I have the Lanshan 2 Pro & camped out in -2 with my daughter 3 weeks ago, the condensation was ridiculous & our sleeping bags were damp too & kept being dripped on. I bought us each an OEX Bush Bivvi bag (approx 380g & £45) to protect our sleeping bags from the condensation. We just tried them out in the Peak District at -2° in snow but also left the outside doors to the lanshan tied back & just the mesh doors zipped shut, between the bivvy bags & keeping the doors open for better ventilation we had no condensation at all. We also use Osprey Levity 60 bags which weigh about 800g, they are so comfy & we did the 97 mile West Highland Way last summer carrying 12kg & didn't even know I was carrying mine. X
Yes I think air flow is key with these tents. There was no wind on this one and lots of moisture in the air so I had my own rain system going on inside. So glad I had my body bag! I do like the look of the 2 pro for the extra space 👍
@@Chris66able I asked on a site how to reduce condensation & everyone said it can't be stopped, they get it inside their £800 tents, big branded tents too. It's science, condensation is caused when warm meets cold air, doesn't matter if you're in a house & your windows get condensation, a car or a tent. Doesn't make the house, the car or the tent useless.
Great video. Love the setting, it looks like a perfect place to camp, even with the marauding sheep. My sawyer mini water bag thing burst almost immediately after I started using it so I'm always impressed when I see people who still have the original in use!
I’ve been playing around with lightweight gear, lanshan 1 and DD Superlight tarp tents.. the 3FUL backpack I’ve got that you talked about is brilliant I love it
This backpack is Nylon though, where as the QiDian is made from UHMWPE which is off-brand Dyneema. Dyneema is much stronger and more waterproof/doesn’t let water soak in or through at all. But having a frame is probably nice on the larger bag. I’d be curious about a direct comparison, lets say holding a shower on them both for a while and seeing which one performs better in the rain. For science 🤔😅
Wouldn’t be much of an experiment - the NatureHike needs the rain cover. The 3F material is waterproof but the seams aren’t. I think Mr Wild Wales did a comparison of them both recently 👍
I think the Lanshan 1 Plus (double walled tent) works out much better for UK (non-summer) conditions than the Pro. Costs a bit less and only weighs a little more (~200g), but it has better ventilation because no mesh (bug net) around the lower sides and will keep in a couple degrees more heat in the winter.
An eventful camp lol tbh a few years ago I went down the lightweight route and I got my gear down to 6.3kg but wow it was barebones camping and only fit for summer camps.unless your doing really long miles or multi day/week trips then personally for me going that light doesn't work.
@@daleyoutdoors yea my 3 season weight is about 8.5kg my winter is about 12kg it's just those added luxury that makes camping better for me so the additional weight is worth it.
Great vid again Ben 👍👍 was interesting that you mentioned the space between the straps, I to had seen Luke mention it, I know companies do watch and listen to his reviews so possibly they have changed it since he reviewed it, anyway good to see you back out mate 👍👍
I have the original (nylon) version of this backpack, bought two years ago. The space between the straps on top is about 8cm/3", so I doubt they did any changes recently. I think the main issue for Luke from TOGR is simply that the pack is too long for his torso. I'm 185cm/6'1", and have a torso length of 51cm/20", and still the sternum strap sits a bit low. No issues with the shoulder straps though. There really is not much you can do for torso length on this pack. You can move the hip belt about 5cm/2" up or down by loosening the velcro in the sleeve, but that's basically it.
Thanks for the great videos - been enjoying them since the start of the year! Quick question - are you able to share a link to the sleeping pad as the one in the description comes up with a different one? Interested to see how much it costs as I'm looking for to buy one for my first wild camp, but don't want to spend a bomb!
Amazing set up at the cost. You could leave a cheap spork on the top pocket of you rucksack, coat pocket etc for emergency. Re inquisitive sheep, if ‘whoosh’ and ‘shoo’ don’t work you could shout ‘mint sauce’ at them? Take care.
it is always good to start lighter and then add your luxury items so you did well ,im off to the great glen way in 7 days time and taking as long as it takes to do it being a old fart lol my pack is 9.8kg have one change of cloths and 6 meals so hoping ill be warm
@@daleyoutdoors that’s a really kind offer but I can’t let you do that mate, I entered to win the 3F UL pack, but no luck, none of my mates wild camp or do long distance hikes, they all think I’m mad 🤣
Just a quick question. Why light your stove before you have the pot ion place? Loss of heat and energy? They all seem to do it for their videos but for the sake of conserving fuel and packed-out energy, it doesn't make sense. A good wild camp depends on sufficient supplies of food, water and energy. The other stuff is 'to taste'. Thanks for an honest, helpful video.
I went the lightweight route once, couldn't really get on with it, usually average around 12-15, especially when I break out the wood burning stove, not a massive fan of the lan shan, but it is super light, my lightweight tent of choice is the one tigris, tipi nova, I can erect it in under a minute so awesome for bad weather.. Subbed
Cheers Ryan. Yeah my usual weight is 10-12kg though I don’t always weigh it. I was just intrigued to see what all the fuss is about with lighter gear 😁
What diameter is your gas cannisters? I have a few, which are 110mm, which is a pity as the larger Lixada pots are only 100mm, so obviously too small to nest the cannister inside. Maybe there are small cannisters. Currently I just use a small camping pot (from an old set of 3) but there's no lid and I need to carry a wee pot holder too. I really fancied a more modern titanium pot
I would love to be able to go down to that weight , but I carry too much crap which I use ! I need to be more ruthless on my next one and only carry what I really need 😂
I regards to the brook I’m guessing you use the filter for that but is that farmland my worries is chemicals etc I got a filter but I only use it up Brecon never used it local as I’m worried with city rivers/farmland(agriculture)
hi mate the link you put for aliexpress sleep matt doesnt seem to look the same as the one in the vid, can you confirm? looks like a decent mat in the vid!
They stopped making the model I used in this video a while ago. The link takes you to their newer mats now that I’ve been testing for the last couple of months.
Would be interesting to see what setup you could achieve using just the phrase 'affordable budget wild camping kit'- especially these days with the cost of living increases. Can I suggest £100? Is that possible?
Is it correct etiquette to reply to myself? Just to give a top tip and watch t the end of the video before commenting! Looking forward to your expedition with a [redacted so no spoiler] budget!!!!
@@phil.clarke haha of course it is 👍£150-ish was the lowest I could get with kit that’s still usable/quality. Even second hand prices are high at the minute 😬
I would say £100 is achievable (£150 more realistic + more options) but you may want to look for used items and compromise on comfort as well. I picked up a Alps Lynx 1 on Ebay for £40 a while back. It is an amazing tent. You can get budget sleeping bags quite cheap these days (not winter ones of course), and foam mats are pretty inexpensive. Ultimately as long as you keep warm and dry, you are in a good place, and you can achieve this without breaking the bank.
Bought this and disappointed that it's not in any way a genuine 60L in size. Their own stated dimensions for the 60L multiple to 31L (I should have checked that), and the expansion bits are in no way adding another 30L when the main bit is full. I've measured it and filled it and it's nowhere near 60L (yes it's the 60L 1.2kg version). It's *much* smaller than another 60L pack I have, and is actually slightly smaller than a 40L pack I have.
Don't know if you saw my latest review of the 60l pack. It was in response to Lukes review which I found ridiculous. The things he said about it didn't make sense. I even measured all the strap gaps in go outdoors of all the competitors, looked a right wierdo 😂 but they were all the same or narrower. So many people commented on my vid saying the same things about it and how wrong he was. Shame he has the power to ruin a good product just cos he's a dwarf 🤣
Wow! Anything less than 14KG I know I'm in for a boring night Alcohol wise.. and if its summer anything less than 12KG and the same result would occur 🤣😉👍
Thanks for the video mate. I have been trying to cut the weightfrom my gear a bit. Really struggling to find a tent for me, my rucksack and my medium dog. Keep getting pulled toward lanshan but after seeing this I feel like it’s been hyped up way more than it should have been. I currently have a snugpak bunker 3man I think (I already had this so made sense to use it). So could really do with shedding weight from the tent I need one that will stand up to uk weather though.
Hi Stephen! I'd look at the Lanshan 2 non-pro version - loads of space without the condensation issues. Or for non-trekking pole options have a look at the Taiji 2 (check my older videos) or the NatureHike Cloud Peak 2 (I haven't tried one but there are loads of positive reviews on it). Hope that helps! Ben
@@daleyoutdoors hello mate. Thanks for the response. Who would have thought choosing the right tent would be such a nightmare. Yeah it would be for hiking. I will take a look at your recommendations mate. I really appreciate the direction. Thanks again buddy.
Check out my other wild camps here! 👉 th-cam.com/play/PLwsvXEqNunT8km9FgNywqwgg5f9ltfAxM.html
I have the Lanshan 2 Pro & camped out in -2 with my daughter 3 weeks ago, the condensation was ridiculous & our sleeping bags were damp too & kept being dripped on. I bought us each an OEX Bush Bivvi bag (approx 380g & £45) to protect our sleeping bags from the condensation. We just tried them out in the Peak District at -2° in snow but also left the outside doors to the lanshan tied back & just the mesh doors zipped shut, between the bivvy bags & keeping the doors open for better ventilation we had no condensation at all. We also use Osprey Levity 60 bags which weigh about 800g, they are so comfy & we did the 97 mile West Highland Way last summer carrying 12kg & didn't even know I was carrying mine. X
Yes I think air flow is key with these tents. There was no wind on this one and lots of moisture in the air so I had my own rain system going on inside. So glad I had my body bag! I do like the look of the 2 pro for the extra space 👍
@@Chris66able As with most things it fits a purpose. I'll only use it in warmer weather from now on due to the condensation that builds in the wet.
@@Chris66able I asked on a site how to reduce condensation & everyone said it can't be stopped, they get it inside their £800 tents, big branded tents too. It's science, condensation is caused when warm meets cold air, doesn't matter if you're in a house & your windows get condensation, a car or a tent. Doesn't make the house, the car or the tent useless.
Great video. Love the setting, it looks like a perfect place to camp, even with the marauding sheep. My sawyer mini water bag thing burst almost immediately after I started using it so I'm always impressed when I see people who still have the original in use!
I’ve swapped it out for a cnoc bag now 🤓
I’ve been playing around with lightweight gear, lanshan 1 and DD Superlight tarp tents.. the 3FUL backpack I’ve got that you talked about is brilliant I love it
It’s a great quality pack, especially for the price 👍
Can't help thinking that trying to eat with a tent peg would have been TH-cam gold!
Ayup! Looked like a fun camp. The sheep! I like seeing your lightweight gear. Cheers!
Cheers Ben 👍
This backpack is Nylon though, where as the QiDian is made from UHMWPE which is off-brand Dyneema. Dyneema is much stronger and more waterproof/doesn’t let water soak in or through at all. But having a frame is probably nice on the larger bag. I’d be curious about a direct comparison, lets say holding a shower on them both for a while and seeing which one performs better in the rain. For science 🤔😅
Wouldn’t be much of an experiment - the NatureHike needs the rain cover. The 3F material is waterproof but the seams aren’t. I think Mr Wild Wales did a comparison of them both recently 👍
@@daleyoutdoors ah brilliant, thanks for the summary!
Great video Ben, I think you have done well there with the weight mate
Thanks Michael! I could have probably got it a bit lighter but wanted to keep it a bit cheaper 👍
Great film pal👍.
But those sheep,once they could smell the blood on your finger there was no getting rid of them. Viscous sods they are too...😬👍
Vampire sheep! They were just stubborn and kept coming back 😆
I think the Lanshan 1 Plus (double walled tent) works out much better for UK (non-summer) conditions than the Pro. Costs a bit less and only weighs a little more (~200g), but it has better ventilation because no mesh (bug net) around the lower sides and will keep in a couple degrees more heat in the winter.
There's only a 70g difference between the lanshan 1 2021(plus) and the lanshan 1 pro.
I agree it's the better option!
great work! I'm just back from a wild camp in a lanshan 2. cheap chearful and excellent
They’re great tents 👍
@@daleyoutdoors you're a great dude!
nice set up Ben I'm hoping to get down to about 7.5 kg this year but I'd be pleased to get to were you are ,lovely little spot 👍👍
Cheers mate 👍
An eventful camp lol tbh a few years ago I went down the lightweight route and I got my gear down to 6.3kg but wow it was barebones camping and only fit for summer camps.unless your doing really long miles or multi day/week trips then personally for me going that light doesn't work.
I’m I’ll probably stick to 10-12kg for most camps and use this when I’m hiking a bit further 👍
@@daleyoutdoors yea my 3 season weight is about 8.5kg my winter is about 12kg it's just those added luxury that makes camping better for me so the additional weight is worth it.
Great vid again Ben 👍👍 was interesting that you mentioned the space between the straps, I to had seen Luke mention it, I know companies do watch and listen to his reviews so possibly they have changed it since he reviewed it, anyway good to see you back out mate 👍👍
Cheers Mick 👍 Yeah I suspect they’ve updated the design - not that it makes that much difference 😆
I have the original (nylon) version of this backpack, bought two years ago. The space between the straps on top is about 8cm/3", so I doubt they did any changes recently. I think the main issue for Luke from TOGR is simply that the pack is too long for his torso. I'm 185cm/6'1", and have a torso length of 51cm/20", and still the sternum strap sits a bit low. No issues with the shoulder straps though.
There really is not much you can do for torso length on this pack. You can move the hip belt about 5cm/2" up or down by loosening the velcro in the sleeve, but that's basically it.
..cool video keep up the great content.. Thank you…
Your videos are very helpful in my camping experience..you are amazing
Thanks for the great videos - been enjoying them since the start of the year! Quick question - are you able to share a link to the sleeping pad as the one in the description comes up with a different one? Interested to see how much it costs as I'm looking for to buy one for my first wild camp, but don't want to spend a bomb!
I can’t see that specific mat for sale anymore 😕
Excellent, thanks👍
Really like your reviews and more camping with reviews would be great or just camping! 👍😃
Thanks Andrea! I’ve got lots more planned - watch this space 😊
Look forward to seeing you soon. 👍
Great video bud. Great price for the kit you had. Keep up the great work
ATB Adam 👍🏻👍🏻
Cheers Adam 👍
Nice set up Ben and good to see you back out and about. looked like a good second spot, also nice touch waving goodbye to the sheep's 🐏🐑🖕🏼👋🏻🤣
Cheers mate. Bloody sheep 🤣
Good video, really useful for anyone starting out and on a budget. 😀
Thanks 👍
Back in the game! 😂😂😂😂😂
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Cheers guys.. hope made you smile…
Amazing set up at the cost. You could leave a cheap spork on the top pocket of you rucksack, coat pocket etc for emergency. Re inquisitive sheep, if ‘whoosh’ and ‘shoo’ don’t work you could shout ‘mint sauce’ at them? Take care.
Haha yes! How did I forget about mint sauce!? 😆
Good informative video Ben, cheers Pal 😀
Glad it was useful Martin!
it is always good to start lighter and then add your luxury items so you did well ,im off to the great glen way in 7 days time and taking as long as it takes to do it being a old fart lol my pack is 9.8kg have one change of cloths and 6 meals so hoping ill be warm
Sounds good Tom - enjoy it! 👍
Great camp Ben, I think Ive pretty much dialed in my camping setup, just need to get a light pack, not sure between the NatureHike or the 3F UL 🤔👍
Thanks mate. It’s hard to say in the packs as they’re so personal. Do you know anyone with one you could try on?
@@daleyoutdoors I don’t that’s the issue and your rite, it’s such a personal preference, everyone is different 🤔
@@outdooradventure4590 I can send you the NatureHike Rock to try out if you want (as long as you send it back 😄). I gave the 3F UL pack away though.
@@daleyoutdoors that’s a really kind offer but I can’t let you do that mate, I entered to win the 3F UL pack, but no luck, none of my mates wild camp or do long distance hikes, they all think I’m mad 🤣
@@outdooradventure4590 you probably are, but it’s so much fun 🤣The offers there if you change your mind mate 👍
Just a quick question. Why light your stove before you have the pot ion place? Loss of heat and energy? They all seem to do it for their videos but for the sake of conserving fuel and packed-out energy, it doesn't make sense.
A good wild camp depends on sufficient supplies of food, water and energy. The other stuff is 'to taste'.
Thanks for an honest, helpful video.
I find it easier to light without the pot on it. You won’t lose much in the half a second it takes to put the pit on once it’s lit.
I went the lightweight route once, couldn't really get on with it, usually average around 12-15, especially when I break out the wood burning stove, not a massive fan of the lan shan, but it is super light, my lightweight tent of choice is the one tigris, tipi nova, I can erect it in under a minute so awesome for bad weather..
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Cheers Ryan. Yeah my usual weight is 10-12kg though I don’t always weigh it. I was just intrigued to see what all the fuss is about with lighter gear 😁
What diameter is your gas cannisters?
I have a few, which are 110mm, which is a pity as the larger Lixada pots are only 100mm, so obviously too small to nest the cannister inside. Maybe there are small cannisters.
Currently I just use a small camping pot (from an old set of 3) but there's no lid and I need to carry a wee pot holder too. I really fancied a more modern titanium pot
I use a Coleman C100 - I think it's 90mm diameter.
I would love to be able to go down to that weight , but I carry too much crap which I use ! I need to be more ruthless on my next one and only carry what I really need 😂
It’s a worthwhile exercise to show what you actually need 👍
I regards to the brook I’m guessing you use the filter for that but is that farmland my worries is chemicals etc I got a filter but I only use it up Brecon never used it local as I’m worried with city rivers/farmland(agriculture)
I've only used it a couple of times with the Sawyer filter. I usually take water with me as it's mixed land around it.
Thanks for this. Just wondering if you find you get condensation on the inside of the 3f bivy? Cheers.
I haven’t had any at all so far Paul. The Tyvek material is seems very breathable. I’ve only used it twice though.
Been looking for a new bag and was having a look at these and the vango ozone. Would you recommend this bag.
It’s definitely worth a look. Check out a few other reviews on here. I haven’t used it enough to give a proper verdict yet.
hi mate the link you put for aliexpress sleep matt doesnt seem to look the same as the one in the vid, can you confirm? looks like a decent mat in the vid!
They stopped making the model I used in this video a while ago. The link takes you to their newer mats now that I’ve been testing for the last couple of months.
Looked a decent spot mate. Take the dog next time wont have a sheep issue again😂👍
Haha true. I’d have a ‘dog going mental at the fluffy meals on legs’ issue though 😂
Would be interesting to see what setup you could achieve using just the phrase 'affordable budget wild camping kit'- especially these days with the cost of living increases. Can I suggest £100? Is that possible?
As I said at the end of the video - my next camp will be using a full setup that cost £150 👍
Is it correct etiquette to reply to myself? Just to give a top tip and watch t the end of the video before commenting! Looking forward to your expedition with a [redacted so no spoiler] budget!!!!
@@phil.clarke haha of course it is 👍£150-ish was the lowest I could get with kit that’s still usable/quality. Even second hand prices are high at the minute 😬
I would say £100 is achievable (£150 more realistic + more options) but you may want to look for used items and compromise on comfort as well. I picked up a Alps Lynx 1 on Ebay for £40 a while back. It is an amazing tent. You can get budget sleeping bags quite cheap these days (not winter ones of course), and foam mats are pretty inexpensive. Ultimately as long as you keep warm and dry, you are in a good place, and you can achieve this without breaking the bank.
Can't stand any tent that uses a stick to hold it up. Much prefer a proper tent. By the way love your videos and your informative site.
Bought this and disappointed that it's not in any way a genuine 60L in size. Their own stated dimensions for the 60L multiple to 31L (I should have checked that), and the expansion bits are in no way adding another 30L when the main bit is full. I've measured it and filled it and it's nowhere near 60L (yes it's the 60L 1.2kg version). It's *much* smaller than another 60L pack I have, and is actually slightly smaller than a 40L pack I have.
How is the Aliexpress sleeping mat? Does it still hold up over time or worth buying an exped?
I don’t think you can buy this one now.
Should have whittled a spork from that dead tree using the opinel 😂
I didn’t have time I was getting hangry 😂
I wonder if lanshan 1 holds better in winds than 2 men version?
I’d guess they’d be quite similar. As long as you pitch then we’ll they’re pretty solid. I wouldn’t take either out in high winds though.
Any tent bar that one
Ok - can you tell us what’s wrong with it? Might help others out who are considering it.
@@daleyoutdoors yes please!
Don't know if you saw my latest review of the 60l pack. It was in response to Lukes review which I found ridiculous. The things he said about it didn't make sense. I even measured all the strap gaps in go outdoors of all the competitors, looked a right wierdo 😂 but they were all the same or narrower. So many people commented on my vid saying the same things about it and how wrong he was. Shame he has the power to ruin a good product just cos he's a dwarf 🤣
Yeah it's a shame he can taint what seems to be a decent product (so far, for the price). Far too much power for one dwarf to handle.
@@daleyoutdoors I think he's still upset his 6 mates buggered off and left him in the forest.
Wow! Anything less than 14KG I know I'm in for a boring night Alcohol wise.. and if its summer anything less than 12KG and the same result would occur 🤣😉👍
6.4kg base weight leaves 7.6kg for food and beer 😆
@@daleyoutdoors Base weight Schmaight weight.... 🙄 🤣
I have a question why call thenm trousers?
Why call what trousers?
@@daleyoutdoors rain pants
@@Joker52186 they’re called trousers in the UK.
@@daleyoutdoors I have asked lot's of people why never got a straight answer why there called that
@@Joker52186 From Gaelic or Middle Irish "triubhas" from the 16th century
In the UK "pants" means underwear
You're welcome
Less than £500? Certain other channels spend that on the sleeping system alone....
It's easily done 😆
Not happy successful camp this time 😕 maybe on the next camp mate
Don’t get me wrong I really enjoyed it. It’s always an adventure 😆
I'm a dwarf. My body is 21 inches so no problem...oh you said torso. Goddammit...Mountain Warehouse 10L it is again then.
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100% this guy needs to learn how to carve a stick into a eating utensil/chop sticks
No time for that when hunger strikes 😆
I can be bothered...
To what?
@@daleyoutdoors to subscribe. You said to subscribe if we can be bothered. I enjoy your content and sense of humor.
@@robs4516 ah yes! Totally forgotten I’d said that 🤣 cheers Rob 👍
Lost interest in this video when I saw the rubbish tent being used
Which tent would you go for?
lol, lot of ppl mock this tent suddenly here, what happened?
Tent is American
So wouldn't buy an American product ever
It's Chinese.
Thanks for the video mate. I have been trying to cut the weightfrom my gear a bit. Really struggling to find a tent for me, my rucksack and my medium dog. Keep getting pulled toward lanshan but after seeing this I feel like it’s been hyped up way more than it should have been. I currently have a snugpak bunker 3man I think (I already had this so made sense to use it). So could really do with shedding weight from the tent I need one that will stand up to uk weather though.
Hi Stephen! I'd look at the Lanshan 2 non-pro version - loads of space without the condensation issues. Or for non-trekking pole options have a look at the Taiji 2 (check my older videos) or the NatureHike Cloud Peak 2 (I haven't tried one but there are loads of positive reviews on it). Hope that helps! Ben
@@daleyoutdoors hello mate. Thanks for the response. Who would have thought choosing the right tent would be such a nightmare. Yeah it would be for hiking. I will take a look at your recommendations mate. I really appreciate the direction. Thanks again buddy.