just two. Magneto number 1 is connected to cylinders 1 and 3 ( I assume they are running at same engine speed, not half speed). Magneto number 2 is connected to cylinders 2 and 4. As they provide 2 sparks per revolution there is correct timing this way. Also, did you set a reasonable advance on each magneto when you timed each one? Usually something like 6 degrees before TDC is what most cars use. Perhaps that was the reason why the Lada engine would not rev past 4000 rpm, not enough advance.
Most motorbike engines before 1950 had magneto ignition and an advance lever on the handlebar. You started with ignition fully retarded, so the engine would not kick back, then progressively advanced the ignition for normal operation. And indeed the ideas you test in Garage 54 are great and give us often a new understanding of car mechanics. Please keep up with the format.
This is the most interesting thing you have done. Good very good
Nice mod.
The magnetos produce 35,000 to 55,000 VDC.
Gap the sparks plugs to 0.060". That should be fun.
Make a wind up spring loaded hand crank like they did on old airplanes. You wind it up and release the spring loaded gear and it turns over the engine several times. Also using a heavy wheel that you wind up and the inertia turns over the engine!
Always enjoy watching 👀 appreciate it
I actually did not think this would have worked out but this is awesome
Yeah old bikes ...I still have one which does have battery and magneto too...battery backup is for lights, horn and side indicators ...and battery got discharged and dead long time back never cared to replace it ...as bike works quite nice and hardly it needed any major repair except service and oil, clutch, brake wires change.
@11:52 - Your sorcery scares me....from a man wearing a tiger in a hoodie looking all sorcery-like. :D
These guys are awesome 😎.
Now put one of the double units on the 2 cylinder "half a lada" engine and make the ultimate backyard tractor
Thats some MAD MAX stuff👍👍👍
Now thats some MAD MAXYM engineering 😉😉😃
You guys are very talented.
Magnetos generate power lawn mowers use them to make spark to run the engine when the flywheel spins around magnets going past each other.
Mechanical fuel injection? Magnetos? You guys are secretly building airplane engines.
When the generator on my 1991 Mercedes 190E 2.0i stopped working and it emptied the battery and stopped in middle of nowhere I had to push start it after fixing the generator. It was no problem push starting it alone... But my 450ccm dirt bike is pretty much impossible to push start alone as it will either just lock the back tire and not turn the engine at all, or not turn the engine fast enough to start if you put it in higher gear.
2 of the dual spark mags are all you need to run a 4 cylinder. Sure will make things considerably more simplistic also. This was really neat though. Thumbs up
was thinking that as well! wasted spark ignition. the ease way would use the distributor with out the coil, use one mag to send hi voltage to the distributor and time the mag for best running. would probably need the points in the distributor in place of the ones in the mag to make the mag pulses sync with the distributor rotor. been a long time since i have seen a multiple cylinder mag. have used a 1 cylinder mag on a 2 cylinder it worked!
Such an awesome and unique experiment. It looked soo cool too, mean, but cool!
That is fantastic guys have you ever thought of the magnetos from an aircraft engine but i would probably bet a bit more money to buy. Thanks ingenuity at it best.
Another thought. Ladas aren't cross plane engines. With smaller cogs, they could only use two magnetos with a wasted spark.
Thanks for sharing 👍😀
YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING!!! Holy wasteland blackfinger skills...
I was wondering how they dealt with timing advance but hearing them say it doesn’t rev above 4,000rpm answered it: They didn’t haha
We need a G54 "Your sorcery scares me" Tshirt
Love y'all badass video
I think that's a lot of Engineering!
Nice job!
Four stroke mowers have a wasted spark too. It's fine 👍
Why not try magnets and Briggs coils?
Then add a four stroke weedeater engine as a pony. No battery just start the pony and get engine spun once a lever is pulled.
You should make a generic kick start device for a car that you jump on. Just use a big transmission sprag at the kicker attachment and use the starter gear and ring gear on the flywheel. Make it so you can step onto a small platform on the kicker from standing on the roof or hood.
It’s totally doable.
That spark is insane
Awesome experiment guys 👍🏻🔥🤘🏻
Would be so cool to hang out with this guy and his crew
what a fine piece of equipment
The Citroën 2CV has a very funny ignition system where both spark flugs fire at the same time (2 cylinder engine). One happens during the compression the other exhaust and it works just fine
If you can pull that off, then you probably can fit a single lawnmower flywheel with built in magnets with four Y-shape magnetos. Fitting an advance timing system is optional.
It sounds so smooth! i wonder how this would compare to the standard lada distributor, would it make more power on a dyno?
I would love to see piezo sparkers used here, the sort you see in electronic ciggy lighters.
I wonder if the Magneto's can be used to make a perpetual electrical source. They put out high electricity. Just have to find something that will spin them faster with lower voltage than is being produced, and a surplus can be stored, to further continue operation. Just a thought as it is almost one now, except the fuel will have to keep being replenished and that ends the perpetuity. It would have to run un assisted after its start only on the original electrical source without any other intervention for a sustained amount of time.
You have to push home, if you are alone.
Haha, sure! 😃
Back in the day I had an old car which sometimes did not start with the starter, but did with push. I wasn't alone, but the passanger was my mom who didn't have driving license and she tried to push it, but the audience in the steet just kept asking why the women do the pushing (instead of helping of course) and she couldn't push it fast and long enough anyway.
I then got out, started pushing it holding near the drivers door, then when I felt it was fast enough, I jumped in, slammed into gear 2 and dropped the clutch. It started. 😉
Well that is pretty cool so pretty much all need the battery for is to turn it over and you still need a charging system to keep the battery charged but you don't need a battery for the ignition system pretty cool
Next experiment: Disc rotary valves geared together across the top of the motor. Felix Wankel designed them for torpedo engines. I recommend a duration of 260 degrees for valve opening and closing times. Then see what the highest rpm is. No valves to bend.
Следующий эксперимент: дисковые поворотные клапаны, соединенные зубчатым зацеплением в верхней части двигателя. Феликс Ванкель разработал их для торпедных двигателей. Я рекомендую продолжительность 260 градусов для времени открытия и закрытия клапана. Затем посмотрите, какие самые высокие обороты. Нет клапанов, которые нужно гнуть.
Very interesting!
Pretty impressive 👏