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So there is no reason to buying a new Toyota. Reliability is their only selling point. Compared to european cars they are uglier and boring, and also less fuel efficient, especially the Diesel ones. And in terms of safety, best placed brands all European. Extinct SAAB was the absolute leader, and Volvo had a second place. Some not-so-luxury brands have also a good record on it like Renault, Volkswagen and Peugeot.
I would take my mom's 1973 Ford F-100 trailer special with it's 390CID V-8 and 3-speed auto that got 17mpg on the highway and 17mpg in town. As for the new stuff on you tube you might be able to find it it's a smart car doing I want to say 120mph to simulate a head on with another car doing 60mpg. They said you would be there but you would be turned into a flesh bag full of red ooze, the passenger compartment was reduced to I want to say 12" .
I agree. Had a 2019 Jeep Compass come in the shop with a check engine light. Had to go to the dealer, Ended up being a trans module problem. Also Jeep would not warranty it.
California has a program where the state will buy a car that does not pass emissions testing. My '84 Chevy Citation had electronic problems that were difficult to find, and would have cost a lot to repair. I sold it to the state for $1500 under the program, and they scrapped it. Later, my '89 Chrysler needed new catalytic converters, which would have cost a lot, so I sold it under the same program.
I've never owned a car that was less than 10 years old at the time i bought it. I now have a 30 year old Honda, and a 19 year old Ford. Despite having to regularly maintain these vehicles, i have much more faith in them than their newer counterparts. A big factor of that faith is the fact that i can work on them with standard tools, and they are simple enough to work on and diagnose.
I have always bought used cars 4 or 5 years old since the early seventys I then take them to my mecanic or back then to the high school mecanic class to see what I have got then change all fluids and needed repairs . I have found that you can keep putting parts on them and if never comes close to the price of a new car. I have a 2008 Honda element that I have had for 7 years needs some suspension work right now I will fix it and keep on driving it. A new Honda pilot is 40 thou I am no were near that
Sad to say but the car reliability peaked in the mid '90s and ended the mid 2000's. Everything since then has focused more on technology and gas mileage instead of durability.
Most of it is attributed to regulations forcing them to design cars with better gas mileage at the expense of reliability. Nowadays everything has a Turbo
Yeah when they say cars today are built better I believe it but think more about cars built in the 2000's as I assume that's when the difference was noticed. Cars today are built as well but just have too much software and technology that makes them really hard and expensive to repair.
@@muddyriverdogzthey are still made cheap. Or have a lot of horrible models. Of course there are some great examples but I think most of them won’t make it till 2045
People keep cars longer because they are much more expensive to buy new. A new cars body and engine may last 200k but everything else on the car will fail. The more complicated your car, the worse your experience will be.
The electronics are the biggest problem from what I've experienced. Some sensors and/or modules disabling a vehicle, instead of reverting to a default mechanical function, is wasteful, time consuming, and can be frustrating (and dangerous if they leave you stranded), plus the problems with corrosion and grounding. Ease of access is the next biggest problem, can make what should be simple repairs a nightmare, and in some cases the additional parts and gaskets required can be expensive even if you do it yourself.
There were also emission stuff that forces the owner to fix or they go into low power mode and throws multiple codes which made troubleshooting super confusing.
They are. I have a 99 civic with 300000 miles. Everything is original except the brakes. My 2016 Honda CR-V has been in for a new tranny, an electrical issue that shuts the AC off, abs issues, window motor, rear hatch wouldn't unlock. I'll keep it but it's been as reliable as my 2017 Chevy 1500. Also have a mercury marauder where I've only had to do basic maintenance and a new tranny at 230000. Old cars are better in my experience. Next purchase I want a 95-6 Toyota 4runner
I find older cars look way way to much alike. I can tell the difference between cars today. Cars from the 70s thru 90s look all the same based on the decade.
They look alike because most car brands own a share in each other brand. Look at Subaru Nissan parts in some Subarus because they owned a share Subaru is technically a part of Toyota Motors now and some of their cars look the same now.
Yes , it's built in obsolescence. Glad to have my primitive 1980 Ford F-150 with an inline 6 cylinder. Maybe I can get another 42 years of use from it !!
Where car manufacturers deliberately shorten the lifespan of certain car parts and intentionally design their cars to be unreliable, meaning they make more money and their profit margins are boosted, all at the expense of the consumer.
As one famous person once quoted>>> "The more bells and whistles on a vehicle, the more there is to break down, the more inconvenience to you and the more money you keep pumping into it to maintain/repair it"!
All regular maintenance items should be easy to access and simple to service, repair, or replace. You should not have to pull an engine just to replace a water pump. Complex, expensive design doesn't have to result in complex, expensive upkeep.
Scotty is dead-on, this new junk is exactly that, as an engineer I know what design life is, and all new junk has a design life and ... it's becoming shorter and shorter as time passes. It's why I drive the old reliable and fixable stuff, and why Scotty does also ....
I just rebuilt the engine on my 05 Mountaineer at 240k... It is nice to have a vehicle that I can do 90% of the repairs on. I wish some of the auto manufacturers would go back to making a stripped down vehicle with a solid engine/trans and without the bells and whistles... I am even OK with hand crank windows. It seems that they intentionally withhold them from the US market so that they can "steer" you into buying the more expensive accessory rich models for lack of any other option. I can do without lane assist, electronic parking brakes, push button ignition, and infotainment systems.
Same here. 1992 accord ex (Japanese. Built) over 400k miles still gets over 30 mpg passes california emissions standards. Average life expectancy of the 1992 accord ex is 500k miles. There will never be cars built with this quality ever again
Having lived in Canada all my life, fuel injection has been the greatest improvement for me. Quicker warmups, smoother accelleration, and less problems at altitude all make for a more pleasureable driving experience. Also ABS braking along with improved tires makes winter driving a little less stressful.
@@jeremyjeremy8795 I am at an age where I drove in snow / ice without abs and snow tires for more than 35 years. I survived because I lived in a prairie city (Winnipeg) and learned young the hard way to watch my car lengths from the car in front of me. I now have lived in BC for 15 plus years and run snow flake branded tires. My area has lots of Ice but not much heavy snow. On mountain roads driving for conditions is everything. That being said I have on occasion driven icy mountain roads at over 100 kms/hr but I make a point not to tailgate and use speed to get distance for myself from slow drivers who often appear terrified. I found that momentum is king in heavy snow and braking in it is usually done by backing off the gas and letting the snow brake me. I am not a skier and going to ski hills on a regular basis would be a challenge that would probably entice me to get studded snow tires. Snow with ice under it is a killer. You must be a faster driver than my old age reflexes allow me to be. Good advice given to me was that if good snow tires save you from one accident then they have paid for themselves.
I felt so old the other day. I got a 2021 Honda Insight as a loaner car while mine was in the shop being repaired. It was way too technologically advanced for me. Took me even a good minute or two to figure out how to get the car in reverse.
@@crow_2k11beatsbydre8 : Modern in a sense to have electronic parking brake? Those switches do go bad in cold weather. Modern in a sense to have TPMS, just another thing to take care of!
My brother, a mechanical engineer confirms some of what Scotty is saying. According to my brother, “we used to design cars to last in definitely, now we design the parts to last only a certain number of miles.”
The problem is that if you had a car designed to last say 35 years it would be extremely expensive for the initial purchase and also require overhaul at some point so it's really a question of economics.
@@polla2256 My son’s 1968 a galaxy was designed to last in definitely and it sold new for $3000, so in other words, making a car last longer doesn’t cost that much more, the company saves maybe 800 per car by using cheap materials, which is a lot of money, or a little money depending how you look at it
New car tech is for drivers who are busy with everything but watching the road. My 94 Cherokee and 84 Ram are still on the road because I work on them myself.
Our family owned three 1960 Buicks over the years and they easily achieved almost 200,000 miles with no problems before we sold them to new owners. The many Buicks we owned through the 1976 model year were reliable and comfortable.
Really hard to be stranded in an old carbureted, points/coil ignition car. Almost always you could spot the problem and cobble it together long enough to get somewhere. Nowadays a car stops running and if you don't have a $1000 scan tool with you ...you won't have any idea why it stopped running.
Im thinking of restoring an early 90's corolla and keeping it all my life. Id rather have a quality old corolla than one of those new money pit disposable cars.
I owned 2 audis from 1995, one with 435k before I sold it and the other has 354 before I parked it (when it hits 30 it will become a "veteran" in my country, which means it'll be cheaper insurance and tax) all in all I drove them for around 100k, one problem was a heater that started leaking one the first one, the second one burned an ignition coil.
The problems with reliability with modern cars, is complexity of the system. The more complex the system, the higher probability to break. A integrated systems, creates a single point of failure. That is why simple independent systems can last a long time and when one system breaks, it does not effect the other systems.
I drove a 99 corolla when I first had my driver's license. I had it for a year and I never crashed into anything. Then I gave the car to my mother and bought myself a 2021 corolla hatchback and I hit another car just after 2 months of owning it because admittedly I was a little careless and I was relying on the back up camera to park. And I messed up the fender and rear bumper. NEVER trust ANY safety feature on a car. The best safety feature in a car is a good and conscious driver.
2:45 Multi purpose LCD screens are a far more DANGEROUS DISTRACTION than texting because they demand just as much if not more attention than texting. Climate control, for one, should always be an easy to reach knob that can be easily adjusted while driving. Yet, it is perfectly legal to fumble through the display while driving.
We have people now with two cellphones stuck to their windshields, sometimes playing CNN or whatever. Just turning a radio knob feels slightly distracting to me. I try to limit conversation as well. Not joking and I'm not old either.
I'm on borrowed time with both my stove and refrigerator. Of course, now that I said that they will probably both take a giant crap. Well, there goes Christmas!
my electric GE range was made in 1956 , it is used everyday. my extra frig in the basement was made in 1952 it has some rust , even thou it uses more watts when running, it cycles ON many times less per day compared to a new one.
i think they tested the materials and were honest about it. The Honda velour fabrics were good and more importantly comfortable. Now there is no velour and we lose that comfort for our bodies. Plus they are not as long lasting. Its a shame.
Back in the day, the `70's, I drove full size Ford & Mercury Tanks. They were very reliable & didn't have all the sensors & electronics of today's cars. Heck, my parents still have & use the Whirlpool washer/ dryer set they bought in 1974.
@@NIKDYNESPIM a petrol car sitting in a field for decades doesn't require $10k worth of digital electronics the manufacturer conveniently says are no longer available.
It would have been interesting to see Dollar cost averaging. My 1972 Chevelle cost $2,000 and lasted 9 years. A $25,000 car today would need to last about 100 years !!!
well, the average family income in 1972 is about $11000 with car price around $3500. while 2021 is averaging $100,000 for income and $45000 for car price. Which means the cars are about 28% more expensive in terms of price / income ratio. If a 1972 car lasted 9 years, its about right that car today lasted about 12 or so years.
@@ctsealteam6 The national median family income for the United States for FY 2021 is $79,900....Stressing that is an entire families income NOT a single person.
@@muddyriverdogz Thank you for correcting me on the number. somehow I got that number wrong for 2021. However, the point still stand. You would argue that we got less car lifespan per dollar nowadays. Though surely not as dramatic as OP initially suggested.
@@ctsealteam6 You definetly will on the hybrids and EV's. The gas engines made by Toyota and Honda are very good capable of 500,000 and more if properly maintained.
What car is that cheap? I wanted to buy a new Toyota, but then I found out they are priced the same as a Lexus! Anyways! Just because the 2 cars you pick both have 4 tires. It doesn't mean that they are the same. Did the 1970's car have power windows? Could you start it without a key? What kind of brakes did it have? What kind of lights did it have? Could the car stop itself? Did it have navigation? Did it have power locks? Power windows? Bluetooth? I wonder, what would a car equipped exactly the same as a 1970's chevelle cost? I know it's not 100% possible, but how close could we get?
If you mean reliability by capacity to fix without those high tech tools and be able to keep your car working without spending enough money to buy a new one to fix it, turns out older carburated cars are way more relyable.
Many years ago I had an old friend who lamented the fact cars now have electronic ignition systems and fuel injection. His reasoning was that if he came out of a store and his car will turn over but wouldn’t start, he could just simply hop out with a couple of hand tools and adjust the points in his car and then off you go. My response was if you had a car with electronic ignition and fuel injection, the car would’ve started and you would’ve went off without the problem in the first place. Cars are much better today than they have ever been, and like Scotty said, it was a really big deal back in the 1970s if you got a car to make it to 100,000 miles. Now it is an every day thing.
Still have to say the old ones were made better, had a 85 blazer that never broke and what little that did was so easy to repair. Just had to make sure your paint stayed good because yes they would rust
@@captinbeyond today I have a 16 year old Toyota Matrix hatchback. Great car. No touch screen to break, it has 150,000 miles. Zero oil burning, it’s nice to own a reliable car
Old cars didn't last as long, but you could rebuild everything on them which makes the first claim invalid. Imagine rebuilding the engine and tranny on a new BMW lmao.
Good afternoon Scotty, I Bought a 2000 Ford Ranger brand new and mechanically it's still going strong. Most of the plastic parts have broken down and the rear side doors won't open because of plastic failure. The paint is almost gone, the transmission needs some adjustment but still drives OK. The 3.0L V6 has never given me much trouble. The truck now has 367,000 miles on it.
Well that's 'cause it's a truck Ford knows people relyed on them for their businesses otherwise they would buy Toyotas even more , however now the new purpose is to compensate for d!ck size, you can tell especially when the truck is a late model (post 2014) and is all shiny which means it's probaly leased! 😂
Today's cars are more reliable, but the older cars were easier for the average person to work on with a nice set of tools. Today's cars you need to be an engineer with a computer just to figure out what's wrong with the vehicle and depending on the quality of your scan tool, you still might not know what's wrong. Love your video's Scotty. They are very informative.
ABS is one of the few safety features that does need to be mandated in my opinion. The percentage of accidents it prevents is astronomically higher than something like lane assist systems. As long as you have the option to disable it, I don't mind.
When I drive my wife's 2019 honda odyssey and I absolutely hate the cruise control distances and avoidance systems. It has almost caused me to get in a accident when someone moves in your lane on the highway it slams on the brakes even when you have the distance set to its closest setting. . it made me go from 75mph to 45mph just because someone switched lanes going the same speed. because people were merging and it freaks out on curves as well. I hate the feel of drive by wire there is so much lag in the gas and steering then the brakes applies more brake pressure with out your input. I much prefer driving my 2000 Silverado 1500 but it is crazy how the van has almost the same power as my 5.3l
Had the same issue on my TLX and RDX. I ended up holding one of the cruise control buttons for a few seconds and it switched over to the standard cruise control setting. It surprisingly made my long drives much more relaxing.
AMEN!! The anti-lane departure control feature on a rental 2020-21 Camry almost got me into a wreck! I tried to swerve into an empty lane order to not hit a vehicle that had suddenly stopped in front of me, needless to say the lane departure feature was not having it! I had to think quick and jam on the brakes even harder as i had expected to avoid the whole scenario. Thankfully there was still time and distance enough for me to miss. Took me two days to figure out how to deactivate that feature! What a joke!
FYI the insurance industry was most responsible for the seat belt laws. Not having people thrown out of cars saved them millions in insurance payments.
Mary , it is commonsense. 'All' vehicular safety issues have been driven by Insurance Association pressures. Consumers are impotent dealing with the mega car corporations.
You'll want to get rid of your car today because the cost of repair is far higher than it was in the past. The repair is far more difficult, requires more tools and special equipment, and the cost of the parts is far higher and there are many more of them.
people are critical about transmissions because many people dont realize that it is absolutely critical to drain and refill your transmission fluid every 30k miles, especially in Hondas. I work at a Honda dealership and Ive seen people put this service off for 50k miles or more, and then blame their shifting problems on CVT design.
I understand the maintenance required of the cvt. I change the cvt fluid in my 2015 civic every 30,000 miles. I still prefer a regular automatic transmission because it’s requires MUCH LESS maintenance ( fluid changes )
My daily is a 1975 Chrysler Cordoba. The interior looks like it did when it was on the showroom floor. With exception to a couple of rusty body panels I would say it's all in how you take care of the older ones as to their reliability.
I have a 1967 Chev Caprice 4 dr. hardtop. I'll put it up against any of these "new" models any day. It has NO computer, (I'm the computer) doesn't use a lot of plastic stuff, I can still change my own oil, lube it, clean the air filter, and on and on, etc., etc., etc.! It's got over 300,000 miles on it. I wouldn't trade it for anything! So there.
I still love old cars. My 1998 Peugeot 306 still drives like a dream. I only do maintenance without serious repairs. My 2000 model Mercedes Benz E320 w210 avantgarde is still in immaculate condition. I will only buy new cars when they are about 10 years old and upwards.
GM seems to mess up one thing for everything they improve. My current Sierra doesn't have the problems I had with my old Silverado, but it has _different_ problems the old one never had. I've had the transmission rebuilt and the AC condenser replaced on the newer one, which I hear are super common problems for the K2XX trucks. The old one had leaks, corrosion, and anti-lock problems that were common to all the GMT800 trucks, but the transmission lasted 170,000 miles and the AC never had to be touched.
Cars got better and better and reached their peak between the late 1990's till mid 2000's, afterwards they overall were getting worse and worse in quality.
The primary failure mode is now complicated electronics. Electronics for fuel efficiency and safety are good. Electronics for the sake of having Electronics is the problem. Why does Porsche need a computer chip in the headlights? It just made that headlight $2000.00. This kind of stuff will total out a car.
Scotty - probably one of your best non-biased review of the car industry to date. You are right on point with the topics in this video (thou I do disagree with the high ranking that the Koreans cars got. After the engine fiasco they still have allot to prove).
Modern cars give people anxiety if they know that a curtain high tech part has a higher chance of failing, or are outraged if a trunk latch costs hundreds of dollars. Contrast that to older cars that might have a fiew issues realated to their age but mainly there is less to go wrong and parts are generally cheap. And for those who like to do their own maintenance, older cars can be diagnosed and repaired without complex gadgets and softwares.
Great video! When buying a new car, leave of the gee-whiz stuff and only by the basics! Less tech = less headaches! My present car, no power seats, back up screen, cruise control, etc., plus, its a diesel, so, no ignition system to worry about. So far, worn out brakes and shocks, easy fix!
I own a seat leon from 2001, 1.9 Tdi, yes, the Alh version. 400k kilometers and the engine has 0 problems, no oil spillage, no big consumption. Now if you take a 2021 seat leon and put it to work for 20 years, yeah, not gonna happen.
The americans dont know what Seat is lol.. Only us from Europe.... Like last time i wrote a coment how now we have a toyota camry in Europe... And USA coments were shocked how we didnt have the camry... In the USA is like number 1 sold car forever 🤣
Excellent Video, and very accurate! I bought a LOADED 2021 truck (brand withheld) and the infotainment and electronics systems are absolutely terrible! Failure after failure, and the dealer can't fix any of it. While I love technology and new gadgets, things have to work. If reliability is going to suffer massively, then a manufacturer should hold off until they have it right.
My daily winter car here in Alaska is a 1983 Mercedes Turbo Diesel, my Sumer car is a 1980 Mercedes Turbo Diesel, they are forever cars if you take care of them…..
This has to be my favorite SK video, among a wide field of contenders. I especially like the "Scotty Kilmer for Adults" format. Lots of info that I was unaware of or didn't take the time to think about. As Johnny Carson used to say, " I did not know that".
I think the lifespans you mentioned are incorrect. In the 1970’s, I bought several cars that were 10 years old, drove them for years, and sold them to other drivers
Still driving a 94 Tercel with crank windows, 94 Caravan, The caravan is a tank. No abs, simple. Had a 76 delta 88 where the window glass was twice as thick as this new stuff and a beefy frame. . got 200k out of it. I don't need a new car having a motor to close the rear hatch. Don't need doors that lock automatically. What a stupid idea. Had a villager you go start on a cold day, and shut the door, and your keys running just got locked in the car running. Had a 80 bonneville with 220k. No sensors all over the place. No automatic crap features the better.
I got a '85 Chevy s10 pickup I've been using to get to work and back. Easy to work on and reliable. Not to mention my side project a '69 GTO. i still prefer older vehicles for everything especially looks and style. Newer vehicles just don't do it for me
Good news, the cars are lasting longer. Unfortunately for me, I don't like new cars, at all. I replace windshields and auto glass, and drive customers' cars all the time. In newer cars, I feel claustrophobic, smothered, unable to see, feel, sense anything around me. It's just the overall, general feel of the cars, which are largely SUVs anymore. They make me feel as if I were driving around in overstuffed pillows. The last, best car I drove was a '92 Accord. I don't like cars from about 2003 on.
Agreed newest car I own is an 03 the last decade to own an domestic car was the mid 00's to late 00's. Aside from certain models like hellcats,etc. The rest of modern day cars are junk. I see more modern day cars in junkyard now then cars from the late 90's and back.
Agreed, I sold my newer plastic car for an 03 Camry which I can SEE out of when reversing… “but back up camera” you say? No thank you, that’s what eyes and mirrors are for.
Cars are coming loaded with safety tech, while the skill, consideration and driving knowledge of many of today's drivers is deteriorating more than ever before. Drive defensively!
You are asking me to drive defensively around a Nissan Versa with Matilda driving? Ever seen Revenge of the Nerds when they were being driven to the college? I can't drive with that out of my way.
Depending on the design of the car, some have the screen down below and others have it up high. You can't look down while your driving. Another problem with infotainment systems, is that some are too complicated. It would be better if the air controls were separate. Also, automakers let them get obsolete because they don't update them leaving customers with outdated system. For example, if you have older Toyota (before 2018) it doesn't have Android Auto and Toyota isn't offering to update it.
I have a 2014 Toyota Camry LE. It has a big screen, (not sure maybe 8 inches?) touch screen for everything. Though really, it is kinda useless. There is no backup camera. (Really?) It does have blue tooth, and pairs to my phone great, but you can't lets say park and send a TH-cam video to the screen. I tend to park and wait in my car a while here and there, get drive through, etc and would be nice to watch a 20 minute video or so not on my phone. So this nice screen, and not much I can actually do with it. I think I will save up and buy a new Android Auto to upgrade it, but will still need to buy a good backup camera to install with it.
I have a car from 1969 with 700k km on the odometer, and I know that's been rolled back but who knows by how much. At least 1 million km on it. Nothing ever breaks on it, it's less rusty than cars that are 5 years old. Only major thing done do it is a engine "rebuild" at home, all it needed was new sleeves, pistons, rings, bearings, gaskets for 250€ total. Original owner drove it since new till 2018, I've daily driven it since as well.
It just really boils down to how well you take care of the car most older cars can last 50 or more years depending on who owned the car and how much maintenance it recieved
No necessarily - some cars just fall part even with good routine maintenance due to many factors - how well its designed to production (which includes quality control).
Often times it’s not a mechanical failure, but an emissions related failure that puts the car in a junk yard. An old diesel with no electronics can run basically forever
the new aren't lasting 'longer', it's just the well made stuff from up to 2000 skewing the stats. The plastic in the newish designs leads to early change to another vehicle, while the well-made earlier units soldier on. Now, I must go change some bushings in the LF control arm of my VW Golf. from 1987.
Back in the day. In the 50's, 60's, & early 70's. If you bought an appliance, TV's, etc. If those things lasted 20 years before they broke down. They were considered junk. Today those same appliances would be considered good.
3 big ones I remember from a MOTOR OFFICER 30 years ago... 1) Be aware of the road 20-30 seconds ahead of you , as in not rear-ending slowing traffic ahead of you 2) ALWAYS HAVE AN "OUT" ALWAYS BE SCANNING. As in knowing if car is near you in case you have to swerve to avoid an accident. 3) If speeding , do not be the Lone Ranger.
Have at 98 Honda Prelude with 433,000 miles, burns some oil but runs perfectly. Also 1st Gen Toyota Tundra with 130,000. Keeping both until they become unfix-able.
It’s me thing I always questioned was how many CEOs or higher level management at these car manufacturers actually drive the cars they produce everyday. Seems to me that they could learn a thing or two about the automobiles they sell if they drive them everyday like the rest of their consumers.
It's all about the sales, and getting people sucked into these long term, never ending vehicle contracts. If you buy a new car and drive it 6 years it is time to trade it in on another new car! These cars, especially with inflation are not worth their sticker price, way higher than MSRP in 2021.
It’s always been about the sales. Of that I have no doubt. I’m also sure of them using less reliable parts or parts that intentionally fail after a designated period of time so that you do have to go buy a new car after a few years of owning it. Maybe they even skimp a little in quality control. Not even the best car ever made is designed to last forever though. Not to mention the sale of said vehicle doesn’t make car manufacturers as much money as the parts they sell to fix them when problems inevitably arise. I’m thinking though that if these CEOs or executives actually drive the cars they produce just like everyone else they sell them to at least they could put out a better product than what they currently are.
During the development of the Lexus LC, the head of the group was pretty involved. The LC has turned out to be one of the best grand tourers ever so they definitely should be involved.
A well thought out and well presented argument, Scotty. I agree with you. Cars are probably better (safer) but drivers are becoming less skilled with all the modern safety features, like self parallel parking and lane keeping. So it's like everything, some good, some bad with advanced technology.
News for you Scotty. I had a 72 Ford Grand Torino Sport that I drove for 270,000 miles with only (1) water pump change. I bought that car from an elderly lady and she drove off the lot new in 72. Sold it to me with 108,679 miles on it. No matter what the year, drive em right and they will last.
I like how you point out that there are SO many factors that play in to "reliability", and how you can really measure it (or not). Old cars, from having had them, could be very reliable but there was a catch - it required a LOT more attention. You had to keep on an old car with maintenance and repairs, whereas with new cars, they seem to take owner apathy (or sometimes just zero-car-knowledge) into account and go longer without servicing. Warranties are longer too. A fun example was back in the 1950s when Ford released the second generation Lincoln Continental, the car was SO well built that Ford confidently put a 12,000 mile / 1 year warranty on it. Imagine if you saw a car on sale today with a warranty like that!
Ill take my simple rugged and overall reliable 1994 Chevy pickup. Even if the weakest part is the transmission. It'll still last 200k+ miles. Then even if I need a new transmission its still way cheaper and easier overall in the long run because of the trucks simplicity and long lasting design.
I miss the solid metal door handles on my '85.5 Mitsubishi Cordia-LS. Sure beats the plastic door handles on my '95 Eagle Talon that I replace every 5 years! And it was also fun rebuilding the carburetor with a cam-driven mechanical fuel pump!!!
An lcd panel is the same thing as playing a video game while driving. They are killing people, and all auto manufacturers should be sued in a class action suit for knowingly manufacturing unsafe vehicles that have killed people.
Another problem the working class have is that they always want that shiny BMW or Mercedes, which is absolutely not to be maintained by a non-expert. If they were sensitive to their financial situation and bought what they needed, they'd start doing better. We all like nice stuff (guilty also), but we've got to be realistic about where we are in life.
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Kia's are cheap. I know I own one
So there is no reason to buying a new Toyota. Reliability is their only selling point. Compared to european cars they are uglier and boring, and also less fuel efficient, especially the Diesel ones. And in terms of safety, best placed brands all European. Extinct SAAB was the absolute leader, and Volvo had a second place. Some not-so-luxury brands have also a good record on it like Renault, Volkswagen and Peugeot.
I would take my mom's 1973 Ford F-100 trailer special with it's 390CID V-8 and 3-speed auto that got 17mpg on the highway and 17mpg in town. As for the new stuff on you tube you might be able to find it it's a smart car doing I want to say 120mph to simulate a head on with another car doing 60mpg. They said you would be there but you would be turned into a flesh bag full of red ooze, the passenger compartment was reduced to I want to say 12" .
Gone down faster than a cheap hooker.
The computer modules and screens in today's cars will probably be what takes them off the road as they become uneconomical to repair.
I agree. Had a 2019 Jeep Compass come in the shop with a check engine light. Had to go to the dealer, Ended up being a trans module problem. Also Jeep would not warranty it.
great user name - in excess of 5 rizlas in its construction or something :-)
California has a program where the state will buy a car that does not pass emissions testing. My '84 Chevy Citation had electronic problems that were difficult to find, and would have cost a lot to repair. I sold it to the state for $1500 under the program, and they scrapped it. Later, my '89 Chrysler needed new catalytic converters, which would have cost a lot, so I sold it under the same program.
@@garylangley4502 what happens when your 2018 whatever has a catalytic converter go out and the state doesn't buy it back?
@@adamsmith2683 Could happen but in my 53 years of driving I've never had a cat go bad.
I've never owned a car that was less than 10 years old at the time i bought it. I now have a 30 year old Honda, and a 19 year old Ford. Despite having to regularly maintain these vehicles, i have much more faith in them than their newer counterparts. A big factor of that faith is the fact that i can work on them with standard tools, and they are simple enough to work on and diagnose.
yes I wish old and simple Honda EFI was still in use today but the power was less back then so its give and take
My old grandma would not drive a 30 year old Honda.
My 2 cars right now are both 2003
Same
I have always bought used cars 4 or 5 years old since the early seventys I then take them to my mecanic or back then to the high school mecanic class to see what I have got then change all fluids and needed repairs . I have found that you can keep putting parts on them and if never comes close to the price of a new car. I have a 2008 Honda element that I have had for 7 years needs some suspension work right now I will fix it and keep on driving it. A new Honda pilot is 40 thou
I am no were near that
Sad to say but the car reliability peaked in the mid '90s and ended the mid 2000's. Everything since then has focused more on technology and gas mileage instead of durability.
Toyota's have been good depending on model into the 2010's and many still are. Honda also.
Most of it is attributed to regulations forcing them to design cars with better gas mileage at the expense of reliability. Nowadays everything has a Turbo
Mhm, since then cars became more complicated and more means, more things can go wrong 😉
Yeah when they say cars today are built better I believe it but think more about cars built in the 2000's as I assume that's when the difference was noticed. Cars today are built as well but just have too much software and technology that makes them really hard and expensive to repair.
@@muddyriverdogzthey are still made cheap. Or have a lot of horrible models.
Of course there are some great examples but I think most of them won’t make it till 2045
People keep cars longer because they are much more expensive to buy new. A new cars body and engine may last 200k but everything else on the car will fail. The more complicated your car, the worse your experience will be.
I agree. My parents paid off their house in 5 years in the 70's by working a ton of overtime. Today, most people are happy to make rent.
@@msnpassjan2004 Because rent is all they will ever be able to afford if they are lucky.
Fully loaded models with all the technology is the only way to go. Might as well enjoy driving.
@@rocketstool That is not driving. That just aiming the car as a passive participant
The electronics are the biggest problem from what I've experienced. Some sensors and/or modules disabling a vehicle, instead of reverting to a default mechanical function, is wasteful, time consuming, and can be frustrating (and dangerous if they leave you stranded), plus the problems with corrosion and grounding. Ease of access is the next biggest problem, can make what should be simple repairs a nightmare, and in some cases the additional parts and gaskets required can be expensive even if you do it yourself.
There were also emission stuff that forces the owner to fix or they go into low power mode and throws multiple codes which made troubleshooting super confusing.
Just wait until EVs take over you won't be able to do anything with those cars especially Tesla
Just had a 2023 Honda Passport become disabled because of a drained battery - unbelievable! - and needed to be jump started
I've always thought the Hondas and Toyotas built in the 90s are better than the ones built today.
My buddys still got his 99 civic hatch with the standard transmission on its still running like a champ today
they were... you won't see many 2000's - 2020's on the road in 2050; probably BMW i3, Tesla maybe... that's probably about it
They are. I have a 99 civic with 300000 miles. Everything is original except the brakes. My 2016 Honda CR-V has been in for a new tranny, an electrical issue that shuts the AC off, abs issues, window motor, rear hatch wouldn't unlock. I'll keep it but it's been as reliable as my 2017 Chevy 1500. Also have a mercury marauder where I've only had to do basic maintenance and a new tranny at 230000. Old cars are better in my experience.
Next purchase I want a 95-6 Toyota 4runner
Cars and trucks of the past had so much more style and the paint lasted a lot longer !!! Today most cars look alike !!!
True. My Benz needs a repaint. Any recommendations?
lol they don’t all look alike. They are not what you prefer just because you like vintage cars.
@@vintagetriplex3728 The overwhelming majority look alike, rolling appliances without distinguishing styling. (Crossovers)
I find older cars look way way to much alike. I can tell the difference between cars today. Cars from the 70s thru 90s look all the same based on the decade.
They look alike because most car brands own a share in each other brand. Look at Subaru
Nissan parts in some Subarus because they owned a share
Subaru is technically a part of Toyota Motors now and some of their cars look the same now.
Yes , it's built in obsolescence. Glad to have my primitive 1980 Ford F-150 with an inline 6 cylinder. Maybe I can get another 42 years of use from it !!
Where car manufacturers deliberately shorten the lifespan of certain car parts and intentionally design their cars to be unreliable, meaning they make more money and their profit margins are boosted, all at the expense of the consumer.
I read a book copyright '62 that was already identifying the move of manufacturers towards planned obsolescence
@@zelenskysboot361 It started with GM in the 1920's
@@zelenskysboot361 it's crazy how long economists have seen it coming... even karl marx predicted it, as a "crisis of overproduction"
Awesome brother
As one famous person once quoted>>> "The more bells and whistles on a vehicle, the more there is to break down, the more inconvenience to you and the more money you keep pumping into it to maintain/repair it"!
All regular maintenance items should be easy to access and simple to service, repair, or replace. You should not have to pull an engine just to replace a water pump. Complex, expensive design doesn't have to result in complex, expensive upkeep.
True - people who design the vehicles never actually work on vehicles, it all looks good on the 3D computer, but in real world its different story!
the first refrigerator I ever owned lasted 40 years, the second lasted 8, figure out current one will last 4...
truth! engineered obsolescence. sad times in many products.
My grand parient had a Frezer that lasted 50 years because it was in the basement in their house in Salt Lake City.
Scotty is dead-on, this new junk is exactly that, as an engineer I know what design life is, and all new junk has a design life and ... it's becoming shorter and shorter as time passes. It's why I drive the old reliable and fixable stuff, and why Scotty does also ....
Same here, !! Driving a 21 yr old Camry for that reason
I just rebuilt the engine on my 05 Mountaineer at 240k... It is nice to have a vehicle that I can do 90% of the repairs on. I wish some of the auto manufacturers would go back to making a stripped down vehicle with a solid engine/trans and without the bells and whistles... I am even OK with hand crank windows. It seems that they intentionally withhold them from the US market so that they can "steer" you into buying the more expensive accessory rich models for lack of any other option. I can do without lane assist, electronic parking brakes, push button ignition, and infotainment systems.
@@robc7323 more options=more things that can go wrong and break
Same here. 1992 accord ex (Japanese. Built) over 400k miles still gets over 30 mpg passes california emissions standards. Average life expectancy of the 1992 accord ex is 500k miles. There will never be cars built with this quality ever again
@@Drskopf still driving a 41 year old F-150 for the same reason. And looking for an even older one, 1975 to 1979.
Having lived in Canada all my life, fuel injection has been the greatest improvement for me. Quicker warmups, smoother accelleration, and less problems at altitude all make for a more pleasureable driving experience. Also ABS braking along with improved tires makes winter driving a little less stressful.
ABS sucks in the snow, massively lengthens stopping distance
@@jeremyjeremy8795 every system is unique. some are good. some are bad. for traction in snow I prefer manual traction control.
@@jeremyjeremy8795 I am at an age where I drove in snow / ice without abs and snow tires for more than 35 years. I survived because I lived in a prairie city (Winnipeg) and learned young the hard way to watch my car lengths from the car in front of me. I now have lived in BC for 15 plus years and run snow flake branded tires. My area has lots of Ice but not much heavy snow. On mountain roads driving for conditions is everything. That being said I have on occasion driven icy mountain roads at over 100 kms/hr but I make a point not to tailgate and use speed to get distance for myself from slow drivers who often appear terrified. I found that momentum is king in heavy snow and braking in it is usually done by backing off the gas and letting the snow brake me. I am not a skier and going to ski hills on a regular basis would be a challenge that would probably entice me to get studded snow tires. Snow with ice under it is a killer. You must be a faster driver than my old age reflexes allow me to be. Good advice given to me was that if good snow tires save you from one accident then they have paid for themselves.
Thank God Canada invented ice hockey.
Yup fuel injection over the carberated cars I drove in the early seventys alone makes a huge difference
Except of course my 69 charger rt
I felt so old the other day. I got a 2021 Honda Insight as a loaner car while mine was in the shop being repaired. It was way too technologically advanced for me. Took me even a good minute or two to figure out how to get the car in reverse.
@@crow_2k11beatsbydre8 : Modern in a sense to have electronic parking brake? Those switches do go bad in cold weather. Modern in a sense to have TPMS, just another thing to take care of!
I'm old, and so is my truck. Wishing everyone good luck with the new ones. 🤠
How old are you?
Lol. Edit: I’m “laughing out loud” ☺️
My brother, a mechanical engineer confirms some of what Scotty is saying. According to my brother, “we used to design cars to last in definitely, now we design the parts to last only a certain number of miles.”
The problem is that if you had a car designed to last say 35 years it would be extremely expensive for the initial purchase and also require overhaul at some point so it's really a question of economics.
@@polla2256 My son’s 1968 a galaxy was designed to last in definitely and it sold new for $3000, so in other words, making a car last longer doesn’t cost that much more, the company saves maybe 800 per car by using cheap materials, which is a lot of money, or a little money depending how you look at it
Did somebody fucked you in the head, so you have stayed retarded permanently???@@polla2256
New car tech is for drivers who are busy with everything but watching the road. My 94 Cherokee and 84 Ram are still on the road because I work on them myself.
Keep them running. It's worth it.
Excatly mate.
Our family owned three 1960 Buicks over the years and they easily achieved almost 200,000 miles with no problems before we sold them to new owners. The many Buicks we owned through the 1976 model year were reliable and comfortable.
@Bryan Carlson that’s because you bought great vehicles, and those older Buicks are great. Your family made great purchases
GM after 2002 is all garbo. Especially the new ones.
My dad was a Buick man back in the day.
Scotty, I love the new format of these informative pieces.
Really hard to be stranded in an old carbureted, points/coil ignition car. Almost always you could spot the problem and cobble it together long enough to get somewhere. Nowadays a car stops running and if you don't have a $1000 scan tool with you ...you won't have any idea why it stopped running.
Im thinking of restoring an early 90's corolla and keeping it all my life. Id rather have a quality old corolla than one of those new money pit disposable cars.
20 years ago was 2001. Driving a car with over 100,000 miles was not a "death sentence".
I got a 2001 and it still runs fine with 285,000.Also have a 1999 with 345,000 that is still going.
I owned 2 audis from 1995, one with 435k before I sold it and the other has 354 before I parked it (when it hits 30 it will become a "veteran" in my country, which means it'll be cheaper insurance and tax) all in all I drove them for around 100k, one problem was a heater that started leaking one the first one, the second one burned an ignition coil.
The problems with reliability with modern cars, is complexity of the system. The more complex the system, the higher probability to break. A integrated systems, creates a single point of failure. That is why simple independent systems can last a long time and when one system breaks, it does not effect the other systems.
I drove a 99 corolla when I first had my driver's license. I had it for a year and I never crashed into anything. Then I gave the car to my mother and bought myself a 2021 corolla hatchback and I hit another car just after 2 months of owning it because admittedly I was a little careless and I was relying on the back up camera to park. And I messed up the fender and rear bumper. NEVER trust ANY safety feature on a car. The best safety feature in a car is a good and conscious driver.
@Btunes A Exactly!
2:45 Multi purpose LCD screens are a far more DANGEROUS DISTRACTION than texting because they demand just as much if not more attention than texting. Climate control, for one, should always be an easy to reach knob that can be easily adjusted while driving. Yet, it is perfectly legal to fumble through the display while driving.
I agree, the tactile feedback that a knob or lever has, gives you the ability to adjust it without looking at it.
We have people now with two cellphones stuck to their windshields, sometimes playing CNN or whatever. Just turning a radio knob feels slightly distracting to me. I try to limit conversation as well. Not joking and I'm not old either.
@@trainluvr Drivers should be more responsible like you, thank you.
Truth my toaster and fridge are probably both 50 years old
I'm on borrowed time with both my stove and refrigerator. Of course, now that I said that they will probably both take a giant crap. Well, there goes Christmas!
my electric GE range was made in 1956 , it is used everyday. my extra frig in the basement was made in 1952 it has some rust , even thou it uses more watts when running, it cycles ON many times less per day compared to a new one.
My toaster is 39 years old, made in the U.S.A. my 1980 Ford F-150 was made in Louisville, Kentucky.
'97 Accord, interior is like new, just as Saint Scotty said.
i think they tested the materials and were honest about it. The Honda velour fabrics were good and more importantly comfortable. Now there is no velour and we lose that comfort for our bodies. Plus they are not as long lasting. Its a shame.
Back in the day, the `70's, I drove full size Ford & Mercury Tanks. They were very reliable & didn't have all the sensors & electronics of today's cars. Heck, my parents still have & use the Whirlpool washer/ dryer set they bought in 1974.
50 years from now is someone going to be able to start up and drive an electric car that's been sitting in a field for 30 years?, nope.
at least it will feed the rodents
Like u can start a petrol car without a battery…
@@NIKDYNESPIM a petrol car sitting in a field for decades doesn't require $10k worth of digital electronics the manufacturer conveniently says are no longer available.
Gasoline engines will become illegal.
Not everybody wants to drive a 20 year old car
It would have been interesting to see Dollar cost averaging. My 1972 Chevelle cost $2,000 and lasted 9 years. A $25,000 car today would need to last about 100 years !!!
well, the average family income in 1972 is about $11000 with car price around $3500. while 2021 is averaging $100,000 for income and $45000 for car price. Which means the cars are about 28% more expensive in terms of price / income ratio.
If a 1972 car lasted 9 years, its about right that car today lasted about 12 or so years.
@@ctsealteam6 The national median family income for the United States for FY 2021 is $79,900....Stressing that is an entire families income NOT a single person.
@@muddyriverdogz Thank you for correcting me on the number. somehow I got that number wrong for 2021. However, the point still stand. You would argue that we got less car lifespan per dollar nowadays. Though surely not as dramatic as OP initially suggested.
@@ctsealteam6 You definetly will on the hybrids and EV's. The gas engines made by Toyota and Honda are very good capable of 500,000 and more if properly maintained.
What car is that cheap? I wanted to buy a new Toyota, but then I found out they are priced the same as a Lexus! Anyways! Just because the 2 cars you pick both have 4 tires. It doesn't mean that they are the same. Did the 1970's car have power windows?
Could you start it without a key?
What kind of brakes did it have?
What kind of lights did it have?
Could the car stop itself?
Did it have navigation?
Did it have power locks?
Power windows?
Bluetooth?
I wonder, what would a car equipped exactly the same as a 1970's chevelle cost? I know it's not 100% possible, but how close could we get?
If you mean reliability by capacity to fix without those high tech tools and be able to keep your car working without spending enough money to buy a new one to fix it, turns out older carburated cars are way more relyable.
That is what it's shaping up to be
Many years ago I had an old friend who lamented the fact cars now have electronic ignition systems and fuel injection. His reasoning was that if he came out of a store and his car will turn over but wouldn’t start, he could just simply hop out with a couple of hand tools and adjust the points in his car and then off you go. My response was if you had a car with electronic ignition and fuel injection, the car would’ve started and you would’ve went off without the problem in the first place. Cars are much better today than they have ever been, and like Scotty said, it was a really big deal back in the 1970s if you got a car to make it to 100,000 miles. Now it is an every day thing.
Mid 80s to early 90s was prime vehicle manufacturing years
Still have to say the old ones were made better, had a 85 blazer that never broke and what little that did was so easy to repair. Just had to make sure your paint stayed good because yes they would rust
'89 Honda prelude I sold at the 500k mark.'05 Buick wasn't 4 yrs old when the motor was replaced
Yep gota 83 & 71.
@@zelenskysboot361 lol you could switch the years and the Honda is probably still lasting longer than the Buick
@@zelenskysboot361 my 97 prelude puts out 148 kw pretty good for a 25 yo 2.2l 4cyl engine
@@captinbeyond today I have a 16 year old Toyota Matrix hatchback. Great car. No touch screen to break, it has 150,000 miles. Zero oil burning, it’s nice to own a reliable car
Old cars didn't last as long, but you could rebuild everything on them which makes the first claim invalid. Imagine rebuilding the engine and tranny on a new BMW lmao.
Good afternoon Scotty, I Bought a 2000 Ford Ranger brand new and mechanically it's still going strong. Most of the plastic parts have broken down and the rear side doors won't open because of plastic failure. The paint is almost gone, the transmission needs some adjustment but still drives OK. The 3.0L V6 has never given me much trouble. The truck now has 367,000 miles on it.
Well that's 'cause it's a truck Ford knows people relyed on them for their businesses otherwise they would buy Toyotas even more , however now the new purpose is to compensate for d!ck size, you can tell especially when the truck is a late model (post 2014) and is all shiny which means it's probaly leased! 😂
Today's cars are more reliable, but the older cars were easier for the average person to work on with a nice set of tools. Today's cars you need to be an engineer with a computer just to figure out what's wrong with the vehicle and depending on the quality of your scan tool, you still might not know what's wrong.
Love your video's Scotty. They are very informative.
New cars more reliable??? Hahaha. Good joke
True that older cars where easier to work with, can't argue with that!
I was able to inexpesively repair my older cars in high school with hand tools. No computers. No airbags. No ABS. SIMPLER TIMES
Well on the bright side the humble moped has stayed the same.
ABS is one of the few safety features that does need to be mandated in my opinion. The percentage of accidents it prevents is astronomically higher than something like lane assist systems.
As long as you have the option to disable it, I don't mind.
When I drive my wife's 2019 honda odyssey and I absolutely hate the cruise control distances and avoidance systems. It has almost caused me to get in a accident when someone moves in your lane on the highway it slams on the brakes even when you have the distance set to its closest setting. . it made me go from 75mph to 45mph just because someone switched lanes going the same speed. because people were merging and it freaks out on curves as well. I hate the feel of drive by wire there is so much lag in the gas and steering then the brakes applies more brake pressure with out your input. I much prefer driving my 2000 Silverado 1500 but it is crazy how the van has almost the same power as my 5.3l
if you hold the distance button it turns of ACC and you can be used a a traditional cruise control
Had the same issue on my TLX and RDX. I ended up holding one of the cruise control buttons for a few seconds and it switched over to the standard cruise control setting. It surprisingly made my long drives much more relaxing.
AMEN!! The anti-lane departure control feature on a rental 2020-21 Camry almost got me into a wreck! I tried to swerve into an empty lane order to not hit a vehicle that had suddenly stopped in front of me, needless to say the lane departure feature was not having it! I had to think quick and jam on the brakes even harder as i had expected to avoid the whole scenario. Thankfully there was still time and distance enough for me to miss. Took me two days to figure out how to deactivate that feature! What a joke!
@@DigitalDissident or automatic transmission or power seats or power windows or air conditioning or stereo... See where this is going?
@@captinbeyond yes you can turn off the assist features in hondas
FYI the insurance industry was most responsible for the seat belt laws. Not having people thrown out of cars saved them millions in insurance payments.
Mary , it is commonsense.
'All' vehicular safety issues have been driven by Insurance Association pressures.
Consumers are impotent dealing with the mega car corporations.
You'll want to get rid of your car today because the cost of repair is far higher than it was in the past. The repair is far more difficult, requires more tools and special equipment, and the cost of the parts is far higher and there are many more of them.
plan of obsolescence
agree......price of gas is another reason to consider selling car.
My 1991 Ford Ranger is 30 years old and Still runs amazing with 250k miles........
Imagine paying 70k for 5 years of use, oh wait GM owners can lol
So many backpackers and bicyclists on the road nowadays. No wonder.
people are critical about transmissions because many people dont realize that it is absolutely critical to drain and refill your transmission fluid every 30k miles, especially in Hondas. I work at a Honda dealership and Ive seen people put this service off for 50k miles or more, and then blame their shifting problems on CVT design.
a friend of my dad has an old civic with cvt and he says if u keep up with maintenance IT Will be as reliable as The manual ones
I understand the maintenance required of the cvt. I change the cvt fluid in my 2015 civic every 30,000 miles. I still prefer a regular automatic transmission because it’s requires MUCH LESS maintenance ( fluid changes )
My daily is a 1975 Chrysler Cordoba. The interior looks like it did when it was on the showroom floor. With exception to a couple of rusty body panels I would say it's all in how you take care of the older ones as to their reliability.
My first car was a 76 with Corinthian leather seats! Miss it.
@@DavidNachtmann mine has blue cloth with the big buttons and that oversized piping.
I have a 1967 Chev Caprice 4 dr. hardtop. I'll put it up against any of these "new" models any day. It has NO computer, (I'm the computer) doesn't use a lot of plastic stuff, I can still change my own oil, lube it, clean the air filter, and on and on, etc., etc., etc.! It's got over 300,000 miles on it. I wouldn't trade it for anything! So there.
I still love old cars. My 1998 Peugeot 306 still drives like a dream. I only do maintenance without serious repairs. My 2000 model Mercedes Benz E320 w210 avantgarde is still in immaculate condition. I will only buy new cars when they are about 10 years old and upwards.
306 ?! Nice one :)
Those arent old cars to most of us 😆
Ugh. Give me physical buttons over touch screens every day.
GM seems to mess up one thing for everything they improve. My current Sierra doesn't have the problems I had with my old Silverado, but it has _different_ problems the old one never had. I've had the transmission rebuilt and the AC condenser replaced on the newer one, which I hear are super common problems for the K2XX trucks. The old one had leaks, corrosion, and anti-lock problems that were common to all the GMT800 trucks, but the transmission lasted 170,000 miles and the AC never had to be touched.
Transmission problems rule me out. I wont tolerate that or engine problems.
what happened to the transmission? Was it made by Allison?
@@jamesmedina2062 A seal blew. I will also mention the 4x4 on the dash went out also and i switched it to lock outs on the hubs.
@@muddyriverdogz Cool for the 4x4.
So due to the seal the whole tranny went bye-bye?
@@jamesmedina2062 it was the GM 6L80E. The torque converter failed right after it turned 100,000 miles.
Cars got better and better and reached their peak between the late 1990's till mid 2000's, afterwards they overall were getting worse and worse in quality.
The primary failure mode is now complicated electronics. Electronics for fuel efficiency and safety are good. Electronics for the sake of having Electronics is the problem.
Why does Porsche need a computer chip in the headlights? It just made that headlight $2000.00. This kind of stuff will total out a car.
Yeap ... people will simply be scared to buy it
Scotty - probably one of your best non-biased review of the car industry to date. You are right on point with the topics in this video (thou I do disagree with the high ranking that the Koreans cars got. After the engine fiasco they still have allot to prove).
The 1988-1992 Corolla was one good built car. My ‘92 is still on the road.
Repaint it
@@njad3 agree! Very soon!
They still are very good vehicles. I would argue the 2013 is the best year of all. CVT tranni's after that.
@@muddyriverdogz That’s a claim, but 30 years later and original motor and tranny, that speaks for itself. Engine made in Japan 🇯🇵 too.
@@salomonavilapelayo9031 2013's will be around 30 years later is maintained.
Modern cars give people anxiety if they know that a curtain high tech part has a higher chance of failing, or are outraged if a trunk latch costs hundreds of dollars. Contrast that to older cars that might have a fiew issues realated to their age but mainly there is less to go wrong and parts are generally cheap. And for those who like to do their own maintenance, older cars can be diagnosed and repaired without complex gadgets and softwares.
"Here’s Why New Cars are Designed to be Unreliable"
I'd believe it
Great video!
When buying a new car, leave of the gee-whiz stuff and only by the basics!
Less tech = less headaches!
My present car, no power seats, back up screen, cruise control, etc., plus, its a diesel, so, no ignition system to worry about. So far, worn out brakes and shocks, easy fix!
I own a seat leon from 2001, 1.9 Tdi, yes, the Alh version. 400k kilometers and the engine has 0 problems, no oil spillage, no big consumption. Now if you take a 2021 seat leon and put it to work for 20 years, yeah, not gonna happen.
The 1.9 tdi Will Last more then 800.000km maybe even a million especially The Alh...
The americans dont know what Seat is lol.. Only us from Europe.... Like last time i wrote a coment how now we have a toyota camry in Europe... And USA coments were shocked how we didnt have the camry... In the USA is like number 1 sold car forever 🤣
I have a 1998 passat with the same engine with 740.000 km. Original turbo and clutch. These things are well made
Have a 2.0tdi caddy with 415k kms on. Same, not a single problem on motor.
@@pulie2330 lmfao i guess you're right, but if they want smth reliable, they should check it out 😂
Excellent Video, and very accurate! I bought a LOADED 2021 truck (brand withheld) and the infotainment and electronics systems are absolutely terrible! Failure after failure, and the dealer can't fix any of it. While I love technology and new gadgets, things have to work. If reliability is going to suffer massively, then a manufacturer should hold off until they have it right.
My daily winter car here in Alaska is a 1983 Mercedes Turbo Diesel, my Sumer car is a 1980 Mercedes Turbo Diesel, they are forever cars if you take care of them…..
Wow. This video was amazing. I always thought newer cars are better in every way from older ones.
I have a 1983 Dodge ram with a slant 6 4sp still running strong
Same here 85 slants are beasts .
This has to be my favorite SK video, among a wide field of contenders. I especially like the "Scotty Kilmer for Adults" format. Lots of info that I was unaware of or didn't take the time to think about. As Johnny Carson used to say, " I did not know that".
I think the lifespans you mentioned are incorrect. In the 1970’s, I bought several cars that were 10 years old, drove them for years, and sold them to other drivers
Still driving a 94 Tercel with crank windows, 94 Caravan, The caravan is a tank. No abs, simple. Had a 76 delta 88 where the window glass was twice as thick as this new stuff and a beefy frame. . got 200k out of it. I don't need a new car having a motor to close the rear hatch. Don't need doors that lock automatically. What a stupid idea. Had a villager you go start on a cold day, and shut the door, and your keys running just got locked in the car running. Had a 80 bonneville with 220k. No sensors all over the place. No automatic crap features the better.
I got a '85 Chevy s10 pickup I've been using to get to work and back. Easy to work on and reliable. Not to mention my side project a '69 GTO.
i still prefer older vehicles for everything especially looks and style. Newer vehicles just don't do it for me
Good news, the cars are lasting longer. Unfortunately for me, I don't like new cars, at all. I replace windshields and auto glass, and drive customers' cars all the time. In newer cars, I feel claustrophobic, smothered, unable to see, feel, sense anything around me. It's just the overall, general feel of the cars, which are largely SUVs anymore. They make me feel as if I were driving around in overstuffed pillows. The last, best car I drove was a '92 Accord. I don't like cars from about 2003 on.
I felt that way when I got into a 2019 dodge challenger. I hated that thing.
Agreed newest car I own is an 03 the last decade to own an domestic car was the mid 00's to late 00's. Aside from certain models like hellcats,etc. The rest of modern day cars are junk. I see more modern day cars in junkyard now then cars from the late 90's and back.
Agreed, I sold my newer plastic car for an 03 Camry which I can SEE out of when reversing… “but back up camera” you say? No thank you, that’s what eyes and mirrors are for.
@@mollyjane4628 aka it got repossessed but I get your point.
The simpler something is, the easier it is to make it reliable
Cars are coming loaded with safety tech, while the skill, consideration and driving knowledge of many of today's drivers is deteriorating more than ever before. Drive defensively!
Oh but its so painful to drive at the speed limit, damn unfair government telling me what to do! /s
You are asking me to drive defensively around a Nissan Versa with Matilda driving? Ever seen Revenge of the Nerds when they were being driven to the college? I can't drive with that out of my way.
My 96 Lexus LS 400 still going strong. Change the timing belt every 100k and oil every 5k it will last forever plus I do the work myself.
Nice. My 91 LS400 is still going strong. Like you, I turn my own wrenches. Approaching 400k and 11 years of ownership.
The best Lexus ls400
Depending on the design of the car, some have the screen down below and others have it up high. You can't look down while your driving. Another problem with infotainment systems, is that some are too complicated. It would be better if the air controls were separate. Also, automakers let them get obsolete because they don't update them leaving customers with outdated system. For example, if you have older Toyota (before 2018) it doesn't have Android Auto and Toyota isn't offering to update it.
I would rather install aftermarket equipment (such as radio etc). Mechanically sound and long term reliability are the key factors in my opinion.
I have a 2014 Toyota Camry LE. It has a big screen, (not sure maybe 8 inches?) touch screen for everything. Though really, it is kinda useless. There is no backup camera. (Really?) It does have blue tooth, and pairs to my phone great, but you can't lets say park and send a TH-cam video to the screen. I tend to park and wait in my car a while here and there, get drive through, etc and would be nice to watch a 20 minute video or so not on my phone. So this nice screen, and not much I can actually do with it. I think I will save up and buy a new Android Auto to upgrade it, but will still need to buy a good backup camera to install with it.
Not to mention these new expensive cup phone holder designs i keep seeing advertised… lol you might as well hold it in your lap while driving 🤦♂️
@@williambaldwin9346 I’m glad you can can’t watch videos hole you drive. Just listen to the radio
True, also, it’s sad that most people think a car from Twenty Eighteen is “ old “ .
They win twice, they save on cost with cheap parts now and make money with repairs and rebuying replacement parts later.
The manufacturers and stealerships make most of their money on parts and repairs.
I have a car from 1969 with 700k km on the odometer, and I know that's been rolled back but who knows by how much. At least 1 million km on it. Nothing ever breaks on it, it's less rusty than cars that are 5 years old. Only major thing done do it is a engine "rebuild" at home, all it needed was new sleeves, pistons, rings, bearings, gaskets for 250€ total. Original owner drove it since new till 2018, I've daily driven it since as well.
It just really boils down to how well you take care of the car most older cars can last 50 or more years depending on who owned the car and how much maintenance it recieved
No necessarily - some cars just fall part even with good routine maintenance due to many factors - how well its designed to production (which includes quality control).
I had a new 1965 Chevy Biscayne. Talk about stripped, I had to install my own seat belts and backup lights. It did have a heater and radio though.
I carried a screwdriver to free up the shift linkage which frequently jammed going from 1st to 2nd gear.
Everything was good back in the day. My dads 97 Ford F-150 got 300k on it originally engine. Still run like a champ 💪
could be some form of bias in the sense that the cars that didn't make it to 300k arent around so youre just seeing the old ones that did
And my 1980 Ford F-150 is still on the road. First. On. Race. Day.
Often times it’s not a mechanical failure, but an emissions related failure that puts the car in a junk yard. An old diesel with no electronics can run basically forever
I hate touch screens in cars. They make no sense and seem to have almost exclusively downsides.
My 1973 Buick Lesabre had a warning light that would buzz if the seatbelt was not hooked up. I just connected the seatbelt and shoved it in the seat.
it's hard to even find a manual transmission now.
Another reason why i bought a 94 Celica two years ago.
the new aren't lasting 'longer', it's just the well made stuff from up to 2000 skewing the stats.
The plastic in the newish designs leads to early change to another vehicle, while the well-made earlier units soldier on. Now, I must go change some bushings in the LF control arm of my VW Golf.
from 1987.
Back in the day. In the 50's, 60's, & early 70's. If you bought an appliance, TV's, etc. If those things lasted 20 years before they broke down. They were considered junk. Today those same appliances would be considered good.
3 big ones I remember from a MOTOR OFFICER 30 years ago...
1) Be aware of the road 20-30 seconds ahead of you , as in not rear-ending slowing traffic ahead of you
2) ALWAYS HAVE AN "OUT" ALWAYS BE SCANNING. As in knowing if car is near you in case you have to swerve to avoid an accident.
3) If speeding , do not be the Lone Ranger.
Have at 98 Honda Prelude with 433,000 miles, burns some oil but runs perfectly. Also 1st Gen Toyota Tundra with 130,000. Keeping both until they become unfix-able.
It’s me thing I always questioned was how many CEOs or higher level management at these car manufacturers actually drive the cars they produce everyday. Seems to me that they could learn a thing or two about the automobiles they sell if they drive them everyday like the rest of their consumers.
It's all about the sales, and getting people sucked into these long term, never ending vehicle contracts. If you buy a new car and drive it 6 years it is time to trade it in on another new car! These cars, especially with inflation are not worth their sticker price, way higher than MSRP in 2021.
It’s always been about the sales. Of that I have no doubt. I’m also sure of them using less reliable parts or parts that intentionally fail after a designated period of time so that you do have to go buy a new car after a few years of owning it. Maybe they even skimp a little in quality control. Not even the best car ever made is designed to last forever though. Not to mention the sale of said vehicle doesn’t make car manufacturers as much money as the parts they sell to fix them when problems inevitably arise. I’m thinking though that if these CEOs or executives actually drive the cars they produce just like everyone else they sell them to at least they could put out a better product than what they currently are.
During the development of the Lexus LC, the head of the group was pretty involved. The LC has turned out to be one of the best grand tourers ever so they definitely should be involved.
How about those with GDI engines???
A well thought out and well presented argument, Scotty. I agree with you. Cars are probably better (safer) but drivers are becoming less skilled with all the modern safety features, like self parallel parking and lane keeping. So it's like everything, some good, some bad with advanced technology.
115 problems for every 100 cars? That’s actually terrible technology
I would love to have a truck built in 50s or 60s when they were simple to work on and tuff
Buy one!!! They are out there and they are not cheap. Look at estate sales and auctions for your shot at ownership.
it wasn't until the japanese forced quality control that vehicles became better. i wouldn't want cars built earlier
News for you Scotty. I had a 72 Ford Grand Torino Sport that I drove for 270,000 miles with only (1) water pump change. I bought that car from an elderly lady and she drove off the lot new in 72. Sold it to me with 108,679 miles on it. No matter what the year, drive em right and they will last.
I like how you point out that there are SO many factors that play in to "reliability", and how you can really measure it (or not). Old cars, from having had them, could be very reliable but there was a catch - it required a LOT more attention. You had to keep on an old car with maintenance and repairs, whereas with new cars, they seem to take owner apathy (or sometimes just zero-car-knowledge) into account and go longer without servicing. Warranties are longer too. A fun example was back in the 1950s when Ford released the second generation Lincoln Continental, the car was SO well built that Ford confidently put a 12,000 mile / 1 year warranty on it. Imagine if you saw a car on sale today with a warranty like that!
It depends on the Brand and their integrity. Like Ford, from top-down, they’re horrible.
I've found out more than a couple times, that 100,000 bumper to bumper doesnt mean that at all!!!
@@tomgrams2333 Haha - amen to that. Warranties have _ever_ only been as good as the manufacturer's willingness to dole them out.
This video threw me for a loop. Its not the usual Scotty shoot from the hip video. This was well laid out and right on point. Great video!
Ill take my simple rugged and overall reliable 1994 Chevy pickup. Even if the weakest part is the transmission. It'll still last 200k+ miles. Then even if I need a new transmission its still way cheaper and easier overall in the long run because of the trucks simplicity and long lasting design.
I miss the solid metal door handles on my '85.5 Mitsubishi Cordia-LS. Sure beats the plastic door handles on my '95 Eagle Talon that I replace every 5 years! And it was also fun rebuilding the carburetor with a cam-driven mechanical fuel pump!!!
An lcd panel is the same thing as playing a video game while driving. They are killing people, and all auto manufacturers should be sued in a class action suit for knowingly manufacturing unsafe vehicles that have killed people.
And sadly we can't do anything about it. I still drive my 1993 Dodge Dynasty 3.3L Motor, this vehicle still runs good and rarely breaks down.
1 Money
2 Weight vs emissions (money again)
3 "Increase safety" made to break k ching again
With tens of thousands lines of code, it’s easy to write computer commands that say the clock fails at 72,333 miles. The transmission at 81,003 etc……
The newer cars cost way more to keep maintained! That's why the lower working class of people can't keep their cars well maintained what a shame.
Another problem the working class have is that they always want that shiny BMW or Mercedes, which is absolutely not to be maintained by a non-expert. If they were sensitive to their financial situation and bought what they needed, they'd start doing better. We all like nice stuff (guilty also), but we've got to be realistic about where we are in life.
I keep my Toyota vehicles AT LEAST 20 years. My sienna is 18 and runs beautiful