AL-336D DELUXE Centre Lathe HAFCO Metalmaster - Full Review (L682D)
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AL-336D DELUXE - Centre Lathe (240V)
Description
The AL-336D deluxe high quality centre lathe with a turning capacity of Ø300 x 900mm is well known in the industry for its metal turning capabilities & is suitable for the model engineer or general maintenance workshops.
Featuring a 2-Axis digital readout system for radius & longitudinal measurements (X & Y-Axis), the DRO counter is mounted above the headstock in a user friendly location allowing you to achieve precision work every time. The induction hardened vee bedways are precision ground that allows the saddle to smoothly slide over it, full gear driven spindle speeds ranging from 65 - 1810rpm are selectable via the gear selector levers that are accessible from the front of headstock for your convenience & certainly makes this lathe package well sort after.
The 2hp single phase 240V motor is ample power to drive the 3 & 4 jaw chucks, auto feed & screw cutting thread system and the adjustable taper roller spindle bearings ensures accuracy & smooth operation even when under cutting load. A great range of cross, longitudinal feed speeds & metric & imperial screw cutting threads are easy accessible & selected via the separate gearbox located underneath the headstock for your convenience.
Supplied with a large range of standard accessories including a quick change tool post with 4 tool holders, 150mm 3 jaw self centring chuck, 200mm 4 jaw independent chuck with D1-4 camlock for quick change over, face plate, spindle safety foot brake, chuck guard with safety interlock switch, guarded leadscrew cover, thread chasing dial, rear splash guard, coolant pump system, work light, fixed & traveling steadies & that rounds up most of the great features on this fantastic centre lathe. The floor stand is equipped with a slide out swarf tray that makes it very easy to clean down and remove your waste material swarf.
Features
- 2 Axis digital readout
- Quick change toolpost with 4 holders
- Gear drive headstock for quick change of spindle speeds
- Precision 'V'-beds are hardened and ground, incorporating a rigid webbed casting
- Concertina leadscrew cover
- Slide out swarf tray from front of machine
- Low voltage work light
- Foot operated spindle brake with safety cut out switch
- Slide out front swarf tray for easy cleaning
- Change gears for metric and imperial thread cutting
- Oil sight glass for head stock and gearbox
- Adjustable taper roller bearings support the spindle
- 18 spindle speeds from 65 to 1810rpm
- Inching button is incorporated on the control panel for convenient spindle speed selection
- Enclosed quick action gearbox for thread cutting and auto feeding
- Powered longitudinal and cross feeds
- D1-4 camlock spindle for quick chuck changes and safe reverse direction turning. ISO standard
- Removable gap bed-way for larger diameter jobs
- Dual calibrated dials (except for saddle hand-wheel)
- Chuck & change gear guards are fitted with micro switches
Includes
- 2 Axis digital readout system
- Concertina leadscrew cover
- Quick change toolpost with 4 holders
- Slide out front swarf tray
- 3-jaw chuck with reverse jaws
- 4-jaw chuck
- Face plate
- Fixed steady
- Travelling steady
- Coolant system
- Change gears
- Dead centres
- Thread-chasing dial
- Safety chuck guard
- Work light
- Stand
- Foot brake
- Rear splash guard & slide out swarf tray
- Tool box
- Instruction booklet
ORDER CODE: L682D
Model: AL-336D-DELUXE
Digital Readout System Fitted: Yes
Quick Change Toolpost Fitted: Yes
Leadscrew Covers Fitted: Yes
Coolant System: Yes
Tool Height To Suit: 12mm
Distance Between Centres: 900mm
Swing Over Bed: 300mm
Swing Over Cross-slide: 180mm
Swing In Gap: 450mm
Centre Height: 150mm
Spindle Bore: 38mm
Spindle Nose Size or Type: D1-4 Camlock
Bed Width: 180mm
Headstock Spindle Taper: 5MT
Tailstock Taper: 3MT
Cross Slide Travel: 170mm
Compound Slide Travel: 75mm
Leadscrew: Imperial
Cross Feed Range (X-Axis): 0.009 - 0.236mm/rev
Longitudinal Feed Range (Z-Axis): 0.04 - 1.2236mm/rev
Metric Thread Steps & Pitch Range: 32 (0.4 - 7mm)
Imperial Thread Steps & TPI Range: 36 (4 - 60tpi)
3 Jaw Chuck Diameter: 160mm
4 Jaw Chuck Diameter: 200mm
Spindle Steps / Speed Range: 18 (65 - 1810rpm)
Motor Power: 1.5kW / 2hp
Voltage: 240V
Weight (nett): 595kg
For more information on this machine, please visit:
Hare and Forbes Machineryhouse
Sydney: (02) 9890 9111
Melbourne: (03) 9212 4422
Brisbane: (07) 3715 2200
Perth: (08) 9373 9999
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Machineryhouse - NZ
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Great video to the point and without unnecessarily fuss
I appreciate that!
Great video had one of these for 5 years and just learnt something it does 😀
I've had mine for about 4 years, it gets used a lot. Good value for money.
Thank you for sharing, and appreciate the endorsement of our lathe,
A good little jobbing lathe. Had one for a about a year now.
Good lathe, had one for 2 years, plenty of capacity, i found the best way protection lubricant is WD40 Specialist Silicone lubricant or Lanox. Way oil wasn't so good. Otherwise turns true, runs well. The saftey guard can be removed and used without it. Lead screw appears imperial, which isn't much of an issue just need to mindful if you need to chase threads. Great machine.
great video, now just need me a shed so i can get one to put it in !
Note the chuck holding system not only has the three chuck key release screws holding the chuck but also needs the hex head locking screws are needed to be release before undoing the chuck . these need to be tightened after installing teh chuck/securing bolts.
I always put a wooden board on the bed when changing chucks.
That was great presentation of lathe machine.
Also don't forget that they're shipped from the factory dry, youll need to put oil in the 3 gearboxes, at 13:01 we can see the sight glass for the threading gearbox has no oil in it. there is also one for the spindle head and the last one is on the saddle. :)
One of the very best demos I've seen. Too bad you are not in LA....
Thank you Stu, :)
I wish you could do this demonstration with all your lathes
Thank you Bear, maybe one day
Nice bit of metal-machining kit :)
That's a nice looking lathe!
Looks like a nice lathe, ild like to upgrade to one like this one day once i have the money, although i feel like having to play with pulleys is not something I'd expect on a high end lathe
Hi Henry, if you watch "CUTTING EDGE ENGINEERING" (for example) you'll see that even lathes that are 5m between centres (and on other channels) over 5m are 'belt-driven'. More engineering machines are driven this way than gear/direct drive. Keep in mind that it's better to have a 'belt-drive' failure than a 'gear/direct-drive' failure. I've been around these things for about 65 years, so mate, believe me, shit does happen! When a 'belt-drive' fails you replace said belt/s. When a 'gear/direct-drive' fails you usually replace the whole bloody machine! (Unless you're lucky). I hope you get your lathe mate and as I always drum into people Henry, "NO GLOVES; NO RINGS; NO LONG SLEEVES; NO WRIST WATCHES, NO BRACELETS; NO NECKLACES; NO 'LOOSE' LONG HAIR and NEVER REACH ACCROSS OR OVER YOUR MACHINE UNTIL IT STOPS!!! Happy and safe machining for many years Henry.
What does the Z mean on the imperial thread cutting tables on the side of the gear box (quadrant)
Deborah Dupain that represents a gear size (No of teeth) that needs to be used in gearing to achieve a certain thread range thats indicated directly below, see image on left bottom gear is Z, this gearing can be found behind side door cover, Also all the necessary gears are supplied with the machine as standard, hope that helps
Good machine
So I have been to H&F here in WA, but still haven’t bought my lathe yet.
Getting stock out of China seems to be a big problem at the moment making choice limited to whatever is left in stock.
No idea when new stocks will arrive.
Any chance you could do a review on the AL356V please?
That seems to be the one I want.
But even when I visited, I never got to see or hear it run. At least on a video like this I can get an idea how loud it might be.
If the Designation CL stands for “Centre Lathe” what does the AL of AL 356V stand for please?
The D stands for Deluxe & the V stands for Variable speed , but your guy at H&F couldn’t tell me what the AL stood for?
Why I’m interested in a review with the variable speed lathe, is what effect does that adjustability have on selecting speeds and gears when thread cutting etc.
You sell nice equipment, but I think you just assume everyone knows about how such stuff works.
I’ve had over $10k tucked away in the safe for over 3 months now earmarked for my new lathe but even after visiting in person, I didn’t end up coming away having bought my new lathe.
Getting the right answers, to questions, non availability of stock with the Covid hard border shut downs & no ships out of China & now some sort of trade war blossoming with China, it seems like getting warranty parts etc out of China - ie ongoing support in future, is all pretty much “guesswork” - it doesn’t really inspire a $10k purchase in the hope things get better in the future.
I’d actually prefer a Taiwanese built lathe if I’m honest.
Stories of the Chinese ones having the gear box and saddle castings all still full of casting sand mixed with the lubricating oil doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence in the Chinese product is all.
The more I try and get info about buying a lathe, the less impressed I have become with H&F if I am to be honest.
Hi Ian, thank you for the feedback & questions in relation to metal turning lathes, I have sent your message onto my Perth branch manager. If you wish please send your contact details to Attn Perth Manager email to sales@machineryhouse.com.au
Thanks
@@Machineryhouse1930 So no video on the AL 356 V I guess?
And you wonder why H&F are getting a shockingly bad reputation. 🙄
Even you don’t know what the AL designation stands for.
Time to find another machinery supplier by the looks. 👎
I bought a new Chinese made Warco 13x30 geared head lathe in 2004 here in the UK, I would also have prefered a Taiwanese made lathe but the equivalent was twice the price even years before I bought my Chinese version.
And yes, the stories are true, my new Chinese lathe had large amounts of casting sand as well as metal swarf left in the apron and particularly in the headstock, but to a lesser extent in the screwcutting gearbox. The headstock internals were also rusty, including all bearings. I had two of these Warco 13x30 lathes and they both had these faults, but the first one I was given was much worse than the second, and even the second was really bad.
But the Chinese lathes of this type and price range are inconsistent, some examples are perfectly alright, some are not too bad and some are just dreadful, you just don't know what you are going to get until it turns up, whatever the claims of quality made by the supplier. This is not directed at H&F in any way, just my experiences with some lathes and other machinery made in China that use an enclosed oil filled gearbox.
You must not simply run these machines "straight out of the box" like some owners proudly do, without at least first removing the headstock cover and taking a look at the state of the internal condition. This could prevent what may be very well made components from being prematurely damaged and ruined by any rubbish that might have been left inside by the manufacturer and the factory that sometimes carelessly and crudely assembles them.
I still have my Chinese 1330 lathe, with all the casting sand, swarf and rust removed and all headstock bearings replaced right from the start, as well as many other faults corrected. It performs very well but would not have lasted much more than a year with regular use if it had been left in the state it was supplied in.
Strangely enough, still no explanation of what AL stands for in the AL356V designation?
Also no H&F video of the AL356V lathe in operation, similar to this one.
As luck would have it, since my comments 2 years ago about the AL356 etc, someone I know had to return their AL346V to H&F under warranty because it couldn’t meet the published specs by the manufacturer.
The owner replaced it with an AL356V but bought it from Fiora Machinery because H&F in WA were being d!cks to deal with over the return under warranty. 🙄
So luckily I’ve been able to go around and watch the lathe in operation.
It’s quiet and turns really accurate results. So I’m reasonably impressed with it so far from the little that I have seen.
I’ve been advised that I think the AL356V is a Chinese made lathe rather than Taiwanese, so not quite as good quality.
It’s been suggested to me that if I wanted a Taiwanese built “tool room quality” lathe, that I might be better served with either a AL1000D - 3 phase, or maybe a AL960B
I’ve dealt in the past with H $ F and had good service etc, but also with Fiora and equally had good service from them but sadly Fiora is since closed down - so it’s back to dealing with H & F as my only “option”.
Which is why it would be good if they would actually keep making these videos on each of the lathes that they import & sell.
Maybe Mark here is no longer working with H & F or something, I don’t know, but the videos seem to have stopped being produced.
A lot of products seem to be “out of stock” at the moment, so lead time from ordering might be a bit of an issue perhaps.
Excellent
3 pillar drill press set on linear die collumb bearings.?
Would the AL 346V be a good first lathe?
I half own an old AL280p (combined lathe & mill) with a relative but I’ve never got to use it, so figure I’ll just buy separate larger machines for myself.
Which milling machine would go best with the AL 346 V please?
Is there anywhere in Perth WA I can get lessons to learn how to use it?
Watching a zillion videos is no substitute for doing it hands on with someone watching over & guiding you until you become familiar with it.
I’ve wood turned before but metal machining is a new hobby.
My biggest fear is crashing the compound into the chuck.
Is there a reason there’s not an adjustable carriage travel stop that automatically stops the travel a split second before a crash?
For new chums, it would be nice to know you can’t crash it if you set up an auto stop.
I figure if cars can now brake before hitting the car in front a metal Center lathe ought to be able to do the same.
My 2C,
Hi Ian, It would be best to call or visit one of our stores and speak with a technical sales person to guide you through all the alternatives to suit your requirements, we have machines on display and you can get a hands on feel as well for the machine size as well, whilst working with one off our technical staff members to help you.
Hare & Forbes MachineryHouse Thank you for the reply Mark, I will try and get down to MH / H&F this week for a run through with one of your sales technical guys. 👍
Price indai
Could you give details about the coolant system please? Capacity?, Flow rate, best cutting fluid? (Chlor Paraffin?) & whether you sell same?
Pretty damn good review.
Could you explain please how you zero the DRO? Do you move the cutter in until it’s just touching the work piece & hit zero on the X axis, and move the saddle along until the cutter is just touching the workpiece & zero the Y axis?
Then work on dimensions from those X & Y co ordinates?
If I wanted to buy my first Lathe & have all the features of this Lathe plus VFD, would my best choice be the AL 346 V or the AL 356V? I have 240 V single phase or 415 x3 phase power available to me.
Also what mill should I get to go with it?
Many thanks in advance.
Hi Ian, thank you for the nice comment, in regards to your enquiry it would be best to have one of my experienced machinery sales person contact you and explain all you need to know before owning a new machine. please contact your nearest Hare & Forbes Store details can be found on www.machineryhouse.com.au or email details, phone number, state location to sales@machineryhouse.com.au, thank you
@@Machineryhouse1930
I’ve been to H&F here in Perth a couple of times now & left “underwhelmed” on both occasions unfortunately.
What’s the point if you don’t have the machine I’m interested in buying “in stock”?
Even the machines on the floor aren’t able to be powered up to hear them running.
I see vids where some premium brands start up and are really quiet, yet all the Chinese H & Fs are noisy as anything.
Noise is an issue for me, I’m not parting with $10k for something I can’t see & hear running!
A simple solution would be for you to film a similar video to this one with the AL 356V please?
I’ve asked now a few times over more than a year and zero response.
Do you not want to promote & sell the AL356 V lathes? Is there something inherently wrong with them where you don’t want to promote them?
I’ve found a guy locally has a AL346V that he bought from you guys whose agreed to let me go around and run my eyes (& ears) over it, so see if I think it’s slightly bigger brother would be the lathe for me, or not, but really I shouldn’t have to & neither should he - that is after all what H & F should be doing, it is your job after all, to promote your products.
Continually avoiding answering questions and sending me to see the staff at my local store isn’t achieving the results I’m seeking.
Maybe you guys should just do your damned jobs and get the videos out there to help sell your lathes?
I’m pretty much beyond p!ssed off by now to be honest - because if after sales service as as abysmal as before sales service, I’m not sure H & F is a company I want to be beholden to AFTER I’ve parted with my cash.
My 2c
How much this machine sir.. im from malaysia
How do I find prices for this lathe?
www.machineryhouse.com.au/L682D
how about you guys inform the factory that they are machining the tailstocks backwards?
if i had looked at that when i bought it, i would have demanded a replacement that has some overhang where its needed so you can actually turn between centers. or gotten a different model. the 346 has a "standard" tailstock with the overhang facing in the direction its required... maybe theyll fit? but if i head to the showroom, do you reckon theyll even let me try? nope.
even the line drawing in the parts diagram shows it oriented the correct, standard way, rather than being backwards with a flush front so it has no overhang and always gets in the way.
but then again, H&F has a reputation for excellent customer service, so i dont expect anything to change anytime soon. how long have they been making and selling this model with its backwards machined tailstock? bit late now, huh?
i definitely wouldnt expect them to say... supply a correctly machined tailstock that can actually be used, to all customers that have purchased one of these, if they wanted one. much the same reason im making that new shaft inside the hm46, that when i showed up to the northmead showroom with the shaft with manufacturing defect, the thing has a crack running down the length of it, obviously from the factory as its been ground AFTERWARDS, but "brian", or maybe it was "bruce", simply looked at me and stated "what do you expect us to do about it?"
you are expected to REPLACE DEFECTIVE TIMES AS PER AUSTRALIAN CONSUMER LAWS, thats what i expect you to do about it. i seriously contemplate going back, recording the conversation and approaching the ombudsman over this. i can handle a bandsaw blade breaking, thats normal. but a critical internal part of a machine, that it RELIES upon, and is DEFECTIVE... havent been back to H&F since then, and i wont be returning anytime soon. your impeccable record of customer service has lost me. and well, i dont seem to be the only person with my experience, from what i hear in the mens sheds, in lunch rooms, down at hornsby model engineers shop... i am yet to meet ANYONE with a positive thing to say about H&F and their customer support.
anyway.
every other lathe in your line has it done properly from what i see. just the 336 stands apart with this nonsensical tailstock design.
surprised the place is even in business. maybe they have a better rep in other cities, but northmead has a long upheld tradition of employing arseholes that have absolutely no interest in assisting anyone, whether it be advice, help, or simply honouring australian consumer laws regarding faulty products and manufacturing defects.
In regard to the defective shaft in your HM-46B Mill Drill, talk directly with Mr Ankur Patel (Manager), whom I have found from personal experience is a very reasonable and sincere person. He is a shining example of a 'People Person'.
@@tandjrogers sorry, i had to have a rant. this popped up in my feed for some unknown reason... and i was wasting time simply because that tailstock had caught me yet again! and yeah... id just had that experience...
ummmm... i made one. not sure what steel old car axle is, but it hardened nicely, ground nicely. without cracking. only had to split the box another two times, measure it, then install it...
easy gear shifts and no more "clacka clacka".
sigh. they do the job. do wish that tailstock was done properly though. meh. it gives me a project.
@@paradiselost9946 We all need to vent now and then, it's human nature mate. I'd love to see some photos of your 'shaft' work around. [Did you contact Ankur?] I can't understand why the tailstock on this model lathe was done this way (arse about)??? I checked the specs on all their models around this size but there's nothing 'adaptable' to the 336. Different 'bed widths', different 'centre heights'.
@@tandjrogers ahhh, you see it now, dont you? my guess is someone stuffed up in the factory a long time ago, and as noone ever pointed it out as an issue, and possibly with 10,000 having been machined that way... thats how its stayed. jig stays on shelf until the next batch and again. why change? would just make parts awkward...
two options... hack it up and turcite the base back to alignment, or hack it up and make it into a slotter/lever type. not a fan of hand wheels on deep holes. got enough meat for some slideways if i slice about midway through the spindle bore.. base needs skimming anyway so it actually contacts the bed properly. i think they machined it with an oxy torch, by the look of it. so it will all shift down a bit and give me some room up top.
quick search for 300x900 lathes.
SMT1236GA
CQ6230A
same factory different seller. backwards facing tailstock.
seems universal on this model. i guess i should fix it and stop complaining :)
@@paradiselost9946 Seriously? Two others! That is just about unheard of. Unthinkable that a factory can let such a blunder go un-rectified. WOW!
Pity the QCTP is the piston type.
como obtener mas información de sus productos en Colombia , estoy interesado en el torno AL-336D
all information is on our Australian website www.machineryhouse.com.au
Something these Chinese lathes need is an cutting stop for the feed and they would be perfect. Most of the milling machines have a drill depth stop and it is a really useful thing to have and I wish they would add it to the lathes. It would make them a "manual cnc machine" since you couldn´t miss your mark.
It has every thing the little mini lathes don't have. I'm in love. How much? $ 5225.00 on website as of Oct 2018. Finance available. Unfortunately I still can't afford one!
Hi Wayne, we are going to have a massive nation wide sale 15-17th November, we will release these deals 1 week earlier to all our machineryhouse mates, if not already signed up as a free member please follow link to do so if you wish, thanks www.machineryhouse.com.au/register?LeadID=53
@@Machineryhouse1930 Thats very interesting because I also wish to buy this lathe & BF20LV Milling Machine but am currently tossing up a few other options
@@frase1234 we are planning a sale around 12th, 13th, 14th November this year, go to our website & join as a machineryhouse member and you will be notified on all promotions if you click that option, thanks
I own one of these and want to cut a19 TPI imperial thread There are four columns for the indicator "C3" How do I know which column I'm currently using?
Firstly you need to have the gearing set up as per left table that the 19tpi falls within, (48,127, Z=(38) which is shown directly under C3. secondly the left gearbox dials are to be put into 'C3' and the other dials 'MI'. You look vertical from the thread size you are doing to get Z gear and 2 off the dials for gearbox, then look across left from th 19tpi to get letter & no. for the other 2 dials of the gearbox. going another step further the indicator table for 19tpi located on thread chasing dial right of the saddle shows you to use 16 gear in bottom, which is most likely already set up in it, (check) and also shows you you can only engage/disengage the lever on the number 8 mark seen on top of thread chasing dial rotating when machine is running. hope this helps, if you require more details we offer phone assistance as well, please contact your nearest Hare & Forbes office.
Thank you for clearing that up.
It turns out my machine was mislabeled. My left gear table was not marked as 48,127,Z. It is labeled 48,127,24 and vise versa. So I was a bit confused.
If you contact our office our spare parts people should be able to quote you on a new name plate? hope it all worked out for you, i'm also glad my explanation was helpful. cheers
Thanks, but now that I'm aware of it I shouldn't have a problem now.
Super
Is this available in the USA? or can you ship it?
Hi, we can ship overseas, you need to go to our website and send an inquiry email, or use email address - sales@machineryhouse.com.au
It is sold in the US under another name, it's a Chinese lathe. I think it's called a Precision Matthews
How much the price
click the link for all the information and price. www.machineryhouse.com.au/L682d thanks
13:02 Hey mate, you know you're supposed to put oil in geared headstock lathes ?
pmailkeey That’s correct
@@millomweb Hello again, It's completely full, seems you may have a few more questions you would like answered, please call our store so we can provide you more information, have a nice day
Very nice machine, kindly speak about price.
Parwez Khan please visit our website for full details and current prices, link can be found in bio, thanks
Price in India
Nice what. Price
Great machine go ahead and buy it lol
Tell them the price son ,tell them the price.......nice lathe......terry
Hi Terry, We cant actually state the price in the video as they may change in the future, this link directs you to our website www.machineryhouse.com.au/L682D, if your talking about a recent email we sent out the banner with the deal directs you to the promotion, Hope this helps
this is no review. but a commercial
Présenter un tour, c'est bien, mais travailler avec c'est mieux
Vidéo inutile
By the language this guy is using he must be a salesman and not a machinist. As a machinist he is painful to listen to. It’s like he is selling to someone who has never touched a lathe. Like someone wanting to buy a table saw at Home Depot and is thinking about buying it to do home Reno’s 🤣
can you do this video again but the measurements in english not in this metric crap and no I do not live in the USA I was taught in feet and inches not in something the french tried to cram down our throats