All pals are designed. I ate because i chewed food. Moses was a racist, but was also a planner. Its like saying kobe was only a rapist And not a basketball player
Lol amazing lecture. Just watched it with my roommate with breakfast.. Buying your book asap. Youre my role model, a funny, ethical entrepreneur, and social activist.
There is absolutely no super highway, interstate or parkway that goes through the neighborhoods of Hempstead and Uniondale...Both African-American neighborhoods... Both on Long Island... Long Island Expressway went right through white wealthy Old Westbury
There is absolutely no super highway, interstate or parkway that goes through the neighborhoods of Hempstead and Uniondale...Both African-American neighborhoods... Both on Long Island... Long Island Expressway went right through white wealthy Old Westbury
One of the best things Robert Moses did was Orchard Beach in the Bronx. He had the original beach by that name landfilled (it was in Pelham Bay, between Rodman's Neck and Hunter Island) and had the new beach built on the east side, by Long Island Sound. Everyone in the Bronx had the chance to go to a beach close to home after that (though before the highways it would be a long trip for some people). With the original beach, a group of people somehow got together and decided to form a beach colony and keep out anyone that they didn't want there (I'm guessing black people, Hispanics, Italians, Irish, and anyone else in the Bronx who wasn't WASP). They had a lot of nerve, and deserved to have RM kick them all out. Other people, however, didn't deserve that fate when it happened to them, like when the city wanted a new opera house. (I love 19thc architecture, and in my opinion, the old opera house was a lot more attractive.) And the fate of Penn Station makes me want to cry.
There is absolutely no super highway, interstate or parkway that goes through the neighborhoods of Hempstead and Uniondale...Both African-American neighborhoods... Both on Long Island... Long Island Expressway went right through white wealthy Old Westbury
"You tell me 'Jane Jacobs has won,' I'll show you mass transit that is literally crumbling before our very eyes". I live in Mexico City, where just a few weeks ago a subway overpass collapsed, resulting in several deaths and severe injuries. This specific subway line has had issues since day one. It was built in a hurry by the local government and by a businessman that I would describe to New Yorkers as a mix between Robert Moses and Rudy Giuliani. So yeah, that one hit home.
There is absolutely no super highway, interstate or parkway that goes through the neighborhoods of Hempstead and Uniondale...Both African-American neighborhoods... Both on Long Island... Long Island Expressway went right through white wealthy Old Westbury
If you believe a "dedicated highway" is the answer to gridlock, I suggest to try to traverse the Cross Bronx Expressway or the Long Island Expressway. A Lower Manhattan Highway would have eliminated most of Soho and done nothing to ease congestion. Instead, we'd just have an eyesore highway running thru the cast iron district. The way to address gricklock downtown is to improve mass transit and transpo alternatives so there are less of them occupying the same amount of space.
There is absolutely no super highway, interstate or parkway that goes through the neighborhoods of Hempstead and Uniondale...Both African-American neighborhoods... Both on Long Island... Long Island Expressway went right through white wealthy Old Westbury
@@TheOneArmedViolinist Maps says it goes around When the southern state was built it went through farms and not cities or towns There is time for you to research this topic
@@arthurallenbrown1305 having worked in uniondale, i know exit 21. Also, you surely know there are only 2 cities on long island, right? So no, no parkway on LI- or expressway- runs through a city on LI.. Bonus- name the 2 cities on long island
Casting Robert Moses as "the devil" seems both naive and over-simplistic. Mr. Haber chooses a two hundred year old example of "great urban planning" (the Erie Canal), when New York City had a population of 123,000 people, to show a "success" and then proceeds to equate what Robert Moses did for (or in Haber's opinion "to") the city in the 20th Century as equivalent to the evils of the Great Depression. It is quite true that Moses' projects did not increase the population of NYC 10-fold (as he purports the Erie Canal did), but may one ask, "Are Moses' projects to be blamed for this decrease?" If one looks (for instance) at the once thriving City of St. Louis, Mo in the 20th Century, it population peaked at roughly 856,000 in 1950. Today it hovers barely above 300,000. Was St. Louis' decline the result of dictatorial urban planning, or were there perhaps other factors? Critics of Moses tend to propose a simplistic opposition between Roads/Cars = bad with trains/buses = good. Well now with the electric car I'm afraid Mr. Haber and his colleagues will have to rethink their strategy. It's quite true Moses ALWAYS favored the car over mass transit; for the very simple reason that he knew he could charge TOLLS to individual motorists and fund his building projects. Subways, Trains, Buses BY DEFINITION are always MONEY LOSERS. If your local public transit was run by private corporations you'd find trains, buses, subways, etc. CANCELLED--as the Airlines now regularly do and strand folks without a thought. So Moses (inevitably) always tried to build large projects to generate self-sustaining revenue. And he did throw in quite a few parks and beaches at the same time. If you want a true "dictator" who totally had everyone in his thrall I suggest you take a look at J. Edgar Hoover: the F.B.I. was his personal domain and I would suggest he did a lot more real harm than anything of which you can accuse Robert Moses. Robert Moses was essentially "racist" against anyone who could not pay their own way. And to blame him for the evils of racial discrimination when you had the likes of Fred Trump taking Federal money and not renting to minorities at the same time seems incredibly short-sighted. Jane Jacobs stopped Robert Moses--but if she'd managed to STOP FRED TRUMP then maybe all of us alive (and the half a million unnecessary dead Americans) might be SIGNIFICANTLY better off today, don't you think?!?!?!?!?!?!?
He did do a lot of good (like in the Bronx) but there were times when he went too far. He wasn't all wrong, but like a lot of powerful people, he misused that power. And not enough people were brave like Jane Jacobs and stood up to him.
@@luciafalce9478 : while JJ had great ideas at the micro/neighborhood level, how do you tie together a megalopolis? And a mega city like NY , built on islands and peninsulas needs bridges and highways.
This lecture is very skewed to support the speaker. It is full of inaccuracies. It is misleading for the listeners, and especially his college students. Disappointing.
I mean i don't think there were public buses in the early 1920s that would run from NYC to Jones Beach, let alone could most afford it white or black...
@@TheOneArmedViolinist Robert Moses had a Ph.D. in political science. So he was not an engineer or an architect. Regardless, not all architects agree and not all urban planners agree. I think its pretty fair to say Robert Moses ideas were horrible in the long run. Having millions of people drive into a city is not practical due to space needed to accommodate that many vehicles. LA has horrible traffic for a reason.... Also, cities that try their best to accommodate cars, like Moses wanted, end up turning into giant parking lots. Look at Newark, Baltimore, Cleveland, Buffalo, and Kansas City. These are all cities that destroyed their downtown in order to build highways and parking lots. Now look at them..... Much of their history and population is gone.
@@Nutter-l3s : your conclusions are not based on facts. Buffalos problems were based on industrial economics. How do you build an 18m+ mega city? The car is here to stay.
@@louisyeostros4978 The cities I mentioned (including Buffalo) all faced economic hardships. They turned to the 60s era policy of "Urban Renewal" to rebrand their cities. This involved destroying much of the historic downtown to make way for parking lots and highways. That's why Buffalo has lots of parking, but not a lot of residents! New York dabbled a bit in the "Urban Renewal" nonsense. Hopefully the new generation can learn from the mistakes of the past. Cars will always be needed, but great cities need more than just cars.
This was great vid and you are a great speaker .
I feel like I just learned about the why of my childhood. It was planned, it wasn't accidental. Thanks for this presentation
Thanks Hashim. I'm glad you found the lecture insightful. Yes, it was all planned and done by design.
All pals are designed. I ate because i chewed food.
Moses was a racist, but was also a planner. Its like saying kobe was only a rapist And not a basketball player
Lol amazing lecture. Just watched it with my roommate with breakfast.. Buying your book asap. Youre my role model, a funny, ethical entrepreneur, and social activist.
There is absolutely no super highway, interstate or parkway that goes through the neighborhoods of Hempstead and Uniondale...Both African-American neighborhoods...
Both on Long Island...
Long Island Expressway went right through white wealthy Old Westbury
Excellent! Absolutely riveting presentation. Thanks for sharing.
There is absolutely no super highway, interstate or parkway that goes through the neighborhoods of Hempstead and Uniondale...Both African-American neighborhoods...
Both on Long Island...
Long Island Expressway went right through white wealthy Old Westbury
So cool. I learned a lot watching this.
Oo
Fantastic presentation.
One of the best things Robert Moses did was Orchard Beach in the Bronx. He had the original beach by that name landfilled (it was in Pelham Bay, between Rodman's Neck and Hunter Island) and had the new beach built on the east side, by Long Island Sound. Everyone in the Bronx had the chance to go to a beach close to home after that (though before the highways it would be a long trip for some people). With the original beach, a group of people somehow got together and decided to form a beach colony and keep out anyone that they didn't want there (I'm guessing black people, Hispanics, Italians, Irish, and anyone else in the Bronx who wasn't WASP). They had a lot of nerve, and deserved to have RM kick them all out.
Other people, however, didn't deserve that fate when it happened to them, like when the city wanted a new opera house. (I love 19thc architecture, and in my opinion, the old opera house was a lot more attractive.)
And the fate of Penn Station makes me want to cry.
That was a good one Jason, we really enjoyed it.
There is absolutely no super highway, interstate or parkway that goes through the neighborhoods of Hempstead and Uniondale...Both African-American neighborhoods...
Both on Long Island...
Long Island Expressway went right through white wealthy Old Westbury
"You tell me 'Jane Jacobs has won,' I'll show you mass transit that is literally crumbling before our very eyes". I live in Mexico City, where just a few weeks ago a subway overpass collapsed, resulting in several deaths and severe injuries. This specific subway line has had issues since day one. It was built in a hurry by the local government and by a businessman that I would describe to New Yorkers as a mix between Robert Moses and Rudy Giuliani.
So yeah, that one hit home.
Wow. I didnt know any of this. Too bad a lot of us think this way in 2016...
There is absolutely no super highway, interstate or parkway that goes through the neighborhoods of Hempstead and Uniondale...Both African-American neighborhoods...
Both on Long Island...
Long Island Expressway went right through white wealthy Old Westbury
“... to manipulate and stretch the law to his own purposes.”
AllMeat, no filler
$150biillion spent, the result: a population Decrease of 700,000 .
R. Moses, destroyer of cities.
So instead of a dedicated highway, Lower Manhattan has gridlock all day long.
If you believe a "dedicated highway" is the answer to gridlock, I suggest to try to traverse the Cross Bronx Expressway or the Long Island Expressway. A Lower Manhattan Highway would have eliminated most of Soho and done nothing to ease congestion. Instead, we'd just have an eyesore highway running thru the cast iron district. The way to address gricklock downtown is to improve mass transit and transpo alternatives so there are less of them occupying the same amount of space.
There is absolutely no super highway, interstate or parkway that goes through the neighborhoods of Hempstead and Uniondale...Both African-American neighborhoods...
Both on Long Island...
Long Island Expressway went right through white wealthy Old Westbury
Southern state parkway?
@@TheOneArmedViolinist
Maps says it goes around
When the southern state was built it went through farms and not cities or towns
There is time for you to research this topic
@@arthurallenbrown1305 Drive the road. Exit 21- uniondale. Exit 19- Hempstead lake. You live here dude?
@@TheOneArmedViolinist
Yes, I live there but when the road was built there were farms there
Try to do a little deep research don’t be shallow
@@arthurallenbrown1305 having worked in uniondale, i know exit 21.
Also, you surely know there are only 2 cities on long island, right? So no, no parkway on LI- or expressway- runs through a city on LI..
Bonus- name the 2 cities on long island
All Moses's fault, eh? What about the Democrats all up and down city and state government who enabled him?
Casting Robert Moses as "the devil" seems both naive and over-simplistic. Mr. Haber chooses a two hundred year old example of "great urban planning" (the Erie Canal), when New York City had a population of 123,000 people, to show a "success" and then proceeds to equate what Robert Moses did for (or in Haber's opinion "to") the city in the 20th Century as equivalent to the evils of the Great Depression. It is quite true that Moses' projects did not increase the population of NYC 10-fold
(as he purports the Erie Canal did), but may one ask, "Are Moses' projects to be blamed for this decrease?" If one looks (for instance) at the once thriving City of St. Louis, Mo in the 20th Century,
it population peaked at roughly 856,000 in 1950. Today it hovers barely above 300,000. Was St. Louis' decline the result of dictatorial urban planning, or were there perhaps other factors?
Critics of Moses tend to propose a simplistic opposition between Roads/Cars = bad with trains/buses = good. Well now with the electric car I'm afraid Mr. Haber and his colleagues will have to rethink their strategy. It's quite true Moses ALWAYS favored the car over mass transit; for the very simple reason that he knew he could charge TOLLS to individual motorists and fund his building projects. Subways, Trains, Buses BY DEFINITION are always MONEY LOSERS. If your local public transit was run by private corporations you'd find trains, buses, subways, etc. CANCELLED--as the Airlines now regularly do and strand folks without a thought. So Moses (inevitably) always tried to build large projects to generate self-sustaining revenue. And he did throw in quite a few parks and beaches at the same time. If you want a true "dictator" who totally had everyone in his thrall I suggest you take a look at J. Edgar Hoover: the F.B.I. was his personal domain and I would suggest he did a lot more real harm than anything of which you can accuse Robert Moses.
Robert Moses was essentially "racist" against anyone who could not pay their own way. And to blame him for the evils of racial discrimination when you had the likes of Fred Trump taking Federal money and not renting to minorities at the same time seems incredibly short-sighted. Jane Jacobs stopped Robert Moses--but if she'd managed to STOP FRED TRUMP then maybe all of us alive (and the half a million unnecessary dead Americans) might be SIGNIFICANTLY better off today, don't you think?!?!?!?!?!?!?
What half a million Americans? Brandon hasn’t done way worse
Good story. Imagine how 2000’s NYC would look without Moses. Mostly like 1800’s NYC. Quit crying.
He did do a lot of good (like in the Bronx) but there were times when he went too far. He wasn't all wrong, but like a lot of powerful people, he misused that power. And not enough people were brave like Jane Jacobs and stood up to him.
Did you not watch the whole video? He addresses this specific idea.
It would be amazing to have nyc without the highways. Are you afraid of the Subway? Need mommy to drive you around? Stop being a liberal snowflake
@@luciafalce9478 : while JJ had great ideas at the micro/neighborhood level, how do you tie together a megalopolis?
And a mega city like NY , built on islands and peninsulas needs bridges and highways.
No bridges or tunnels to the mainland. An you imagine the traffic
This lecture is very skewed to support the speaker. It is full of inaccuracies. It is misleading for the listeners, and especially his college students. Disappointing.
i agree, especially the buses to jones beach myth smh
I mean i don't think there were public buses in the early 1920s that would run from NYC to Jones Beach, let alone could most afford it white or black...
in what way? Please explain
My god this is a horribly modernist take . Do some opposing research
what did he get wrong?
@@Nutter-l3s cair question. How does progress happen? By letting non doctors, engineers, and architects tell you design and build shit? Bad idea
@@TheOneArmedViolinist Robert Moses had a Ph.D. in political science. So he was not an engineer or an architect. Regardless, not all architects agree and not all urban planners agree. I think its pretty fair to say Robert Moses ideas were horrible in the long run. Having millions of people drive into a city is not practical due to space needed to accommodate that many vehicles. LA has horrible traffic for a reason.... Also, cities that try their best to accommodate cars, like Moses wanted, end up turning into giant parking lots. Look at Newark, Baltimore, Cleveland, Buffalo, and Kansas City. These are all cities that destroyed their downtown in order to build highways and parking lots. Now look at them..... Much of their history and population is gone.
@@Nutter-l3s : your conclusions are not based on facts. Buffalos problems were based on industrial economics.
How do you build an 18m+ mega city?
The car is here to stay.
@@louisyeostros4978 The cities I mentioned (including Buffalo) all faced economic hardships. They turned to the 60s era policy of "Urban Renewal" to rebrand their cities. This involved destroying much of the historic downtown to make way for parking lots and highways. That's why Buffalo has lots of parking, but not a lot of residents! New York dabbled a bit in the "Urban Renewal" nonsense. Hopefully the new generation can learn from the mistakes of the past. Cars will always be needed, but great cities need more than just cars.