The forgotten mini Rover SD1 - the Rover Quintet
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- A quick history of the Rover Quintet, released in Australia in the 1980s.
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The Honda Quintet was sold in Germany from 1981 to 1984. It became a litte famous here as the car with the worst drag coefficient (German cw-Wert) of all tested cars: 0.55 (source Auto-Motor-Sport magazine 1982). If I remember correctly, the drag coefficient was better when the car was turned around with its back towards the wind.
That gives a whole new meaning to Reverse Engineering.😄
This also applied to the Austin Allegro!
Germans always prioritize the wrong things.
@@rogerburrows2429 Oh Dear! Another numpty who spouts the crap that he heard down the pub or heard from JOURNALISTS from Top Gear etc who did not know the one end of a spanner from another. The Allegro was actually one of the most aerodynamic normal cars back then so much so that one of the BBC science programmes used an Allegro for that reason to try and find out what the perfect shape of a car would have to be to be perfectly aerodynamic - don't remember which programme it was but would be good if someone still had that one and put it on here to put that crap re the Allegro to bed. What they did was to stick polystyrene and cardboard etc on the outside of the car to reshape it and kept putting it in a wind tunnel to find out what the new drag coefficient was and then they kept recalculating and changing the shape till they got the best they could. From what I remember a perfect drag coefficient car would be impracticable as it would have to be very narrow and long like a small aircraft fuselage shape. People like you probably think that the MK2 Escort is a perfect drag coefficient shape car when it is shaped like a BRICK and yet you have the cheek to pick on the Allegro which was a far superior car to that leaf sprung agricultural by comparison car.
A german auto magazine is not a reliable source about japanese cars
My dad had a red 1981 Honda Quintet. It was our first car in Sweden, bought in 1994. I remember that dad praised it’s road stability and pleasent ride but it had problems with rust so he sold it after a year. But it gave me a nice memories.
Hmm, I remember the name "Rover Quintet" but couldn't recall it. Thanks for covering the intriguing vehicles unique to Australia. It has been a market virtually unknown to inhabitants of the Northern Hemisphere (unless you have connections with Australia or, like me, have some books about manufacturing history in that country). It's tragic that the local industry collapsed there in recent years after the domino effect occurred, but the history of Australia's car industry, not unlike Brazil, demonstrated great independence, unqiue ideas, and truly intriuging vehicles that only seem to have become familiar to the general automotive enthusiast public in the last few years.
I was thinking the same thing ..I remember the Concerto being around ,but I would dispute the ''reasonable numbers'' thing in Australia ..I cant recall ever seeing one.
I do remember the Rover Quintet. Because I was a fan of Japanese cars it was obvious to me that it was in fact a Honda Quint with Rover trim. It was essentially the five-door Civic that the Australian Honda range didn't get at the time.
Elfilin have amonged T-T
Rover (and British cars in general) have a fascinating history down here.
The 75 was the first Rover I ever came across. Thought it was fantastic as a kid and still do as an adult (Midsomer Murders had one as the main car, which helped stick it in my mind).
We got the MG versions too, just not the V8 model sadly. But at least we got the P76, shame it failed to take off and they crushed most of the coupe and wagon prototypes.
Rover is now Chinese and is in China and it’s not British anymore
@@louisbeerreviews8964 Yep, they certainly are, called Rowae or something. We get them as MGs over here.
@@louisbeerreviews8964 Rover isn't Chinese, they're Indian as Tata owns Jaguar and Land Rover therefore Tata owns the rights to the Rover name
My cousin had a Honda Quint (was sold as Honda Quintet in Finland) in the mid-90's. It had rust holes and was on its last legs. I haven't seen one since. Only around 400 were ever sold here.
My neighbours had a Rover Quintet. The alloys had 'Honda' cast into them, so minor were the changes between the cars.
I love how well you research and tell the story of each car ❤️
Well this one didn't require that much research. See the short list of sources for the actual car!
Great video. We used to see quite a few Honda Rovers on the roads here in Oz in the 80s. The Honda Quint didn’t come here so Rover had that model all to itself here but the 400 and 800 were clearly rebadged Hondas. By that stage the Button Plan was well and truly in force in Australia so badge sharing was commonplace and we saw all sorts of weird and wonderful mash ups. Holden at various times were selling rebadged Suzukis, Toyotas, Nissans and Daewoos. Ford and Nissan swapped models along with Ford’s long standing relationship with Mazda and Toyota sold their own version of the Holden Commodore.
Was a big fan of the SD1, but never knew about this car!!
Thanks for another great video!!
Same here!
Thought It was just an Australian model
I like the way you enunciate your words.
great video, i wish it would be longer ... i miss more of the old rover/other british marques videos from the beginning of your channel
keep up the good work though!
I parked behind one on a business trip to Australia in the '80s and I wondered what the heck it was, so thank you! It looked very smart.
Never heard of this car but looks really nice
Oh man this was great did not know about this! Thank you for your work first rate per usual.
Thanks my what a blast from the past, my Aunt in 1980 bought a new W Reg Honda Quintet in metallic green with beige leather and Honda Matic. I clearly remember the cool alloys and smell of leather. She swapped it for a 1981 BMW 528! (proper car)
I had forgot about these, a blast from the past - cheers from Brisbane
Here in the US we got the Sterling 827 which if I recall correctly was an Acura (Honda) Legend.
I talk about it in my Rover 800 video.
I'll always remember our Honda quintet for its leaky sunroof. My dad would take a corner and you'd hear the sloshing of water before it would dump onto my poor mum's head. Queue laughter of children.
Interesting, when you see the SD1, it was well ahead of it’s time, exterior wise but also the dash interior too.
Such an good post here, thanks 🙏
You still see a few original Qs knocking around down under, amazing what a reasonable climate dose for old UK cars still a fair few Austin land crabs here too
This is amazing I never knew about this car. Always wanted an sd1 so would have loved to see these about
Good afternoon! Greetings from Romania!
I've never seen one of those and now I find myself wanting one at the ripe old age of 34!
Combination stalk switches, reclinable seats, over-seized door mirrors... this baby came fully loaded!
Weird and quirky - I love it! :)
I'd forgotten about the Honda Quint(et), so thnaks for reminding me of that. Recently a car dealer near my place of work had a Honda Ballade (or rather: a Civic saloon, as it was imported from Greece, where the Ballade was apparently badged as Civic) for sale, and I briefly thought of buying it. Only very briefly, though, but I might not have resisted if it had been a Quint(et).
The Ballade ( ( Civic with a boot as you call it) was also sold in South Africa from 1980 to 2000.
The Ballade name originates in Japan.
The Civic Saloon started life as a Ballade .
@@monk3yboy69 I know all of that. Well, almost, because I had no idea when it was sold in South Africa, me not being South African. Here in Germany, the saloon version of the Civic (whatever name was used) was never very successful, so it hasn't been sold here for a long time. And I'm really not sure which name they used here, but it might have been a Civic from the start, just as it apparently was in Greece (the model I saw was from 1982).
I had the quintet back in the 80s loved it
Honda Quintets were sold in the UK for a very brief time circa 1985.
Rover Quintet
@@louisbeerreviews8964 - No, it was never sold in the U.K as a Rover, but briefly as a Honda as Matt W points out. (The name change is also mentioned early in the video).
When I was a kid in the late 80s and early 90s I remember my street was full of rovers, like every other car.
70s -90s Japanese car TV Advertisments are very ahead of its time and futuristic.
Great video. Have not seen the Honda version since I was a child.
Loved the Triumph Acclaim
Rovers were good cars, but the big financing and bail-outs from the Government, the low budget, the failed partnerships with foreign car manufacturers and strikes were the main rivals of the British car industry.
If they were so good why did the British public stop buying them ?
Why did they have nominal success in export markets where their Continental and Asian rivals outsold them massively?
@@williamegler8771 Because the Brits wanted Ford cars like the Cortina/Sierra and the Escort/Focus
@@lukelovescars08 VW Renault FIAT Nissan and others invaded the British market and buyers responded by buying more modern higher quality vehicles.
The main rivals of the British car industry was the striking workers
@@bootlegrecordingsbootlegre8139 Thank you for reminding. I forgot
Now you got me thinking as both the UK and Australia had both brands of Quintet in their market at the same time. This is mind boggling because you could buy a Honda Quintet or a Rover Quintet in either country at the same time from the respective dealers.
Not quite, the Rover Quintet was only sold in Australia and the Honda Quint was never sold there, only in the UK.
@@PhysicsAirline ah I was hoping for someone to challenge my comment. I happen to have a 1981 Australian KQ model Honda Quintet with the Australian compliance plate in the engine bay.
@@RideCamVids It must be a unicorn :) You should make a video on it.
@@PhysicsAirline it cant be a unicorn as I also have the Honda parts book for the first gen type. It covers the KE (UK) and KQ (Aus) RHD models.
@@RideCamVids There's definitely something weird about it; I've been a car nerd my whole life, worked in classic car insurance for 16 years and gone to plenty of Japanese-only car shows and have never, ever seen a Honda Quint. It doesn't appear on the Red Book listings either, which purports to have a record of pretty much everything ever sold here (I looked up some weird stuff to try to catch it out, but couldn't). Is it possible your Honda Quint is some kind of evaluation vehicle or perhaps one of a handful imported by Honda before the Rover deal was struck? That would explain the parts book. Whatever the case, cool car and definitely a unicorn, or close to it.
It was the Acura Integra in the US and was a smash hit.
The 75 might have been a problematic car but I am constantly amazed how many I still see on the road in and around Madrid. Couple a week minimum.
I was surprised to see so many old 2000 era Rovers in Spain during my recent trip.
@@BigCar2 People tend to keep cars much longer. Members of my family have 20 plus year old Seats and Audi's. But yeah plenty of Rover 2/400 and MGs ZS and ZR still on the road. Nothing rusts here, in Madrid, so cars that can economically stay on the roads do. Second hand cars are also pretty expensive so people often keep a car till it breaks then haggle hard on a new one. I had about 8 cars from 17-35 in the UK, on my second after 14 years here.
Thanks for the shout out.
You are very welcome, and thanks for a great video! I was going to contact you to make sure you'd got a link to see the video.
I got 2 thirds the way through the video and had to stop. This era of British car manufacturing is just too darned depressing although one might argue the video is as much about the success of the Japanese industry.
I worked for a Honda dealership in NZ in the late '80's, they also sold Rovers...but we never saw any Rondas there. We did get them in NZ, but don't know how or where they were sold.
The hub caps on the P76 look like those on the Ford Zodiacs and Zephyrs from the 70s.
It was basically a Honda Quint hatchback badged as a Rover Quintet.
I can remember still seeing these on the roads in the early 2000s, usually driven by little old ladies.
What would be a great video….
HOW CAR CLAY MODELS are MADE.
Funny how the brochure (at 2:48s) plays up it's '4 doors' yet it's a 5 door and the Quintet name alludes to this. Back in the early 80s the 5 door term wasn't used much but with the car being named after having 5 doors it's funny the ad doesn't reflect this
I owned both a Rover 216 vandenPlas and a Rover 216 Vitesse in the late 80's. Nice cars, but they were not upto Honda standards.
Wow the Honda/Rover Quintet was a rust bucket first class lol!
Not great as a mild Honda makeover but good, safe business nontheless.
The biggest Rover (as in BL/AustinROver not classic Rover) disaster was BAe's acceptance of BMW's takeover. Closer alignment with Honda while unexciting would've been better for both - at least for British and EU business. I've mentioned nefore, but I was in the main Longbridge production (not product!) engineers office when BMW's takleover was announced - shock rather than surprise, with one being especially upset at having spent two hard years tripping to Japan and trying to learn Japanese.
Nice license plate logo
Will we ever talk about the influence and history of the Reliant Robin?
Also great video
Or about the whole British car industry
@Mr Jed69 - Mr. Big Car already made one film about three-wheelers: "Why are 3-wheelers dangerous?".
Check the Big Car channel to see.
@@lukelovescars08No. That's not the same thing.
Sorry!
I want to tell you something:
You mean Honda Accord with Rover badges. Woof!
Leyland Australia was effectively shut down due to the British Governments bail out of British Leyland. One of the stipulations was the scale back or closure of overseas manufacturing, hence the effective demise of Leyland Australia.
so good reviews , you're the best Big Car !! But, will be some Subaru story?? Would be good wrapping really 🙂
It's one I'd like to do at some point.
@@BigCar2 Thank You so much for the answer 🙂. And , have to say CHAPEAU for you and your tremendous work, so serious analysis of various cars developments . We love the cars, and yes , they are more than a need, status, hobby ... and you succeed in showing that to this TH-cam audits. Huge Thank You for that. And, I'm always keen waiting fot a new analysis. Your style is just excellent, happy and serious approach, not agressive and very very exact and accurate in all that data presenting. Your channel is the best I've encountered about cars on whole YTube . I'm sure you're spending a lot of research doing the videos. Rare to see that here on the net. Bravo!! and chapeau again and again !! 🙂 Salut 🙂 (a Jimny owner! lol )
it takes a certain kind of personality to make videos about obscure Rover models.
And a certain type of personality to watch those videos.
Thought this was to do with Rover Mini Spi... must go to Specsavers!
Nice, makes sense as with very imperial name like 'Jaguar Rover Australia' to be in business of selling rebadged Hondas.
I can't see why they didn't sell the hatchback Quintet rather than saloon acclaim tin Britain considering that the small hatchback selling more than small saloon at the time and Quintet looks newer than the acclaim. Some say that Quintet would conflict with the meastro, but then again the acclaim would conflict with montego.
You may be surprised if I told you that the Land Rover Discovery was sold in Japan in the 90's as the Honda Crossroads. The motor industry is quite incestuous!
It's strange that the Honda Quint/Quintet is said to be 5-door version of the Civic, when the Civic of that same era has its own 5-door body. And the Quint/Quintet shares more of the same mechanicals with the Accord of that era than with the Civic. Thus, it wouldn't be wrong to regard the Quint/Quintet as the 5-door version of the Accord, which was available as either a 3-door h/back or a 4-door sedan at that time.
When a video about the Talbot Tagora ?
Thanks !
You forget to mention JRA was making more $$$$$$$ building bus bodies than selling cars!
From memory they had over 70% of the Australian bus market to themselves at the time!
Leyland Australia was making more money on there truck and bus division than selling cars as a manufacturer when Zetland Plant closed in 1975!
Yep. Pressed Metal Corporation of Australia if memory serves.
@@TheKnobCalledTone. and PMC Adelaide (both running as separate identities!) then bought out Denning Coach’s & later buying out their biggest competitor (ex Domino Industries) Austral In 1988!
JRA was a real powerhouse!
That Honda marriage has always been a strange one. Honda better bought Rover at that time.
Hello mate!
Can’t understand why Rover never sold these in the U.K. I think they would of sold well. One thing Rover we’re always known for is lovely regal interiors. No one could make interiors like Rover..
Honda probably didn't allow it. Remember, they were trying to establish their own presence in the UK at the time.
And Austin Rover probably wouldn't have wanted it as it would have competed with the Maestro.
Pretty short episode :)
I've got a white one with lovely blue velour and hondamatic
nice, i've got a light blue one, needs a bit of work however, where are you finding parts for this?
@@charliehicks4 I've not needed any yet, but honda for mechanicals would be logical.
In those years the Japanese car companies were not shy of doing substantial partnerships of convenience with other strange bed fellows. I think these days, with the exception of ownership arrangements such as Nissan Renault Mitsubishi, they are more measured, and would rather do model by model deals of limited amounts, such as Toyota Supra / BMW, Mazda MX5 / Fiat 124, etc.
Interestingly the Koreans are rarely doing such deals. Maybe they are not yet up to such prominent position.
I didn't really think about the fact the u.k didn't get the Honda-rovers we got here. I remember as a kid seeing the five door integra as a rover and thought rover was a Honda brand
Ha, that's funny! Makes sense, though, if you weren't around for the history. As someone just old enough to remember the SD1 as a new vehicle and being familiar with the older models (and LR/RR models), the Quintet was not so strange, especially with the Laser/323 setting the trend in badge engineering here.
It looks about the same size as the Triumph SD2 prototype, albeit almost totally unrelated
I had a Rover 600 for many years. A fantastic car, but spare parts in Sweden were extremely expensive and hard to come by, so it was replaced with a Volvo.😥
Hope it will be easier to get parts for your chinese car.
I would love to see a video on the P76!
One day!
Hubnut did one when he went to oz, some real oddballs in his collection too....
Incidentally I remember all the oddball Honda, quintet, ballade etc bit never knew of the rover version of this....
Great video!
The WHAT?!?!?! This will be a good one :D
Yes. But they are rare.
In Romania aren't too much Rovers. Some of them were removed from the roads for good
@@lukelovescars08 I never even knew the Quintet existed. Rover was such a basketcase haha.
@@KarlHamilton Neither I!
😀 My initial idea for the title was “The what?!? The Rover Quintet story”
More Honda than Rover , Good car .
Based on what you’ve said, the brochure at 2:59 seems quite misleading! It’s not a Rover!
I never saw a Rover Quintet on UK roads
When did you last see a Rover 800 on the road?!?!
Australia is not the country we normally associate with industrial incapacity, lack of resources or something like that. It makes no sense why they don't have more car brands and models specific of their own.
When I think Australia the GT Falcon and Maloo immediately come to mind. Only one is truly australian.
Because potential buyership. How many people do live in Australia, about 25.8 million? That's not awful much, and being located in a part of this world facing overwhelming competition from Asia and being too far away from the important markets of Europe and North America made the domestic production of cars unfeasible in the bitter end.
A Maloo would be exactly the kind of car I'd like to own, but the major reason I wouldn't want to own one is RHD which is highly unpractical in Continental Europe.
@@reynardkitsune1 The main reason is MONEY... Australia is a high cost
production country .
Car companies would like either paupers or robots to make cars.
@Daniel T We very rarely developed a stand alone model or engine purely based on cost. Holdens had a lot of Pontiac and Chev underpinnings, Ford borrowed heavily from the US and Europe. None of our ‘home grown’ cars are 100% Australian except possibly the AU falcon and even it’s six had links way back to the original six in the first Falcon… which came from the US.
Throw in high labour costs, a small population, high registration, high insurance and fuel prices - plus we have nearly every car manufacturer in the world selling here - and the conservatives withdrew financial support after Toyota and GM took money and shipped it back to their head offices. Perfect storm on why we no longer make cars or pretty much anything here. Ford kept building the Falcon and Territory for a market that didn’t exist, same with Holden and the Commodore.
We used to build good cars, but it looks like we've out charged ourselves right out of the business of cars. It's a shame really. Australia did build some good stuff. Even the Chargers back in the day weren't a bad car.
More Australian content please ?
We gave a lot of GM/Holden stories
Unfortunately my mainly British audience doesn't seem to want to watch videos on cars they aren't familiar with. I tried with the American Pontiac Aztek, which wasn't a hit. Maybe I can find a way to do more international cars in the future.
@@BigCar2 thanks. Fair enough.
Although I would have thought everyone would know the Aztec because of breaking bad 😂
So just a honda with rover badges, like the 200 series and triumph acclaim
Indeed….
The emperor’s new clothes….
But it seemed to fool the Brits and Aussies it seems.
What related to Honda quintet it was popular in Algeria
Let me know when you want to do one on the P6 I have photos of every model and lots of info alot don't know
Can you drop me an email? bigcartv@hotmail.com
P6 getting the Big Car treatment would be nice 👌 .
@@BigCar2 Oh dam I did not see this yes of course!
Holden Commodore story plz
Unfortunately my mainly British audience doesn't seem to want to watch videos on cars they aren't familiar with. I tried with the American Pontiac Aztek, which wasn't a hit. Maybe I can find a way to do more international cars in the future.
I always liked the look of the Rover SD1 and don't think it got a fair shake over here stateside. By the time I was old enough to buy a used 3.5l with my own money, they'd all been crushed or rotted away in the boneyard and good examples just didn't exist anymore (here). Sterling was an absolute abortion of a marque and I can't believe Honda didn't pull out faster than a sophomore on prom night. Alas we didn't get the 5-door Civic hatchback here, but the sedan sold like hotcakes as did both versions of the Accord
Here’s a topic for you. The Sterling import from the eighties.
I covered that in the Rover 800 video.
please do the nissan almera
In hindsight Rover should have continued cooperating with Honda?
It would have been their best chance to stay alive, to have been subsumed in some way.
That red & white car at the start of your video looks very much like the Ford 100E right down to the grill and headlight trims but has a more round look what is it ?
It's a Morris Major.
It's the Morris Major, which was originally conceived as a replacement for the Morris Minor. The body was basically the same as the UK market Riley 1.5/Wolseley 1500. There was also an Austin Lancer version, sold only in Australia.
Why so short? The segue into MMC Aust was short and the P76, I reckon, is worth more than a mere mention. Still, I enjoyed this presentation.
That’s all the information I could find!
@@BigCar2 Oh 😞 In many ways the P76 was a better car than the comparable Kingswood or Falcon. I also thought it was much better looking. The Quintet never registered in my life so thanks for letting me know it exists! 😄
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Is it just me or does that Rover Quintet have a distinctly Hyundai Pony look to it?? btw there's probably no need to describe individual Rover models as 'ill fated' - it goes without saying!!!
Like a German car magazine once stated: "...the (Honda) Quintet is the answer to a question never being asked...".
At least in Germany, there was the 1st Gen Accord as sedan and hatchback and the 2nd Gen Civic as hatchback and wagon. The Quintet used the chassis of the Civic (wagon) with the engine of the Accord, but it looks like the German customers weren't the only ones being confused and rather bought Civics and Accords.
Great video as always. Your mention of the ill fated Leyland P76 , reminded me of the initial advert that the P76 boot would hold a 45 gallon oil drum! very handy! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Leyland_P76_with_44_gallon_drum.JPG Keep up the good work Malcolm
On the basis you needed to take it with you to keep the engine going? Someone in the marketing team didn't think this through...
The Rover 200 series were a joint Honda venture some had Honda engines, some Rover, a friend of mine by accident ended up with two 216’s, one had a Honda engine, the other had the Rover engine, they were very different, the Honda engined one was far superior in performance and economy, in fact the Rover engine was dreadful in comparison
The River engine was less powerful because it was a 1400cc unit used in the lower trim variants.
The more expensive variants had the larger 1600 Honda unit
You pay more money you got a bigger engine
Not the bonniest. Somewhere between Morris Marina coupe and Hyundai Pony.
Never woke up this morning thinking I'd be typing ''bonniest''.😀
How long has Purrrgeot been spellllleed with three RRRRs??? 😅
SD1=beautiful+V8 engines. Quintet=fugly. Nothing like the SD1 then.
"Ill-fated Rover [model]" - is there ANY model Rover this doesn't apply to?
P4, P5 and P6 to name three for you.
My second girlfriend had a Honda Quintet. Had a lot of fun in the back of that.....😉
Was your first girlfriend ok about you having a second girlfriend?
I like your style but I dnt think I would get away with it 😁
@@nickyboy. who cares? My first girlfriend left me 3 months before I met the second one. And the second one dumped me before I met the third, etc.
What’s the open top Jeep looking vehicle that gets “42mpg” !?
It's a Mini Moke.
Looks like a 80,s Honda.
Which it is basically
Mazda 6 story please
Do the words ‘ill fated’ have to be inserted before every BL car name, as you have with the Rover 75 and the Leyland P76? 😄
I’m afraid so. It’s a requirement.
@@BigCar2 Let’s try it; the ill-fated Rover Citygo. The ill-fated Austin Maxi. The ill-fated Austin Ambassador. The ill-fated Triumph Stag. Yep. It works!