The problem with guarding Steph is any lapse in concentration could lead to a 10-point-Steph-run in under a min. And if Steph gets that 10-point Steph run going, the rest of the team gets hot and you have a 20-point avalanche coming. The man has the greatest momentum game in the history of the NBA.
Bruh he shot 40% and he wasn't stopped!? I've been saying this and I'll continue to say it, Allen Iverson and Kobe Bryant the two most overrated players in nba history!
I can just imagine a one hour team meeting preparing for the 76ers. 59 minutes and 30 seconds are talked about A.I. and the last 30 seconds coach say "alright now here's what we'll do with these guys" 😂
I watched A.I give a prime Gary Payton a 40 ball like it was nothing. I ain't never seen nobody abuse Payton like that in my life and made it look that easy. It's ashame how people don't realize how devastating he was. I'm going with A.I in both cases.
FACTS I saw AI give Gil 40 with ease getting to the rim no picks rubs off the dribble explosions to the basket take away how Steph get open no comparison
Remember when AI pissed the bulls off his rookie seasons and he put Scottie and Dennis on him every position both was picking AI up before he got half court
Kyrie has a deeper bag, but A.I was constant frenetic energy. Steph is the only thing comparable to that, in terms of energy expended. Trying to stay in front of A.I was grueling.
Iverson never picked his spots. He was active the whole game. Constantly moving at 100 mph. He got you tired. Then he’d break your ankles and lay it up on 7 footers lol
Exactly these niggas tripping Iverson could not be fucked with on NO Level and had a MVP to back it up .. that’s the thing about winning a MVP.. for that year it means you couldn’t be fucked with! Kyrie doesn’t have one of those …
Handles have nothing to do with AI being guarded. Have you not looked at his highest scoring games. Kyrie is not on AI level when it comes to getting buckets. AI was a killer on every play and wasn't looking for a pass. Nobody could stay in front of him. Kyrie is no where near as quick or fast as AI and finish on EVERYONE. Just because you can spin the ball in the backyard, didn't mean he's a better finisher than AI. You can literally look him up getting destroyed in the air and still finishing but you prolly weren't alive when in AI prime huh?
I think its more that they just know better. AI has been getting disrespected due to his career inefficiencies, but everyone who played against him knows that there is so much about him numbers wont tell you. Its first hand experience. AI is a nightmare on the court and all the greats know it.
Off ball Iverson was crazy. They call that double high post screen out the horns set “Iverson cut” for the guard going wing to wing. Steph is Iverson favorite player after him & steph touch is crazy
Last warriors vs kings game there was a possession with like 5 seconds left on the clock steph gets a rebound from under the rim dimes the ball out to the wing, immediately sprints away from the paint gets to his position, tween, tween hesi, creates a Centimeter of space then bang all within a timespan of 5 seconds he’s different.
Gil said it perfectly... there is no rest when it comes to guarding steph which is why hes the most ungaurdable... which goes for MJ, bron, KD, melo, tmac, kobe, etc etc etc... Shaq is ungaurdable... but only in the paint.. and only when someone else gets him the ball... kobe and MJ are unguardable but only when they have the ball... steph is ungaurdable... from every spot on the court... and even when he doesnt have the ball... MJ and scottie are famous for full court pressing players... picking them up 94 feet... imagine having to pick up a dude... 47 feet out and further ... when he doesnt even have the ball..
It takes the entire team to guard Steph. Couldn’t give all that responsibility to 1 person. Especially in the playoffs. They would have a game plan for Steph and a lot of times that still couldn’t stop Steph
@@gohanson27 It's not really a false narrative. Was the East full of bums? Not exactly...but AI didn't run through giants. Those guys he beat never actually accomplished anything. Ray did..but that was when he got with the Celtics. AIs run was nice and all, but he didn't take a trash team and beat giants. That Sixers team was comparable to the other teams in the East based on the talent level in that era.
They have both carried teams. Jennings said it best, how do you want your 50. AI is AI. But Kyrie possibly the most offensively skilled player ever. No he's not as quick. But He could do everything AI did nd live in the POST in the face-up era. Nd his 50 gon be more efficient. AND I watched them both. When Jordan was with the Bullets. Then lead his team better nd beat em when Gil was there.
@@Atlas365247I’ve watched the bucks and Celtics shut “ the greatest offensively player water off. Put length on kyrie and he’s manageable. Plus kyrie is a poor 1st option
For Steph vs AI, it depends. One way to think about it is you can stop AI at times. But with Steph all you can do sometimes is just hope the ball doesn't go in. Some of the shots Steph makes there is no defense for
with AI you are scared on what hes gonna do, with step you are scared getting yelled by the coach and be done in the first qtr. if you plan on scoring that game, just kiss it good bye cuz your legs would say otherwise
Remember that Kobe said A.I. lit him up for 40+ and made him go back into the hotel room and destroy it in a rage, smashing TVs, coaches, etc. I don't even think an old Kobe had that kind of trouble against Kyrie.
"My crossover is just a move that got me here....and ppl respect it. When my opponents take my crossover away from me, I'll just do something else." A.I. rookie shoe commercial. "Opponents" meaning the league office
Kyrie makes the difficult look easy as if he's the sum of the evolution of all offensive bags in history and he is the end product. AI was passionate fury embodied, no days off try hard sweaty. He was coming for you, no load management, no personal time off, no excuses, AI was doom. Steph Curry on fire, is Reggie Miller, Rip Hamilton and Ray Allen combined AND he's launching it from half court AND he has elite handles AND he has a layup package. Steph on Fire is the most unguardable out of all three.
He didn't want to be. He ran players off. In the hero ball era everyone wanted to be Jordan. He only tried to support Iguodala but it was too late nd management didn't want a chip
When Gil mentioned that the NBA BANNED AI’s crossover, the FIRST thing that came to mind, If they allowed for James Harden to do HIS signature move TODAY, If AI was playing in his bag TODAY with that killer crossover, he would more than likely average well over 40 a game because they couldn’t stop him WITHOUT the crossover how do you guard him with one of the most DECEPTIVE moves in basketball history next to the “shamgod”?
Allen Iverson could score however he wanted, at double the speed Kyrie did, in half the time. He wore out defenses so bad, and as Gil said...he was the ONLY offensive threat on his team so the entire defensive game plan was to stop him. Kyrie only saw real success when he had another major threat along side him to take attention off.
It’s different eras though that’s the thing I hate about this take. They’re just thinking abt the time they had to guard AI. And you also gotta add in that era never seen the shi AI was doing so of course he gon get off not taking away anything he did dude is one of the best💯But. They never had to deal with Ky a person who watched tht era and AI and evolved his moves and made it his own + more. Not even just Ky but the whole league so ofc one long ass crossover would work in today’s game. But I think Kyrie would be the my pick because he just have a counter after counter there’s no stopping him honestly.
@@apiotales did you want me to answer your question or is you saying ok a sassy way of proving your point? 😂 I never said prime neither reading is key, I’d take KD’s word before yours
3:00 - 3:40 mega factsssss! Kyrie for most of his career had a top #75 player to help spread defences. Lebron, KD, Harden... Now Luka in Dallas... Kyrie has always had significantly better offensive teammates to take pressure and spotlight off of him. The game now also is more 3pt oriented, which also contributes to diluting defensive intensity in the mid range and paint where AI was cooking. Furthermore, AI was straight up running at the Shaq's, TD's, KG's, Dikembe's, Mournings in the paint, as well as being hunted by the Kobe's, GP's, Stockton's at the half court, with double teams in between... He faced far more intense defenders. People saying Kyrie is disrespected here truly don't understand the magnitide of what I just mentioned above. Gil and K-Mart know that AI was just a different beast. Also, considering the fact that AI is 5'11 with the same amount of scoring titles as KD makes it all the more insane how gifted he was.
Someone could say kyrie not having that green light because he of those teammates hurts him in this argument cause if he didn't have to share the ball with Bron k'd and now Luka he could drop 50 in his sleep even with the focus on him. 1 difference between him and Ai is the 3 point shot. He can break down a defense by himself cause you can't clog the paint. He'll drain 3s all day if you give him those shots. A double isn't effective either, we've all seen what he did to that team usa team. He's gonna get his buckets regardless 🤷🏾♂️
Fun fact, steph is more efficient in isolation than either of the other two, despite how people act. And steph is the best playmaker too, so when he's not scoring he's still hurting you
Steph won’t get much attention in these convos. This is one where flash and 1v1 play is highlighted. I’d take Steph over Kyrie or AI for the reasons you mentioned. In an NBA game Steph is truly the most unguardable cuz even when he doesn’t have it goin teams still have to defend him like he does cuz you never know when he will light it up. Making things easier for his teammates so it’s hard to defend against his overall impact on the game
It’s something about being drilled in the face from 3 that’s so demoralizing, despite your best contest. And Steph is hitting that sometimes 10+ a game!! And he’s being fouled and they’re still going in. That’s tougher to deal with in my opinion
Kyrie. Better handle, finisher and pure shooter and more creative. AI had superior athleticism and a good handle. Great finisher. Great in transition. Relentless. Streaky shooter. Also, Kyrie does not take as many shots a game as AI did neither.
How much of that is due to the shape difference between Kyrie and ai. Ai had a motor second to a young Michael Jordan. He was coming at you every second of the game
Kyrie had better handles than AI??!! that's laughable. AI was a predator and not a single person could handle his crossover until the league minimized it.
@@dre20748 Yeah. It is visibly better. AI was good but no where near the best from a technical standpoint. Kyrie'a handle is more controlled. Not as wide. Doesn't carry much. Better left hand. More versatile move set. AI had 3 core moves(His crossover. Drive off the crossover set up read. Double crossover. Secondary moves was the pull back and Rocker step(Once in awhile). Notice how Gilbert Arenas didn't mention AI in the handles conversation segment.
@@dre20748 His crossover was a carry. Deal with it. You can swing the ball from one side to the other from shoulder level. That is a carry. He adapted it later.
steph is def the hardest. just the constant movement w/o the ball is exhausting, and u know he can pull up from wherever whenever. w that his finishing is unmatched as well.
It'd be even better if the show had younger vets who can construct and articulate an opposing viewpoint - a Baron Davis, 10 years younger. Would add so much more knowledge and dimensions to the show.
Kyrie has the better dribbling skills and layup package, but AI had speed and elevation. The dude was dunking on people, sometimes with two hands. When you're that fast and shifty and jump that high, you won't need as much dribbling and layup variations.
When you’re that shifty and jump that high you don’t have to show all your lay up and dribble variations. He has a deep bag just didn’t have to go into it.
I understand what Gil is saying. AI was on a mission, was obligated to try and score as much as he could each game because that was the only way Philly was gonna be able to score consistently back in the day. But the way AI scored, you can design your help D to be able to slow him down especially when he goes kamikaze in the paint. With Steph, mofo probably sold his soul to someone in exchange for his basketball skills especially the shooting part.
Thats the thing teams tried but still couldnt stop him. Slowing ai down was every teams gameplan but he always found a way. 22pts was an off night for ai 😂😂 imagine him playing now in an open court. He droppin 40ppg with an high fg%
@@thegoatmane2715he’s not getting 40 he’s getting 30+ a game easily lol y’all overhype ppl stats too much both are unguardable But kyrie broke down the entire team USA starting 5 with Kobe LBJ and whoever else on the court
Kyrie I swear people act like he only does so many moves to score he can but he doesn’t do it all that time. AI isn’t going to kill from 3 or score from the post like Kyrie. KAI has no weaknesses
Thank you 🤦🏾♂️ just because Ai going 100 mph don’t mean shit if he isn’t that good of a shooter. Kyrie has the entire package that nobody else has. Only person close is Kobe.
@@carltonrudolph yes I have and it doesn’t mean it’s easier but I’d much rather guard a guy like AI than Kyrie. I’m not stopping both but if you can’t kill from 3 and can’t go left it’s easier for me to guard. I’ve guarded guys who have everything in their game it’s more frustrating
@@Keepitthorough24 dudes who played basketball swear up and down they know everything and be wrong asf. Kyrie is better than AI. That doesn’t take away from AI. But there isn’t a single thing that AI does that kyrie couldn’t do. The numbers support Ky being better also. Less ppg but way more efficient.
@@jefeseason4990 I can tell you never played ball, you’re probably like 15 yrs old. Kyrie is a better individual basketball player THATS IT. Basketball is played 5 on 5 and when it’s played that way AI is a lot better. He raises his teammates level of play. Kyrie has had KD A STACKED BK team , Celtics we’re stacked as well and he couldn’t elevate anybody’s play. The best player always elevates teammates play. Pau gasol would NEVER be in the hall of fame without Kobe.
AI would always go right. It don't matter what happened. If you forced AI off the ball, it was easier to handle him despite being active. Steph requires 100% of your concentration and cardio from full court with and without the ball. You could at least battle with AI even if you got cooked. You could only look at your coach with 'what do you want me to do?' If the light skin fella lights you up from 40ft.
This is them praising old players and keeping it real. Even tho they know kyrie has a better package. They are trying so hard to make AI better than he actually was. Kyrie Irving is better at literally everything AI was good at.
@@MD-dw7yv this is what I mean when I say YALL give old players superpowers… Was he more athletic than Westbrook… No Was he more efficient than Kyrie… No Could he shoot the three better than Kyrie… No AI was great but Kyrie has way more moves than him. Kyrie can shoot better than him. What can Ai do that kyrie can’t. Now I bet you say something like he had the killer instinct… the will to win… something that Jimmy Butler has but I wouldn’t say Jimmy is better than AI.
@@betsan5832 he played trash ass teams in that playoff run. Pacers , Raptors and Seattle only had one star lol. Harden would have taken that team to the finals in his MVP year.
@@RenardGarzaro he doesn't have to do it. Kyrie is one of the most efficient scorers in nba history. Players in the league currently tell you Kyrie is the hardest player in the league to guard
@@casiemny1219allen Iverson is probably the most inefficient scorer in nba history. Kyrie is one of the most efficient scorers in nba history. Allen Iverson just bricked a lot and put up a lot of shots
Maybe you're just dumb and can't comprehend that Jason Tatum was a rookie and Jaylen brown was in his 2nd year when Kyrie played for the Celtics. Quit being dumb. Kyrie was also only 25 when he joined the Celtics. What age do you think Lebron won his first title at? It's not easy to win in a team sport. Again, quit being dumb
It’s not disrespectful. Kyrie is one of the most crafty guards ever. But Allen Iverson was different. And everyone who talks about him says the same thing. Y’all are enamored with Kyrie’s moves & respectfully so. But Allen had another gear that made defenses fear him. All you need to know, is Kobe’s quote after the 2001 Finals: “We should all thank God that Allen Iverson isn’t 6’5”” 🤷🏾♂️
This is facts and why counting stats mean nothing without understanding context. The whole defense was designed to stop AI. Kyrie gets to play 1v1 because he's been lucky enough to play with other offensive weapons.
that was basketball in general, players that was really balling in that error didnt take breaks.... if kyrie was playing in that era itll be the same probably worst because the players back then not staying in front of kyrie at all@@DEEMBYANYMEANS
Once again tho I think the team component is important ! Guard Steph on the teams AI had or AI on those same teams I m pickin steph up I don’t want that smoke with AI cause those teams weren’t gonna draw the attention to buy Steph the time off the ball to slip a defender the same way his GS team does. His team you have to respect the guys on the floor because of how well they play as a unit. AI didn’t have a “scary” second in line. What makes steph dangerous is his teammates ability to play and having him run around keeping the defense honest. Because hey we couod kick it to klay too
The question is most unguardable wth. Last time I checked a i can’t shoot like Kyrie, dribble like that nigga, or finish at the paint like him. So what are we really talking bout
you do realize the rules are different there was still handchecking in basketball and more contact it dropped in 04 , now you can barley play defence do its easy for kyrie to do all those moves . I played against handchecking and it can take slot of those moves away especially when the guy is bigger than you and so was scoring on them
What you mean what tf doesn’t have to do with it? AI getting ALL the attention where Kyrie has always played with a Lebron/Tatum/brown/Harden/KD/Luka that get the most attention
Both are hard as hell. Acting like it's AI all day is craaaazy. WTH are you going to do to stop Kyrie? Not a damn thing. Besides THE GOAT, those are my 2 favorite players ALL TIME. No bias at all.
You're missing their point. Kyrie needs the ball, and then he dances with it, killing time. A.I was heading for the basket, no brakes, no time to skill you to death. And when kyrie shows out, he's usually with another massive offensive threat, whereas A.I was basically the whole offense
@@jefeseason4990the answer is absolutely nothing outside of steals .. Kyrie is better than AI and I don’t think it’s close .. Kyrie talent for talent is a top 6-10 PG EVER ..Magic..Steph..Kidd..John..IT..O..Kyrie..Dame..Russ..Nash my top 10 point guards ever
@@OpinionsOnly979 I would replace john Stockton with Chris Paul. Stockton had no moves and was effective in that system. I’m not afraid of him offensively at all.
PSA: ...I am with Gil on this one.. You just knew when they ball went up... AI was coming at you all 4 quarters, full speed, trying to drop 50. You had to chase him while trying not to get scored on, dunked on, or crossed, and even after all your hard work, Iverson will still have 40.... I am lost when people say a deeper bag? how?.... all the guards you see today wanted to be like Iverson.....He could dunk, dribble, pass, steal, play defense, take body contact and keep coming.....Kyrie and Steph are great players,, but they lack defense, they rarely play defense....Iverson led the league in steals. He could have played on all team defense or offense... FACTS
Iverson as a defender is laughable at best to someone who watched him play. He gambled a lot and got steals but he wasn’t locking nothing up. Hell, Steph has lead the league in steals… What he locking up? Is he a better defender than people give him credit for, absolutely. Is he stopping any star offensive players, F nah… 😂 Same with AI
@@reodagreo7637laughable? Iverson wasn't a lockdown I don't think anyone thinks that 😂...yeah u can say he gambled on defense but at least he played it 🤷🏽♂️ lol he would go out and average 3 steals on top of his points and assists. He could get 10 steals in a game and score on at least 7 of em .. so he had to compensate for his size but at least he played defense if he didn't get the steal he forced the turnover 🤷🏽♂️ alot of other guards can't say the same
Kyrie has multiple games where he scored over 40 with 70+% had a 50 something point game with 82.6%. Ai doesn’t have none so that obvious answer is kyrie he will drop just as much as AI while doing it more proficient. But people not going to give him his props it’s cool
How does scoring in a Cisco League How does scoring and assists correlate? How does scoring and assist s connect with each other and have a relationship
4:53 yup, this is the exact reason we always played 4-dribble 1v1 in college and when I went overseas. In the 2000s and early 2010s, EVERYONE had a Kyrie bag. But it was so much wasted movement that we didn’t do it because it was inefficient…also coaches would yank you out of the game back then so you didn’t have the freedom to do “entertaining” stuff
If everyone had the bag Kyrie had back then, they would be able to let it translate to offensive production on the floor. Y’all see the handles but forget KAI is better finisher than AI and Curry combined. The end goal after the moves is to get a bucket which he seems to be the most efficient at doing.
@@joebucketsTV I’m a grown ass man so have some respect goofy. You calling it wasted movement when you can even calculate how it is wasteful. You don’t have basketball knowledge before 2013 yourself too. KAI is 50/40/90 while being a 5 level scorer under the height of 6’5 on the highest level. Every move has to be efficient. Played HS ball against KAI and I’ve seen the same moves he did in HS translate to the NBA.
@@neefc nah, you’re definitely not grown if you think he’s been the only basketball player with handle. Players weren’t allowed to play like that in the past. JWill, B Diddy, Steve Francis all have clips doing basically the exact same stuff as Kyrie, just not as abundant because, AGAIN GOOFY, players weren’t really allowed to do it. The white Jason Williams was literally just on a podcast talking about how he couldn’t fully do what he wanted because the coach was always yelling at him or yanking him when he did. I actually PLAYED both D1 and overseas in the 2000s and 2010s, so I’m also speaking FIRST-HAND. I’m not a casual d-rider like you are 🤷♂️
AI's crossover wasn't banned, they enforced the hard carry. He literally held the ball in his palm, before dribbling again. I never understood why he didn't adjust it. The crossover was still being done, but what he did was a blatant carry, one that was magnified when he put Jordan on skates lol
That's the deal with Kyrie, as deep his bag is and lethal a scorer as we know he is, it's hard to associate his game to winning other than the stretch he had with Lebron. Other than that, you cannot say he would drag a team to the playoffs or further. Cleveland: no Lebron, no playoffs. He got traded, Cavs still went to the finals Boston: He got injured late in the season, and Boston went to the ECF Pre-KD and Harden Brooklyn: played first 20 games, out for the rest of the season, Brooklyn went to the playoffs Dallas: missed playoffs With AI, the Sixers went to the playoffs 6 times, one was a finals run. If Kyrie's your main guy, you're not going anywhere, unless you already have a playoffs-caliber team to surround him with. So, K-Mart was right, you could set your entire defense up to stop AI, and you wouldn't be able to. He scored and won. Kyrie scored, and the outcome was highlight reels but not many wins.
Thank you. What most Ky meat riders seem to overlook. If he was as good as they seem to think he is he would have more results. He ha sa deep AF bag but if it doesn't get you anywhere I'd rather have Steph or AI
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The problem with guarding Steph is any lapse in concentration could lead to a 10-point-Steph-run in under a min. And if Steph gets that 10-point Steph run going, the rest of the team gets hot and you have a 20-point avalanche coming. The man has the greatest momentum game in the history of the NBA.
That release so quick.
@@westfinest20and he doesn't have to have his feet set just squares up his shoulders.
And gap advantage. As long as the game is within 20 you have a chance
@@Keviekev115I’ve always said this watching the warriors. “As long as they within 20 they still got a chance”😂
His off the ball movement is so deadly. Hell, you expect Steph's passes to go in lol. Dude is a walking cheat code.
Eric Snow caught 45 strays in this conversation 😂😂😂
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Snow minding his own business. And wakes up coughing... who is talking about me 😆 😂 😆 😂
The whole clip had his name on it 😂😂😂😂😂
Realest take here, I told people over and over A.I. Was double to triple teamed his whole career and still wasn’t stopped
He definetely got stopped look at his shooting splits
& ppl expected him to shoot 50% lol ai was a problem
@@obed7272 you must not have been watching those games back then he didn’t get stopped
@@Ant-Teeexactly.. his fg percentage went up in Denver once the floor opened up for him
Bruh he shot 40% and he wasn't stopped!? I've been saying this and I'll continue to say it, Allen Iverson and Kobe Bryant the two most overrated players in nba history!
I can just imagine a one hour team meeting preparing for the 76ers. 59 minutes and 30 seconds are talked about A.I. and the last 30 seconds coach say "alright now here's what we'll do with these guys" 😂
If kyrie played like Westbrook with his attack mindset that would be allen iverson
I watched A.I give a prime Gary Payton a 40 ball like it was nothing. I ain't never seen nobody abuse Payton like that in my life and made it look that easy. It's ashame how people don't realize how devastating he was. I'm going with A.I in both cases.
Kyrie would do worse
FACTS I saw AI give Gil 40 with ease getting to the rim no picks rubs off the dribble explosions to the basket take away how Steph get open no comparison
Remember when AI pissed the bulls off his rookie seasons and he put Scottie and Dennis on him every position both was picking AI up before he got half court
@@veniljackson47 Yup. A.I was a menace.
AI for sure
Kyrie has a deeper bag, but A.I was constant frenetic energy. Steph is the only thing comparable to that, in terms of energy expended. Trying to stay in front of A.I was grueling.
A deep bag full of empty results, outside of playing with lebron kyrie don't win, and he not consist
Reggie Miller and Rip Hamilton
@@hutyolo305150-40-90 only Kobe and mj did that as they say I fw ai but y’all discrediting kyrie at the same time which will not be acceptable💯
This comment makes no sense being that Allen only has 1 final appearance and lost
@@thmiller18 Steph, Reggie, and Rip!!! cut from the same cloth
Iverson never picked his spots. He was active the whole game. Constantly moving at 100 mph. He got you tired. Then he’d break your ankles and lay it up on 7 footers lol
People forgot about A.I. Most people didn't even watch him play.. zoomers. A.I was a problem
Exactly these niggas tripping Iverson could not be fucked with on NO Level and had a MVP to back it up .. that’s the thing about winning a MVP.. for that year it means you couldn’t be fucked with! Kyrie doesn’t have one of those …
Let him shoot lol.
Everybody knew he was a problem
Kyrie Irving could shoot better than AI. Has better handles than AI. His layup package is better than AI.
Handles have nothing to do with AI being guarded. Have you not looked at his highest scoring games. Kyrie is not on AI level when it comes to getting buckets. AI was a killer on every play and wasn't looking for a pass. Nobody could stay in front of him. Kyrie is no where near as quick or fast as AI and finish on EVERYONE. Just because you can spin the ball in the backyard, didn't mean he's a better finisher than AI. You can literally look him up getting destroyed in the air and still finishing but you prolly weren't alive when in AI prime huh?
Maaaan finally Gil giving someone they FULL props. A.I. was the biggest little migraine.😂
They need a PERC..f a aspirin
I love how much love AI is getting from them. Lol he was a real problem for teams. And that’s no disrespect to Kyrie but Ivo was tough to deal with
I think its more that they just know better. AI has been getting disrespected due to his career inefficiencies, but everyone who played against him knows that there is so much about him numbers wont tell you. Its first hand experience. AI is a nightmare on the court and all the greats know it.
Yea AI dont take a play off. Even on defense you can't get lazy with passing the ball he's always lurking in the passing lanes
Off ball Iverson was crazy. They call that double high post screen out the horns set “Iverson cut” for the guard going wing to wing. Steph is Iverson favorite player after him & steph touch is crazy
Last warriors vs kings game there was a possession with like 5 seconds left on the clock steph gets a rebound from under the rim dimes the ball out to the wing, immediately sprints away from the paint gets to his position, tween, tween hesi, creates a Centimeter of space then bang all within a timespan of 5 seconds he’s different.
Gil said it perfectly... there is no rest when it comes to guarding steph which is why hes the most ungaurdable... which goes for MJ, bron, KD, melo, tmac, kobe, etc etc etc...
Shaq is ungaurdable... but only in the paint.. and only when someone else gets him the ball...
kobe and MJ are unguardable but only when they have the ball...
steph is ungaurdable... from every spot on the court... and even when he doesnt have the ball...
MJ and scottie are famous for full court pressing players... picking them up 94 feet...
imagine having to pick up a dude... 47 feet out and further ... when he doesnt even have the ball..
It takes the entire team to guard Steph. Couldn’t give all that responsibility to 1 person. Especially in the playoffs. They would have a game plan for Steph and a lot of times that still couldn’t stop Steph
@@OsoThankfulthat's not true ...
With today's day defense people make deep analysis about those three players when only Iverson played in a competitive era when we talk about defense
@@bereal1640The defense is still competitive it's just more complex in today's NBA.
Mike was unguardedable because he was simply better than you.
Allen iverson, even though he lost to the Lakers, he still led his team to the finals!
East was full of bums at that time, there were some stars but the roster were awful
@@AT-qu2bzthat's a false narrative. Ray Allen was peak, Vince Carter was peak. West had the height the East had the guards
@@AT-qu2bzIn 25 years some new age fans will be saying the same about this era.
@@gohanson27 It's not really a false narrative. Was the East full of bums? Not exactly...but AI didn't run through giants. Those guys he beat never actually accomplished anything. Ray did..but that was when he got with the Celtics. AIs run was nice and all, but he didn't take a trash team and beat giants. That Sixers team was comparable to the other teams in the East based on the talent level in that era.
@AT-qu2bz The 76ers was 56 and 26 the was beating east and western conference teams
Someone once said guarding A.I was like playing defense with roller blades on 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Brandon Jennings said it perfectly. "How do you want 50 on your head?"
Bull had only like two 50 points games. It’s not comparable
AI has 11 50pt games. Kyrie 6 50pt games nd still active. So Jennings wasn't off. He might've played against both
I don’t take nothing that clown say seriously
@@Atlas365247 do you think that’s close?!? Lol it’s 50 points!
Also AI has 79 40 point games to kyrie 31. Like I said if he gets it! Not even close!
For anyone saying Kyrie, y'all never seen the answer actually carry a team in his prime playing damn near every minute of the game
They have both carried teams. Jennings said it best, how do you want your 50. AI is AI. But Kyrie possibly the most offensively skilled player ever. No he's not as quick. But He could do everything AI did nd live in the POST in the face-up era. Nd his 50 gon be more efficient.
AND I watched them both. When Jordan was with the Bullets. Then lead his team better nd beat em when Gil was there.
@@Atlas365247 Kyrie has no real talent
@@Atlas365247I’ve watched the bucks and Celtics shut “ the greatest offensively player water off. Put length on kyrie and he’s manageable. Plus kyrie is a poor 1st option
MJ’s fade away was absolutely unguardable
wtf does MJ have to do with this topic.
For Steph vs AI, it depends. One way to think about it is you can stop AI at times. But with Steph all you can do sometimes is just hope the ball doesn't go in. Some of the shots Steph makes there is no defense for
with AI you are scared on what hes gonna do, with step you are scared getting yelled by the coach and be done in the first qtr. if you plan on scoring that game, just kiss it good bye cuz your legs would say otherwise
Also, AI's prime was in an era where it was slow paced defensive era. Meaning, pretty much everyones FG% was lower.
Remember that Kobe said A.I. lit him up for 40+ and made him go back into the hotel room and destroy it in a rage, smashing TVs, coaches, etc. I don't even think an old Kobe had that kind of trouble against Kyrie.
"My crossover is just a move that got me here....and ppl respect it. When my opponents take my crossover away from me, I'll just do something else." A.I. rookie shoe commercial. "Opponents" meaning the league office
Kyrie makes the difficult look easy as if he's the sum of the evolution of all offensive bags in history and he is the end product. AI was passionate fury embodied, no days off try hard sweaty. He was coming for you, no load management, no personal time off, no excuses, AI was doom. Steph Curry on fire, is Reggie Miller, Rip Hamilton and Ray Allen combined AND he's launching it from half court AND he has elite handles AND he has a layup package. Steph on Fire is the most unguardable out of all three.
but but SC aint as good as kyrie in clutch
Amma disagree, Kyrie actually make it harder compared to Steph.
you said it exactly, he got every basketball possibility in his arsenal
@@cremadepruta6074Wrong as of recently. In the past, maybe.
AI was a real threat. It’s a real pity in his prime he was not paired with another super star
He didn't want to be. He ran players off. In the hero ball era everyone wanted to be Jordan. He only tried to support Iguodala but it was too late nd management didn't want a chip
@@Atlas365247 Headcanon
Don't forget, Iverson was playing against the Refs too.
When Gil mentioned that the NBA BANNED AI’s crossover, the FIRST thing that came to mind,
If they allowed for James Harden to do HIS signature move TODAY,
If AI was playing in his bag TODAY with that killer crossover, he would more than likely average well over 40 a game because they couldn’t stop him WITHOUT the crossover how do you guard him with one of the most DECEPTIVE moves in basketball history next to the “shamgod”?
No one is averaging over 40 points in this era.
You know you a problem when someone say give me the fast guy 😂
Allen Iverson could score however he wanted, at double the speed Kyrie did, in half the time. He wore out defenses so bad, and as Gil said...he was the ONLY offensive threat on his team so the entire defensive game plan was to stop him. Kyrie only saw real success when he had another major threat along side him to take attention off.
It’s different eras though that’s the thing I hate about this take. They’re just thinking abt the time they had to guard AI. And you also gotta add in that era never seen the shi AI was doing so of course he gon get off not taking away anything he did dude is one of the best💯But. They never had to deal with Ky a person who watched tht era and AI and evolved his moves and made it his own + more. Not even just Ky but the whole league so ofc one long ass crossover would work in today’s game. But I think Kyrie would be the my pick because he just have a counter after counter there’s no stopping him honestly.
@@ShxdowGaming249 facts they talking like they could guard Kyrie, Durant played against both and said Kyrie was better
Durant played against AI and KY in their prime ? Okay. @@Grvndchild
@@apiotales did you want me to answer your question or is you saying ok a sassy way of proving your point? 😂 I never said prime neither reading is key, I’d take KD’s word before yours
3:00 - 3:40 mega factsssss!
Kyrie for most of his career had a top #75 player to help spread defences. Lebron, KD, Harden... Now Luka in Dallas... Kyrie has always had significantly better offensive teammates to take pressure and spotlight off of him. The game now also is more 3pt oriented, which also contributes to diluting defensive intensity in the mid range and paint where AI was cooking. Furthermore, AI was straight up running at the Shaq's, TD's, KG's, Dikembe's, Mournings in the paint, as well as being hunted by the Kobe's, GP's, Stockton's at the half court, with double teams in between... He faced far more intense defenders.
People saying Kyrie is disrespected here truly don't understand the magnitide of what I just mentioned above. Gil and K-Mart know that AI was just a different beast. Also, considering the fact that AI is 5'11 with the same amount of scoring titles as KD makes it all the more insane how gifted he was.
Someone could say kyrie not having that green light because he of those teammates hurts him in this argument cause if he didn't have to share the ball with Bron k'd and now Luka he could drop 50 in his sleep even with the focus on him. 1 difference between him and Ai is the 3 point shot. He can break down a defense by himself cause you can't clog the paint. He'll drain 3s all day if you give him those shots. A double isn't effective either, we've all seen what he did to that team usa team. He's gonna get his buckets regardless 🤷🏾♂️
Allen Iverson !
This is not the first or last episode Eric Snow has caught strays 😂😂😂
Taking away AI crossover would be like Taking Steph's Ilegal Screens
Fun fact, steph is more efficient in isolation than either of the other two, despite how people act. And steph is the best playmaker too, so when he's not scoring he's still hurting you
Steph won’t get much attention in these convos. This is one where flash and 1v1 play is highlighted. I’d take Steph over Kyrie or AI for the reasons you mentioned. In an NBA game Steph is truly the most unguardable cuz even when he doesn’t have it goin teams still have to defend him like he does cuz you never know when he will light it up. Making things easier for his teammates so it’s hard to defend against his overall impact on the game
@@weatherboy0149dude what are you talking about Steph won’t get much attention, they literally said he was the hardest to guard out the 3 casual
@@willjohnwick6911 in regard to isolation play, dummy.
Kyrie 1 vs. 1 game 7 finals , clutch moment 🔥, legit closer
@@cremadepruta6074bro that was 6 YEARS AGO!!!!! Jeez. Bro living off 1 shot.
Gil has so much respect for his favorite player A.I I love it
If Kyrie trying to score 50 he’s getting that 50 & with efficiency
Lol😂
That’s actually such a valid point they took a move away from AI
Kobe studied sharks to get a understanding of AI game folks also forget AI gas tank was ridiculous dude could play every min of a game on 100
“It’s like guarding ai and rip Hamilton at the same time”😭😭😭😭😭 how is that fair
It’s something about being drilled in the face from 3 that’s so demoralizing, despite your best contest. And Steph is hitting that sometimes 10+ a game!! And he’s being fouled and they’re still going in. That’s tougher to deal with in my opinion
That 58 point A.I. game came across my feed too.🤔
Kyrie. Better handle, finisher and pure shooter and more creative.
AI had superior athleticism and a good handle. Great finisher. Great in transition. Relentless. Streaky shooter.
Also, Kyrie does not take as many shots a game as AI did neither.
How much of that is due to the shape difference between Kyrie and ai. Ai had a motor second to a young Michael Jordan. He was coming at you every second of the game
All of that talent get some nothing
Kyrie had better handles than AI??!! that's laughable. AI was a predator and not a single person could handle his crossover until the league minimized it.
@@dre20748 Yeah. It is visibly better. AI was good but no where near the best from a technical standpoint. Kyrie'a handle is more controlled. Not as wide. Doesn't carry much. Better left hand. More versatile move set. AI had 3 core moves(His crossover. Drive off the crossover set up read. Double crossover. Secondary moves was the pull back and Rocker step(Once in awhile).
Notice how Gilbert Arenas didn't mention AI in the handles conversation segment.
@@dre20748 His crossover was a carry. Deal with it. You can swing the ball from one side to the other from shoulder level.
That is a carry. He adapted it later.
steph is def the hardest. just the constant movement w/o the ball is exhausting, and u know he can pull up from wherever whenever. w that his finishing is unmatched as well.
Just like ai but much quicker and faster
@@lemgunz8829Steph not faster than prime Ai..you slow?
Guarding Steph is like guarding AI and Reggie Miller (not Rip Hamilton, but I get it).
Only reason I say Reggie is cuz Reggie shot 3's.
A.i. was just like reggie miller,? Running all over the place...hard to contain & guard...my two favorite players
“Bron you can’t look at the ball no more before you shoot it” 😭
I finally agree wit gil about something 💯 AI is/was a problem that you couldnt solve 😭
CAUSE HE WAS “THE ANSWER “
Love listening to Vets like Gil and K.Mart talk basketball. Greal players with great basketball IQ✊🏿
It'd be even better if the show had younger vets who can construct and articulate an opposing viewpoint - a Baron Davis, 10 years younger. Would add so much more knowledge and dimensions to the show.
Kyrie has the better dribbling skills and layup package, but AI had speed and elevation. The dude was dunking on people, sometimes with two hands. When you're that fast and shifty and jump that high, you won't need as much dribbling and layup variations.
Right … people don’t kno AI was a dunker in college and his first 2 seasons …
When you’re that shifty and jump that high you don’t have to show all your lay up and dribble variations. He has a deep bag just didn’t have to go into it.
AI had the audacity to take the bum ass Philly team to the finals. Imo that is still way more impressive than anything Kyrie has done.
Gil said on another podcast A.I
Was a problem
.deadlier than kyrie & steph
.& Even kobe said iverson was a problem..but nobody could beat that right
I understand what Gil is saying. AI was on a mission, was obligated to try and score as much as he could each game because that was the only way Philly was gonna be able to score consistently back in the day. But the way AI scored, you can design your help D to be able to slow him down especially when he goes kamikaze in the paint. With Steph, mofo probably sold his soul to someone in exchange for his basketball skills especially the shooting part.
Thats the thing teams tried but still couldnt stop him. Slowing ai down was every teams gameplan but he always found a way. 22pts was an off night for ai 😂😂 imagine him playing now in an open court. He droppin 40ppg with an high fg%
@@thegoatmane2715he’s not getting 40 he’s getting 30+ a game easily lol y’all overhype ppl stats too much both are unguardable But kyrie broke down the entire team USA starting 5 with Kobe LBJ and whoever else on the court
@@richardmatthews2807 he got 30+ back then when the lane was clogged not shooting 3s 😂 harden damn near averaged 40 for a few months lol
I agree with everything Gil and Kenyon said. It's not even close
The scariest thing about guarding Steph is if you sleep for a half second chasing him around he launching.
sometimes when I watch Steph, it seems like he already has a plan on how the game is going to end. Only MJ has ever gave me that same feeling.
“To guard?”
Lol, what popped in my head was, in Gil’s voice, “what do you mean, guard?”
Kyrie I swear people act like he only does so many moves to score he can but he doesn’t do it all that time. AI isn’t going to kill from 3 or score from the post like Kyrie. KAI has no weaknesses
Thank you 🤦🏾♂️ just because Ai going 100 mph don’t mean shit if he isn’t that good of a shooter. Kyrie has the entire package that nobody else has. Only person close is Kobe.
Have ever yall played basketball against a guy like that. Geesh i would much rather guard kyrie even though hes more skilled
Brandon Jennings probably had the best response to this. Kyrie gonna embarrass you with his 50 but Iverson was gonna wear you down
@@carltonrudolph yes I have and it doesn’t mean it’s easier but I’d much rather guard a guy like AI than Kyrie. I’m not stopping both but if you can’t kill from 3 and can’t go left it’s easier for me to guard. I’ve guarded guys who have everything in their game it’s more frustrating
@@matthewrutoyup... it may sound easy right... but how a guy.. lead that team to finals scoring titles if it's easy...
Eric Snow stay catching strays 😂
Allen Iverson
26.7 ppg on 42.5/31.3/78 splits
For Comparison
Russell Westbrook
22.4 ppg on 43.8/30.5/77.8 splits
How is this comparison using westbrook?
@@jefeseason4990cause Westbrook is a bad stat padder who didnt win. Hint hint hint hint
Iverson literally was the catalyst on a team w no all stars nd took them to the finals. Dudes who’ve never played ball put everything into chips.
@@Keepitthorough24 dudes who played basketball swear up and down they know everything and be wrong asf. Kyrie is better than AI. That doesn’t take away from AI. But there isn’t a single thing that AI does that kyrie couldn’t do. The numbers support Ky being better also. Less ppg but way more efficient.
@@jefeseason4990 I can tell you never played ball, you’re probably like 15 yrs old. Kyrie is a better individual basketball player THATS IT. Basketball is played 5 on 5 and when it’s played that way AI is a lot better. He raises his teammates level of play. Kyrie has had KD A STACKED BK team , Celtics we’re stacked as well and he couldn’t elevate anybody’s play. The best player always elevates teammates play. Pau gasol would NEVER be in the hall of fame without Kobe.
The most unguardable? either Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Mj, Bron, or Steph
AI would always go right. It don't matter what happened. If you forced AI off the ball, it was easier to handle him despite being active. Steph requires 100% of your concentration and cardio from full court with and without the ball. You could at least battle with AI even if you got cooked. You could only look at your coach with 'what do you want me to do?' If the light skin fella lights you up from 40ft.
Eric Snow somewhere holding his chest like damnnnn lol
Does Gil play the "PAUSE" game? Because saying "pulling out half your package and he's coming" is wild 🤣
😂😂😂 Right
No because they grown ass men 😂
🤦♂️
Yall tweeking. Kyrie has a deeper bag and can score from anywhere. You literally can't slack on defense
This is them praising old players and keeping it real. Even tho they know kyrie has a better package. They are trying so hard to make AI better than he actually was. Kyrie Irving is better at literally everything AI was good at.
You tripping kyrie just has better finesse A.I was a different breed he will put 50 on you with a broken finger
@@MD-dw7yv this is what I mean when I say YALL give old players superpowers… Was he more athletic than Westbrook… No
Was he more efficient than Kyrie… No
Could he shoot the three better than Kyrie… No
AI was great but Kyrie has way more moves than him. Kyrie can shoot better than him. What can Ai do that kyrie can’t. Now I bet you say something like he had the killer instinct… the will to win… something that Jimmy Butler has but I wouldn’t say Jimmy is better than AI.
@@jefeseason4990 what can ai do that kyrie cant? go to the finals without another superstar.
@@betsan5832 he played trash ass teams in that playoff run. Pacers , Raptors and Seattle only had one star lol. Harden would have taken that team to the finals in his MVP year.
@@betsan5832that's a team accomplishment. Quit judging individual players by team success in a team sport. It makes you look dumb
Your package had to be minimized is crazy😂😂
Both steph and AI are running around 40 minutes. Kai likes to work within his spots.
In other words, he can’t do it
@@RenardGarzaro he doesn't have to do it. Kyrie is one of the most efficient scorers in nba history. Players in the league currently tell you Kyrie is the hardest player in the league to guard
KOBE said it best " We were lucky A.I. wasn't 6'6
AI struggled from the 3. Kyrie is a sniper from 3 and a dribble god and a nasty layup package.
And AI was still harder to guard
@@casiemny1219allen Iverson is probably the most inefficient scorer in nba history. Kyrie is one of the most efficient scorers in nba history. Allen Iverson just bricked a lot and put up a lot of shots
Kyrie played with Tatum & Brown and didn’t get it done, don’t forget that too
Maybe you're just dumb and can't comprehend that Jason Tatum was a rookie and Jaylen brown was in his 2nd year when Kyrie played for the Celtics. Quit being dumb. Kyrie was also only 25 when he joined the Celtics. What age do you think Lebron won his first title at? It's not easy to win in a team sport. Again, quit being dumb
The answer is SHAQ! PERIOD!
The answer is Lebron
Better to watch this without mccants there no disrespect
“By far” the disrespect to Kyrie is insane
It’s borderline insane
Respect is earned as great Kyrie is who scared of him, all he does is lose
@@RenardGarzaro lmao a man with a chip only loses ? By your logic everyone without a ring or only one are losers
@@RenardGarzaroai never won my heart
It’s not disrespectful. Kyrie is one of the most crafty guards ever. But Allen Iverson was different. And everyone who talks about him says the same thing. Y’all are enamored with Kyrie’s moves & respectfully so. But Allen had another gear that made defenses fear him. All you need to know, is Kobe’s quote after the 2001 Finals: “We should all thank God that Allen Iverson isn’t 6’5”” 🤷🏾♂️
I LOVE A.I the way he played .like what he said "i play like every game it's my last game."..after A.I retired i never excited watching NBA
AI was very inefficient. Took many shots and missed most. Kyrie at his A game is nearly unguardable 1 on 1
Did you not hear about the part where AI had no teammates
Iverson is unguardable 1 on 1 as well
Kyrie is harder to guard. He dribbles way more and his bag is ridiculous
He don’t even got to dribble to score
This is facts and why counting stats mean nothing without understanding context. The whole defense was designed to stop AI. Kyrie gets to play 1v1 because he's been lucky enough to play with other offensive weapons.
Irving can score in every way AI can and then some, TF they're talking about?!?
Bro we know that it’s the but Kyrie don’t got Westbrook motor u put Westbrook Kyrie together you get iverson bro he never chill took breaks nothing
that was basketball in general, players that was really balling in that error didnt take breaks.... if kyrie was playing in that era itll be the same probably worst because the players back then not staying in front of kyrie at all@@DEEMBYANYMEANS
I mean they played against him, you heard all of the reason why they made the choice outside of just playing against him first hand 🤦🏾♂️
Considering they played against AI I think we can trust their opinion
Kyrie is a black hole. Having the deepest bag is overrated. Klay is more unguardable than Kyrie and with 60% less dribbles
Once again tho I think the team component is important ! Guard Steph on the teams AI had or AI on those same teams I m pickin steph up I don’t want that smoke with AI cause those teams weren’t gonna draw the attention to buy Steph the time off the ball to slip a defender the same way his GS team does. His team you have to respect the guys on the floor because of how well they play as a unit. AI didn’t have a “scary” second in line. What makes steph dangerous is his teammates ability to play and having him run around keeping the defense honest. Because hey we couod kick it to klay too
The question is most unguardable wth. Last time I checked a i can’t shoot like Kyrie, dribble like that nigga, or finish at the paint like him. So what are we really talking bout
Nigga go watch Iverson highlights and come back Kyrie is not unguardable .. Steph yes but Kyrie Gtfoh
you can better than a.i. though ?
you do realize the rules are different there was still handchecking in basketball and more contact it dropped in 04 , now you can barley play defence do its easy for kyrie to do all those moves . I played against handchecking and it can take slot of those moves away especially when the guy is bigger than you and so was scoring on them
@@khalilwilliams1818that’s cool but anywho byrie>Ai
Yet he still lead the league in scoring 4x with multiple 50+ playoffs games
I don’t want to guard Steph just watching him on tv. I be mad for the other team lol.
obviously ai is harder to guard lol, theres a reason he averages more points than kyrie
Cuz he took 23 shots per game to get 30 points
Kyrie is way more efficient tho. Iverson needs 5 more shots to get 3 more points
Ai career Kyrie career
41.1 mins 34.3 mins
26.7ppg 23.4 ppg
fgm 9.3 fgm 8.6
fga 21.8 fga 18.2
them AI fanboys gonna look pass your comment hahaha@@TJ-tb2ky
“Your package has to be minimized” what, to Gil chill?
Steph Curry easily…
A.I. was a problem.
Kyrie & steph wasnt on his level.point blank period
Kyrie .. Better footwork better offensive package better shot
Love KMart energy and language
What tf does playing w Lebron have to do w anything? Didn’t. Melo play w AI? Gil and them be saying anything I swear
You're assessing the player that you've only seen beside other players. So you try to take that into account
A.I. wasn't in his prime nomore when he played with Melo.
@@randyanderson800 plus playing with melo and bron are two totally different experiences.
It has a lot of things to do with it lol see 2019 playoffs or 2922 playoffs
What you mean what tf doesn’t have to do with it? AI getting ALL the attention where Kyrie has always played with a Lebron/Tatum/brown/Harden/KD/Luka that get the most attention
Both are hard as hell. Acting like it's AI all day is craaaazy. WTH are you going to do to stop Kyrie? Not a damn thing. Besides THE GOAT, those are my 2 favorite players ALL TIME. No bias at all.
You're missing their point. Kyrie needs the ball, and then he dances with it, killing time. A.I was heading for the basket, no brakes, no time to skill you to death. And when kyrie shows out, he's usually with another massive offensive threat, whereas A.I was basically the whole offense
They both all stars Iverson with Irving would've been insane
Kyrie Irving
On his dick smh fanboys
In your dreams buddy
@@YEGGS_1what does AI do better than Kyrie?
@@jefeseason4990the answer is absolutely nothing outside of steals .. Kyrie is better than AI and I don’t think it’s close .. Kyrie talent for talent is a top 6-10 PG EVER ..Magic..Steph..Kidd..John..IT..O..Kyrie..Dame..Russ..Nash my top 10 point guards ever
@@OpinionsOnly979 I would replace john Stockton with Chris Paul. Stockton had no moves and was effective in that system. I’m not afraid of him offensively at all.
PSA: ...I am with Gil on this one.. You just knew when they ball went up... AI was coming at you all 4 quarters, full speed, trying to drop 50. You had to chase him while trying not to get scored on, dunked on, or crossed, and even after all your hard work, Iverson will still have 40.... I am lost when people say a deeper bag? how?.... all the guards you see today wanted to be like Iverson.....He could dunk, dribble, pass, steal, play defense, take body contact and keep coming.....Kyrie and Steph are great players,, but they lack defense, they rarely play defense....Iverson led the league in steals. He could have played on all team defense or offense... FACTS
Iverson as a defender is laughable at best to someone who watched him play. He gambled a lot and got steals but he wasn’t locking nothing up. Hell, Steph has lead the league in steals… What he locking up? Is he a better defender than people give him credit for, absolutely. Is he stopping any star offensive players, F nah… 😂 Same with AI
@@reodagreo7637laughable? Iverson wasn't a lockdown I don't think anyone thinks that 😂...yeah u can say he gambled on defense but at least he played it 🤷🏽♂️ lol he would go out and average 3 steals on top of his points and assists. He could get 10 steals in a game and score on at least 7 of em .. so he had to compensate for his size but at least he played defense if he didn't get the steal he forced the turnover 🤷🏽♂️ alot of other guards can't say the same
@@bravocarlos1752 iversons defense is absolutely NO better than Steph Curry’s my point
Kyrie has multiple games where he scored over 40 with 70+% had a 50 something point game with 82.6%. Ai doesn’t have none so that obvious answer is kyrie he will drop just as much as AI while doing it more proficient. But people not going to give him his props it’s cool
How does scoring in a Cisco League
How does scoring and assists correlate?
How does scoring and assist s connect with each other and have a relationship
Poor take Gil, it’s Kyrie. Guarding Kyrie is tougher than Guarding AI.
Niggas be sitting on kyrie shit bro.
Steph....Without a doubt. First thing to guard is... You can't. Second, be in shape and prepare to run a 4.5 mile steeplechase of screens
4:53 yup, this is the exact reason we always played 4-dribble 1v1 in college and when I went overseas. In the 2000s and early 2010s, EVERYONE had a Kyrie bag. But it was so much wasted movement that we didn’t do it because it was inefficient…also coaches would yank you out of the game back then so you didn’t have the freedom to do “entertaining” stuff
@@ChiefMane1 you’re definitely a 13 year old if you’re saying that lol
If everyone had the bag Kyrie had back then, they would be able to let it translate to offensive production on the floor. Y’all see the handles but forget KAI is better finisher than AI and Curry combined. The end goal after the moves is to get a bucket which he seems to be the most efficient at doing.
@@neefcyou’re clearly 13 as well. Read the ENTIRETY of my comment next time before replying…then, actually have a knowledge of basketball before 2013
@@joebucketsTV I’m a grown ass man so have some respect goofy. You calling it wasted movement when you can even calculate how it is wasteful. You don’t have basketball knowledge before 2013 yourself too. KAI is 50/40/90 while being a 5 level scorer under the height of 6’5 on the highest level. Every move has to be efficient. Played HS ball against KAI and I’ve seen the same moves he did in HS translate to the NBA.
@@neefc nah, you’re definitely not grown if you think he’s been the only basketball player with handle. Players weren’t allowed to play like that in the past. JWill, B Diddy, Steve Francis all have clips doing basically the exact same stuff as Kyrie, just not as abundant because, AGAIN GOOFY, players weren’t really allowed to do it. The white Jason Williams was literally just on a podcast talking about how he couldn’t fully do what he wanted because the coach was always yelling at him or yanking him when he did.
I actually PLAYED both D1 and overseas in the 2000s and 2010s, so I’m also speaking FIRST-HAND. I’m not a casual d-rider like you are 🤷♂️
AI had no decoys in his team and he still scoring 50. Ok im sold.
AI's crossover wasn't banned, they enforced the hard carry. He literally held the ball in his palm, before dribbling again. I never understood why he didn't adjust it. The crossover was still being done, but what he did was a blatant carry, one that was magnified when he put Jordan on skates lol
Big dog sitting next to Gil keep some shorts on every episode 😂😂😂😂
Chuck was trying to score 50, every night, but gave you 26 every night. They crazy biased.
Who is chuck?
Kyrie out there creating masterpieces like da Vinci .. it’s just different in his bag frfr
True, but A.I was more effective in my opinion.
@@FreeAgent797 I think AI was a cultural phenomenon that reached fame Ky can only imagine but game for game.. I’m taking kyrie
That's the deal with Kyrie, as deep his bag is and lethal a scorer as we know he is, it's hard to associate his game to winning other than the stretch he had with Lebron. Other than that, you cannot say he would drag a team to the playoffs or further.
Cleveland: no Lebron, no playoffs. He got traded, Cavs still went to the finals
Boston: He got injured late in the season, and Boston went to the ECF
Pre-KD and Harden Brooklyn: played first 20 games, out for the rest of the season, Brooklyn went to the playoffs
Dallas: missed playoffs
With AI, the Sixers went to the playoffs 6 times, one was a finals run. If Kyrie's your main guy, you're not going anywhere, unless you already have a playoffs-caliber team to surround him with. So, K-Mart was right, you could set your entire defense up to stop AI, and you wouldn't be able to. He scored and won. Kyrie scored, and the outcome was highlight reels but not many wins.
Thank you. What most Ky meat riders seem to overlook. If he was as good as they seem to think he is he would have more results. He ha sa deep AF bag but if it doesn't get you anywhere I'd rather have Steph or AI