What Does Formatting Actually Do, Anyway?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- And what is the different with Quick Format?
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0:00 - Intro & Basics
0:38 - Formatting in Windows
2:03 - Quick Format
3:00 - Non-Quick Format
4:07 - Demonstration
4:52 - HDD Architecture
8:33 - Low Level Formatting
11:03 - SSD Architecture
14:09 - File Storage on SSD
15:23 - Conclusion
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I agree
@Omri Hermon manufacturers are still making a computer
How come every time you format you lose more and more total disc space
@@Adrien_broner what do you mean?
One of my friends is always amused at my random knowledge.
Hi Joe! You might remember me as the author of Task Manager, but I'm also the author of the Format dialog! I have a video about it's history on my channel (Dave's Garage). Would have been a good topic to do a collab on! Cheers and the new Apature lights (I can only assume), looks good!
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@@Anonymous-cm8jy He IS GOD, he can bless himself :-)
Sector size is a function of read/write head size.
Block size can affect read/write speeds. In other words, it's faster to read ten 10 byte blocks than it is to read one hundred 1 byte blocks.
Head size has nothing to do with sector size. Heads fly over 1 bit at a time (it's size is related to bit density only). The higher-level electronics (microcontroller) divide those bits into logical sector sizes. For each "sector", it also has to store headers (which are factory written, mentioned in video) and ECC data (error checking and correction); which all take space. Raising sector size from 512 to 4K means eliminating ECC and headers of 3 sectors, while slightly increasing ECC data for the 4th. But creates compatibility problems (mainly slowing down) with partitioning of old SW (up to, including, XP).
PS: those 3.5" 1.44MB (1440MB) floppies were also advertised as 2MB unformatted. Wikipedia mentions formatted size for Amiga as 1.760KB.
That would be the reason why the file transfer dialogue box drops in Bytes per second when you are transfering multiple folders rather that videos, becuase the folders may have a lot of small files that don't fill the allocted units size but videos would.
What's the ideal sector size?
@@Anonymous-cm8jy
Depends on the use case, hopefully someone can provide some more insight on this as I’m not really sure
@Anonymous-cm8jy if your doing mostly bug files like games use big if its mostly small stuff use small
Got the notification while formating a 30Gigs drive.
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@@gregdowle8031 you are somewhat right.
Drink every time he says „I’m not gonna get into that“
And double for "actually" and "basically".
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A trim command (known as TRIM in the ATA command set, and UNMAP in the SCSI command set) allows an operating system to inform a solid-state drive (SSD) which blocks of data are no longer considered in use and can be wiped internally. Trim was introduced soon after SSDs were introduced.
Not sure about everyone else but I really appreciate the extra details you provide in your videos. Thanks for not "dumbing it down" too much!
Perfect timing! I’m actually in the middle of formatting a 2tb drive to clean it of things I regret seeing
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Has it completed yet?
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This is a pretty good piece, I was already familiar with a lot of the stuff in isolation but you did a nice job putting it all together into an easily understandable package.
I had almost forgotten about low-level formatting. Seems that it took forever to low-level format my 30MB hard disk. I had the option to upgrade my Compaq 286 to the 30MB and all my friends thought I was nuts for paying extra for such a huge drive. "You will never be able to use 30MB on a home computer even 30 or 40 years from now."
Wow lol. I remember when I had the MASSIVE 40MB Hard Drive installed in a Tandy 1000. Crazy to think that only about 25 1.44 MB Floppy disks would fill the entire drive. Yet that was considered more than enough space at the time.
Yes, I've been using IBM PC's since the 80's, at that time the original hard drive controllers actually sat in a plug-in card attached to the original ISA bus (great-grandfather of all of the current generation of PCI buses). The control logic sat outside the hard drives themselves on this plug-in card. Now back then there used to be two different types of hard drive formats available, MFM & RLL, and so you had to get the appropriate type of controller card for the type of HDD you were getting. The low-level formatter was a piece of code within the controller card that you could execute by using a special program in DOS that initiated that portion of the controller's logic. That all went away once the IDE HDD's came, the controller logic all lay inside the HDD's themselves, and the smart "controller cards" actually just became simpler dumb interface cards. Low-level formatting also became inaccessible by that point, as the LLF was done at the factory, and never needed refreshing.
Before Vista a "full" format was just a deep scan over the drive for bad sectors & not actually writing zeros. Starting with Vista a full format does do the zero write.
back in the day there use to be format without erase command..this would read a sector then format that sector the re-write the data back into that sector..this took hours to do but was helpful in recovering drives that were starting to have issues
I'm addicted to these videos! Very well explained👍
This man's explanations are all over the place. Reminds me of how a child would explain things.
No structure, no pacing or pauses, and lots of 'I'm not going to get into that'.
The way you've completey turned the channel around is beautiful.
I had been looking for this video since ages. Very informative! Thanks 👍☺️
*finally finds a video where someone goes into detail about something no one ever goes into detail about so I can finally learn 100%*
TH-camr: I’m not going to get into that, I’m going to keep it simple for this video
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I swear I had a stroke reading your comment
LL formatting was back in the day when a 10 megabyte drive was _something..._ back when most personal computers ran on floppys or tape and the user was the device driver for everything.
"..........the user was the device driver for everything." 🤔😳😁👍😊👍
Very interesting and informative! Thanks!
The detailed info about the drives makes the video very educational but still intresting. Keep it up! :)
As a tech guy who helps people with their computer and is constantly into tech stuff, I was always curious about this and even though you said you went extra, always remember there are people out there who understand everything you said and I learned a lot from the video! Thanks for the education and I always love your content. 🤘🏼🤙🏼
I would love to know more about SSDs! You left us a bit short on them :D
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Very educational! And surprisingly clearly explained! I'll be checking out more of your videos. Thanks!
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This has answered a lot of questions about hard drives I really have I wondered about for a long long time!
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Simply explained for everyone!
Good video Joe. An excellent crash course on how drives work.
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Thanks for the explanation of hard disc and SSD style storage. The MVME on both the motherboard and on the SSD looks like a better strategy. brilliant.
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I'm surprised you explained all that shit and didn't bother with what NTFS and FAT32 are XD
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Oh right, I totally forgot, I was kinda looking forward that part... :C
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He only covered NTFS for format/quick format. A FAT filesystem doesn't require those particular files.
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Wonderfully technical! Thank you so much!
Thank you for making this video. I learned a lot. And also I am now
motivated to format one of my drives 😄
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This helps so much! I want to get an SSD and want to know what to do with the old hard drive, and now I know
Now I know what is the meaning of: *Size of actual file and size of file in the disk* while seeing properties of a file or folder😎
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Very informative. I enjoyed it, however, the part that got me more glued was where you stopped. I'm using more SSDs now to create content and I was interested in the Open Channel SSD thing about NVME drives.
Nice informative video, I now have a better understanding of how and what my drives do … thanks 👍
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Really great information Joe. Esp. on SSD
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@15:25 I would like a video on the NVME drive please regarding that specific process. I think it would be informative and interesting to the audience.
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Fascinating information. Good to know.
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Now show us how to Unformat a Quick format! Keep up the good work ThioJoe. I am a long time fan!
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Back in the day, low-level formatting wasn't just an "apparently you could" thing. It was a "you must do this first" thing.
My memory is fading a bit, but in MS-DOS, you had to run the DEBUG command (built-in to the OS) to access a piece of microcode to do the low-level format. The code was likely on the controller. Once running, you would put in the drive geometry which was printing on the drive from the factory. It said how many heads, cylinders, sectors, etc. there were on the drive. In addition to that, the drive often came with a defect map you had to key into the low-level formatting utility to remove those parts of the drive from visibility from the operating system. Isn't that something, a drive coming from the factory with known defects you had to work around. I don't miss those days.
Once IDE drives came around, the controller was on the drive itself and the computer had a "host bus adapter" to be able to connect to them. I remember back in the day wondering why I'd want all these things integrated on the motherboard. What if one component fails? I'd need to replace the whole board! That's expensive and inconvenient! Now, it's not a big deal. The reliability of components is really good at this point with all the mistakes being made decades ago and manufacturers learning from them. With the advent of IDE drives, Zone Bit Recording became a thing so your drive geometry changed from a physical feature to a logical one. When the operating system asks for some data on this (cylinder, head, sector), the drive knows where it actually is and reports it back. Most spinning drives today have only one physical platter with one or two heads. Not like back in the day when it was common to have a drive with many platters and two heads each.
My first hard drive was a MFM, 5.25", full-height (3") drive holding 30MB. I would next upgrade to a RLL, 3.25", half-height (1.5") drive holding 40MB which just happened to be a slower drive than the first one.
Always awesome content.
The way I recall "Low level formatting" was in the pre ATA interface days. The PC (usually DOS based Disk File System) actually completely controlled the hard disk. This also only allowed for logical drives of 32MB (yes MB). The Hard Disk Controller was plugged into an expansion slot on your computer and then you would use the dos debug tool to access a certain memory address to invoke the setup tools to partition and low level format your drives then allocate them as logical drives.
I dont recall ever having to re low level format a drive on a PC XT or AT you merely set up the drive tracks, sectors and partitions once. Then you could return to DOS and format the drives.
The ATA drives introduced the actual hardware control to the drives themselves and a simplified interface for the computers. So while you may use the DOS/Windows format command afterwards what physically happened on the disk was out of the computers hands as the ATA on drive controller actually took control and allowed for automatic management of bad sectors by swappibg bad sectors with a reserve of alternative sectors.
Okay this video was more useful than the classic "how to change the oil in your computer" from back in the day. Thank you very much.
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Awsome info bro!!
Informative thanks
Cool. Thanks for sharing.
Quite informative video.
I needed this! I just completed my NTLite Windows 10 version and wanted to store it on my USB drive for my new build. Thank you!
Edit: Do I need to non-quick format to use my flash drive for installing windows? What about BIOS updates?
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Interesting thing: floppies and hard drives also have a sort of translation layer. It’s called sector skew. Sectors are not laid out in numeric order but so that, ideally, the next sector to be read is directly under the head when the previous action is done. This is set during low level formatting.
Do you know if it was possible to low level format a floppy disk outside of the factory?
@@luhgarlicbread All floppies were low level formatted by the user. That's why you could select the different capacity for your needs based on your hardware.
@@PabSungenis
Oh, cool
Great video, I never knew what quick format does...