After 20 years in residential HVAC , I can tell you this: Keep it simple , inexpensive and keep it clean. Clean low MERV filters , clean drains , clean outdoor condenser..
Thanks. This confirms my thinking, the more complicated the system, the chances for it to break down, and more costly to repair. Keeping it simple means less to break down, and easier to repair.
@@travelhawk7895 Best is a relative term, it depends on what's important to the homeowner. I think for total lifetime cost of ownership, assuming acceptable performance (noise, heating/cooling ranges, etc), a single stage unit is often the lowest cost solution (depending on the home configuration, and insulation).
Those modulating gas valves that York/carrier/keeprite use, are terrible, plungers stick all the time, I show up and if don’t have the valve, tap the gas valve when igniter glowing, valve will,open.
*Great with keeping my 1st floor **Fastly.Cool** . Had a little struggle getting it to sit properly in my small window but once I got it situated it works perfectly.*
The "keep it simple" comment, from an upfront and repair cost perspective, it probably correct. But people are spending $100k+ on Mercedes and BMW's and Tesla's, because they want the latest and greatest, all the high tech gear. When it works, it's great. When it doesn't, it's $$$$. I think it's a fair statement to say that they are costlier than less complicated solutions. But when they are working, they are probably working better. Just depends what tradeoff's you are willing to take.
Yep just spent 19 grand on most expensive carrier furnace and ac unit 220 a month for 10 hour and got a hot water tank install for free with 10 years of free service 2 times a year and 10 years free maintenance parts everything is sometimes goes wrong within 10 years it's free doesn't matter what it is plus my bills will go way down so I feel it's worth it
I don't understand the scramble for high tech, complicated, equipment. Though I know most people love gadgets and devices. But after 45 years installing and servicing furnaces of all makes, My motto is Keep It Simple. The more involved the equipment is, the more expensive it is to service & repair. Chance are greater it's gonna break down and I doubt very much anybody is gonna have your part on hand in they're van. There is very little difference in overall quality of any of the makes out there. When they're not maintained, they're gonna break down and Simple is worth its weight in gold.
@@simoncameron4355 The installation is pretty similar in all as the basic function hasn't evolved much over the years. But maintainable and cost of finicky parts, that operate great on the design bench and don't take into consideration dusty, dirty environments are crazy expensive. I used to be able to jumper out (bypass) a defective safety device until new can be obtained. Now the furnace detects that and will not work. Period. Plus all these parts are made so light and fragile, doesn't take much to make them fault. Like I say "keep it simple".
Fairly sure even in CA, we can install 80% AFUE still. Some of us in existing homes cannot justify the added costs of the heater plus the added labor and materials cost to the roof exhaust design and then a condensate drain plumbing expense. Those 92% and higher features just do not make financial sense for a replacement unit. The state should be just as happy to get rid of the pollution that an old unit makes compared to a less expensive new unit that pollutes less by 10 times or more and is the choice most homeowners would want.
@@MrRjnr Maintenance and repairs will exceed any gas or electric savings over 10 years. Sad, I'd buy the 22 SEER cooling and 95% efficient heating if they were as dependable and as affordable to own. That junk is still completely experimental however.
When you are quoted a price FOR a furnace, ASK them for the brand and model #. Then go online to check that number. You will be shocked at what their markup is. These 4 and 5 thousand dollar furnaces are actually $ 800 to $ 1500 BIG SCAM!!!
Dropped $14k for a Lenox System...furnace was great! Compressor went out on condensing unit 5-months after the 5-year warranty was up...$8900 to fix ended up getting a Daikin System $10k...probably the same damn Asian company own Carrier and Lenox!
@@FlyEaglesFly19111 It's usually an installer issue based on history. Too many so called HVAC tech's out there collecting money from customers yet they barely know a multimeter from a set of gauges let alone use them.
Suggestion-Single stage is the way to go. If the better and best break down the parts cost a lot more and so does the labor. Keep it simple and cost effective. But there are other major companies that own many major brands. Do your homework and look for the best deal too. Lots of You Tube references that can teach you much too. All the best on your next furnance.
Our company installs the Bryant version of these but if it were my house I would go with the “preferred” version. Which is the 2 stage variable speed furnace.
Single stage everything. Word out there is a lot of the new systems are not built as well as older ones therefore, won't last 30 years as many have. Single stage is durable however, more noise although much less noise than a 1995 unit and more uneven heating and cooling than a two stage compressor because, as in the past or older units, single stage comes on with 100% of its capacity until the thermostat turns them off while two stage units will ramp up or down to the lower powered and less noisy speeds to maintain slight temperature loads which also take away hot and cold spots inside the home. Compressors in either category do not require maintenance however, the coils outside do require a look to be sure they aren't getting dirty with dirt, leaves and sometimes lint from clothes dryer exhaust ports that might be nearby the A/C unit. Bottom line, the "Good" one is the best value if you are not concerned with a little more noise and don't need to be spoiled with "perfect" heated or cooled air circulation. Those looking to save even more on gas and electricity costs will need to go with the two stage and variable stage units but they also come with more components to rely on.
Great video Joe. Thanks for sharing. The editing and clear description makes understanding easy. Are these interchangeable with outside condender units? For example a modulating furnace with a Performance 16 SEER straight cool condenser
what should the dip switch settings be on a new carrier 59TP6 furnace with a Eco bee tstat. my installer didn't seem to confident he left them at factory positions? Thanks
If doing a new construction and elected to go for a two zone system, does that mean you would need one or two condenser fans outside and will the be variable speed?
The more basic the unit, the less it costs to repair; of course the monthly bill would be higher. When it comes time to replace Infinity parts not under warranty, the prices for repair parts alone are outrageous. Pay me now or later... Carrier has it all covered.
Prices vary from state to state and it seems like I have been getting price increases daily now for the past month. A good ballpark price for a 60,000btu single stage furnace should cost around $4,000-$4,500 installed.
2nd Orion will run you $16000 The 3rd option is $18000 Insanely pricy That’s what my local dealer presented me Used the tactics Good Better Best Was mad I didn’t purchase it I knew what he was doing trying to sell me to a car sales man .
Hey Joe, great video! I bought a house for my daughter and I’m looking for a 40000 btu down flow furnace. It’s a small house, 1000s/f on a slab with the duct work in the slab. I found a new furnace model number 59SC5B040E1__12 . The manual says it can be installed in many configurations including down flow but the installer says no. Do you know if it can be? Thanks in advance, DR
Without looking at your job to see if there are any obstacles to not allow for this furnace to be installed as a downflow. All I can do is reference the installation manual in which it says it can be installed as a downflow.
59tp6 should be the middle furnace...also if you pay more for the carrier label you are nuts...buy Bryant it's the exact same unit with the same warranty for about 20% less...of course Carrier dealers won't tell you this
I install Payne the last 4 years ,. Great and cheap and almost identical. . Customers are very happy with performance and price. Of course I always avoid complicated 2 stage and modulating bs models.Single stage always for less problems
BDP company. Part of Carrier company stands for Bryant, Day&Night and Payne. They are almost identical, except for the cabinet color and logo label. The commercial equipment is a little different between BDP and Carrier. I would just go with a Bryant, Payne, or Day and Night, which ever is available in your part of the country. I’ve worked on all three, over a 30 year timeframe, and they are just as reliable as the Carrier version.
Even Goodman is a decent choice. Goodman oversee's Amana and now, Daikin oversees Goodman. Daikin is huge and keeps their products simple to be reliable I'm told
Carrier is owned by International Comfort Products (ICP). I have never heard of Comfort Aire. Here is the link to the ICP website: www.icpusa.com/en/us/our-brands/
@@MetroHCI Thanks for the quick reply. Google Comfort Aire. they exist. Had a furnace company tell me they were owned by Carrier or it was a Carrier product
I am getting the second choice 2 stage It’s going to cost me $15000 I know they are making money on me . But that’s what it is . The guy quoted me $18638 for the second choice . Got him for 15k. They are installing a honey well thermostat . Is possible to get him to change to Eco? I like that style better ?
after an extensive research went with infinity green speed top of line 26 seer W/iWAVE HUMIDIFIER Replace the entire line refrigerant as well surge protector . $13000 installed .havac business never mentions the cost. paid cash they originally wanted $22400 ,since my AC is working I don't care if I replace it or not. Gave me a deal
That was for a failing secondary heat exchanger on earlier 90 percent mvp and mvc models which is covered for 20 years parts and labor, these secondarys are like a trane secondary the cells are separated by metal fins they're pretty decent now had a few hiccups a few years back like pressure switches opening from the Inducer port being too small which could easily be drilled larger which it is on the newer models. Hate the clamps they use on the drain trap though
I wish the design was lighter, better and easy !!! Most Furnaces are not that ! Placement of the Filter is outdated ! The fact that you have to go through all the wiring in a furnace to place a FILTER the DESIGN HAS TO GET BETTER , Including the Thermostat the size of a sm envelope with no thought to those with vision issues ?? The FONT small ?? It is 2023 with Electric Car and a FURNANCE STILL DESIGNED IN THE 20'S ramp it up a bit DESIGNER not a bit A LOT !!! I don't want to try , try to place a FILTER IN A "V" 'SHAPE so that it stays the way it should and again DESIGN FLAW !!! Go back to the drawing board get someone ADVANCED ,
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After 20 years in residential HVAC , I can tell you this: Keep it simple , inexpensive and keep it clean. Clean low MERV filters , clean drains , clean outdoor condenser..
megale! so true
Thanks. This confirms my thinking, the more complicated the system, the chances for it to break down, and more costly to repair. Keeping it simple means less to break down, and easier to repair.
So in another word, single stage single speed should be the best.
@@travelhawk7895 Best is a relative term, it depends on what's important to the homeowner. I think for total lifetime cost of ownership, assuming acceptable performance (noise, heating/cooling ranges, etc), a single stage unit is often the lowest cost solution (depending on the home configuration, and insulation).
Those modulating gas valves that York/carrier/keeprite use, are terrible, plungers stick all the time, I show up and if don’t have the valve, tap the gas valve when igniter glowing, valve will,open.
*Great with keeping my 1st floor **Fastly.Cool** . Had a little struggle getting it to sit properly in my small window but once I got it situated it works perfectly.*
The "keep it simple" comment, from an upfront and repair cost perspective, it probably correct. But people are spending $100k+ on Mercedes and BMW's and Tesla's, because they want the latest and greatest, all the high tech gear. When it works, it's great. When it doesn't, it's $$$$.
I think it's a fair statement to say that they are costlier than less complicated solutions. But when they are working, they are probably working better.
Just depends what tradeoff's you are willing to take.
I've always really liked how Carrier equipment looked.
It's funny how this feed showed up as just yesterday I was wanting to get one for a friends home. Anyways, Thank for the video. Excellent information.
Yep just spent 19 grand on most expensive carrier furnace and ac unit 220 a month for 10 hour and got a hot water tank install for free with 10 years of free service 2 times a year and 10 years free maintenance parts everything is sometimes goes wrong within 10 years it's free doesn't matter what it is plus my bills will go way down so I feel it's worth it
Speak quality! Warranty for 25 years on everything that is a good made.I will buy it.
I don't understand the scramble for high tech, complicated, equipment. Though I know most people love gadgets and devices. But after 45 years installing and servicing furnaces of all makes, My motto is Keep It Simple. The more involved the equipment is, the more expensive it is to service & repair. Chance are greater it's gonna break down and I doubt very much anybody is gonna have your part on hand in they're van. There is very little difference in overall quality of any of the makes out there. When they're not maintained, they're gonna break down and Simple is worth its weight in gold.
So in your opinion, which furnace was the easiest to install with fewest problems?
@@simoncameron4355 The installation is pretty similar in all as the basic function hasn't evolved much over the years. But maintainable and cost of finicky parts, that operate great on the design bench and don't take into consideration dusty, dirty environments are crazy expensive. I used to be able to jumper out (bypass) a defective safety device until new can be obtained. Now the furnace detects that and will not work. Period. Plus all these parts are made so light and fragile, doesn't take much to make them fault. Like I say "keep it simple".
@@p.s8950 Is there a brand that typically uses better parts right now? Is there a brand you trust?
I'm with you on that idea. Just like new cars and trucks...overly complicated, overly engineered and expensive to fix if you can find the parts
I like top of line stuff
I got 10 yr warranty parts abs labor in 10 yrs who cares
I’ll replace it again
How much do you charge for 59TN?
With gas furnace ?
What the cost would be for the complete installation?
This is great, more videos like this please!
Their evaporator leaks, and their heat exchanger on roof top units cracks way faster than other brands.
Fairly sure even in CA, we can install 80% AFUE still. Some of us in existing homes cannot justify the added costs of the heater plus the added labor and materials cost to the roof exhaust design and then a condensate drain plumbing expense. Those 92% and higher features just do not make financial sense for a replacement unit. The state should be just as happy to get rid of the pollution that an old unit makes compared to a less expensive new unit that pollutes less by 10 times or more and is the choice most homeowners would want.
right, I almost went with a high-efficiency furnace...but realized that most of CA does well with 80%
@@MrRjnr Maintenance and repairs will exceed any gas or electric savings over 10 years. Sad, I'd buy the 22 SEER cooling and 95% efficient heating if they were as dependable and as affordable to own. That junk is still completely experimental however.
When you are quoted a price FOR a furnace, ASK them for the brand and model #. Then go online to check that number. You will be shocked at what their markup is. These 4 and 5 thousand dollar furnaces are actually $ 800 to $ 1500 BIG SCAM!!!
Dropped $14k for a Lenox System...furnace was great! Compressor went out on condensing unit 5-months after the 5-year warranty was up...$8900 to fix ended up getting a Daikin System $10k...probably the same damn Asian company own Carrier and Lenox!
Sounded like an installer issue. Not pulling a proper vacuum. See it all the time.
@@FlyEaglesFly19111 It's usually an installer issue based on history. Too many so called HVAC tech's out there collecting money from customers yet they barely know a multimeter from a set of gauges let alone use them.
Suggestion-Single stage is the way to go. If the better and best break down the parts cost a lot more and so does the labor. Keep it simple and cost effective. But there are other major companies that own many major brands. Do your homework and look for the best deal too. Lots of You Tube references that can teach you much too. All the best on your next furnance.
I currently have a Carrier Weathermaker 8000 from 1996. I live in Tucson. What would you replace it with?
Our company installs the Bryant version of these but if it were my house I would go with the “preferred” version. Which is the 2 stage variable speed furnace.
Which one is more durable?? Which one is less to maintain??
Single stage everything. Word out there is a lot of the new systems are not built as well as older ones therefore, won't last 30 years as many have. Single stage is durable however, more noise although much less noise than a 1995 unit and more uneven heating and cooling than a two stage compressor because, as in the past or older units, single stage comes on with 100% of its capacity until the thermostat turns them off while two stage units will ramp up or down to the lower powered and less noisy speeds to maintain slight temperature loads which also take away hot and cold spots inside the home. Compressors in either category do not require maintenance however, the coils outside do require a look to be sure they aren't getting dirty with dirt, leaves and sometimes lint from clothes dryer exhaust ports that might be nearby the A/C unit. Bottom line, the "Good" one is the best value if you are not concerned with a little more noise and don't need to be spoiled with "perfect" heated or cooled air circulation. Those looking to save even more on gas and electricity costs will need to go with the two stage and variable stage units but they also come with more components to rely on.
Great information, thanks!
Great video Joe. Thanks for sharing. The editing and clear description makes understanding easy.
Are these interchangeable with outside condender units? For example a modulating furnace with a Performance 16 SEER straight cool condenser
Single is best long term total cost of ownership
59MN7 is 60 stages of heat not 5. fully modulates up and down in the same heating cycle.
GOOD = less crap to go wrong.
Exactly. Except the best have more features to keep you comfortable, but a lot of the features are just unnecessary.
what should the dip switch settings be on a new carrier 59TP6 furnace with a Eco bee tstat. my installer didn't seem to confident he left them at factory positions? Thanks
Your owners manual have what you are looking for.
If doing a new construction and elected to go for a two zone system, does that mean you would need one or two condenser fans outside and will the be variable speed?
The more basic the unit, the less it costs to repair; of course the monthly bill would be higher. When it comes time to replace Infinity parts not under warranty, the prices for repair parts alone are outrageous. Pay me now or later... Carrier has it all covered.
How about reliability rating between them?
where to purchase this product ?, cause we can not purchase from Home Depot .
and what is the best ducting size ? , 14x8 , 16x8 or something.....
Prices, what should I expect to pay for these units. My home is small so I think a single stage would be the best option for me.
Prices vary from state to state and it seems like I have been getting price increases daily now for the past month. A good ballpark price for a 60,000btu single stage furnace should cost around $4,000-$4,500 installed.
2nd Orion will run you $16000
The 3rd option is $18000
Insanely pricy
That’s what my local dealer presented me
Used the tactics
Good
Better
Best
Was mad I didn’t purchase it
I knew what he was doing trying to sell me to a car sales man .
Thank you, good job 👍
Hey Joe, great video! I bought a house for my daughter and I’m looking for a 40000 btu down flow furnace. It’s a small house, 1000s/f on a slab with the duct work in the slab. I found a new furnace model number 59SC5B040E1__12 . The manual says it can be installed in many configurations including down flow but the installer says no. Do you know if it can be? Thanks in advance, DR
Without looking at your job to see if there are any obstacles to not allow for this furnace to be installed as a downflow. All I can do is reference the installation manual in which it says it can be installed as a downflow.
@@MetroHCI everything is completely open just a square hole in the floor!
Can I mix the best furnace with medium AC?
Yes
Do you homework, Carrier/Byant/ Payne High Eff have big problems
59tp6 should be the middle furnace...also if you pay more for the carrier label you are nuts...buy Bryant it's the exact same unit with the same warranty for about 20% less...of course Carrier dealers won't tell you this
I install Payne the last 4 years ,. Great and cheap and almost identical. . Customers are very happy with performance and price. Of course I always avoid complicated 2 stage and modulating bs models.Single stage always for less problems
Even Payne, aireco Air, Heil, and the others.
Nick Greek what part of the country are you in?
BDP company. Part of Carrier company stands for Bryant, Day&Night and Payne. They are almost identical, except for the cabinet color and logo label. The commercial equipment is a little different between BDP and Carrier. I would just go with a Bryant, Payne, or Day and Night, which ever is available in your part of the country. I’ve worked on all three, over a 30 year timeframe, and they are just as reliable as the Carrier version.
Even Goodman is a decent choice. Goodman oversee's Amana and now, Daikin oversees Goodman. Daikin is huge and keeps their products simple to be reliable I'm told
Is Comfort Aire a Carrier furnace? If so, is there a difference?
Carrier is owned by International Comfort Products (ICP). I have never heard of Comfort Aire. Here is the link to the ICP website: www.icpusa.com/en/us/our-brands/
@@MetroHCI Thanks for the quick reply. Google Comfort Aire. they exist. Had a furnace company tell me they were owned by Carrier or it was a Carrier product
@@MetroHCI comfort maker, Aireco Air, Heil, Payne, Bryant.. they all fall under ICP
@@MetroHCI Carrier is now Carrier, they are on their own I'm told recently.
Sounds like an RV line of HVAC equipment
I am getting the second choice 2 stage
It’s going to cost me $15000
I know they are making money on me .
But that’s what it is .
The guy quoted me $18638 for the second choice .
Got him for 15k.
They are installing a honey well thermostat .
Is possible to get him to change to Eco?
I like that style better ?
after an extensive research went with infinity green speed top of line 26 seer W/iWAVE HUMIDIFIER
Replace the entire line refrigerant as well surge protector .
$13000 installed .havac business never mentions the cost.
paid cash they originally wanted $22400 ,since my AC is working I don't care if I replace it or not.
Gave me a deal
Ur comparing the same brand
Worst furnace ever. Look up class action lawsuit Carrier.
Thank you I was just getting ready to buy Carrier over 3 others
That was for a failing secondary heat exchanger on earlier 90 percent mvp and mvc models which is covered for 20 years parts and labor, these secondarys are like a trane secondary the cells are separated by metal fins they're pretty decent now had a few hiccups a few years back like pressure switches opening from the Inducer port being too small which could easily be drilled larger which it is on the newer models. Hate the clamps they use on the drain trap though
Premier was also a blunder...in the 1990's
Folks stay away from modulating furnaces they are a pain in the ass to repair and when their out of warranty hang on to your wallet
any advice on AC units? 2-stage compressors vs variable speed inverters?
I wish the design was lighter, better and easy !!! Most Furnaces are not that ! Placement of the Filter is outdated ! The fact that you have to go through all the wiring in a furnace to place a FILTER the DESIGN HAS TO GET BETTER , Including the Thermostat the size of a sm envelope with no thought to those with vision issues ?? The FONT small ?? It is 2023 with Electric Car and a FURNANCE STILL DESIGNED IN THE 20'S ramp it up a bit DESIGNER not a bit A LOT !!! I don't want to try , try to place a FILTER IN A "V" 'SHAPE so that it stays the way it should and again DESIGN FLAW !!! Go back to the drawing board get someone ADVANCED ,
junk, junkery, junkiest!
Never ever buy a Carrier. th-cam.com/video/Cy46yTbkNhI/w-d-xo.html
Didn't they move
to Mexico !
Bad, terrible, the worst.
How do you sell to Indians? Every time I go to an Indian persons house, I feel ripped off of my time and I come out stinking.
Not necessary.
Indians like coupons say you have friends and family discount
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They don’t know they just like to brag to their friends that they got a great deal .
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