I'm convinced this is all that most prisoners need-- a chance to do something fulfilling and meaningful and find a sense of purpose and belonging in a society that cares for them. Especially if their crimes were merely economic ones or crimes of addiction. Instead in many societies, we just jam them into a hole and forget about them; let them languish in a hopeless cycle of poverty, stigma, depression and desperation until they resort to desperate actions once again. Obviously, war is not a happy or ideal existence for anyone (the very worst of us aside), but still it is nice to see these men feel hope and self-worth and I hope Ukraine AND other places will learn something and rethink our approach to criminal-justice and find more sensible, economical AND humane ways to deal with it than mass-incarceration.
We say that incarceration is how criminals pay their debt to society. With that said, putting your life on the line for your homeland during an invasion should be considered payment in full. These men are not heroes because their motivations are not selfless but they deserve some respect.
@@sitrepSNAFU Ukraine's giving a second chance to petty thieves, not Russia drying up all of its manpower reserves from every nook and cranny, including violent prisoners and rapists.
@@terrified057t4 yeah a totally different set-up. Ukraine is determined to join the EU, and that would involve a fair legal process, plus a fair shot at reform.
I fear that things will not go well for these guys. The US military learned long ago that the best, most survivable soldiers come from volunteers among the middle class. The major purpose of Basic Training is to impose a new total institution on a person in order to eliminate life ways and habits that do not contribute to mission accomplishment and survival. All are punished for the transgressions of one in order to teach new soldiers to solve discipline problems among each other. Rules are enforced and conformity to rules is inspected, rigorously, in order to build cohesion. These guys aren't getting that. Some seem genuinely motivated to change, but when things go pear-shaped, most will revert to what they know. They will be kept as a separate cohort and there will be a tendency by commanders to spend them as such. Compare this to the difference in training and equipment between Territorial Guard units and the AFU regulars. Territorial Guards are generally used to relieve the assault groups in static defense. They stand firm. They are trusted to stand firm. These guys... a fair-minded commander is going to be hard pressed to figure out how to integrate them. A prejudiced commander is going to spend them like a disposable asset. And I feel for the guy who got catfished. Just, ouch. However, he has someone to fight FOR. Maybe it's real, maybe not. But she's real to HIM. I stared at my wife's picture for hours and wrote letters home. Things didn't work out well for us (either), but she kept me alive.
Ah. It can be difficult when the discipline is not there while attention is granted. Oleksii still needs to learn outward respect by listening and letting others speak, and coordinate in turns. I know he has been in prison for a while, and he has not had a voice, but continues to talk over someone else. I understand young people do dumb things, as much as myself, though I stayed out of trouble and never truly robbed anyone because I wasn't that impoverished, in truth. I also volunteered to be in the Marines when I was 19. He hasn't seen what respect in communication can cultivate, as well as he knows talking when someone brings up a point carries a sense of intention and continuous involvement, but there are other things he must learn in communication and simple respects, especially to Farmer who died. I would have slapped him, softly, sincerely, to tell him to chill, and that his actions and words are betraying himself as actually being fraudulent to intelligence and respect. He may get it eventually, as I truly hope he does to calm down a bit and be productive as a team, and respectful to leadership and his mates even at the smallest level. If he doesn't, it will be a shit show.. just as the battalion's head sgt had said.
It is time for rebirth, renewal, and rehabilitation from what these men have self-taught themselves. I do pray them luck and my hat tips in their direction for choosing to make a difference. just don't make me throw it at you. lol
While I am fully against Putin and his invasion ... and against his whole regime, it is extremely fascinating how Russia's recruitment of prisoners is qualified as low and sleezy, but Ukraine's recruitment of prisoners is noble and good. It could be a great example to give in a class about media, perspectives, biases, etc. I am not against it by the way. As long as the regime is honest and does not use them as cannon fodder. Putin's regime and army is not known for being truly honest and legal in their methods (I have real examples in mind, like young men sent to the front without an actual contract) and their prisoner recruits are sent to high-risk deathzones (according to Ukrainian soldiers). Anyway, on a positive note: becoming a soldier can be a great way to change your life, give yourself discipline, if you were falling into criminality, but of course this is a bloody war.
Ukraine values human life. Russian politics does not. It does not take a genius to understand. Even for a criminal. They are still humans. Ukraine does not deploy "fodder" tactics.
I think it's exploitative on both sides but Russia is fucked in it's propaganda ideas. They always want to be the manliest men around, so they recruited violent offenders like murderers and rapists. Then those stocks ran out and they turned to every other prisoner, and then same as they ran out. Now they're throwing anything at the Ukrainians and barely holding on. These Ukrainians are petty thieves and this video is a part of a greater mass information campaign to make this a "Noble Action" for a good cause. These men are remorseful and wanting to correct their mistake by serving and possibly dying for the nation.
There are huge differences between Russian and Ukrainian recruitment, but in your almighty ignorance you posted a semi novell without doing any research hence that makes you a troll. Just bother yourself with a 15 minute research and will see what a fundamental difference there is between Russia and Ukraine.
Like Putin is original, N O T !! Almost every war had ex prisoners serve in their military, this is nothing new. In Russia you are forced, unlike in Ukraine.
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Good luck to all; hell of a way to reintegrate into society.
Yep, they took the easiest choices while younger and now they've taken the most difficult.
You have to admire the development. Good luck to them.
In prison you trust no one. And now you must trust someone with your life. I don’t think most can comprehend how hard this is for them. GL men
I'm convinced this is all that most prisoners need-- a chance to do something fulfilling and meaningful and find a sense of purpose and belonging in a society that cares for them. Especially if their crimes were merely economic ones or crimes of addiction. Instead in many societies, we just jam them into a hole and forget about them; let them languish in a hopeless cycle of poverty, stigma, depression and desperation until they resort to desperate actions once again. Obviously, war is not a happy or ideal existence for anyone (the very worst of us aside), but still it is nice to see these men feel hope and self-worth and I hope Ukraine AND other places will learn something and rethink our approach to criminal-justice and find more sensible, economical AND humane ways to deal with it than mass-incarceration.
the society does not care about em tho
Thank you for this interesting report. Your content is really great.
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Har de fødselsdag!
@@InfiltrateIndustries Nej ikke i dag; men kæmper for overlevelse lige nu
We say that incarceration is how criminals pay their debt to society. With that said, putting your life on the line for your homeland during an invasion should be considered payment in full. These men are not heroes because their motivations are not selfless but they deserve some respect.
03:41 Issued US Army BDU's, something symbolic in this man wearing this uniform for Ukraine, keeping the US Army on it.
I suppose it is because it's training gear?
Please support Ukraine
this are a true heros...
not thos who are running from army, from Ukraine, not thos who not send any help to army...not thos...
bro just got out of prison and already getting catfished online 😯
“Wind of Change” 🌀(The Scorpions) in Russia, with a little help from Ukraine. 🔥
there's a fuzzy line that runs between redemption and exploitation. Wise to keep an eye on it.
you are talking about a nazi regime, and a country fighting for its existence
If you have ever seen the "Dirty Dozen" ones talks/walks they all get it. Self policing. One unit or nothing. ~ E Pluribus Unum Slava Ukrainii! 🔱
@@sitrepSNAFU Ukraine's giving a second chance to petty thieves, not Russia drying up all of its manpower reserves from every nook and cranny, including violent prisoners and rapists.
@@terrified057t4 yeah a totally different set-up. Ukraine is determined to join the EU, and that would involve a fair legal process, plus a fair shot at reform.
I fear that things will not go well for these guys. The US military learned long ago that the best, most survivable soldiers come from volunteers among the middle class. The major purpose of Basic Training is to impose a new total institution on a person in order to eliminate life ways and habits that do not contribute to mission accomplishment and survival. All are punished for the transgressions of one in order to teach new soldiers to solve discipline problems among each other. Rules are enforced and conformity to rules is inspected, rigorously, in order to build cohesion. These guys aren't getting that.
Some seem genuinely motivated to change, but when things go pear-shaped, most will revert to what they know. They will be kept as a separate cohort and there will be a tendency by commanders to spend them as such. Compare this to the difference in training and equipment between Territorial Guard units and the AFU regulars. Territorial Guards are generally used to relieve the assault groups in static defense. They stand firm. They are trusted to stand firm. These guys... a fair-minded commander is going to be hard pressed to figure out how to integrate them. A prejudiced commander is going to spend them like a disposable asset.
And I feel for the guy who got catfished. Just, ouch. However, he has someone to fight FOR. Maybe it's real, maybe not. But she's real to HIM. I stared at my wife's picture for hours and wrote letters home. Things didn't work out well for us (either), but she kept me alive.
The Dirty Dozen was a movie about this
I'm not sure about the "blonde" 😂😂
He won’t come back because the Ukrainian command will send them to the most brutal part of the frontline
its over..
Ah. It can be difficult when the discipline is not there while attention is granted. Oleksii still needs to learn outward respect by listening and letting others speak, and coordinate in turns. I know he has been in prison for a while, and he has not had a voice, but continues to talk over someone else. I understand young people do dumb things, as much as myself, though I stayed out of trouble and never truly robbed anyone because I wasn't that impoverished, in truth. I also volunteered to be in the Marines when I was 19. He hasn't seen what respect in communication can cultivate, as well as he knows talking when someone brings up a point carries a sense of intention and continuous involvement, but there are other things he must learn in communication and simple respects, especially to Farmer who died. I would have slapped him, softly, sincerely, to tell him to chill, and that his actions and words are betraying himself as actually being fraudulent to intelligence and respect. He may get it eventually, as I truly hope he does to calm down a bit and be productive as a team, and respectful to leadership and his mates even at the smallest level. If he doesn't, it will be a shit show.. just as the battalion's head sgt had said.
It is time for rebirth, renewal, and rehabilitation from what these men have self-taught themselves. I do pray them luck and my hat tips in their direction for choosing to make a difference. just don't make me throw it at you. lol
While I am fully against Putin and his invasion ... and against his whole regime,
it is extremely fascinating how Russia's recruitment of prisoners is qualified as low and sleezy, but Ukraine's recruitment of prisoners is noble and good. It could be a great example to give in a class about media, perspectives, biases, etc. I am not against it by the way. As long as the regime is honest and does not use them as cannon fodder. Putin's regime and army is not known for being truly honest and legal in their methods (I have real examples in mind, like young men sent to the front without an actual contract) and their prisoner recruits are sent to high-risk deathzones (according to Ukrainian soldiers). Anyway, on a positive note: becoming a soldier can be a great way to change your life, give yourself discipline, if you were falling into criminality, but of course this is a bloody war.
Cause justifies means
@@chrisfetas2181 Yes, the context does justify it. I understand.
Ukraine values human life. Russian politics does not. It does not take a genius to understand. Even for a criminal. They are still humans. Ukraine does not deploy "fodder" tactics.
I think it's exploitative on both sides but Russia is fucked in it's propaganda ideas. They always want to be the manliest men around, so they recruited violent offenders like murderers and rapists. Then those stocks ran out and they turned to every other prisoner, and then same as they ran out. Now they're throwing anything at the Ukrainians and barely holding on. These Ukrainians are petty thieves and this video is a part of a greater mass information campaign to make this a "Noble Action" for a good cause. These men are remorseful and wanting to correct their mistake by serving and possibly dying for the nation.
There are huge differences between Russian and Ukrainian recruitment, but in your almighty ignorance you posted a semi novell without doing any research hence that makes you a troll. Just bother yourself with a 15 minute research and will see what a fundamental difference there is between Russia and Ukraine.
Russians watching this LOL
"How Zelensky learnt to be properly worried and copy the Russians" 😁
These men aren't murderers and rapists like how the Orcs did.
Like Putin is original, N O T !!
Almost every war had ex prisoners serve in their military, this is nothing new.
In Russia you are forced, unlike in Ukraine.
Not even close you ignorant Serf, so some research and you might learn something. POS