Society decides what's appropriate and what's not. He is just old fashioned and can0t wrap his head around the fact that people nowadays put a lot less value on the little things. They no longer think a suit is gonna make you a better man or a better professional. It's actually a sign of advanced thinking, because you finally realize what's really important and what's not. A suit isn't. He feels better wearing it because he isn't comfortable with himself, hence the need to do his maximum to try to improve his looks. Therefore, he wll criticize those who don't do the same. It's a pretty normal human behaviour. You make a choice, and one way to put even more value in your choice is to look down on those who don't do the same. He says men dress like children. Well, perhaps we're simply more open minded now and no longer think certain clothes are just for kids and certain clothes are just for adults. Like i said, it's advanced thinking. Less bullshit, more practicality. If you can be happy and successful in a t-shirt, why go through all the trouble of putting on something much less comfortable, much more expensive, that will take considerably more time of your day? That's not logical in any way.
Two of the best pieces of advice I learned when I was a young man - "Always leave the house looking your best - no matter where you're going," and "dress for the job you want, not the job you have."
I can kinda relate. I rarely get dressed up in a suit unless it's for a job interview. I ended up running into a friend of mine who is always well dressed, on my way to an interview. He told me he liked how I looked and encouraged me to wear a suit and tie more often. I took his advice, I don't dress up as often, but I feel better in a suit than in a regular t-shirt and jeans.
@@ravenclaw783 i think that is not what it means. I'm only 20, and a student, so i don't have a lot of money, but when i buy clothes, i try to take my time and buy quality ! "Manners maketh man" , words to live by, taking care of your look, is a part of the respect you have for yourself and for others.
I think Jordan hit the nail on the head with the story about his father. People dress up to see Jordan speak as a sign of respect and to mark the occasion as an important event in their lives. The choice to formalise the evening has an intention about it, that you're there to take the information and the man seriously.
@bobby macallister . So why are you here following his "dumb right-wing Babel"?¿? Seems like you would spend your time better listening to ESPN or ESPN TH-cam to figure out what's the best over-under and spreads are for the next game & listening to why billionaires and mega millionaires are racist toward millionaires in their employ.
Na this is all a lot of mental masturbation, which is kind of ironic from a psychologist, just as your notions and bias towards Jordan is a lot of mental masturbation going on in your own head. This all just speaks to western bias as well and Jordan's own cultural bias, men who only feel comfortable in suits or certain clothing are restrained on some level. Not that I am saying you should not dress up and make an effort, but the idea that it matters so much or is of importance is trivial to say the least.
Dressing up is not always about impressing others but it's about having respect for yourself, your position,the event you're at and expressing your style.
i mean, whats more "respect for yourself"? wearing the same classy attire as everyone else to try fit in with the occasion? or having the courage to dress the way you want, get weird stares and not care? Guess what? the wrong answer doesn't exist...your perspective and opinion exists though.
I learned that the word "consequence" simply means "result", not necessarily the negative connotation that often comes with it. At every turn, I learn something new with Jordan Peterson.
@@ExMachina70 LOL. Not sure why 'events that occur through previous events' would necessarily be negative, or positive. Thinking that all consequential events would be negative probably says more about your life, than it does about the word or the world. It seems like depression.
I was hired at Disney at one of its entry positions. I wore a suit for 6 weeks. When we graduated from customer service class, everyone automatically thought I was already a manager - when I presented with a promotion after 2 weeks of graduating. Dress for the position you want.
I'm so glad someone as influential as Jordan is spreading this message: you're an ambassador of yourself, your family, religion, people, city, country, etc. So dress like it with dignity and honor and intention
@@joeyondakeys dressing up helps with own confidence and people, ofcourse dress up according to the occasion at hand . Like you cant say oh mu anxiety , ill just wear a jeans and stained tshirt to a funeral, or your own wedding, or some important meeting maybe……
As a lifelong construction worker this rings a bell It never hurts to look professional and take pride in your boots tools or work I feel like it goes hand in hand . My two cents from a blue collar .
My dad was a cardiologist and is now passed away. He wore a suit every single day. As children, we never saw him that he wasn't wearing at least a tie.
The Elite rulers who control the world - place their influencers into society - mostly via Student groups and in certain media - to change perception of the people - In most cases the result of the controlled manipulation creates an economical advantage for the controlling Elite and to a lesser degree fro the 'paid' influencers who infiltrate many areas of society and whose job it is to change the culture. What has largely been created is a society of modern-day peasants. Mass-produced cheap clothing where the people who make it are paid in cents per garment - NOT Dollars -- these make huge profits for the retailers' Manufacturers and distributors - and a pittance for the workers. The clothing is NOT always sold to the consumer at the lowest price - It only appears inexpensive to the better quality products that create a social gap between the have(s) and the Have Not(s) This is all done intentionally - People are being constantly manipulated by the Elite Rulers. PSYOPS have been conducted for well over a century. Having served in the Military for 30 years - I wore a uniform most of the time - and that had to be perfect in every way to a specific standard. One would spend an hour just polishing one shoe boot. I had Canadian Brass on my uniform and it was a shiny as polished Gold.
As a six figure blue collar worker I find dressing homeless looking beneficial. No one ever asks you for money or favors if they think you’re worse off than them. That being said, I wouldn’t mind wearing suits if I didn’t live in florida
i think places like florida and all the big shots moving there is a reason for this. i had a teacher who said she never saw ppl out in public in flip flops until she moved to florida, but its so hot you need to here.
Everyone is so caught up in the suit thing. The overall point they’re making is don’t look like a bum. There nothing wrong with a collared shirt and nice pants. Just try not to look like a bum and take pride in how you look.
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As someone that makes too many figures to count I agree. - Said no one
“Everyone dresses down so they look like overgrown 10 year olds” I feel some relief hearing him say this because sometimes I look at people that get so much hype for their “clout” or their “drip” and I feel like I’d look and feel like a clown if I wore the same thing. I always feel like maybe I just don’t care enough to keep up with the fashion trends but maybe I just genuinely dislike most of the trends going on today.
The illusion of cloutness or dripness is in itself a trap of limited identity, don’t fall like a prey, hunt for the prey ! which is a process in the self
I used to hate dressing up but nowadays always feel good and more confident when I put on a shirt and tie. It's as much about self respect as it is about respect for others. This matters at any age, even for 65 year old like myself. When I see so many people dressed up like chavs, I despair, but I think there is now a movement towards more classical dressing, which is to be welcomed.
@@jwolf267if you’re wearing a tie to appear more successful to strangers and that type of clothing is not in common with what you do for work, yes it is nonsense. But let all these inspired men walk around urban zones dressed up nice reaping all the benefits of real men who wear overalls and provide food and build the world for them.
Just a simple little thing as you increasing your appearance and presentation helped build/change your mindset. That’s great and an awesome story. I read a few years ago that. . . You don’t get paid by the hour you get paid the value you bring to the hour. That change d my whole perspective and outlook of hourly wage labor.
@@_VISION. bla bla bla(sorry for that not feeling great for as a excuse to use unappropriate words) there is always common we are not so very different from each other dude............
When you dress up and especially stand out from the crowd you just automatically get respect. And that’s a fact. Never be average. Screw what people think, or if there dressing down. Always dress one above everyone else. Trust me
@@potbellyfatguyfromnewyorkcity so everyone who’s wearing a suit, has to be worth 1 million dollars? Lol. Nothing wrong with dressing up to feel good mate. Most business guys who work in an office make average salaries a year.
Or you look like that guy dressed like a rapper, except that he’s not a rapper. Just comes off as an insecure imposter worried about what everyone thinks.
As a woman, I absolutely LOVE to see a man dressed up. Even if he's casual but well put together, clean, manicured and confident, its a great attractor ❤
I hate the term "well put together " wtf is that supposed to mean? Most guys in suits can't do a dmn thing! I bet they call AAA when a tire blows. Or use cleaning people to clean their house. I doubt they would even change a diaper.
Your Father said EXACTLY what I said and lived as a Teacher. Students liked it. Parents appreciated it. Teachers were astonished. I enjoyed it. It said: I am a Professional and what I do is important.
I generally like to dress up. However, sometimes it’s really nice to dress down as a way to hide into the background when I don’t feel like talking to people.
based on your statement, you only talk to people when you dress up? If you dress down, you don't feel like talking to people? Doesn't make sense to me. Clothes doesn't determine if a person wants to talk to people or not. Overall, it's usually the mood of the person.
Its not expensive to dress nicely. Target button up shirt(fitted $22), Target fitted suit ($160). Ross/Marshall's Bow tie($12) I've had expensive suits, but here is the cheat code. If you're in phenomenal shape, everything looks good on you. I have this Tshirt($11) , that's ironically from Target and it's a "Superbad Mclovin" Tshirt. I get more compliments on that shirt than much more expensive clothes. Stay in shape. That way you can wear any and everything. Out of shape people look so uncomfortable.
This presentation made me think. To your point, you’re absolutely right. Why do us as men dress like we’re still in high school? Jeans, sneakers, and hoodies. Instead of dress shoes, slacks, and sports coats. In the military I felt a sense of honor when I wore dress blues. I think as men we need to reboot our wardrobes and update our definition of fashion. Dressing for success speaks volumes.
Life is often suffering and discomfort. If wearing what I feel comfortable in helps me to deal with that, I will continue to do so. Dress shoes are stupid and uncomfortable. Good supportive footwear should be worn at all times. Sport coats are ridiculous. A simple good quality shirt is all one needs.
We do it because sneakers and hoodies are comfortable, its that simple Who is it that defined that men have to wear shirts and ties and suits? Its just bs you were contidioned to believe...
@@jacobwalsh1888 I dress up all the time, and I feel that dress clothes are every bit as comfortable as normal casual clothes. Maybe I'm just used to it, but I don't see how wearing a sports coat is uncomfortable at all unless you're wearing it in extremely hot temperatures. As far as shoes, you don't have to buy dress shoes, you can buy leather sneakers or boots that provide the same level of comfort, but give a classier appearance.
@jrbobdobbs5516 I don't wear a suit in the summer obviously, but there are still ways to look good. When it's hot, I usually wear a short-sleeved button-down shirt or a short-sleeved Henley. In my opinion, both look better than a t-shirt AND feel better than a t-shirt. No one is saying you have to do this. You can wear jorts and a t-shirt like John Cena if that works for you. However, I often hear men complaining about how they don't get attention from women, but then when people give them advice, they get irritable and start listing off the reasons for why they can't do what was just recommended.
My first job in IT only required a company branded polo or button down. I took it a step further, wearing the button down exclusively and also always wearing a tie with it (I was the only one who chose to wear a tie). For the 3 years I worked at that company, I was the fastest rising employee on the help desk, receiving a promotion and several large raises. Many people who only wore the bare minimum attire also presented a bare minimum attitude and therefore received bare minimum compensation.
So: Externally: symbolizes that you're not average Internally: makes you feel that the job is important and therefore that reflects in the work that you do
It is always more comfortable to be overdressed than underdressed. When you are overdressed, you can go places that you cannot go when you are underdressed, but it is not reversible.
It's always a wonderful feeling to hear someone talking about something, using all the same reasoning and sometimes the same words and phrases like you used yourself.
@@pixelfan8792 Peterson does occasionally produce sentences that contain not only words, but some meaning, and yes, a few of them actually make some sense. He isn't as stupid as a rock. He is more like a sack of apples. It's his fanbouys who are the sack of rocks.
I think the tech industry has really shaped our way of dressing more than anything. Suddenly, we have all these highly skilled professionals who dress like they’re working from home and the old paradigm is broke. It became apparent that the clothes don’t necessarily add value to the bottom line.
It depends on your role. It's like having a uniform. You wouldn't wear a suit working at McDonald's or being a lumberjack. A good uniform for coding is something more casual. But the guys in the legal department were not wearing T-shirts most likely. Depends on the particular company's culture as well. But yeah, siting in front of a computer and coding for 8 hours in a 3 piece suit doesn't really make sense.
I don't know whether this is a joke or a fact: "Whenever you see a room full of men in suits with one guy wears only denim and t-shirt, that guy is either the IT guy or the owner."
@@tonygrowley5275 dressing well isn't just putting on a suit. It's to wear a jeans or a trouser that fits and t-shirt or a shirt that matches. No one wears suit all the time.
My dad always dressed nice, even to go grocery shopping. One day he's shopping in Walmart North Idaho, wearing his usual dress shirt, sweater best, wool jacket and slacks. They clerk recognizes him and asks what kind of work he does. He said he's in real estate, she answers "you look like a professor". 90% of customers were wearing sweats, puffy vests, athletic shoes, messy hair, no make-up etc. My dad was 80, still working managing his office building but shopped at Walmart to save money. Everything in his closet he bought on sale at Macy's. Always fit, 32" waist and well dressed. Makes a huge difference
Meh, substance is more important than form. I prefer competent, smart and efficient people over good looking well dressed ones. I guess it depends on who is in power to decide who can go further; I'm part of a younger generation and I don't care much about form as long as the person is competent, honest and trustworthy. I've even come across the counter example: this dude was over dressing and using extensive vocabulary and in effect wasn't that competent, just a good confident talker. I didn't keep him long and was a bit ashamed that I had fallen in his trap and hired him to begin with, all because he presented himself so well.
I like how he cuts straight to the heart of "fashion" as a psychological need for the wealthy to disassociate themselves from the working class, and the working class' simultaneous emulation of them.
You don’t have to dress formally, but you either put in an effort or you don’t. In my opinion, these things are momentum based, so when you start putting effort into stuff like this, it tends to be easier to apply that effort to other parts of your life. It’s a behaviour pattern of doing more than the bare minimum.
What do you mean by effort? It takes the same effort to pull on a pair of jeans as it does suit trousers. Shoes the same. Adding a tie is a little extra but not a lot extra. I don't see it as measure of "effort". I see it as a measure of "ego".
I can fully agree with what is said here. I'm a technician but self educated, I get dirty so the engineers dont have to. I have young children as well so I have never felt the need to dress any more professional than just a simple solid colored t-shirt and jeans. I have noticed that I get treated inferior to others when I dress casually on a regular basis. But when I clean up, wash my face and trim my beard and remove the oils from my nails, put on a nice suit and get the expensive watch out and then drive my wife's nice car ( I ride a motorcycle), people treat me better and talk to me with respect. They let me have their seat and even sometimes even open doors for me. Its weird how materialistic objects or fabrics can dictate how others perceive you. Then the next day im back in my dirty clothes covered in oil and im back to being a nobody. The funny thing is that I probably make more money than alot of them realize.
It sounds fake but that’s exactly true. You gain respect from people when you dress up. You get compliments that wouldn’t happen if you were just dressed normal. This has happened to me sooo many times when I dress up nice.
I just recently started dressing up more to go to University and this happened to be recommended for me lol, thanks for the reenforcement! It definitely feels better to dress respectably in society, you feel more productive and positive about yourself.
@@captahab6370 thats a half a step down from a full suit and tie imo but i think its awesome that you did that. How did it feel? How did others respond? Were there haters? Do you think it influenced your ability to make friends/hookup for better or for worse?
@@justadude117X mm, confidence boost I would say. But I’m still me lol. In terms of others reactions, ppl who knew me before were mostly supportive/impressed. But ppl who didn’t, well it’s just who I am to them 😅, they can like it or not. But there are a few smirks and sneers once and awhile, but that’s that. 🤷🏻♂️
@@captahab6370 college is a great place to make connections which could be advantageous later on. Dressing smart as well as having a positive & professional attitude will leave a lasting impression on those around you.
It is no different to being in a cake shop and seeing a beautifully decorated cake and a bland plain sponge. Which would you choose? One can also see the difference in perception from how the average Man dresses how shabby a vagrant dresses -- And naturally one has a lower perception of value of the vagrant simply because of the way that they dress -- It is not their fault that they dress like that as they cannot afford to maintain them-self However - the point is how one is perceived by the standard of clothing - behavior and the language used - By language I mean the specific choice of words and how the words are delivered. I recall speaking with the wife of a Sydney Jeweller who specializes in selling and mining precious stone - She met her husband when he was visiting Thailand - and said that she chose him because he was well dressed / well presented. Her words were 'Always dress well and sharp - You never know who you will meet - and the presentation can make a big change in one's future.
There's something about dressing up and the confidence it gives you when running your business, especially during difficult times. Looking the part is half the battle.
Very good video. I'm doing the female version of that. I recently switched to wearing dresses and skirts 100% of the time now and I love it. 😀 What most people don't realize is that all over the world before the 1960s, women wore dresses exclusively and men word suits exclusively, even when just going to the grocery store or barber shop. This dressing down culture started with the rebellion of the 1960s and spread all over the world through American TV. Then jeans and t shirts became the thing, then sagging pants and ripped pants etc. We all need to go back to dressing up to have more self respect. 😊
As a guy, I literally can no remember at all the last time I say a woman wearing a dress. I mean that with most seriousness. It says something about the time and culture we are in when you cannot remember women actually wear dressed. So I applaud you for taking the step and switching for yourself and being that ambassador of style.
We all? Speak for yourself, goat. The man dressing as he wants, there is no standarts here. You want have self respect? - cool, but its sad, that the only way you can expierence that is by wearing a fking skirt and not taking admirable actions. Quit using emojis tho, youre cringe
Thats nice to hear. I havent seen any women or girls weaing a skirt or a dress since the beginning of the 2020 coronavirus pandemic. Im an 18 year old man whos young and graduated HS back in late May. This is gonna be a long paragraph but I will give you some insight as to how I dress: I still wear jeans and t shirts of an artist that I like, but Ive been wearing plain t shirts, clean zip up or button up jackets, with tailored jeans, sunglasses, and clean sneakers (Im a sneakerhead so Im familar with what shoes I should be wearing to be comfortable and look nice) and I’ll the keep the minimum amount of logos on my outfits to 3. I have to wear hats since its hot in Florida and I like to wear dark colors, but I usually switch between dark or colors that arent too bright and I feel great since this what I like to wear because I’m my own person who isnt afraid of being myself.
Time Travel kudos to you!! I recently retired after 20 years at a company I was not required to dress up but wore a shirt and tie every day I did it more for myself than to impress anyone I actually felt only half dressed without a tie I Constantly received complements from women for my "put together "look . Even in retirement I wear collared shirts and chinos rather than ts and jeans most of the time I'm a political moderate to liberal so it's not nostalgia for a "better day" motivating me just pride in myself and respect for others keep at it and don't let anyone intimidate you out of dressing well
Monday - Friday I do a suit or sports jacket and slacks, weekends jeans or shorts. I like both equally but I have to admit the ladies seem to like the suits better lol.
I have to 'dress up' in business clothing before I go to school for the morning, then I head to the office. I always feel awkward and out of place amongst my classmates as they all wear sweat shirts and pants, baggy ripped jeans and such. I don't intend to sound judgemental, but the majority look like they've just rolled out of bed. Listening to this made me feel much better, thank you gents!
Classmates are not the ones deciding your grades. I'm retired but applied for a part-time job to stay busy and bring in a little extra. One of the first questions was about my GPA. I graduated college in 1972, and that number is still following me around. Impress the people who determine your future, and your baggy pants classmates will end up working for you.
When I was in first year of undergrad, I saw so many people show up to write exams in the evening in pyjamas and onesies. It was honestly kind of sad. I get people like comfort in clothing, but it looks bad when some of the professors and grad students dress the same way lol. If you want comfort in tailored clothing, try something single-breasted, made of a really lightweight fabric with unstructured or soft shoulders. A jacket like this with a canvassed construction, paired with handsewn armholes, shoulders and sleeves feels like a second skin, and moves with you. There's this assumption that men's tailored jackets have to be stuffy, uncomfortable and overly formal which can't be farther from the truth.
Put on the clothes you feel most yourself into. Dress up, dress down. Do what most feels comfortable to you. I'm typing this from Milan, the fashion capital of the world.
So you're saying all the tradesmen who work hard and don't wear a suit in the off hours are not grownups? Some of the most grownup people I know don't wear suits.
working-class people in my family have always worn overalls, t shirts boots or dirty jeans. we typically didn't trust dudes in suits or ties in my neighborhood when I was a kid. I think dressing casually has a huge element of class involved.
I'm also a teacher at a high school. I used to dress up sharp for school out of respect for the children. I even ironed my own clothes because I'm single. I did it for several years. But I found out that the children treat you with the same disrespect regardless of how you dress.
I used to be a bouncer, at nicer night clubs. On a vacation in Thailand I bought 5 tailor made suits + xx shirts, ties and so on and started wearing at work. We usually had black windbreakers with "Security" the night club gave us, and the first night someone said "you cant work like that?" Sure I can, I have my badge visible, complying with the law, nobody is going to mistake me for a customer... Within weeks I was promoted and had a pretty nice "career" working high end nightclubs for a few years. And my employer told me straight: Its because of the suit, its looks GREAT, and you wear it good. People love it.
I like dressing up when it's called for. And dressing up shows respect for the other person too! You often feel better about yourself dressing up than dressing down. And get usually more respect from people by looking stylish than down dressing! Great channel.
I partially agree with him; I was brought up in boarding schools since a very very young age. I wore a uniform since first grade. Grey slacks, white shirts, tie, jacket and loafers. From first to 12 grade. I was in the military after that and uniforms is the norm. Then I went to work in three piece suits in all shades of grey for a very long time…now I refuse to wear anything that resembles a formal attire. I feel at ease even if dramatically underdresses compared to the rest of the crowd. But If at any point I were to feel the need to dress up to par, I would.
I've always "dressed down" I think in part because of working as a mechanic, and always being ready to fix something, "out of time". Watching this, I realized part has always been "confronting the formal I didn't like", our father was professional and always wore a suit, and I had many years of trying not to be like him, in large because I've always been so much like. Rebellion is a powerful factor, I spent two decades a marine, and the feeling of my "greens or particularly my blues" was always something that makes on stand up straighter, look around and fit the occasion, and I do feel the need to get a new suit because I've not done so in a decade. Very interesting talk.
My dad is a welder and a machinist but everything he wears is tidy and well put together. Even in his work wear he doesn't look sloppy. Always advices me to look as best as I can, even in very casual settings
every high paying blue collar job interview I went to, i was specificially told NOT to dress up. dress up how you'd expect to work in. if you a mechanic, i was told to dress like one. safety boots, blue jeans and polo short sleeve. because expect to get dirty and you don't do that in a suit. I'd say dress for the job not for the party.
@@wolu9456 I know a guy who wanted to get employed as a truck driver and went at the job interview dressed business( suit and tie). The interviewer told him they are not hiring anyone at the office 😃😃 He was not seen as a good fit for a truck driver.
I live in the woods of Western Washington. I wear a tweed jacket, waistcoat, button down shirt and slacks with field boots, daily. My manners are polite and polished, but not snobbish at all. My wife appreciates this. Its how i show how much i respect her and cherish her. The ravens, elk and otters recognize me in the woods and dont panic or run away. Its rather a nice feeling. I go to town 2 or 3 times a month, about 50 miles away, the shop keepers and clerks remember me and are polite and friendly. Some have remarked that i look as if i have stepped out of an earlier time.
I am 17 now and still wear suits casually like mostly the 3 piece suits (Thanks to peaky blinders) I felt really good and new about myself, I love to see this fashion come back like the 1930s - 1960s and seeing 18 - 25 year olds wear suits as a casual thing makes me know that im not alone in this fashion and I hate it when everyone says "It feels uncomfortable) it all depends on the material you use for each weather and I use wool for winter and Cotton for hot weathers and I also dress up more in old money style too but I think this fashion should return.
Hey, i just wanted to say that you definitely aren’t alone in this, i’m 16, going on 17, and i’ve been fascinated in this sort of style since i was 13 when i first laid my eyes upon a dark green tweed suit that my grandfather had since he was young. I’ve always figured that, contrary to what most people think, you CAN wear ties/suits casually, and I do wear them casually every day, constantly trying to improve on my style. Respect to you, sir!
@@CampbellsDiaryVA I respect you too, and ye the old movies really fascinated me because men back than really showed their masculinity through suits and not through undershirt with leather jacket and tight blue jeans. I didnt see anything masculine in that but when you look at men from 1940s it shows how really masculine they were and Jordan is right men started dressing up like High school or 10 year old kids, we really lost the masculine fashion now sadly...
I've been a huge advocate of 'dressing up' for years. Other men who shun it get insecure and ridicule you for it initially, but once they get into a pair of SHOES and not trainers - or get a smart coat - they get it ASAP.
SeriousMcnegative If only you were an advocate for writing and speaking proper English and writing/saying I have instead of bastardizing the language to I've - We've - they've This is Common Street English - which traditionally is the language of peasants. People have been indoctrinated to speak a peasant variety of English. This is very low-level English - it also serves to create a social gap between the educated and the uneducated classes. This is is by design and the people generally have not noticed - and accepted placing them-self into the 15th-century peasant class. It has become the 'Normal' for them because they have not known any better
@@andrew_koala2974 If you are implying that being a "peasant" is somehow worth less than being more fortunate, there's something really fucked up in your value hierarchy. Using noble language doesn't make anyone any better than somebody else. It's also very arbitrary: I could easily pick on, for example, British people for not knowing how to speak more than one language. Here in the Nordic countries almost everyone knows from two to three.
You ever watch those vintage videos of daily life in the 40s-60s or whenever. I always notice the comments stating that people back then dressed better and acted more courteous. I wonder though, how many of those same people dress and present themselves the very same way they dislike. It’s like disliking when people wear pajamas to the grocery store but what do they themselves do? Wear pajamas to the grocery store. Be the change you wish to see. Dress up when you go out if that’s what you’d like to see. It could encourage others to do the same.
Another interesting point I'd like to raise, is that I've noticed a lot of young children, even as young as 8-10 year olds, are dressing more "grown up". For example, the number of (what has to be) 10 year old girls I see out in public, often wearing one pieces or dresses that are commonly designed for models or adults is staggering - it's actually really disturbing. I know the current fashion climate is one of sexuality; exposing skin, showing "confidence" and "owning oneself" by exposure, but the fact that children are being influenced by this is not good. I personally blame social media and a lack of parental discipline to be the core of this. So it seems to me that adults are dressing "down" towards childishness, whereas children are dressing up towards... well I don't know. What is it exactly?
its that people want to look stylish/sexy and not formal, and they can't grasp what is more important in life, being formal or stylish/sexy... and most people are shapeless blobs so the only thing they can do is completely cover up in FORMAL attire... but formal attire isn't fun or sexy or really that stylish, and so they go casual. casual blobs right next to the fit, shapely, and fun stylish/sexy crowd.
I have a 2yo. The amount of toddler kids clothes that make them look like mini adults really frustrates me. I miss the days when you could easily find children’s clothing that are sweet and innocent, a reflection of their childhood
Not trying to argue, but what makes that reasonable? If you go to other countries, many times the women and their little girls will be wearing very similar dresses. I think clothing preferences are more cultural than anything.
@@TheAlibabatree frankly, i totally agree. maybe not to the formality of suit and tie -- but watching 40 year old's trounce around the office in flip-flops and T-shirts is degrading to the rest of us. I dress better than some of these people to mow the lawn or wash the dog.
@@iluvcakes19 still do. You can buy clothes and get the “mini version” of the same polo shirt or dress shirt for your baby, so you can dress alike in birthdays or christmas LOL
Dressing up was a concept that I really hated compared to other Jordan Peterson topics that I am pretty receptive too. Perhaps I feel as if I hadn't had anyone teach me how to dress well in the past. I finally came to the realization that my social image would benefit by spending some time researching better T-Shirt designs and spend some money to revamp my wardrobe. I didn't want to dress like a kid anymore as Dr. Peterson explains. My shirts just came in and I'm excited to try them out.
I enjoy it. The compliments, the respect and the business contacts has been the result. I dressed like garbage throughout my life. Never knew that your belt must match your shoes. The cufflinks. And my insatiable desire for monk strap shoes. To dress properly has made my daughter respect me, as well as even my ex wife. I owe J. P. so much.
it's so funny he says this, I actually started having a lot of thoughts about my clothes and image as I got closer to 30 and it really confused me because I wasn't sure how to present myself, I still looked like a kid, dressed like the kids, which got me treated like a kid. As soon as I began dressing nice for the occasions and putting effort into presenting myself as a collected adult, not only did I get treated like an ADULT but others looked too me as an example.
crazy you say that cuz i been thinkin bout that a lot the past few years to the point i be on pinterest and checkin out the suits and looking to change my wardrobe. of course i will still have a few articles of clothes to dress down in but i am def with you with changing it up for the better. and even that thought has been changing my approach with cars also since im a car guy. i don't find japanese cars appealing anymore like i used to when i was younger. now i want clean euro cars and thats not to say japanese cars dont have a clean fleet, its just my preferences have changed
Not really…ive dressed up well, even better than the CEO. Makes no difference….i perfer comfortability and peak performance. 😂😂😂😂 already in multiple trades milking it as I chill. In a suit, i cannot do this
I really like Jordan Peterson’s content. He’s a pretty practical guy who speaks on things from an objective point of view typically. To hear that he sees men in t shirts and shorts for example as oversized kids is hilarious. I strongly disagree but I think people should be allowed to loosely judge people subjectively on public platforms without being cancelled so I’m all for this kind of conversation.
Yeah, his views on this topic are a bit ridiculous. Even if I'm wearing a t-shirt with jeans, I don't dress like I did when I was a kid. The t-shirt is plain and fits perfectly, the jeans are the perfect fit, waist size, and length, everything is color coordinated and so on. The suit to me is largely just compensation. You get to pretend you're sophisticated and put together without necessarily being those things. And it gives men a more rectangular shape with more square shoulders and hides obesity (look at Trump in his tennis attire) so it's something similar to the woman's push up bra. I'm usually a fan, but Dr. Peterson often just likes to rationalize why we should uphold tradition for the sake of his own traditional preferences.
Err.... I disagree. In fact, it may imply that you have little to no self esteem to begin with - or may lead to that. It's like women who always wear make-up - after a while, they become so attached to it, that they always feel ugly whenever they don't have it on - leading to very low self esteem. It's like bald dudes who always wear hats.
@@realitycheck1086 To be fair a hat usually does look better on a bald dude lol. But I think you're right that one doesn't have to tie their self worth to how they look.
Do what feels comfortable but what makes you feel good. If you want to wear a suit, wear a suit. Or whatever. Don't worry about anyone else. Just do you.
@@joeybonin7691 Anyone who says "just do you" has already conformed completely. Conrad is the manifestation of what's wrong with every generation. Young people always think they are special and unique and somehow know something new. Every generation conforms when it rebels. In the 90s there was grunge and flannel shirts; the last 10 years it's been skinny jeans and tattoos. Every generation has a "look" because the herd instinct is very strong with over 90 percent of the population. Most try to express their individuality by doing things that are identical to their peers because few have the confidence to be truly counter to the herd in any significant way.
I’m early 30s but have always enjoyed dressing smart, even when I get funny looks around the place I live because very few people dress like that here, even when going out for a nice meal etc. Office dress codes have gotten more casual in the decade since I started my career and the pandemic and working from home has turbo charged that. But I love pulling on a suit, tie and pocket square, I don’t care if it’s seen as old fashioned or stuck up or whatever these days, like the guy on the left here says, I too feel more confident and happier when I’m dressed smart and showing my best out to the world. I also feel like when I’m working I’m an ambassador for myself, the office and organisation I represent, so I want to look the part. When I’m on my grind I mean serous business and my outfit reflects that. I know that’s not how everyone thinks, and each to their own, but I’ll keep doing me. To any fellow young men keeping classic fashion alive - I salute you!
I'm of a double mind on this... I'm a Pal Zileri guy for "formal" wear, meetings etc.. But I'm also a strong advocate for dressing for the occasion You can also look smart dressed down It's ALL context.
Agree, Nothing wrong with jeans per se. Ripped jeans, oversized T-shirt and scuffed converse just make you look like a teenager that never grew up though
In my opinion, the concept of “excessive casual” clothing is an american value that has taken over the world slowly. Back in the day, at least in Latin America, there where jokes made about how american tourists weren’t allowed in restaurants or casinos because they were wearing shorts and flip flops and got mad about it. “Kings of informality” is how they were depicted some decades ago. Now that american ethos of “comfort is ok” is what dominates western societies looks. Its a staple of “entrepreneurship” success to run a business in hoodies and jeans, specially in creative and tech industries which are the most sought after today. That’s how I see it
gadget00: It may be that, back in the day, American tourists dressed that way because they were on vacation. In comparison, back in the US, they dressed up. Take a look at old movies and tv shows like Mad Men. As far back as I can remember looking at history books, there were always people who took pride in how they presented themselves in public. It was a social identity, contract, and philosophy back in the day. Check the 20s through the 60s. Suits were normal though different as casual, business, and formal wear. Suits, hats, ties, handkerchiefs, cuff links, shoes, all of that was normal for my grandfathers, grand uncles, etc. The same as women. It's arguable that today, the clothing has caught up with (and possibly encourages) the social psyche of selfishness, narcissism, and self importance of society. The idea of "as long as I'm comfortable, who cares about what anyone thinks?" That attitude permeates us in ways we simply don't think about or track. There was once a saying - "Clothes make(th) the man." Once upon a time, people got dressed to go to the mailbox, store, generally out in public. Contrast to now. People dress however, whatever; and their behavior reflects that. So many are so quick to take a simple piece of advice as an attack, old fashioned ideas, unreasonable (as Jordan's comment is immediately taken to outrageous extremes), or a negative feeling about himself Because Jordan simply said, "Make an effort." There's always an undercurrent to this stuff. Like when Harvard and other Ivies had to start workshops to teach students how to dress for job interviews because they would show up unkempt in jeans, sweats, flipflops, shorts, even pajama bottoms and UGGs in the early millennium. Adulting was uncool (read: uncomfortable), and it's only degraded since then. Being judged on one's looks is a sore spot for today's societal reflection of self. "Dress for the career you want, not for the job you have" leads to the antithetical thought of, "Work is slavery and degrading." True meaning: Being an adult is difficult and demanding. Therefore, the idea of dressing up is condensed into feelings of Why Should I? Who cares? Live life, bro. It's not that serious/important, lol. Just a thought, not an argument
My dad would always say it is better to be over dressed than under dressed. Dad also believed that you are better to buy one suit of quality than 4 cheap suits. I never agreed or understood that when I was younger now I totally understand it and agree with it
I don’t have any issue with confidence but I have noticed when I’m dressed up I feel more valuable and assert myself more. I’ve started dressing up 24/7 now.
I neglected dressing well for most of my 20s. At 31, I now see how beneficial it is to dress your best everyday. When you WFH, go to the mall, brunch.. always.
Love all your Podcasts and I really love this clip. I truly believe all men should dress up as much as possible. It will help you feel better as a man, mentally and spiritually !!!
When my family and I moved from Texas to Sacramento California. One of the first things that shocked us was how so many of the men dressed and acted like children. We call California never never land. Having grown up in Texas I used to think the cowboy types were a little bit much. With their big trucks and belts and all. But At least they work hard, can shoot a gun, and respect their mamas. Now I think hands-down you’re better off with a cowboy type than an oversized baby.
I’m coming to Sacramento in August, I’m coming from New Zealand, I will be in my suit while I’m over there as well so I’m glad to see this comment so I know what to expect when I arrive
I work in the construction industry on the tools and the outdoors sector, I have a uniform for both and when I'm going out I wear a smart jacket, tie and shoes. No excuse for shabby dressing like an overgrown child, no matter your profession.
My son, who listens to many of these speakers, professors, podcasters etc, who is also homeschooled, dresses like Jordan Peterson daily .... for school ... at home ... lol So much so, that my two daughters, now, no longer desire to wear comfy sweats and pajamas as to not be so underdressed. My son says, it really helps him get his mind primed to work and learn. So ... I buy the suits, coats, shoes and tie's and he does his thing.
From the original 12 Rules For Life: Hold your head up with your shoulders back. Fine clothing generally, and a good suit in particular makes you feel like doing that. It can have a profound impact on your day.
I'm watching this, and I'm thinking "How long has the modern three-piece suit been around? Late 19th century?" Clothing norms have always changed throughout history. In ancient Persia, "dressing sharp" for men probably meant putting on some sort of flowing silk garment and blinging it up with makeup and golden jewelry. I agree with Peterson on many aspects of human reality and existence, but I think we should be cautious of getting TOO traditional, dogmatic and stagnant in our ways.
@@ayman8907 um ok. But u do realize that in his anecdote he was in DC, observing TOURISTS. I guarantee u ppl that work in DC don’t dress like that. Even the homeless are clothed well…and the bums in congress too. 😌
Dressing up doesn't have to mean dressing complicated, For men you can use neutral suits and shirts that can be interchanged, and have a selection of ties that can throw a bit of colour in depending on circumstance. Develop your own personal uniform is the kind of idea. You don't have to be a model, just make an effort, it doesn't matter if you can't buy certain things just make sure it's clean and pressed make sure you have a shave and cut your finger nails, it's quite basic really. This reminds me of a conversation a had with my Dad, talking about the 1960s he told me "You wouldn't be seen dead without a shirt & tie on" even just going out socially. It didn't occur to me until after we cremated my Dad RIP we didn't put a tie on him at the end, I regret that now. Sorry Dad
I’m in my 20’s, but a few things he said resonated with me. After college, as I began to be asked to speak at churches about two years ago, while I don’t know for sure, I believe it was my pastor who gave me the advice “If you’re the one on stage, make sure you’re the best dressed man in the room. Find out what that group or congregation typically wears, then be the best dressed man in the room.” I carried that into the next season of my career working for a nonprofit, and it’s only been a benefit. It makes an impression on people and makes people listen and take you more seriously.
I agree with Jordan Peterson. When I was purchasing clothes not too long ago, I realized that my selections were in a category for teenagers. At 35 years old, I felt a little embarrassed.
Because of the disruptive upbringing I had, I had to teach myself about reality and living in it as a person. Everyone has to ultimately teach themselves about reality but I'd say in most cases people are born into a "normal" upbringing. So when I discovered men's grooming and hygiene, I must say I certainly felt more of a man with the knowledge gained concerning looking and feeling sharp. After finishing Uni I wanted to see what I could do to be more professional and improve how I was perceived by others since I was now about to tackle the job market as a newly graduated person.
Reality is subjective to the individual. Your version of reality may differ from my version, but it doesn't actually mean either of us are right or wrong. We all live within the reality we create for ourselves. My reality is getting up, going to work, doing any number of activities that I choose to involve myself in throughout the day, going to bed, and getting up the next day to do it all over again. The only thing that outside influence has on my reality is that the price of things changes from time to time. I still get to do whatever I want, whenever I want, however I want. Not even the pandemic has slowed that down.
@@TheJudgementofDog You remind me of how contingency shapes our reality eg. the contingencies of our birth circumstances such as the time we are born into, the culture, the society, our family and community, our genetics or physical and mental formation, our moment by moment experiences since birth and the coinciding impact these had on our perception, the language/s we speak, so many contingencies impact on our reality and identity. We may be subjective but that subjectivity is determined by our life contingencies such as these mentioned above. If this wasn't true, then people would be more or less the same all over the world, but they are not because their reality is shaped by the outside influences they are born into.
Hey Jody ,read The Definative Book Of Body Language by Allan and Barbara Pease twice, helps with every aspect of our lives, study under de angelo and rollo tomassi too, red pill. 44. oh how my life has changed for the better!
I'm not a suit and tie guy but, if I leave the house I will always wear something clean and presentable with a collar. I always feel I'm more presentable when I look professional at all times.
I used to dress the way society thought I should dress and now that I'm older, I dress for me which probably looks very eccentric but I'm okay with that. I spend a lot more time and thought on my attire now and especially with accessorizing. Mostly all vintage ranging from 1920's to 2000's scarves, jewelry, belts, hats, and layering clothes. My best foot forward might look like a freak show to Jordan Peterson.
THANK YOU!! Dress accordingly. I hate taking my wife out for a anniversary dinner to a 50$ a plate restaurant and being all dressed up and everyone else is wearing shorts and polo shirts 🤦♂️
He's not saying always dress fancy, but wear your clothes with dignity, and choose the appropriate clothes for the occasion.
Yeah no sh7$
Thank you for Jordanplaining Captain Obvious.
@@JustinCase780 slap yourself for saying ‘Jordanplaning’
@@beattrixkiddo2725 where? 😆😆😆
Society decides what's appropriate and what's not. He is just old fashioned and can0t wrap his head around the fact that people nowadays put a lot less value on the little things. They no longer think a suit is gonna make you a better man or a better professional. It's actually a sign of advanced thinking, because you finally realize what's really important and what's not. A suit isn't. He feels better wearing it because he isn't comfortable with himself, hence the need to do his maximum to try to improve his looks. Therefore, he wll criticize those who don't do the same. It's a pretty normal human behaviour. You make a choice, and one way to put even more value in your choice is to look down on those who don't do the same. He says men dress like children. Well, perhaps we're simply more open minded now and no longer think certain clothes are just for kids and certain clothes are just for adults. Like i said, it's advanced thinking. Less bullshit, more practicality. If you can be happy and successful in a t-shirt, why go through all the trouble of putting on something much less comfortable, much more expensive, that will take considerably more time of your day? That's not logical in any way.
Two of the best pieces of advice I learned when I was a young man - "Always leave the house looking your best - no matter where you're going," and "dress for the job you want, not the job you have."
I can kinda relate. I rarely get dressed up in a suit unless it's for a job interview. I ended up running into a friend of mine who is always well dressed, on my way to an interview. He told me he liked how I looked and encouraged me to wear a suit and tie more often. I took his advice, I don't dress up as often, but I feel better in a suit than in a regular t-shirt and jeans.
I should be wearing lab coats everywhere then.
sound advice
what if the job you want everyone works in jeans and maybe a polo lmfao
Those imply the nearly exact same thing...
When Jordan talks about living life like “everything matters”…. He really does practice what he preaches. He is a solid example of an honest man
Yeah, totally. Like the time he claimed that having apple cider sent him into a depression spiral.
@@SallyMankus130 focus on steal manning people. It’s to easy to straw man.
I live life like nothing matters.
If you believe that then what about the photo of his room being a fucking bombsite of a mess
He’s delusional. There something wrong when you’re always right.
Tom Ford said it best: “Dressing well is a form of good manners.”
If we were all as rich as Tom Ford, I'm sure we would all make more of an effort too.
@@ravenclaw783 i think that is not what it means. I'm only 20, and a student, so i don't have a lot of money, but when i buy clothes, i try to take my time and buy quality !
"Manners maketh man" , words to live by, taking care of your look, is a part of the respect you have for yourself and for others.
@@gabriel.t.anderson Oh ok. Good for you. I didn't know H and M was quality.
@@ravenclaw783 oh shit😂
Who decides what it means to dress well?
I think Jordan hit the nail on the head with the story about his father. People dress up to see Jordan speak as a sign of respect and to mark the occasion as an important event in their lives. The choice to formalise the evening has an intention about it, that you're there to take the information and the man seriously.
@bobby macallister . So why are you here following his "dumb right-wing Babel"?¿? Seems like you would spend your time better listening to ESPN or ESPN TH-cam to figure out what's the best over-under and spreads are for the next game & listening to why billionaires and mega millionaires are racist toward millionaires in their employ.
@bobby macallister Here's hoping you can use your reasoning mind to put your feelings into place.
@bobby macallister I think they dress up on CNN too, maybe more your speed.
Jordan took a untested jab for a cold and then told everyone to take it too! Knob
Na this is all a lot of mental masturbation, which is kind of ironic from a psychologist, just as your notions and bias towards Jordan is a lot of mental masturbation going on in your own head. This all just speaks to western bias as well and Jordan's own cultural bias, men who only feel comfortable in suits or certain clothing are restrained on some level. Not that I am saying you should not dress up and make an effort, but the idea that it matters so much or is of importance is trivial to say the least.
Im taking Jordans advice. Today I wore a suit to the gym, and never felt better. Everyone was even staring at me, so there must be something to it.
LMAO
Can you get more boomer -deconstructionist xD this is exactly the kind of joke you'd find in a newspaper comic 😂
very funny...
Based
Are you gonna speak in a woman's soporno voice like cult leader jordan
Dressing up is not always about impressing others but it's about having respect for yourself, your position,the event you're at and expressing your style.
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i mean, whats more "respect for yourself"?
wearing the same classy attire as everyone else to try fit in with the occasion?
or having the courage to dress the way you want, get weird stares and not care?
Guess what? the wrong answer doesn't exist...your perspective and opinion exists though.
@@afromuthfuka ok aristotle
@@OS-yg9fr ok sheep caller
Dated a girl who told me once that as a adult, the way you dress is how you’re treated. Best thing I’ve taken away in a long time.
As an adult
@@vibhasj8470as a baby
But should one be treated according to what he/she wears?
@@slothymangoas a brontosaurus
@@slothymangoI wear diapers but people just treat me like a grown man in diapers.
I learned that the word "consequence" simply means "result", not necessarily the negative connotation that often comes with it. At every turn, I learn something new with Jordan Peterson.
Con sequence: a sequence of related events. The clue's in the word LOL
@@tezzo55 😜Yes I get it. It's just commonly used as a negative and I never really looked the word up.
Jordan Peele begs to defer
@@ExMachina70 LOL. Not sure why 'events that occur through previous events' would necessarily be negative, or positive.
Thinking that all consequential events would be negative probably says more about your life, than it does about the word or the world. It seems like depression.
@@ExMachina70 It's not so much the '12 Rules for Life' you need. It's 'The Oxford English Dictionary.
Best :-)
I was hired at Disney at one of its entry positions.
I wore a suit for 6 weeks.
When we graduated from customer service class, everyone automatically thought
I was already a manager - when I presented with a promotion after 2 weeks of graduating.
Dress for the position you want.
🧢
So, you are joking right? I've seen drunken homeless people in suit and tie. It is about what you have up there.
@@stevegwizzle3560 hahahah
And then everyone at Disney clapped, right?
What kind of suit? Are we talking bespoke, Gucci, quintessential men’s warehouse? Or are we talking a Mickey Mouse or goofy costume suit?
I'm so glad someone as influential as Jordan is spreading this message: you're an ambassador of yourself, your family, religion, people, city, country, etc. So dress like it with dignity and honor and intention
Agreed sir!
Yes, well stated!
Yes but not always, dressing properly for the occasion is the point. Not wearing suits for just grocery shopping or going to parks….
@@joeyondakeys dressing up helps with own confidence and people, ofcourse dress up according to the occasion at hand . Like you cant say oh mu anxiety , ill just wear a jeans and stained tshirt to a funeral, or your own wedding, or some important meeting maybe……
@@joeyondakeys yes! Status anxiety mainly
As a lifelong construction worker this rings a bell It never hurts to look professional and take pride in your boots tools or work I feel like it goes hand in hand . My two cents from a blue collar .
Yes!
I knew a mechanic, old school guy, wore a shirt and tie under his overalls for 40 odd years. Real gent.
So do you wear JK boots?
I really want a pair.
Well said.
Thank you
My dad was a cardiologist and is now passed away. He wore a suit every single day. As children, we never saw him that he wasn't wearing at least a tie.
The Elite rulers who control the world - place their influencers into
society - mostly via Student groups and in certain media - to change
perception of the people - In most cases the result of the controlled
manipulation creates an economical advantage for the controlling
Elite and to a lesser degree fro the 'paid' influencers who infiltrate many
areas of society and whose job it is to change the culture.
What has largely been created is a society of modern-day peasants.
Mass-produced cheap clothing where the people who make it are paid
in cents per garment - NOT Dollars -- these make huge profits for the
retailers' Manufacturers and distributors - and a pittance for the workers.
The clothing is NOT always sold to the consumer at the lowest price -
It only appears inexpensive to the better quality products that create a
social gap between the have(s) and the Have Not(s)
This is all done intentionally -
People are being constantly manipulated by the Elite Rulers.
PSYOPS have been conducted for well over a century.
Having served in the Military for 30 years - I wore a uniform most of
the time - and that had to be perfect in every way to a specific standard.
One would spend an hour just polishing one shoe boot.
I had Canadian Brass on my uniform and it was a shiny as polished Gold.
what does your father being a cardiologist had to do with anything in this vid?
@Matej Juhás not seen a doctor in a suit for years. i'm 31, the suited doctors in my area have diminished
sounds like an anal retentive compulsive figure.
That sux really he should have been more real. He was probably taught to be obsessed with formality and becoming a suit.
As a six figure blue collar worker I find dressing homeless looking beneficial. No one ever asks you for money or favors if they think you’re worse off than them. That being said, I wouldn’t mind wearing suits if I didn’t live in florida
i think places like florida and all the big shots moving there is a reason for this. i had a teacher who said she never saw ppl out in public in flip flops until she moved to florida, but its so hot you need to here.
Amen
@@icanseewhytheyhateus yeah I mean it's near the beach, flip flops might be common
Everyone is so caught up in the suit thing. The overall point they’re making is don’t look like a bum. There nothing wrong with a collared shirt and nice pants. Just try not to look like a bum and take pride in how you look.
As someone that makes too many figures to count I agree. - Said no one
“Everyone dresses down so they look like overgrown 10 year olds”
I feel some relief hearing him say this because sometimes I look at people that get so much hype for their “clout” or their “drip” and I feel like I’d look and feel like a clown if I wore the same thing. I always feel like maybe I just don’t care enough to keep up with the fashion trends but maybe I just genuinely dislike most of the trends going on today.
Don't follow every trend, but instead be yourself!
I've always wore what I want never cared what others thought. Just be yourself
The illusion of cloutness or dripness is in itself a trap of limited identity, don’t fall like a prey, hunt for the prey ! which is a process in the self
@Carbon Proksi sthu
@@donjon1518 Bro why 💀
I used to hate dressing up but nowadays always feel good and more confident when I put on a shirt and tie. It's as much about self respect as it is about respect for others. This matters at any age, even for 65 year old like myself. When I see so many people dressed up like chavs, I despair, but I think there is now a movement towards more classical dressing, which is to be welcomed.
What if I hate ties and shirts. I feel ridiculous into it. It's a nonsense clothes.
@@jwolf267if you’re wearing a tie to appear more successful to strangers and that type of clothing is not in common with what you do for work, yes it is nonsense. But let all these inspired men walk around urban zones dressed up nice reaping all the benefits of real men who wear overalls and provide food and build the world for them.
Just a simple little thing as you increasing your appearance and presentation helped build/change your mindset. That’s great and an awesome story. I read a few years ago that. . . You don’t get paid by the hour you get paid the value you bring to the hour. That change d my whole perspective and outlook of hourly wage labor.
Unless it’s required for work or a formal event, dressing up is completely unnecessary.
Clothing doesn’t/shouldn’t change how you feel about yourself.
I disagree, we all have a certain pair of pants or a shirt that makes us feel good about ourselves clothes can change the way we feel. @@jonm5217
When you dress good, you feel good and you feel good, you do good.
And we all know good is subjective
@@_VISION. bla bla bla(sorry for that not feeling great for as a excuse to use unappropriate words) there is always common we are not so very different from each other dude............
When you dress up and especially stand out from the crowd you just automatically get respect. And that’s a fact. Never be average. Screw what people think, or if there dressing down. Always dress one above everyone else. Trust me
100% RIght -If you want to be "In - Like Flynn " & meet women & look good at work ..
I look at accomplishments and results, and not the cover of the book. I have met plenty of scammers dressed in business suits too.
@@potbellyfatguyfromnewyorkcity so everyone who’s wearing a suit, has to be worth 1 million dollars? Lol. Nothing wrong with dressing up to feel good mate. Most business guys who work in an office make average salaries a year.
Or you look like that guy dressed like a rapper, except that he’s not a rapper. Just comes off as an insecure imposter worried about what everyone thinks.
A man knows the difference between there, their, and they're
As a woman, I absolutely LOVE to see a man dressed up. Even if he's casual but well put together, clean, manicured and confident, its a great attractor ❤
Not every man gonta be lovin on other men with that sweet stuff
Yep, definitely
I hate the term "well put together " wtf is that supposed to mean? Most guys in suits can't do a dmn thing! I bet they call AAA when a tire blows. Or use cleaning people to clean their house. I doubt they would even change a diaper.
Your Father said EXACTLY what I said and lived as a Teacher.
Students liked it.
Parents appreciated it.
Teachers were astonished.
I enjoyed it.
It said: I am a Professional and what I do is important.
I was told to not dress up as a teacher. I did it anyway and got lots of hate.
@@ReadOrwell ENVY!
No one's dad every told them to speak in a soporno voice and cry every other interview
I generally like to dress up. However, sometimes it’s really nice to dress down as a way to hide into the background when I don’t feel like talking to people.
based on your statement, you only talk to people when you dress up? If you dress down, you don't feel like talking to people? Doesn't make sense to me. Clothes doesn't determine if a person wants to talk to people or not. Overall, it's usually the mood of the person.
Clothes are more important than character or morals.
-Giant turd
@@bigb9257 He's right in that you stand out less the more casual you dress, sometimes people prefer not to stand out at all.
With you on that Jacob.
@@bigb9257 no, but, a person can dress-up or down to better maintain expectations when interacting with someone.
"Clothes don't make the man ,but appearance is everything" a quote my dad uses a lot
Your dad is not very smart
@@SeregaOrgan You are filling gaps in your mind and you dont even question your conclusion?
@@SeregaOrgan didn’t notice you know his father
@@SeregaOrgan Toff mentality
Its not expensive to dress nicely. Target button up shirt(fitted $22), Target fitted suit ($160). Ross/Marshall's Bow tie($12)
I've had expensive suits, but here is the cheat code. If you're in phenomenal shape, everything looks good on you. I have this Tshirt($11) , that's ironically from Target and it's a "Superbad Mclovin" Tshirt. I get more compliments on that shirt than much more expensive clothes. Stay in shape. That way you can wear any and everything. Out of shape people look so uncomfortable.
This presentation made me think. To your point, you’re absolutely right. Why do us as men dress like we’re still in high school? Jeans, sneakers, and hoodies. Instead of dress shoes, slacks, and sports coats. In the military I felt a sense of honor when I wore dress blues. I think as men we need to reboot our wardrobes and update our definition of fashion. Dressing for success speaks volumes.
Life is often suffering and discomfort. If wearing what I feel comfortable in helps me to deal with that, I will continue to do so. Dress shoes are stupid and uncomfortable. Good supportive footwear should be worn at all times. Sport coats are ridiculous. A simple good quality shirt is all one needs.
We do it because sneakers and hoodies are comfortable, its that simple Who is it that defined that men have to wear shirts and ties and suits? Its just bs you were contidioned to believe...
@@jacobwalsh1888 I dress up all the time, and I feel that dress clothes are every bit as comfortable as normal casual clothes. Maybe I'm just used to it, but I don't see how wearing a sports coat is uncomfortable at all unless you're wearing it in extremely hot temperatures. As far as shoes, you don't have to buy dress shoes, you can buy leather sneakers or boots that provide the same level of comfort, but give a classier appearance.
@jrbobdobbs5516 I don't wear a suit in the summer obviously, but there are still ways to look good. When it's hot, I usually wear a short-sleeved button-down shirt or a short-sleeved Henley. In my opinion, both look better than a t-shirt AND feel better than a t-shirt.
No one is saying you have to do this. You can wear jorts and a t-shirt like John Cena if that works for you. However, I often hear men complaining about how they don't get attention from women, but then when people give them advice, they get irritable and start listing off the reasons for why they can't do what was just recommended.
That's just conformity at the end of the day, and only a conformist would join the military anyway.
My first job in IT only required a company branded polo or button down. I took it a step further, wearing the button down exclusively and also always wearing a tie with it (I was the only one who chose to wear a tie). For the 3 years I worked at that company, I was the fastest rising employee on the help desk, receiving a promotion and several large raises. Many people who only wore the bare minimum attire also presented a bare minimum attitude and therefore received bare minimum compensation.
Ties remind me of leashes and collars, like on a dog. Anyone can come up and yank your chain!
Bro is it really worth it... Wearing a fkn choke holder for 3 years during summer? Just let your actions speak and be productive win the competition
So:
Externally: symbolizes that you're not average
Internally: makes you feel that the job is important and therefore that reflects in the work that you do
You are wrong
It's pathetic how this society is
“Dressing well is a form of good manners” - Tom Ford
I think the guy is overrated and his products are pretentious, but that statement is bang on.
@@jsquared1013 I've never heard of him but also agree with the statement.
Lol I know this guy personally. Yuck to him
I like his designs, and this quote now as well
The more well dressed the man, the less trustworthy he is.
I've worn at least a button-up shirt EVERY DAY for the last 18 years! I did it while driving a concrete mixer and as a barber.
Lol 😆 lol 😆 hilarious. Love that.
That’s Awesome!!
Lol... U a legend mate
Good for you. Would you like a Scooby snack?
Good on you Hernandez.
It is always more comfortable to be overdressed than underdressed. When you are overdressed, you can go places that you cannot go when you are underdressed, but it is not reversible.
It's always a wonderful feeling to hear someone talking about something, using all the same reasoning and sometimes the same words and phrases like you used yourself.
I can't wait to hear his opinions on the color underwear men should wear and the proper way to man-scape.
@@vendicardecarian9220 what^
@palo - Peterson speaks out of common sense.
@@pixelfan8792 Peterson does occasionally produce sentences that contain not only words, but some meaning, and yes, a few of them actually make some sense.
He isn't as stupid as a rock. He is more like a sack of apples.
It's his fanbouys who are the sack of rocks.
I think the tech industry has really shaped our way of dressing more than anything. Suddenly, we have all these highly skilled professionals who dress like they’re working from home and the old paradigm is broke. It became apparent that the clothes don’t necessarily add value to the bottom line.
It depends on your role. It's like having a uniform.
You wouldn't wear a suit working at McDonald's or being a lumberjack.
A good uniform for coding is something more casual.
But the guys in the legal department were not wearing T-shirts most likely.
Depends on the particular company's culture as well.
But yeah, siting in front of a computer and coding for 8 hours in a 3 piece suit doesn't really make sense.
I think k you missed the point really
I don't know whether this is a joke or a fact:
"Whenever you see a room full of men in suits with one guy wears only denim and t-shirt, that guy is either the IT guy or the owner."
@@advancedomega it's both xD
Bad example. Most tech companies have negative bottom line..
I began dressing up thanks to the words of Dr. Peterson, and I feel absolutely fantastic.
Same 😎 love him.
You aren't wearing a suit in your avatar pic.
@@tonygrowley5275 dressing well isn't just putting on a suit. It's to wear a jeans or a trouser that fits and t-shirt or a shirt that matches. No one wears suit all the time.
@@potatoeskimos Watch the first 2 minutes of the video and see what Peterson says.
I started building a wardrobe because of him. I feel fantastic, and I like my bank account. I owe this man so much.
My dad always dressed nice, even to go grocery shopping. One day he's shopping in Walmart North Idaho, wearing his usual dress shirt, sweater best, wool jacket and slacks. They clerk recognizes him and asks what kind of work he does. He said he's in real estate, she answers "you look like a professor". 90% of customers were wearing sweats, puffy vests, athletic shoes, messy hair, no make-up etc. My dad was 80, still working managing his office building but shopped at Walmart to save money. Everything in his closet he bought on sale at Macy's. Always fit, 32" waist and well dressed. Makes a huge difference
Makes a difference for what? So a random cashier hit on a grandpa. Great. Let's wear tuxes
Your dad has "class." Thanks for sharing.
As an image consultant, I can't emphasize this enough. Best dressed people go further than well degreed up people. Looking good is good business.
Minority men understand there is a message to be sent. I hated watching ladies dress so nice and their date look like a slob.
It seems a bit narcissistic to put so much effort into looks and clothes though
@@overdose8329 if you think nice clothes makes you narcissistic then it's hard to not have a bitter outlook on life
Every little thing people just throw the word narcissist....ughh. What has dressing good for to do with narcissism?
Meh, substance is more important than form. I prefer competent, smart and efficient people over good looking well dressed ones. I guess it depends on who is in power to decide who can go further; I'm part of a younger generation and I don't care much about form as long as the person is competent, honest and trustworthy. I've even come across the counter example: this dude was over dressing and using extensive vocabulary and in effect wasn't that competent, just a good confident talker. I didn't keep him long and was a bit ashamed that I had fallen in his trap and hired him to begin with, all because he presented himself so well.
I like how he cuts straight to the heart of "fashion" as a psychological need for the wealthy to disassociate themselves from the working class, and the working class' simultaneous emulation of them.
And this fashion includes suits as well.
The working class does not emulate them, it's more like pity.
The working class feels too uncomfortable or ashamed to emulate the wealthy, so no.
Whoops! That hit a nerve!
@@Anonymous-ro5fv A better title - "Why I think men should try to look like me"..
You don’t have to dress formally, but you either put in an effort or you don’t.
In my opinion, these things are momentum based, so when you start putting effort into stuff like this, it tends to be easier to apply that effort to other parts of your life.
It’s a behaviour pattern of doing more than the bare minimum.
What do you mean by effort? It takes the same effort to pull on a pair of jeans as it does suit trousers. Shoes the same. Adding a tie is a little extra but not a lot extra. I don't see it as measure of "effort". I see it as a measure of "ego".
@@toby9999 mental effort to put together a better outfit.
It’s not complicated.
@@toby9999 That is sad. Don't be afraid to dress well.
Well said.
There are 6 reasons I dress up.
Weddings.
Funerals.
Job Interviews.
Court.
Because a girl wants me to.
And for Jordan Peterson seminars.
I can fully agree with what is said here. I'm a technician but self educated, I get dirty so the engineers dont have to. I have young children as well so I have never felt the need to dress any more professional than just a simple solid colored t-shirt and jeans. I have noticed that I get treated inferior to others when I dress casually on a regular basis. But when I clean up, wash my face and trim my beard and remove the oils from my nails, put on a nice suit and get the expensive watch out and then drive my wife's nice car ( I ride a motorcycle), people treat me better and talk to me with respect. They let me have their seat and even sometimes even open doors for me. Its weird how materialistic objects or fabrics can dictate how others perceive you. Then the next day im back in my dirty clothes covered in oil and im back to being a nobody. The funny thing is that I probably make more money than alot of them realize.
It sounds fake but that’s exactly true. You gain respect from people when you dress up. You get compliments that wouldn’t happen if you were just dressed normal. This has happened to me sooo many times when I dress up nice.
I just recently started dressing up more to go to University and this happened to be recommended for me lol, thanks for the reenforcement! It definitely feels better to dress respectably in society, you feel more productive and positive about yourself.
Like a full suit?
@@bitcoin4624 lol, nah. I hate sports jackets tbh. Just some khakis, button up shirt and a vest on top.
@@captahab6370 thats a half a step down from a full suit and tie imo but i think its awesome that you did that. How did it feel? How did others respond? Were there haters? Do you think it influenced your ability to make friends/hookup for better or for worse?
@@justadude117X mm, confidence boost I would say. But I’m still me lol. In terms of others reactions, ppl who knew me before were mostly supportive/impressed. But ppl who didn’t, well it’s just who I am to them 😅, they can like it or not. But there are a few smirks and sneers once and awhile, but that’s that. 🤷🏻♂️
@@captahab6370 college is a great place to make connections which could be advantageous later on. Dressing smart as well as having a positive & professional attitude will leave a lasting impression on those around you.
Well articulated by Peterson. Dress-up and be ready to do business. It sends a message before you even open your mouth.
It is no different to being in a cake shop and seeing a beautifully decorated cake
and a bland plain sponge. Which would you choose?
One can also see the difference in perception from how the average Man dresses
how shabby a vagrant dresses -- And naturally one has a lower perception of value
of the vagrant simply because of the way that they dress -- It is not their fault that
they dress like that as they cannot afford to maintain them-self
However - the point is how one is perceived by the standard of clothing - behavior
and the language used - By language I mean the specific choice of words and how
the words are delivered.
I recall speaking with the wife of a Sydney Jeweller who specializes in selling and
mining precious stone - She met her husband when he was visiting Thailand - and
said that she chose him because he was well dressed / well presented.
Her words were 'Always dress well and sharp - You never know who you will meet -
and the presentation can make a big change in one's future.
@@andrew_koala2974 Well said. Thank you for that.
Really just depends on what type of business you are doing. Unless I am meeting with owners of a company it is a bit much in my opinion.
@@andrew_koala2974 Disagree on the analogy. Plenty of cakes look exceptional and are utterly devoid of taste and quality. Same with people.
It can also backfire on you.
There's something about dressing up and the confidence it gives you when running your business, especially during difficult times. Looking the part is half the battle.
Very good video. I'm doing the female version of that. I recently switched to wearing dresses and skirts 100% of the time now and I love it. 😀 What most people don't realize is that all over the world before the 1960s, women wore dresses exclusively and men word suits exclusively, even when just going to the grocery store or barber shop. This dressing down culture started with the rebellion of the 1960s and spread all over the world through American TV. Then jeans and t shirts became the thing, then sagging pants and ripped pants etc. We all need to go back to dressing up to have more self respect. 😊
As a guy, I literally can no remember at all the last time I say a woman wearing a dress. I mean that with most seriousness. It says something about the time and culture we are in when you cannot remember women actually wear dressed. So I applaud you for taking the step and switching for yourself and being that ambassador of style.
@@ardentdfender4116 Thank you! 😊
We all? Speak for yourself, goat. The man dressing as he wants, there is no standarts here. You want have self respect? - cool, but its sad, that the only way you can expierence that is by wearing a fking skirt and not taking admirable actions. Quit using emojis tho, youre cringe
Thats nice to hear. I havent seen any women or girls weaing a skirt or a dress since the beginning of the 2020 coronavirus pandemic. Im an 18 year old man whos young and graduated HS back in late May. This is gonna be a long paragraph but I will give you some insight as to how I dress:
I still wear jeans and t shirts of an artist that I like, but Ive been wearing plain t shirts, clean zip up or button up jackets, with tailored jeans, sunglasses, and clean sneakers (Im a sneakerhead so Im familar with what shoes I should be wearing to be comfortable and look nice) and I’ll the keep the minimum amount of logos on my outfits to 3. I have to wear hats since its hot in Florida and I like to wear dark colors, but I usually switch between dark or colors that arent too bright and I feel great since this what I like to wear because I’m my own person who isnt afraid of being myself.
Time Travel kudos to you!! I recently retired after 20 years at a company I was not required to dress up but wore a shirt and tie every day I did it more for myself than to impress anyone I actually felt only half dressed without a tie I Constantly received complements from women for my "put together "look . Even in retirement I wear collared shirts and chinos rather than ts and jeans most of the time I'm a political moderate to liberal so it's not nostalgia for a "better day" motivating me just pride in myself and respect for others keep at it and don't let anyone intimidate you out of dressing well
Monday - Friday I do a suit or sports jacket and slacks, weekends jeans or shorts. I like both equally but I have to admit the ladies seem to like the suits better lol.
So you wear clothes to impress women?
@@romariosmith422 Read what I said again :)
With that face I don't think it matters
Damn Chad leave some for the rest of us
@@RichardS-hz6wn lol
I have to 'dress up' in business clothing before I go to school for the morning, then I head to the office.
I always feel awkward and out of place amongst my classmates as they all wear sweat shirts and pants, baggy ripped jeans and such. I don't intend to sound judgemental, but the majority look like they've just rolled out of bed.
Listening to this made me feel much better, thank you gents!
Nothing wrong with a sweatshirt and jeans but ill fitting clothes = bad, so things can look bad even if you buy a suit if it's not sized correct.
Classmates are not the ones deciding your grades. I'm retired but applied for a part-time job to stay busy and bring in a little extra. One of the first questions was about my GPA. I graduated college in 1972, and that number is still following me around. Impress the people who determine your future, and your baggy pants classmates will end up working for you.
My experience exactly Elizabeth. You took the words out of my mouth.
When I was in first year of undergrad, I saw so many people show up to write exams in the evening in pyjamas and onesies. It was honestly kind of sad. I get people like comfort in clothing, but it looks bad when some of the professors and grad students dress the same way lol.
If you want comfort in tailored clothing, try something single-breasted, made of a really lightweight fabric with unstructured or soft shoulders. A jacket like this with a canvassed construction, paired with handsewn armholes, shoulders and sleeves feels like a second skin, and moves with you. There's this assumption that men's tailored jackets have to be stuffy, uncomfortable and overly formal which can't be farther from the truth.
Put on the clothes you feel most yourself into. Dress up, dress down. Do what most feels comfortable to you. I'm typing this from Milan, the fashion capital of the world.
I was saying a couple of days back that no one ever grows up now a days. Have a pride in yourself, project the person you want to be.
yeah wear a suit and become a pill head like junkie peterson
So you're saying all the tradesmen who work hard and don't wear a suit in the off hours are not grownups? Some of the most grownup people I know don't wear suits.
People grow old, not up.
working-class people in my family have always worn overalls, t shirts boots or dirty jeans. we typically didn't trust dudes in suits or ties in my neighborhood when I was a kid. I think dressing casually has a huge element of class involved.
I'm also a teacher at a high school. I used to dress up sharp for school out of respect for the children. I even ironed my own clothes because I'm single. I did it for several years. But I found out that the children treat you with the same disrespect regardless of how you dress.
Yeah plus one can be lazy and respectful even if they are in suits
I wonder if there are any kids whom your dressing up did have an impact on. You do it for the one, not the many.
As a recent student, we only respect teachers when they are making positive impacts to students. You can wear t-shirt and shorts…..😂
I used to be a bouncer, at nicer night clubs. On a vacation in Thailand I bought 5 tailor made suits + xx shirts, ties and so on and started wearing at work. We usually had black windbreakers with "Security" the night club gave us, and the first night someone said "you cant work like that?"
Sure I can, I have my badge visible, complying with the law, nobody is going to mistake me for a customer... Within weeks I was promoted and had a pretty nice "career" working high end nightclubs for a few years. And my employer told me straight: Its because of the suit, its looks GREAT, and you wear it good. People love it.
Dressing up shows that you respect both yourself, and the person you are meeting. As simple as that.
Who decides what it means to dress up? Maasai wear colored long dresses as manly
I totally agree with Patrick. Whenever I wear a suit it does make me feel good and much more confident than wearing designer casual clothes.
I like dressing up when it's called for. And dressing up shows respect for the other person too! You often feel better about yourself dressing up than dressing down. And get usually more respect from people by looking stylish than down dressing! Great channel.
I partially agree with him; I was brought up in boarding schools since a very very young age. I wore a uniform since first grade. Grey slacks, white shirts, tie, jacket and loafers. From first to 12 grade. I was in the military after that and uniforms is the norm. Then I went to work in three piece suits in all shades of grey for a very long time…now I refuse to wear anything that resembles a formal attire. I feel at ease even if dramatically underdresses compared to the rest of the crowd. But If at any point I were to feel the need to dress up to par, I would.
Agree!!
I've always "dressed down" I think in part because of working as a mechanic, and always being ready to fix something, "out of time". Watching this, I realized part has always been "confronting the formal I didn't like", our father was professional and always wore a suit, and I had many years of trying not to be like him, in large because I've always been so much like. Rebellion is a powerful factor, I spent two decades a marine, and the feeling of my "greens or particularly my blues" was always something that makes on stand up straighter, look around and fit the occasion, and I do feel the need to get a new suit because I've not done so in a decade. Very interesting talk.
a dentist friend of mine dresses down so he doesn't get mugged
My dad is a welder and a machinist but everything he wears is tidy and well put together. Even in his work wear he doesn't look sloppy. Always advices me to look as best as I can, even in very casual settings
every high paying blue collar job interview I went to, i was specificially told NOT to dress up. dress up how you'd expect to work in. if you a mechanic, i was told to dress like one. safety boots, blue jeans and polo short sleeve. because expect to get dirty and you don't do that in a suit. I'd say dress for the job not for the party.
@@Ndasuunye unemployed?
who told u this?
@@wolu9456 I know a guy who wanted to get employed as a truck driver and went at the job interview dressed business( suit and tie).
The interviewer told him they are not hiring anyone at the office 😃😃 He was not seen as a good fit for a truck driver.
I live in the woods of Western Washington. I wear a tweed jacket, waistcoat, button down shirt and slacks with field boots, daily. My manners are polite and polished, but not snobbish at all. My wife appreciates this. Its how i show how much i respect her and cherish her. The ravens, elk and otters recognize me in the woods and dont panic or run away. Its rather a nice feeling. I go to town 2 or 3 times a month, about 50 miles away, the shop keepers and clerks remember me and are polite and friendly. Some have remarked that i look as if i have stepped out of an earlier time.
I am 17 now and still wear suits casually like mostly the 3 piece suits (Thanks to peaky blinders) I felt really good and new about myself, I love to see this fashion come back like the 1930s - 1960s and seeing 18 - 25 year olds wear suits as a casual thing makes me know that im not alone in this fashion and I hate it when everyone says "It feels uncomfortable) it all depends on the material you use for each weather and I use wool for winter and Cotton for hot weathers and I also dress up more in old money style too but I think this fashion should return.
Hey, i just wanted to say that you definitely aren’t alone in this, i’m 16, going on 17, and i’ve been fascinated in this sort of style since i was 13 when i first laid my eyes upon a dark green tweed suit that my grandfather had since he was young. I’ve always figured that, contrary to what most people think, you CAN wear ties/suits casually, and I do wear them casually every day, constantly trying to improve on my style. Respect to you, sir!
@@CampbellsDiaryVA I respect you too, and ye the old movies really fascinated me because men back than really showed their masculinity through suits and not through undershirt with leather jacket and tight blue jeans. I didnt see anything masculine in that but when you look at men from 1940s it shows how really masculine they were and Jordan is right men started dressing up like High school or 10 year old kids, we really lost the masculine fashion now sadly...
When I dress nice, I get treated completely deferent for my favor. Absolutely worth the effort.
Ask the ladies...
True
Definitely.
The ladies love a well dressed man . Go out there and you will see. You will get signals galore.
Im glad I watched this. I often dress like an overgrown 10yr old. I'll be putting more effort into dressing more sharply from now on. Thanks JP.
Ah hello brothers
Good on ya!
Balenciaga
Time to splash the cash then.
I've been a huge advocate of 'dressing up' for years. Other men who shun it get insecure and ridicule you for it initially, but once they get into a pair of SHOES and not trainers - or get a smart coat - they get it ASAP.
SeriousMcnegative
If only you were an advocate for writing and speaking proper English
and writing/saying I have instead of bastardizing the language to
I've - We've - they've
This is Common Street English - which traditionally is the language of
peasants.
People have been indoctrinated to speak a peasant variety of English.
This is very low-level English - it also serves to create a social gap
between the educated and the uneducated classes.
This is is by design and the people generally have not noticed - and
accepted placing them-self into the 15th-century peasant class.
It has become the 'Normal' for them because they have not known any better
@@andrew_koala2974 If you are implying that being a "peasant" is somehow worth less than being more fortunate, there's something really fucked up in your value hierarchy. Using noble language doesn't make anyone any better than somebody else. It's also very arbitrary: I could easily pick on, for example, British people for not knowing how to speak more than one language. Here in the Nordic countries almost everyone knows from two to three.
You ever watch those vintage videos of daily life in the 40s-60s or whenever. I always notice the comments stating that people back then dressed better and acted more courteous. I wonder though, how many of those same people dress and present themselves the very same way they dislike.
It’s like disliking when people wear pajamas to the grocery store but what do they themselves do? Wear pajamas to the grocery store.
Be the change you wish to see. Dress up when you go out if that’s what you’d like to see. It could encourage others to do the same.
Another interesting point I'd like to raise, is that I've noticed a lot of young children, even as young as 8-10 year olds, are dressing more "grown up". For example, the number of (what has to be) 10 year old girls I see out in public, often wearing one pieces or dresses that are commonly designed for models or adults is staggering - it's actually really disturbing. I know the current fashion climate is one of sexuality; exposing skin, showing "confidence" and "owning oneself" by exposure, but the fact that children are being influenced by this is not good. I personally blame social media and a lack of parental discipline to be the core of this.
So it seems to me that adults are dressing "down" towards childishness, whereas children are dressing up towards... well I don't know. What is it exactly?
its that people want to look stylish/sexy and not formal, and they can't grasp what is more important in life, being formal or stylish/sexy... and most people are shapeless blobs so the only thing they can do is completely cover up in FORMAL attire... but formal attire isn't fun or sexy or really that stylish, and so they go casual. casual blobs right next to the fit, shapely, and fun stylish/sexy crowd.
I have a 2yo. The amount of toddler kids clothes that make them look like mini adults really frustrates me. I miss the days when you could easily find children’s clothing that are sweet and innocent, a reflection of their childhood
The problem is your greko-roman Christian religion of the devil.
I don’t recall him saying “always”. But he did say parents shouldn’t dress the same as their kids, which is reasonable advice
Not trying to argue, but what makes that reasonable? If you go to other countries, many times the women and their little girls will be wearing very similar dresses. I think clothing preferences are more cultural than anything.
@@TheAlibabatree but in those countries, the reasoning is contrarian: the girls are taught to dress like a woman, and not the other way around
@@TheAlibabatree frankly, i totally agree. maybe not to the formality of suit and tie -- but watching 40 year old's trounce around the office in flip-flops and T-shirts is degrading to the rest of us. I dress better than some of these people to mow the lawn or wash the dog.
Didn't kids back in the day dress like miniature adults?
@@iluvcakes19 still do. You can buy clothes and get the “mini version” of the same polo shirt or dress shirt for your baby, so you can dress alike in birthdays or christmas LOL
Dressing up was a concept that I really hated compared to other Jordan Peterson topics that I am pretty receptive too. Perhaps I feel as if I hadn't had anyone teach me how to dress well in the past. I finally came to the realization that my social image would benefit by spending some time researching better T-Shirt designs and spend some money to revamp my wardrobe. I didn't want to dress like a kid anymore as Dr. Peterson explains. My shirts just came in and I'm excited to try them out.
How are you feeling now man? Satisfied? I was also considering this but dunno, I feel like it wouldn't look too flattering on me.
I enjoy it. The compliments, the respect and the business contacts has been the result. I dressed like garbage throughout my life. Never knew that your belt must match your shoes. The cufflinks. And my insatiable desire for monk strap shoes. To dress properly has made my daughter respect me, as well as even my ex wife. I owe J. P. so much.
it's so funny he says this, I actually started having a lot of thoughts about my clothes and image as I got closer to 30 and it really confused me because I wasn't sure how to present myself, I still looked like a kid, dressed like the kids, which got me treated like a kid. As soon as I began dressing nice for the occasions and putting effort into presenting myself as a collected adult, not only did I get treated like an ADULT but others looked too me as an example.
It works better in Europe.
See that guy? Go snatch his wallet
In my case I love dressing up but the weather in Mexico really forces you to dress simple, from May to October you sweat like a pig all day
Nicely stated.
crazy you say that cuz i been thinkin bout that a lot the past few years to the point i be on pinterest and checkin out the suits and looking to change my wardrobe. of course i will still have a few articles of clothes to dress down in but i am def with you with changing it up for the better. and even that thought has been changing my approach with cars also since im a car guy. i don't find japanese cars appealing anymore like i used to when i was younger. now i want clean euro cars and thats not to say japanese cars dont have a clean fleet, its just my preferences have changed
JP is sending the right message to young men. Something sorely needed.
Not really…ive dressed up well, even better than the CEO. Makes no difference….i perfer comfortability and peak performance. 😂😂😂😂 already in multiple trades milking it as I chill. In a suit, i cannot do this
I really like Jordan Peterson’s content. He’s a pretty practical guy who speaks on things from an objective point of view typically. To hear that he sees men in t shirts and shorts for example as oversized kids is hilarious. I strongly disagree but I think people should be allowed to loosely judge people subjectively on public platforms without being cancelled so I’m all for this kind of conversation.
With all due respect to Dr. Peterson, his view are very subjective
Yeah, his views on this topic are a bit ridiculous. Even if I'm wearing a t-shirt with jeans, I don't dress like I did when I was a kid. The t-shirt is plain and fits perfectly, the jeans are the perfect fit, waist size, and length, everything is color coordinated and so on. The suit to me is largely just compensation. You get to pretend you're sophisticated and put together without necessarily being those things. And it gives men a more rectangular shape with more square shoulders and hides obesity (look at Trump in his tennis attire) so it's something similar to the woman's push up bra. I'm usually a fan, but Dr. Peterson often just likes to rationalize why we should uphold tradition for the sake of his own traditional preferences.
I see so many grown men that look like and act like large obese toddlers . For many of them jeans and A T-shirt would be an extreme upgrade .
Dressing up man/woman gives one self esteem and pride in one self.
Sure, but jp claimed woman who dressed in the workplace were sluts. The mans a crazy junky
Err.... I disagree. In fact, it may imply that you have little to no self esteem to begin with - or may lead to that. It's like women who always wear make-up - after a while, they become so attached to it, that they always feel ugly whenever they don't have it on - leading to very low self esteem. It's like bald dudes who always wear hats.
@@realitycheck1086 To be fair a hat usually does look better on a bald dude lol.
But I think you're right that one doesn't have to tie their self worth to how they look.
I agree with his points so much! Such an inspirational man.
“Business casual” was the worst trend to happen to the workplace. If men knew how good they look in a suit, they wouldn’t wear anything else.
I went to his talk last night, I dressed up, and it was so great seeing young men and women also dressed up, so dapper and classy!
Do what feels comfortable but what makes you feel good. If you want to wear a suit, wear a suit. Or whatever. Don't worry about anyone else. Just do you.
Having some class is better for society. Having some class is better for you.
That sounds so 70s to me. So artificially Zen. Once in a while it doesn't hurt to conform.
@@joeybonin7691 Anyone who says "just do you" has already conformed completely. Conrad is the manifestation of what's wrong with every generation. Young people always think they are special and unique and somehow know something new. Every generation conforms when it rebels. In the 90s there was grunge and flannel shirts; the last 10 years it's been skinny jeans and tattoos. Every generation has a "look" because the herd instinct is very strong with over 90 percent of the population. Most try to express their individuality by doing things that are identical to their peers because few have the confidence to be truly counter to the herd in any significant way.
I’m early 30s but have always enjoyed dressing smart, even when I get funny looks around the place I live because very few people dress like that here, even when going out for a nice meal etc.
Office dress codes have gotten more casual in the decade since I started my career and the pandemic and working from home has turbo charged that. But I love pulling on a suit, tie and pocket square, I don’t care if it’s seen as old fashioned or stuck up or whatever these days, like the guy on the left here says, I too feel more confident and happier when I’m dressed smart and showing my best out to the world. I also feel like when I’m working I’m an ambassador for myself, the office and organisation I represent, so I want to look the part. When I’m on my grind I mean serous business and my outfit reflects that.
I know that’s not how everyone thinks, and each to their own, but I’ll keep doing me. To any fellow young men keeping classic fashion alive - I salute you!
a well-dressed man is a confident man. and a confident man is an effective man.
I'm of a double mind on this... I'm a Pal Zileri guy for "formal" wear, meetings etc..
But I'm also a strong advocate for dressing for the occasion
You can also look smart dressed down
It's ALL context.
Agree, Nothing wrong with jeans per se. Ripped jeans, oversized T-shirt and scuffed converse just make you look like a teenager that never grew up though
I love and respect Jordan Peterson. He’s a great teacher .
He's an ex-teacher. A
Yes a great teacher with a womans soprono voice
@@lebowe6131 A very soothing voice.
In my opinion, the concept of “excessive casual” clothing is an american value that has taken over the world slowly. Back in the day, at least in Latin America, there where jokes made about how american tourists weren’t allowed in restaurants or casinos because they were wearing shorts and flip flops and got mad about it. “Kings of informality” is how they were depicted some decades ago.
Now that american ethos of “comfort is ok” is what dominates western societies looks. Its a staple of “entrepreneurship” success to run a business in hoodies and jeans, specially in creative and tech industries which are the most sought after today.
That’s how I see it
gadget00: It may be that, back in the day, American tourists dressed that way because they were on vacation. In comparison, back in the US, they dressed up. Take a look at old movies and tv shows like Mad Men. As far back as I can remember looking at history books, there were always people who took pride in how they presented themselves in public.
It was a social identity, contract, and philosophy back in the day. Check the 20s through the 60s. Suits were normal though different as casual, business, and formal wear. Suits, hats, ties, handkerchiefs, cuff links, shoes, all of that was normal for my grandfathers, grand uncles, etc. The same as women.
It's arguable that today, the clothing has caught up with (and possibly encourages) the social psyche of selfishness, narcissism, and self importance of society. The idea of "as long as I'm comfortable, who cares about what anyone thinks?" That attitude permeates us in ways we simply don't think about or track.
There was once a saying - "Clothes make(th) the man." Once upon a time, people got dressed to go to the mailbox, store, generally out in public. Contrast to now. People dress however, whatever; and their behavior reflects that.
So many are so quick to take a simple piece of advice as an attack, old fashioned ideas, unreasonable (as Jordan's comment is immediately taken to outrageous extremes), or a negative feeling about himself Because Jordan simply said, "Make an effort."
There's always an undercurrent to this stuff. Like when Harvard and other Ivies had to start workshops to teach students how to dress for job interviews because they would show up unkempt in jeans, sweats, flipflops, shorts, even pajama bottoms and UGGs in the early millennium. Adulting was uncool (read: uncomfortable), and it's only degraded since then.
Being judged on one's looks is a sore spot for today's societal reflection of self. "Dress for the career you want, not for the job you have" leads to the antithetical thought of, "Work is slavery and degrading." True meaning: Being an adult is difficult and demanding. Therefore, the idea of dressing up is condensed into feelings of Why Should I? Who cares? Live life, bro. It's not that serious/important, lol.
Just a thought, not an argument
My dad would always say it is better to be over dressed than under dressed. Dad also believed that you are better to buy one suit of quality than 4 cheap suits.
I never agreed or understood that when I was younger now I totally understand it and agree with it
I don’t have any issue with confidence but I have noticed when I’m dressed up I feel more valuable and assert myself more. I’ve started dressing up 24/7 now.
I neglected dressing well for most of my 20s. At 31, I now see how beneficial it is to dress your best everyday. When you WFH, go to the mall, brunch.. always.
A jumper, jeans and shirt can go a long way for many people and it does not require a complex formal wear.
Yeah I wear a tuxedo to McDonald's now. I feel accomplished
Love all your Podcasts and I really love this clip. I truly believe all men should dress up as much as possible. It will help you feel better as a man, mentally and spiritually !!!
big facts homie
Hear hear man, we’ve gotten WAAAAY to comfortable here these days.
Dressing in a suit regularly will change your life. It's like working out, except the benefits are instant.
Man he is so right when we were our military uniform you feel good it is like a confidence boost. I know exactly the feeling that he is talking about.
Marine Corp dress blues is the most badass I ever felt while in formal wear
Respect starts with the self.
I was in the Army and hated wearing Dress Greens.
Thank you for your service
i cant tell if this is sarcasm or not
When my family and I moved from Texas to Sacramento California. One of the first things that shocked us was how so many of the men dressed and acted like children. We call California never never land. Having grown up in Texas I used to think the cowboy types were a little bit much. With their big trucks and belts and all. But At least they work hard, can shoot a gun, and respect their mamas. Now I think hands-down you’re better off with a cowboy type than an oversized baby.
So true. Moved from H-town to Sacramento. Almost think California cool is assuming manners and behavior of someone 10 years younger than onself.
I’m coming to Sacramento in August, I’m coming from New Zealand, I will be in my suit while I’m over there as well so I’m glad to see this comment so I know what to expect when I arrive
I work in the construction industry on the tools and the outdoors sector, I have a uniform for both and when I'm going out I wear a smart jacket, tie and shoes. No excuse for shabby dressing like an overgrown child, no matter your profession.
My son, who listens to many of these speakers, professors, podcasters etc, who is also homeschooled, dresses like Jordan Peterson daily .... for school ... at home ... lol So much so, that my two daughters, now, no longer desire to wear comfy sweats and pajamas as to not be so underdressed. My son says, it really helps him get his mind primed to work and learn. So ... I buy the suits, coats, shoes and tie's and he does his thing.
Such an inspirational person. Jordan completely changes the way we see our world.
Does he?
Ohh you mean how he only saw negative things about countries he does not like....and never does the same for canada and its nasty history
He's controlled opposition but very well disguised as 80% of his stuff makes sense. But you have to dig a bit.
@@mattmurray517 not to people who have been so sucked into liberal propaganda and have been simping their whole life
From the original 12 Rules For Life: Hold your head up with your shoulders back. Fine clothing generally, and a good suit in particular makes you feel like doing that. It can have a profound impact on your day.
I'm watching this, and I'm thinking "How long has the modern three-piece suit been around? Late 19th century?" Clothing norms have always changed throughout history. In ancient Persia, "dressing sharp" for men probably meant putting on some sort of flowing silk garment and blinging it up with makeup and golden jewelry.
I agree with Peterson on many aspects of human reality and existence, but I think we should be cautious of getting TOO traditional, dogmatic and stagnant in our ways.
I don't think it has to be a suite, just something that is slightly formal and doesn't make you look like a child.
When it comes to cultural fads like fashion sure, but when it comes to unchanging archetypes there's no reason to ever change how we respond to them
@@ayman8907 um ok. But u do realize that in his anecdote he was in DC, observing TOURISTS. I guarantee u ppl that work in DC don’t dress like that. Even the homeless are clothed well…and the bums in congress too. 😌
@@newagain9964 doesn't make any different, they're still grown ups dressing like kids.
@@ayman8907 Oh. Ur a fan boi. All u had to say.
Dressing up doesn't have to mean dressing complicated, For men you can use neutral suits and shirts that can be interchanged, and have a selection of ties that can throw a bit of colour in depending on circumstance. Develop your own personal uniform is the kind of idea. You don't have to be a model, just make an effort, it doesn't matter if you can't buy certain things just make sure it's clean and pressed make sure you have a shave and cut your finger nails, it's quite basic really. This reminds me of a conversation a had with my Dad, talking about the 1960s he told me "You wouldn't be seen dead without a shirt & tie on" even just going out socially. It didn't occur to me until after we cremated my Dad RIP we didn't put a tie on him at the end, I regret that now. Sorry Dad
PBD is the man, love JP too.
Gay
Love em both too
I’m in my 20’s, but a few things he said resonated with me. After college, as I began to be asked to speak at churches about two years ago, while I don’t know for sure, I believe it was my pastor who gave me the advice “If you’re the one on stage, make sure you’re the best dressed man in the room. Find out what that group or congregation typically wears, then be the best dressed man in the room.” I carried that into the next season of my career working for a nonprofit, and it’s only been a benefit. It makes an impression on people and makes people listen and take you more seriously.
"men were dressed like their children". 🤣Well that did it for me. It's time for me to step my game up. 😎👍
Cringe
I agree with Jordan Peterson. When I was purchasing clothes not too long ago, I realized that my selections were in a category for teenagers. At 35 years old, I felt a little embarrassed.
Ok but nobody cares. Everyone too busy thinking about themselves.
I love that you put the entire podcast at the end, very useful!
I was always taught to dress up. It’s a language in itself. Put your best foot forward.
Because of the disruptive upbringing I had, I had to teach myself about reality and living in it as a person. Everyone has to ultimately teach themselves about reality but I'd say in most cases people are born into a "normal" upbringing. So when I discovered men's grooming and hygiene, I must say I certainly felt more of a man with the knowledge gained concerning looking and feeling sharp. After finishing Uni I wanted to see what I could do to be more professional and improve how I was perceived by others since I was now about to tackle the job market as a newly graduated person.
good point brother. well observed and spoken. have a nice day ahead
Reality is subjective to the individual. Your version of reality may differ from my version, but it doesn't actually mean either of us are right or wrong. We all live within the reality we create for ourselves. My reality is getting up, going to work, doing any number of activities that I choose to involve myself in throughout the day, going to bed, and getting up the next day to do it all over again. The only thing that outside influence has on my reality is that the price of things changes from time to time. I still get to do whatever I want, whenever I want, however I want. Not even the pandemic has slowed that down.
@@rajatchandra3209 Thank you bro you too
@@TheJudgementofDog You remind me of how contingency shapes our reality eg. the contingencies of our birth circumstances such as the time we are born into, the culture, the society, our family and community, our genetics or physical and mental formation, our moment by moment experiences since birth and the coinciding impact these had on our perception, the language/s we speak, so many contingencies impact on our reality and identity. We may be subjective but that subjectivity is determined by our life contingencies such as these mentioned above. If this wasn't true, then people would be more or less the same all over the world, but they are not because their reality is shaped by the outside influences they are born into.
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I'm not a suit and tie guy but, if I leave the house I will always wear something clean and presentable with a collar. I always feel I'm more presentable when I look professional at all times.
I used to dress the way society thought I should dress and now that I'm older, I dress for me which probably looks very eccentric but I'm okay with that. I spend a lot more time and thought on my attire now and especially with accessorizing. Mostly all vintage ranging from 1920's to 2000's scarves, jewelry, belts, hats, and layering clothes. My best foot forward might look like a freak show to Jordan Peterson.
If I saw Jordan, I would dress up for him too. Mad respect to him
Wow. Really love this. Peterson continues to be the voice of reason for our generation.
"They're sick of acting like Kids." - Woof. This is FIRE and so true.
THANK YOU!! Dress accordingly. I hate taking my wife out for a anniversary dinner to a 50$ a plate restaurant and being all dressed up and everyone else is wearing shorts and polo shirts 🤦♂️