The Undying Slaves of the Valyrian Mines 💀 ASOIAF Theory

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  • @bestblerd5042
    @bestblerd5042 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +161

    Honestly, if the show implied this "the faceless men destoryed valeriya because they corrupted the cycle" I wouldnt have a problem with arya stopping the night king

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Yeah it would have made a bit more sense

    • @Baamthe25th
      @Baamthe25th 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I mean, you would also have to have Arya believe in that doctrine, rather than simply run away and use the powers for herself/her revenge.
      That's something the show didn't do at all, instead, having her escape while stabbed multiples times in the gut and after getting thrown in the dirty sewers, lol

    • @bestblerd5042
      @bestblerd5042 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @Baamthe25th OR OR OR the faceless men had a plan all along. Everything from talking to Jakhar in a cage, to joinging the faceless men, to rebelling, and finally killing the knight king. They knew, through some magicky gizmo that the only person they could reach who would be at the right place at the right time was arya. Maybe they were even responsible for some of the plot holes around dannys early story and stope her essense or whatever the spell is that transfers phophesy to another person. One faceless men special epilogue and you wrap the show in a bow.
      Does it really make sense that there are only 2 faceless men? Does it really make sense that they let her learn all their secrets and run away? Its not a school, its a cult. Why didnt anyone come after her?

    • @davidalesson197
      @davidalesson197 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Funny how danny is also portraied as "the breaker of chains". maybe arya will have a big role against the ice king (George probably told that to the directors of the last season), but we will definetley have some more context involving arya, danny and the faceless men in the books.

    • @Baamthe25th
      @Baamthe25th 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bestblerd5042 In the books, perhaps
      But DnD definitely destroyed that plotline

  • @3002TREX
    @3002TREX 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +185

    GRRM not releasing the last book for 13 years but giving us WoW and Fire and Blood In Between has given us an unexpected Rennaisance of great fan theories

    • @spicypineapple2778
      @spicypineapple2778 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      You mean world of ice and fire right? WoW sounds hilariously like winds of winter and we all know that bridge never got crossed lol

    • @stephenjenkins7971
      @stephenjenkins7971 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@spicypineapple2778 I thought he meant World of Warcraft and got confuzzled lmao

    • @ThePDaddy
      @ThePDaddy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think both books are gonna release the day he dies tbh.

  • @equilibriumoficeandfire
    @equilibriumoficeandfire 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +361

    "Once they figure a way to work a dead horse, we'll be next. Likely I'll be the first too. 'Edd' they'll say, 'dying's no excuse for laying down no more, so get on up and take this spear, you've got the watch tonight.' Well, I shouldn't be so gloomy. Might be I'll die before they work it out." - Dolorous Edd. We had perfect illustration of the concept all along. I find it amazing that no one before has connected the slaves to the fire wights which were a thing discussed in fandom for at least a decade

    • @nont18411
      @nont18411 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Which means Catelyn and Jon are now slaves to the Rhllor for some higher purpose🤔

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Yeah that’s a great quote! Adds to the nights watch being enslaved and requiring to be freed from bondage doesn’t it

    • @stingerjohnny9951
      @stingerjohnny9951 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@nont18411 That’s a perfectly grim dark depiction of destiny and prophesy for Game of Thrones XD

    • @edwardmartin5860
      @edwardmartin5860 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @eldric.stoneskin original night watch were probably tha undead.

    • @bluecat1462
      @bluecat1462 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@edwardmartin5860explains Coldhands. 😮

  • @morighani
    @morighani 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +74

    i always questioned why they prayed and longed for death when it was clearly really easy to accomplish. this makes all the sense!

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Yeah exactly, it’s the only way I can make sense of longing for death where death is so easily obtained

    • @donnalouisse6166
      @donnalouisse6166 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      if true, this is such an intricate and incredibly intelligent use of language and expectations on GRRM’s part! for a lot of readers “longing for death” could seem like the slaves were unable to take their own lives, eg Unsullied only acting on commands from the masters, or perhaps the masters had leverage like their loved ones - some attribution to loyalty, love or conditioning that we are used to within GRRM’s universe. but if we consider the valyrian slaves = fire wights, it adds such a tragic and subversive layer to it, and also makes perfect sense thematically and narratively - all men must die, but the slaves stopped being Men ;v; Brilliant job with this video and these comments!

    • @MC-el2us
      @MC-el2us 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’s dark af and I love it

  • @LuMoRo34
    @LuMoRo34 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +97

    Another thing I noticed in your video is that it says Khal Drogo after being resurrected and left in that "undead" state was folllowing the Sun with his eyes.... That's also the way all those greenseers found under the cave of Bloodraven seek and follow the torch that Hodor had in his hands.
    They are waiting for Dany's fire to be released from their suffering...😢 That's also why the Undying were reaching for Drogon, they didn't want to steal him, they wanted to be released by fire.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Makes a lot of sense!

    • @ShaiShai1
      @ShaiShai1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😮

  • @bradwolf07
    @bradwolf07 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    You know, I've wondered about the Slaves of Valyria. I couldn't make sense of it. This theory makes so much sense to me.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thanks mate! 💀🍻

    • @bradwolf07
      @bradwolf07 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@eldric.stoneskin No, thank you. I'm loving your videos. You get me to see things in new ways

  • @yensid4294
    @yensid4294 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +110

    In the books, The Others were described as quite etheral elf like beings (not as depicted on the show) Always suspected they were related to the Valyrians/Targaryens. Some sort of original sin, probably kinslaying and/or Blood Magic, caused the split of Fire & Ice dating back to The Great Empire of the Dawn & the Bloodstone Emperor. ( The show portrayed The Night King as a Dragon Rider. Could be a hint) It's fun to speculate...

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Yeah they are both described as beautiful as well, there’s a connection there for sure

    • @veo16
      @veo16 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Wish we had the Twilight style vampire aesthetic for The Others. They’re not supposed to be non-vocal monsters as depicted on the show.

    • @reinebautistamercado4286
      @reinebautistamercado4286 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      The Others could be descendants of the Amethyst Empress and the dragon-riding Valyrians of the Bloodstone Emperor. They both originated from the great empire of the dawn.

    • @pastapalads5598
      @pastapalads5598 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Their voices being described as sounding like ice cracking on a lake is cool as fuck. Shame it wasn't in the show.

    • @eucLogic
      @eucLogic 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Uh…we seen who the Night King was when the Children of the Forest turned him. He was a first man..they needed a weapon against them.

  • @umwha
    @umwha 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +104

    Slave Fire Wights. Melisandre! She said the Red Temple buys slaves, and that she was a slave. She is now a fire wight or something undead. The Red Temple continued (or originated?) the practise of firewighting slaves to keep them in service. Could this mean Rhllr is a valyrian god? Or a pre-valyrian GeoD god?

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Holy shit yeah your right, that is weird hey, I’m gonna look into that, top teir comment mate 🍻

    • @elizabethmead2852
      @elizabethmead2852 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      And she's 400 years old, that might match the timeline too. Great catch!

    • @umwha
      @umwha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@elizabethmead2852 Could that mean she is Valyrian? I’ve never heard the theory that’s she’s Valyrian. That would be interesting . However I do rather prefer the theory that she’s bloodravens daughter

    • @just_me_myself_and_I_99
      @just_me_myself_and_I_99 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@umwha she is 400yrs old

    • @umwha
      @umwha 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@just_me_myself_and_I_99 Where does it say that?

  • @SolidSDA
    @SolidSDA 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +122

    Ned Stoneskin just came out of nowhere with the best ASoIaF videos for the last year. But still a criminally low subscriber count.

    • @pyramidion5911
      @pyramidion5911 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I bet if he did livestreams the channel would blow up. Seems like thats the only thing youtube wants to promote these days.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Thanks mate!

    • @adrianbaev5277
      @adrianbaev5277 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Am I mistaken and isn't this all just better visualised versions of Michael Talks About Stuff's theories. I haven't seen through the entire video so I'm not sure if he's been credited somewhere, but it seems like it's just all the same ones he's made.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@adrianbaev5277 has Michael made a video about the Valyrian slaves being wights? Happy to give shoutouts but wasn’t aware tbh

    • @alexmoes3225
      @alexmoes3225 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@eldric.stoneskin pretty sure he has not

  • @ScadrianGhostblood
    @ScadrianGhostblood 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    I really love this theory. It makes valyrians even bigger monsters and creates even bigger symbolical connection with the others. Good job! I hope that George expands on valyria in the future and either confirms it or denies it.
    Speaking of undead, I have a theory you may like.
    Green Guardians theory
    Green men are one of the biggest mysteries in the entire asoiaf book series. They are kept deliberately obscure and are a centre stage of many of the theories. It's certain they will appear in future books and may be the key to stopping the others. While thinking about them after watching a theory video, I decided to try and find any possible remnants of that idea in elden ring.
    I think I found them and it could show us who green men really are.
    I believe that Guardians from elden ring were an idea from George and are a reflection of the idea of green men in elden ring.
    Guardians are human warriors that protect minor erdtrees spread throught the lands between. Also branches burst from their bodies making them something between a human and a tree.
    It is said that In accordance with an ancient pact with the Erdtree, it is said that their deaths lead not to destruction, but instead to renewed. eternal life as guardians.
    We also know that green men are also guarding magical trees because of a pact between humans and children of the forest. What if they aren't just protecting them out of duty, but as a part of benefit of the pact. What if in exchange for keeping their watch, green men were given immortality?
    Many people imagine green men the same way as green seers trapped in weirwoods. I believe that they are more like mobile magical tree warriors. In stories they even ride elks.
    Description of guardian swordspear reads: Wielded by guardians of the Minor Erdtrees, known as experts in the arts of combat.
    In the asoiaf story we hear about order of the greenhand that was foundet by house Gardener. Only best warriors could join the order, similar how only best warriors could become Guardians.
    Was the order just a human copy of the true magical tree warriors?
    Green men are already described as half plants with their leaves for hair. What if their antlers are in reality branches? The same way branches grow out of Guardians?
    In the end I want to mention that elden ring isn't a dream of spring. George never wanted to secretly reveal the ending to his other series. George instead reuses his magical ideas in new ways. George also didn't wrote item descriptions or lore for most monsters, but he definitely wrote the big cosmology and important magic. He definitely wrote about minor erdtress existing and being protected by expert immortal tree warriors

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yeah I agree with all of this, and that’s what I think the pact was, making green men tree warriors somehow, and I think this might also play into the stone warrior idea as well, because if the Weirwoods never die but just turn to stone I wonder if the immortal tree people turn to stone as well just like their trees

    • @ScadrianGhostblood
      @ScadrianGhostblood 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@eldric.stoneskin That is the thing about asoiaf, everything seems to be connected to each other. There is so much symbolism binding every character and magic in the entire story and so much different important inspiration to consider in theories. I even started considering if George was inspired by elfquest because he worked with and I think was friends with its creator. Elfs depicted are smaller than most post Tolkien and could have inspired children of the forest. Wolfriders are also very similar to Starks which could mean Starks literally have wolf ancestry. It also touches on basically the same themes as asoiaf. It is making me crazy and I haven't even finished first main story.
      (I actually recommend it btw it's great mature comic and it is free on their website)
      I have no idea how George will resolve all of it. It feels like we have couple of different broken puzzles that have many of the same pieces. I don't even believe that Daenerys has time to invade Westeros and play in politics. The moment she arrives ice zombies will be everywhere. The only thing we can do is to pray that George at least decides not to burn his notes after his death and hopefully delivers his dream of spring.

  • @lexj.2162
    @lexj.2162 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I think this is a good and plausible theory. Valyria Incorporated was going for several thousand years, and it couldn't likely keep finding thousands of fresh bodies at the pace they were working their dangerous volcanic mines, at minimum the storied fourteen flames. With this theorized practice, they could continue to make use of bodies already breaking down and beyond repair until the successive resupply or generation of assigned or captured slave labor came into the picture.
    Thinking it over, they could've used this practice of necromancy in regards to their lab experimentation, with human or other biological subjects that showed " promise ", replicating findings and methods, etc.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah exactly right, well said

  • @umwha
    @umwha 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    Undead, trapped in torment slaves in the hot volcanos - its hell. That would make the beautiful Valyrians the fallen angels, who run hell. That could make Asshai , or the GeoD Heavan. That would imply that the GeoD had a 'God', to whom there was a rebellion against. The people who rebelled fell out of the GeoD and created various civilisations, including Valyria.

    • @irisachternaam
      @irisachternaam 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      GeoD?

    • @LuMoRo34
      @LuMoRo34 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      And Daynes and Hightowers are basically Archangel Michael. They descend of the good/neutral factions of the GEotD and they are guardians.
      The first Hightower was said to have killed the last Dragon in Battle Island and are trying to erase all the magic of the world cause they know what the Bloodstone Emperor and later the valyrians did.
      We(and also the books characters) are all getting all the info and prophecies wrong.....

    • @ImNotOffended
      @ImNotOffended 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@irisachternaamgreat empire of the dawn

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Yes I like this idea, especially the Valyrians being Lucifarian, makes a lot of sense

    • @umwha
      @umwha 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@eldric.stoneskin Although the Targaryens rebeling against the Valyrians also makes them Lucifer squared.

  • @phnompenhandy
    @phnompenhandy 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Excellent. I love how the best ASOIAF theorists are still deepening our understanding the text after all these years. The best, like Eldrich, are getting closer and closer to establishing deep parallels between Ice and Fire. At this rate, you'll have cracked the end of ADOS long before GRRM gets there.

  • @charlieboone1298
    @charlieboone1298 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Genuinely wonderful to find a lore channel of any kind these days where the creator takes time to gather art and assets rather than putting prompts into an AI programme for it to shart out dreadful "art" for every transition. Well done for being an actual youtuber, and your voice is excellent for narration too. A grateful sub for you, mate.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Thanks! Yeah I’m very against AI art and will never use it in my videos

    • @Callisto_Arcas
      @Callisto_Arcas 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@eldric.stoneskin I've been subbed since just after you finished your Greyscale Kings series. And, finding out your stance on AI in your videos makes me even more proud that I found your channel.
      A creator I've been supporting for 3 years has the same opinion when it comes to his channel. The Red Book (Steven Gibb), a Tolkien analysis channel. When I watch your videos, I see the same depth of research & production value. Both of you are among the top channels IMO, and I feel lucky to have found you guys. Great work, Eldric!

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Callisto_Arcas thanks mate!

  • @nikharagrawal5808
    @nikharagrawal5808 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    You have knocked it out of the park again. My delight when I saw you have a new video!
    You have the mark of a true genius -- your theories and indeed the questions you ask -- they have such a simple, elegant appeal --- like it makes all the sense in the world that these questions are being asked.
    And from there you take us into more elaborate and delicate proofs.
    I can't believe I haven't seen this being discussed before! It was sitting right in front of our eyes! Only Beric and these slaves have ever been mentioned to pray for death!

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wow thanks for the comment! Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers!💀🍻

  • @abigail6873
    @abigail6873 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    EPIC implications for endgame with the ice wights!! Great vid!

  • @storsolo
    @storsolo 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Im here from the Doom of Valyria livesteam. I was so excited about this video.
    Subscribed

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ah thanks! Yeah that was a productive livestream, thanks for watching!

  • @bebethebard
    @bebethebard 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    My black blood raining from the sky part is what got me. Damn. Amazing work.

  • @LuMoRo34
    @LuMoRo34 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Yeeeeeeeeeessssss!!!! Yeeeeeeeeees! Yeeeeeeeeeessss!!!
    Since I was watching Michael talks about stuff's channel a while ago this idea also came to my mind. He was talking about the Undead greensseers crucified to make the wall and I thought this, I said "well maybe there's also the Fire version of this...." And then BOOOOOOOM, the realization came to me!!! That's why the Faceless men went to Valyrian and destroy the magic of the 14 flames, cause they were Undead slaves and ALL MEN MUST DIE, and that's also why Jaqen H'gar was going to the Wall, to also destroy the magic sustaining the Wall: Undead greensseers cause ALL MEN MUST DIE, but then he got caught in the Wot5k and met Arya so he decided to send her to train and do the job.
    I swear to God that I love yours and Michael's stuff cause of all the great ASOIAF theorists only you and him IMO have nailed It. The rest of the theorists have a lot of great ideas but only you tie them all, only you could tie the arcs in Old Valyria, Meereen, Bravos and the Wall!!!!
    MINDBLOWING INDEED!!!!!
    Edit: When I said the Faceless men motto I was no refering to the idea that they are trying to kill everybody, I was refering to the idea that they were born from those slaves in the mines and they knew of all the valyrian creepy blood magic to sustain their power that's why they went back to destroy It and then realize that the Wall is probably the same: Undead people desiring to get a final release.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah I agree they are against all those who corrupt the life and death cycle and heading to the wall knowing the others are returning makes alot of sense

    • @beautimous7347
      @beautimous7347 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I kind of wonder if that phrase doesn't have a deeper meaning? The white walkers destroy the world of men in ice. Magic seems to require blood sacrifice to work, more often than not. Maybe there is some sort of malevolent power in undeath that corrupts the natural order of things? A kind of anti-magic that perverts nature.
      Magic went on the decline after the GEOTD and The Long Night, after all.

    • @beautimous7347
      @beautimous7347 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      My response disappeared, which is rude. I guess I had too many no-no words. Can't have that.
      I wonder if the phrase has a deeper meaning. Magic requires death or pieces of life in order to work, it seems like. The Others destroy the world of men in ice and undeath. Maybe there is something about undeath that perverts the natural order of things, diminishing the magic that exists in the world? Magic went on a strong decline after The Long Night and the Great Empire of the Dawn, after all.
      Maybe the natural human life cycle is what actually powers all magic, and immortality prevents it from working?

  • @ryancialone3045
    @ryancialone3045 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I think maybe part of the resurrection trade off is that they can only be a fully functional version of themselves in extreme and agonizing heat environments like a volcano “fueling” their new un-living life now. Thats why drogo was mindless and a husk because he wasn’t in any significant heat. And that’s also why revolting, suicide, and escaping may have not been an option once you were brought back and escape is only viable if you haven’t died yet. It’s like an invisible chain. Because when you try to leave you just lose your mind and will and they come scoop you up. And if you try to hold the mine they’ll just wait until you all starve to death, chain you up, bring you back and put you to work again. And they were only set free when the volcanoes erupted and fully destroyed their bodies so nothing could come back. Or it could be something like the resurrection magic is tied to the 14 flames themselves and they can’t stray too far from them in general. Or that the resurrection spell used on drogo is “broken” because the 14 flames were also destroyed when they blew up so he couldn’t come back properly

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah well said, the Fourteen Flames are described as being "the source of their power" so yeah makes a lot of sense

  • @hydraman246
    @hydraman246 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Finally! Someone brings up the idea of fire wights. Such a simple yet brilliant theory.

  • @wintersking4290
    @wintersking4290 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    We see dragonglass used to ressurect the dead in the show. And well mines under volcanoes are probably FULL of obsidian. So it's even possible that they could have become undead by accident and the valyrians took advantage of it.

  • @johnnycamine
    @johnnycamine 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I'm 10 seconds in and i already know this one will be a banger. Your videos have killer vibes. Sorry babe, can't talk, new Eldric Stoneskin video just dropped.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks! Glad your enjoying the channel!

  • @dim391
    @dim391 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Absolutely brilliant work!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 I love all your videos and theories! This is yet another theory video I believe is likely true within the actual ASOIAF lore. Your channel, as well as Michael Talks About Stuff, are among the few ASOIAF channels that I actively watch and firmly believe for the most part contain theories that will likely turn out to be true down the line in the books and possibly in spin-off material.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you! Appreciate the comments! 💀🍻

  • @thelaughingstormbornagain1297
    @thelaughingstormbornagain1297 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've been a fan of A Song of Ice and Fire for years. I quickly got into the theory crafting that goes on in the fandom. I've spent countless hours reading and watching content analyzing the series. Few videos I watch these days suprise me. I like to listen while I work. This video made me stop what I was doing to just take in your theory. You were definitely cooking when you put this together. Mind blowing, to say the least.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thankyou! Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @spliffertonsheldrake6007
    @spliffertonsheldrake6007 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ser Stoneskin - you have done it again, my friend. I think your theories and dissertations are the best online. Keep making videos. We love them!

  • @cullysloy2705
    @cullysloy2705 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I thought they just chucked their fire proof bastards into the mines, but this is way more fun!

  • @kitkat6959
    @kitkat6959 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    This could play into Arya killing the Night King as well

  • @fergieferg9192
    @fergieferg9192 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Whoa. This theory made my jaw drop. Both because it makes so much sense but also...the horror of unending slavery.
    I never did understand why the faceless men would have blown up thousands if not millions of innocent slaves...makes sense now. Also explains how they could maintain the sheer numbers of slaves....I doubt even Valyria in it's hey day could constantly capture enough slaves to off put the losses.

  • @Anubiszz512zz
    @Anubiszz512zz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Wow such an amazing theory that recontextualizes so much. I think you're right on the money. As far as I know this is an original theory? I've certainly never heard it anywhere else and I cover a lot of theorists. Your best theory yet I think. Thank you for connecting some dots and solving several mysteries as Once. Cheers.

    • @Anubiszz512zz
      @Anubiszz512zz 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And this creates just such a beautiful symmetry that I really don't think it's coincidence. George specifically pointed out the presence of fire wights that contrast the ice wights. Again dude, congratulations, you blew my mind lol.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      As far as I’m aware it is but I didn’t go looking tbh, I had the thought while I was researching for a livestream with Disputed Lands and it made a lot of sense so made the video, glad you liked it!

  • @psicojorge
    @psicojorge 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Woah, amazing video. It made the Faceless Men's motto suddenly meaningful (not just a cool catch phrase). And that's mainly why I think your theory is spot on: it helps make sense of a lot of stuff that was left in the dark from the source material. I really enjoyed your video, keep the great work!!!
    Also, I wonder if this conmection between Ice and Fire was shown during the show in the form of the Children of the Forest making thr Night's King with... Obsidian!

  • @conniesuper9892
    @conniesuper9892 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    😮oh wow!
    What an excellent theory!!!So compelling!!!

  • @dennissantiago9525
    @dennissantiago9525 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Amazing take on a mysterious cataclysm and cult. I feel like Grrm himself would be happy with this as evidence for the doom of valyria!

  • @TheMoonDejesus
    @TheMoonDejesus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent. This puts the story in its proper context.

  • @GoldenXBoots
    @GoldenXBoots 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What? How can this awesome channel have only 3,5k subs? So glad the algorithm recommended me this channel!

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Me too! Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @SingingSealRiana
    @SingingSealRiana 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This is such a terrifying idea, notbsure if I believe it, but hell I love it!!!
    It is such a great idea, thqnks for sharing ❤

  • @michelesilva9491
    @michelesilva9491 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very good. I’m new to your channel, and I like this theory. It makes sense and backed up by txt and has symmetry with the others which is how GRRM writes, so I think your spot on. I look forward to watching more of your videos.

  • @OfWolfandRaven
    @OfWolfandRaven 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    That was excellent! A comment for the algorithm gods ser

  • @DEANOpics
    @DEANOpics 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Dude, another banger theory video. Keep the vids coming!

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks mate, will do 💀🍻

  • @jeremycompton9322
    @jeremycompton9322 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Okay, that was some impressive connecting of dots. Very interesting, and compelling!

  • @TheDisputedLands
    @TheDisputedLands 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Bravo! Just realized I wasnt subbed (which I remedied) so Im glad I saw your post on Twitter great vid Eldric!

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Amanda! And thanks for retweeting the video too, really appreciate the support!

  • @Not-Ap
    @Not-Ap 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A very very compelling theory! Subscribed! :D

  • @eviesholette
    @eviesholette 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Waking up to see theres a new video i missed while busy yesterday is so so good. Solid breakfast entertainment. You never let me down.

  • @ncorva
    @ncorva 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow, I'm left speechless. This is so good...
    Awesome content.

  • @beevie4081
    @beevie4081 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Super solid theory. We must figure out how Cold Hands fits into all this. Is he like the fire slave who first prayed for death?
    Also Micheal Talks About Stuff has a video where he interpreted Dany's visions in the House of the Undying as a plea from the ice wights to be released from their undeath.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cheers! Yeah coldhands is interesting hey, not sure how it plays into it tho at this stage

    • @beevie4081
      @beevie4081 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eldric.stoneskin here goes a wild take, specially cooked up for you:
      The stories about undead watchmen frozen in the wall are true. Over the years, the Night's Watch has been dwindling and the builders have struggled to keep up with maintenance.
      One of the undead watchmen escaped.
      "A blue flower grew from a chink in the wall"
      The chink in the wall is where the watchman escaped; the blue rose is not referencing Lianna afterall... It is referencing the story of Bael the Bard.
      "They killed him long ago"
      Who is Coldhands?
      A) Bael himself, killed and punished by his Stark son for his various offenses against the North
      B) Bael's son, punished and accursed to undeath for kinslaying

    • @beevie4081
      @beevie4081 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@eldric.stoneskin here goes a wild take, specially cooked up for you:
      The stories about undead watchmen frozen in the wall are true. Over the years, the Night's Watch has been dwindling and the builders have struggled to keep up with maintenance.
      One of the undead watchmen escaped.
      "A blue flower grew from a chink in the wall"
      The chink in the wall is where the watchman escaped; the blue rose is not referencing Lianna afterall... It is referencing the story of Bael the Bard.
      "They killed him long ago"
      Who is Coldhands?
      A) Bael himself, killed and punished by his Stark son for his various offenses against the North
      B) Bael's son, punished and accursed to undeath for kinslaying

    • @beevie4081
      @beevie4081 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eldric.stoneskin Here goes a wild take cooked up specially for you.
      The stories about undead watchmen frozen in the wall are true. Over the years, the Night’s Watch has been dwindling and the builders have struggled to keep up with maintenance.
      One of the undead watchmen escaped…
      “a blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice”
      The chink in the ice is where the watchman escaped; the blue rose is not referencing Lianna after all… it is referencing the story of Bael the Bard!
      “They killed him long ago”
      Who is Coldhands?
      A) Bael himself, killed and punished to undeath by his Stark son for his various offenses against the North
      B) Bael’s son, punished and accursed for kinslaying

    • @beevie4081
      @beevie4081 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@eldric.stoneskin here goes a wild take, specially cooked up for you:
      The stories about undead watchmen frozen in the wall are true. Over the years, the Night's Watch has been dwindling and the builders have struggled to keep up with maintenance.
      One of the undead watchmen escaped...
      "A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice"
      The chink in the wall is where the watchman escaped; the blue rose is not referencing Lianna afterall... It is referencing the story of Bael the Bard!
      "They killed him long ago"
      Who is Coldhands?
      A) Bael himself, killed and punished by his Stark son for his various offenses against the North
      B) Bael's son, punished and accursed to undeath for kinslaying

  • @andrewburnett8743
    @andrewburnett8743 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That is such a good connection you mentioned between all men must die and fire necromancy

  • @theuncannyval
    @theuncannyval 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Good job Eldric! Great video 😊

  • @Treyvah
    @Treyvah 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I wonder if Greyscale is a byproduct of Valyrian magical experiments as well, or from whatever process might have created Fire Wights.

  • @BTD1717
    @BTD1717 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great content, and really well structured!!

  • @christopher1367
    @christopher1367 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Bro brings the insight

  • @shelleyj3704
    @shelleyj3704 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great analysis as ever.

  • @ScarlitWidow
    @ScarlitWidow 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very compelling theory. Well done! ❤

  • @Azaganna
    @Azaganna 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    gah dammit you did it again. Serious props man

  • @d4darwin458
    @d4darwin458 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love this theory so much
    Nice one

  • @edwardmartin5860
    @edwardmartin5860 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think it’s part of it,theory with parallels is pretty solid. 💯

  • @Liizardqueen90
    @Liizardqueen90 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Holy crap this absolutely blew my mind 🤯

  • @Liizardqueen90
    @Liizardqueen90 หลายเดือนก่อน

    New subscriber! Came here after the live with LML 🎉

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thanks for checking the channel out!

  • @warpedwhimsical
    @warpedwhimsical 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awww yeee this has been a great year for asoiaf theorizing

  • @tommen6573
    @tommen6573 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Must be exciting to create a series of valyria❤❤

  • @closetweeb8492
    @closetweeb8492 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great vid man, had never thought of this before

  • @SathReacts
    @SathReacts 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Couldn't they fling themselves into the magma? I'd imagine it's much harder to resurrect molten slurry...

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah that would work I guess haha

    • @avrilavigne21
      @avrilavigne21 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's just a blood sacrifice to the 14 flames, and the Valyrian still win 😢😂

  • @MasterDuelMax
    @MasterDuelMax 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Just wanted to let you know David Lightbringer was sniffing up your theory tree in his latest video at ca 20 min. He was speculating that Jon would find a dragon in the crypts.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ahhh nice, I’ll have to check it out

  • @MikolajKnas
    @MikolajKnas 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Let me say one thing: Valyria is one of the biggest evils in ASOIAF. Fucking unhuman Empire of slavery and destruction. I am so glad it was destroyed.

  • @lanananans
    @lanananans 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow awesome theory man, cheers from Serbia

  • @wallybonejengles5595
    @wallybonejengles5595 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Firewights. Or each and every one of those slaves had the Blood of the dragon. Which would play nicely into the theme of great horrible lies steering the course of history. They were kin to the dragonlords the whole damn time. They were just tricked into beleiving they were so inferior.
    "Power resides where men beleive it to."

  • @Madame702
    @Madame702 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It interesting to note that Lord Tywin Lannister brother noted that when he visited the island of Dragon Stone, he could smell the foul sorcery used by the Targaryens to create it's castle and roads. He personally did not like going near it.

  • @ngarcia2116
    @ngarcia2116 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great theory 👏👏👏
    I fully subscribe to it now

  • @SSolemn
    @SSolemn 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    If the Doom was an inside job made with Lannister money, carried out by the Faceless Men, and ordered by the Targaryens... it would make sense that Dany too is invested in ending slavery from Essos, and with a future of ending the bond of slavery from the Others. I wonder if that will also apply to the Dragons in the end, considering that they could have the "souls" of the people who sacrificed to create them (And the Dragons may be the ones to send the Targaryens their dragon dreams). Amd maybe why the Sword of Legends shatters, freeing the Soul(s) trapped in them.
    Also, Bloodmages/Bloostone Emperor creating their slaves..... GreyStone people with Grayscale with their life "extended" as a curse.... & The Undying used by the Warlocks... lots of slaves in the narrative for sure

    • @LuMoRo34
      @LuMoRo34 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The scene of Daenerys and Drogon burning the Undying was a total premonition of the Endgame of this story....

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah I agree, I think the Targaryens probably wanted to end this magical slavery as well, hence why we don’t see the faceless men taking issue with them surviving the doom
      And yeah excellent point about the bloodstone emperor, he was said to dabbled in necromancy as well

    • @eric2500
      @eric2500 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eldric.stoneskin Yet the FM seem to be out to destroy the dragons in this timeline. Robert of IDG points out that all this resurrection is against their religion - and they blame magic, and for magic they blame dragons.

  • @shimaalcarrim7949
    @shimaalcarrim7949 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing insights. Never thought about these

  • @robrick9361
    @robrick9361 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    What do you think of the idea that the Long Night and the story of Azor Ahai was misunderstood as history when it was actually an ancient prophecy predicting what is currently happening in the story?

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah I think George is playing on the time as a wheel and the cyclical nature of events with this, and I think George is definitely using the past to tell us about the future for sure

  • @brianburke4756
    @brianburke4756 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    an impressive theory. Well-done.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks!

    • @brianburke4756
      @brianburke4756 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eldric.stoneskin you're welcome. :)

  • @b0baf00t8
    @b0baf00t8 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    another great video

  • @btaybreadtastic
    @btaybreadtastic 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    And all this is why the seasons are f'ed up. Love it great vid mate🔥

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah I agree, life and death, summer and winter, both are stuck in stasis and need to be released to return to normality

  • @byjordi2185
    @byjordi2185 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this theory but I just now noticed the most important part
    The famous saying from Braavos, the city where the escaped slaves live and the order of the faceless is established
    Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris
    All men must die, all men must serve
    Exactly what they did, always die and always serve

  • @mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr
    @mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This feels so right.

  • @MRBell-kg4kr
    @MRBell-kg4kr 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    George is definitely gonna steal this lol 😂

  • @AzureFyre8967
    @AzureFyre8967 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    awesome video! just by yesterday, im wondering, "does the faceless men worship the others, seeing they brought forth death?". I have my answers now, they are not, and are willing to stand against the forever winter that brought forth Undead

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah it seems that way, the balance of black and white, and the desire to return the life and death cycle to normal tell me that theyd also be concerned with the cycle of summer and winter as well

  • @ranabirmitra
    @ranabirmitra 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @Eldric Stoneskin brilliant topic to make a video on and works as a good companion piece to the livestream you did with Amanda in @The Disputed Lands👍
    The only thing im skeptical about is the blood of the resurrected slaves going up through the volcano and into the sky, only to rain down again. My take is that since Dragons have black blood too, it could be their blood which could be raining from the sky 🤷

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah understandable for sure, because it was noted as raining down alongside dragon glass which was down with the slaves I thought it was worth a mention

  • @bluecat1462
    @bluecat1462 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Actually blew my mind 🤯

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cheers! Glad you liked it💀🍻

  • @rickyhunt4075
    @rickyhunt4075 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The wildlings also say that Craster and his children have black blood. So there's another connection between Others and Valyrians

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah good call

    • @rickyhunt4075
      @rickyhunt4075 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@eldric.stoneskin So you think the Wildlings fearing Craster and saying he has broken taboos have something to do with this theory as well? I mean I believe it is stated his mother was a woods witch as well and he calls the Others his Gods. Craster is the only human we know who interacts with the Others and they don't kill. I mean how did the relationship between them start? I don't think he randomly walked up to one and handed them a child. This has always bugged me

  • @elizabethmead2852
    @elizabethmead2852 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool theory. These books are a lot darker than first glance would suggest.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, yeah they really are

  • @CompanyOfTheCat
    @CompanyOfTheCat 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This livestream gave us Valyria-related ideas only😂

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah it was a pretty productive livestream haha

  • @imawizard6876
    @imawizard6876 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    you got that Robin Leach cadence to the way you talk

  • @landog606
    @landog606 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    'Blood mages of valyria' sounds amazing in the Australian accent

  • @angela777K
    @angela777K 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was supposed to be a Reply to the person asking about the need for multiple ressurections..but imma let it ride.
    I think that the quote talking about "the most wretched" of the slaves was the first to be given the gift implies that these slaves' bodies would degrade through accidents or injuries. Which suggests that not every injury resulted in death, but did increase the suffering of the slave. And accidents that did result in death may have increased due to the degradation of the body and its inability to function properly. Also, attempts to end thier own suffering probably were pretty common. That increases the need to resurrect.
    .Just a thought...

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Very well said! The idea that the most wretched slave was the most degraded is amazing, that’s an excellent point, I’m picturing this slave almost like a Theon/Reek character, broken and begging for release

    • @angela777K
      @angela777K 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@eldric.stoneskin I imagined the wight that Jon brought to kingslanding in the show. It's limb still moves after its detached. It is literally in pieces, still going after it's target. I know show and book are different but that was the image I git thinking of the most wretched. Barric Dondarion and lady Stoneheart carry debilitating physical injuries but keep on keeping on. The thought that all the wights are suffering souls adds gravity to the whole concept of the abomination of enslaving the dead

  • @bc269
    @bc269 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The first faceless man was a Varlarian who was sick of the tyranny of his own people were enacting on the rest of essos.

  • @Bluemilk92
    @Bluemilk92 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a good one. Very fun!

  • @littlebabycarrotful
    @littlebabycarrotful หลายเดือนก่อน

    Puts a new spin on 'Valar Morghulis' It isnt a sad reminder, it's an admonition

  • @Ganymedia9
    @Ganymedia9 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Holy moley, that would explain so many questions I had about Valeria. Bonus points if it's true the dragons are from slave blood magic and have some level of human-esq consciousness (as is implied from all the weird scaled babies the Targaryens have), as then they would also be freed from being bonded and forced to serve too.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah because the bloodmages have something to do with birthing dragons I think the bloodmagic does tie in somehow

  • @thomthomui1695
    @thomthomui1695 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great theory 😊👍🏻👍🏻

  • @juliansalazar2655
    @juliansalazar2655 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wonderful and creepy theory 😮

  • @bautibunge737
    @bautibunge737 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Loved it!

  • @MichaelSturgis-g1j
    @MichaelSturgis-g1j 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Spot on. 100% this what’s going on

  • @GoldenXBoots
    @GoldenXBoots 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another comment as tribute to the algorithm Gods. 💛😊 Telling my family about this channel too

  • @chantelleoko8527
    @chantelleoko8527 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for this u genius ❤️

  • @thefastmagician
    @thefastmagician 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good stuff mate

  • @emrek99205
    @emrek99205 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Since the Doom of Valyria the act of mass resurrection has dwindled. What has not dwindled are the slaves. Slaver's Bay still brings in people from other lands. And the Unsullied are simply a martial repurposing of the brainwashing done to create Valyrian slaves. The Kindly Man states that the slaves did not resist at first. Nor did the Unsullied resist.
    But then one slipped the conditioning, questioned why he was being forced to work and wanted an end to it. It isn't said how, but he gave this end to another of his fellow slaves. This would have to have been an assistant or helper slave of one of the mages and would involve something that presumably would keep them from being resurrected (Weirwood paste?).
    Seeing that this worked he organized the other assistant/butlers and it is they who killed the mages. Possibly by causing a feedback in the slaves they tried to resurrect.
    It is from these assistants that comes the knowledge of how to change faces. A slave raised numerous times will undoubtedly suffer scars of past deaths. Being able to disguise the outward appearance of these would be desirable to the mages. It just turns out that such a disguise would be useful to an assassin.

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah I’m pretty sure the face changing is involved in this some how

  • @The88Cheat
    @The88Cheat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this!

  • @richietozier7091
    @richietozier7091 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This feels like a call back to the original myth of zombies, which originated in Haitian/Vodou Folklore not as the shambling monsters we know today, but as people who were forcibly resurrected and forced to obey whoever brought them back, a form of slavery not even death could release you from

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s interesting, I’ll have to look into that, great comment

  • @emrek99205
    @emrek99205 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    But what exactly were the mners mining? Only thing that seems plausible is obsidian.
    However other than glass candles and the occasional steel and armor, obsidian doesn't seem to be have been sold enough to sustain an entire nation. If you equate obsidian to oil in our own world, oil is used everywhere and used to make those companies who drill for it very rich. But oil is effectively everywhere in our world while in GRRM's world it only exists outside Valyria in less than about 200 items and is naturally occurring in many other places like Dragonstone.
    So again, exactly what was being mined and what purpose did it have to the empire?

    • @eldric.stoneskin
      @eldric.stoneskin  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think it was Obsidian as you’ve said, for their glass candles ect

    • @eric2500
      @eric2500 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gold silver, copper, gems, the usual.