Who's The Strongest Repentance Character?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2021
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The time has come for me to finally weigh in on the Repentance characters! In this video I rank them based on their perceived strength and ability to win runs consistently (although my criteria changes every 5 minutes), check it out and do what everyone does with tier lists -- find something to disagree with! - เกม
Tainted Eden is easy, when you get a good run just decide not to get hit ever again
Holy shit. I've never thought about that. Thanks man.
"don't get hit 4head"
I think tainted is good in the fact that there’s more value in just getting more items. It only takes 3 good items in your random item pool to allow you to survive until you get hit again. But getting hit a couple times can drain your hp.
you just gotta play like tainted lost, it's EZ
Doesn't the rerolling rotate though? It's not like old rerolling. It's like 3 different inventories you can cycle through by getting hit isn't it?
"Gun to my head, if you asked me to choose between Tainted Lost and Tainted Eden I'd just say 'Pull the trigger.'"
I died laughing
Same that was gold
both are nothing compared to both versions of the twins and tainted lazarus
Same, I was listening and drinking hot chocolate, when he said that I nearly spat my drink 😂
t lazarus is fine and just annoying now. the bad opinions of him are from before flip had a ghost item
@@SrakenKraken lost and tainted lost are the two hardest characters by a long shot, next would be tainted jacob. Tainted laz isn't bad at all, way stronger than most.
"I see you making typos, you're gonna tell me you play Dark Judas optimally 100% of the time?" what an iconic line
The new NL just comes right out and drops the video all the Isaac stans were waiting for. I don’t even know wtf is going on still but I’ve just been watching the Isaac for the banter for like 4 years
“Isaac stans” is a very repulsive term
@@Mazerwolf lol sorry
@@Mazerwolf yeah I puked a little in my mouth
@@autismo4029 I came a little in my pants
@@Mazerwolf oh no! anyway
I think people undervalue spectral tears. Especially in conjunction with flight. You give me spirit of the night an Eden start and I will give you a won run most of the time. This is what make the losts so much easier than they originally appear. The defensive utility is unmatched.
Agreed, spectral by itself is alright but together with flight it's amazing, can cheese so many rooms
Good. If I saw Ded dove in an ultra secret room or a Angel room(same with spirit of the night in devil rooms.)I would be Glad. Same for a Start if picked Eden and I rolled ded dove or spirit of the night that was my random passive.
I don't think people undervalue it, it's great in many rooms. But there's also plenty of rooms where flight and spectral don't help you at all, and you've just got to not get hit. That's when The Lost sucks.
yeah but it takes forever most dont like to wait and love tainted cain with the bag of crafting to literally get whatever they want
‘Ham sandwich’ is a scarily accurate tier ranking to define me as a human being
Funny, Captain America Pre Super Serum was already how I described myself.
@@Wewin42 lmao
How do you think I feel as someone who intentionally buys light cream cheese products
Pre covid lock down I felt I was a solid low pub nachos tier but I’m definitely a light cream cheese product now
@@IanZWhite00 Trash, I believe, is how you feel. GET ON MY LEVEL _dabs furiously_
My god, those tier names are something else.
the tier colors hurt me physically, why is pink between green and blue
I’m hungry for nachos now
The fact that NL didn’t unify his tiers as either pop culture characters or food items disturbs me
Make me think I’m MIGHTY SICK 😬😬😬
It is a tear list after all
@@VioAerials oktttllo ini you tt I rayuyyyyyyy
I mean cheese and ham is there so...
@@Johnstuntin uuuh what
NL and chat have such a charged relationship with each other when it comes to Isaac lol
Finally, another tier list. My gourd was already brimming with pog. Thank god for this release.
I feel like Apollyon got worse because items generally got better
I just found in Afterbirth+ you had to exercise more caution when it came to mediocre items. I would find myself underpowered by the end, and look to see that I only had like 8 items because "I'd rather have the stat upgrades." Well, you need something beside shotspeed ups to keep a run going. Repentance I'm not sure yet about void... we'll see in about 500 hours how I feel about him.
true, most items in the game are good and voiding items is useful only if the item you're voiding is a:
-good active item
-run-ruining passive item
-useless for you passive item
that's it. the only uses for the item.
If they made Void like one to two charges shorter, I would just use it more. As it stands, I hold onto charges for the whole floor because I either don't want to lose a good passive or I don't want to absorb something that has a better charge rate.
Void was nerfed to only absorb 1 item it choice item rooms
@@BlueRiging how do you feel about him
I like that half way through the naming scheme he went from Strong people to Food products
Tainted Judas is top tier. He just destroys Hush and Delirium because of their bullet barrage that you can just phase through and do a ton of damage. But that’s just the cherry on top, the active gives you infinite book of shadows effect so you can do a lot of things like: enter and exit curse rooms without taking damage, grab chests that are behind spikes, or any other consumable for that matter, you don’t have to wait for the spikes to go down and press the button to open the door on those puzzle rooms you can phase through straight to the button, obviously you can also dodge shots. The best part about the active is that not only are you invincible but the enemies are also frozen which gives you time to collect yourself.
Jesus, at first I thought you were baiting and said "Tainted Jacob"
@@fornax985 I tried to make tainted Jacob work and in theory he has his strengths like in greedier where there’s a lot of mobs that get killed by a dashing Esau and you can time and position him with the active, but in practice this is just hard AF to pull off. Screw tainted Jacob.
@@XxXasparXxX That's right, screw him
Thanks for being here, nl. Been watching since I was 15 now I have a wife lmao.
It’s me I’m your wife
Lel
Same here. I was watching Nl being an average Russian teenager and eventually I ended up becoming an English teacher and thus thankfully surviving rows of the most a-hole situations in my life. Without him, I wouldn’t have in the slightest. And I also got married as well, heh.
@@tnuriev5191 Hey Nuriev teacher, Obama!
Lucky for you. I was a loser 10 years ago and I'm still a loser. At least I'm a wise loser now.
Wow crazy to see tainted Cain is your favourite character in the game, should play him more often
read the title, strongest ≠ favourite
@@armageddongirl612 woosh
@@miguel7888 oh hey that's the sound that the wind does whenever someone like you makes an untrue, unfunny and unfitting woosh comment like you just did
@@armageddongirl612 damn i got got
@@armageddongirl612 Woosh is cringe and irrelevant but dunking on it still doesn't change the fact that you tried to correct the comment that was clearly a sarcasm.
i dont know if he changes it, but og cain does have a 1.2* damage multiplier which is quite strong, makes all damage ups add 1.2 damage rather than 1 and starts with 4.2 damage rather than 3.5. I think overall he could be in pub nachos tier just at the bottom.
Yeah, he starts with great damage, always gives good pills, and gambling pays out more, definitely at least pub nachos
I've been saying it for years. Cain is great. Even before the pills buff which now makes him just insanely reliable 😳
Yes! I love Cain so much! It’s so common that I get high luck simply because of his starting item + pills. Starts with good speed, the one eye means he’s more accurate, high damage. I rate him.
Cain is the best “basic” character in the game imo
You get 1 luck up pill and u snowball soooo hard
@@firstlast-wg2on holy fucking shit i never realized he only fires from one eye as opposed to alternating b/w both cuz of the eye patch. That’s fantasize attention to detail
Cain with lucky foot was ok but the repentance change where all the pill effects are either good or neutral plus 1 luck just really solidifies the core of the run. I also hate issac's base damage so Cain is a nice pick.
@Tasty_Tidep0d rerolling overrated, just take the bad item ez.
Cain is the best character in Flash Isaac because you can actually take pills without ruining your run.
NL full just went Virgin Dark Arts vs. Chad Berserker
“Ooo what if my invincibility runs out and I get hurt?” - Dark Arts
“Haha keyboard go brrrr” - Berserker
based and ragepilled
As someone who mains Samson and is desperately trying to get the tainted bertion, i feel like i just got blessed
he's insane for putting cain in the ham sandwich tier
I could listen to NL rank things in tier lists every day for the rest of my life and I’d be happy about it
"Cain is worse in repentance" cain literally got buffed for repentance
so did the enemy AI
I think he meant relative to the rest of the game. Whether or not you find that to be true personally, Cain's buffs don't automatically or necessarily make him better in Repentance than in AB+ relatively speaking.
imo cain is the best base character because of his superior stats and no bad pills, but that could be debatable
Cain was my favorite pre repentance and he`s still as strong. I do think regular Isaac is the strongest of them all. Getting an angel item from every angel statue you find, how could anything beat this ?
Why do people forget about the paperclip. They made golden chests drop more stat items so caim got buffed basically
I think Tainted Cain would make a good character for an Isaac race. He's extremely powerful, but you need to take time to become powerful and I think that the judgement of what level of strength will carry you through the run versus what level of strength you would want to spend a bit more time on would make for an interesting dynamic.
I'm tilted over Cain, he starts with good pills, free gold chests, and extra damage. He should be higher!!
and extra speed
He’s my favorite character yet he never gets the love he deserves.
I like how NL always says sorry to youtube when he has to leave for a bit. Like we can fast forward, twitch cannot. It's much more grueling to wait in chat then hit the right arrow key 5 times.
I feel like once NL has another 300 or so hours with the tainted characters alot of the places will change. Tainted Eve is super easy to stack clots with, since every heart collected past what is needed to be at full health can be turned into *two clots*. Clots act as body sheilds, and if somehow you are at very low health you can just sump them back, and then pump them out again. The 'charge can take longer then the summon' aspect can be annoying... but only if you have one of the very few items that can charge longer then it takes to fire.
Eve:
Taking damage to do damage? I disagree.
Immediately after
Samson:
Pub nachos
Me: Cereal
Eve has to be at one heart and you lose the dmg if you gain hp, samson gets more damage and you dont lose the damage until end of floor. You are not limited to the ammount of red hearts you can have too.
@@zacharia4061 yeah I definitely think Samson is overall better but I do think there’s a smaller gap between the two than NL gives credit for. The razor blade giving a damage up when used can be really useful to use a couple times on a boss to get down to 1 for a massive damage up. But overall Samson CAN be more powerful but it involves more min maxing with taking damage and getting health and all. And without the IV bag it’s hard to take damage intentionally while also preserving your deal chance
Yeah, Samson scales a lot better and synergizes with various other items that require you to take damage.
A wise man once said “the juice ain’t worth the squeeze”
Eve is a terrible character dud e
People keep in memories old Magdalene, but in Repentance she is top tier. With Angel items stronger than evil one AND the "full health" pill on first sacrifice room cheese is just broken.
Can you explain what you meant by the “full health” pill on the first sacrifice room cheese?
@@anti-ethniccleansing465basically, as Maggy starts with a full health pill after doing a challenge (dont remember which one), and if you get a first floor sac room, you can sac a bunch and abuse yum heart and the full health pill to at get Angel room+Angel item first floor
First time i tried it i got sacred heart + god head first floor
@@anti-ethniccleansing465super duper late, but basically, Maggy starts with a full health pill.
So, if you start with 4 hp, you can sac 3 times, use the full health pill, sac 3 times again, yum heart, then sack again
That’s a total of 7 times, in which the 6th and 7th time can potentially give you op angel items
@@victorkao1472
Thanks! I don’t recall getting a notification for the response from the previous reply person, which is not surprising because TH-cam hates my account for speaking inconvenient truths.
I actually just did the challenge recently to get the full health pill for her in Repentence (really sucks having to do all of these challenges over again for Nintendo switch because repentance wasn’t put out on the PS vita which I platinumed this game on during rebirth), so now I know what to do with that pill between you and the last commenter!
@@ArseAllowance
Please read my last comment here. Thank you again for your explanation! I appreciate your time!
I always thought it would be funny to have clips of NL out of context as sub alerts or gifted alerts or something. I put forward "You pay a heavy cost to get ham sandwich functioning" as a recommendation
please god don't bring back sub alerts
@@Revacholiere I've seen streamers have a bunch of possible alerts that can play at random rather than the same one over and over which is better IMO. Also maybe only for like 5+ gifted rather than every sub because I agree they can get in the way of the stream if it's constant
I miss sub alerts
NL did my boy Cain dirty
Good speed, good damage, good pills and more health than judas and a good trinket
@@andrewmcreynolds3692 one eye tho
I recently just did a Eve run with a new strat that I found in the comments, and my opinion of Eve 100% flipped. God Tier character. I nearly beat Mega Satan with literally NO good items, no damage ups, nothing. The only item I had to my advantage was infestation, which synergized really well. All my damage came from getting hp ups. I would use razor blade for damage up for the floor, get red hearts piled up. After clearing out the floor, get every red heart, go to the boss, remove all my hearts, get 15 damage stat and completely erase the boss w my flies and damage. I did this all the way to Mega Satan. Only reason I didnt win was bad red heart and item drop rng for the Chest. I went in with 1 rotten heart, 2 spirit hearts. Nearly beat him. Eve is disgustingly good.
*screw you satan im gonna give myself a small cut on my hand!*
U still lost tough
That's sounds so situational
I could listen to NL tier list analysis literally 24/7
could you though? i mean, literally?
@@MrAliFranca Yes. Literally.
Literally? Come on you need some sleep
@@vario6492 Yes literally
Loving the tier list names for this, especially with the switch from people for the highest and lowest tiers, to food preferences for the in-between tiers XD
Tainted Eve is seriously undervalued here. After about 40 hours T-Lost grind, T-Eve was my next character to complete and so far it took me 4 Runs to get All the original marks and I got Perfection on the third floor almost everytime.
T-Eve feels really strong so far. Only missing Beast, Mother and Greedier
yea genuinely no idea, tainted eve is so strong. sump is so broken its kinda like better incubus
The thing about Tainted Eve is, if you can get her past the first ~4 to 5 floors, it's basically unlosable from there. But she is absolutely one of the most inconsistent in the entire roster at getting to that point in the first place.
It's hard to even make it out of the basement with her, and if you ever get swarmed by Globins or something before you have a sustainable means of regenerating clots, you're basically at a full restart.
@@stygianskies4776 You think so? I consistently got perfection with T-eve at the third floor and since most of her strength comes from the bloodclots, shes relatively independent from Items on the first floors if you can get some heart drops
@@TheScar3cro They're really not as good as you're making them out to be. Pulling all the clots you can manage at floor 1, even assuming some heart drops, basically just puts you on the same level as any other generic character, if not a little worse due to the extra difficulty aiming and the hugely low tears that your clots sync back up with every new room. If you get that fatty/lil monstro room or the cellar bomb spider room, it's either over right there or you're gonna spend like 6 entire minutes barely clawing your way out.
@@stygianskies4776 I'm just telling you my experience from playing this character. I completed every mark in a maximum of 10 tries, which felt very great after about 500 runs of tainted lost
43:43 genuinely sums up essentially 95% of Isaac twitch chat/commenters and I’ve never seen it so accurately explained
Is it really that hard to just not take damage in exchange for attack power though?
@@ellagage1256 if not taking damage was so easy then this wouldn't really be a game would it
@@formerlypie8781 I mean it's a little easier when you have a layer of protection surrounding you
Tainted Eve is one of the best characters in the game, a bit of health quickly snowballs into a minion army. She only struggles a bit against end bosses with a lot of health since the aoe can eat through your minions quickly. I would put her pub nachos at least depending on what boss you're going to fight.
One thing I'll add that people might find interesting: if you find an item that allows you to switch characters like judas' shadow, you can convert all your health into minion than swap characters and you keep all the minions.
it’s crazy how powerful t lilith was before gello had value homing and now she’s god tier. hands down most faceroll character
"I don't mind if it's hard to deal damage as long as the damage done is really good"
So why is T.Eve in light cream cheese? 🤔
Magdeline starts with a full health pill, yum heart, and 4 hp, meaning you can always try for an angel item in the first sacrifice room
Would love to see a Tierlist of all new items, trinkets, cards etc. that Repentance added
I remember when Blue Baby was Pub Nachos-tier. Stupid nerf to invincibility mechanics.
wait, when was blue babby EVER good?
@@armageddongirl612
He used to have the Cursed Skull + Scapular combo, which prevented death at the cost of (the player's) sanity
@@armageddongirl612 Polaroid made the late game a lot easier
just got outta work and I'm ready for some pog tier list making
Those tier list names are so accurate it’s incredible
I know this is late but I keep seeing everyone how people think t Apollyons locusts are weak or only mild damage up. The locusts create from abyss deal your damage. Not only do they deal your damage but when they make contact with an enemy they can do up to 3 ticks of your damage per second. Essentially meaning the locusts can at max do 3 times your damage and at worse exactly your damage but most of the time is around 2 to 3 times your damage. Basically the locusts are cracked that scale significantly better from damage ups than you actually do and to top it off they are permanent unlock the lil clot buddies. Abyss being an s tier item and Apollyon being top tier is a mountain I’m willing to die on. With abyss literally any item you don’t want is a permanent massive dps upgrade. Yea abyss doesn’t have a lot of cool synergies which does suck but abyss and t Apollyon are just objectively really strong.
The tier names in this list are heavy Dan Gheesling energy and I high-key love it
Just wanted to compliment the thumbnail. It looks great! Keep it up, boss.
My boi T-Apollyon really climbed some spots right there, happy that he is getting even better in the next update :)
Eagerly awaiting part 2
Bethany’s my strongest character because my save file is bugged and the game gives me free random wisps every time I clear a room lmao
Interesting fact:
If you have that bug in multiplayer, the other player will get the wisps too
"I am like a normal person with colegee degree, I do not play Greed Mode"
He is speaking language of gods
i actually liked Afterbirth+ keeper, the number of shop items that could help a ton was great, piggy bank, blanket etc. literally all you had to do was buy bombs and blow up some pots until you got swallowed penny and it's a won run
I might be wrong, but I think Tainted Apollyon is a lot stronger than you give him credit for; recently I picked up Mega Tears that caused my regular tiers deal around 20+ damage (when it was more like 4-5 damage previously), and the Red Locusts that swarmed around me was pretty much killing every single enemy with one fly. I had around 20ish flies when I battled Hush, and he was just melting (and this was a run where my character's tear firing was around 1.15 speed, so he wasn't firing the tears very fast)
The fact that Tainted Apollyon is capable of not only gaining extra damage output with the locusts that is upgraded by your damage itself increasing means that the Red Locusts can synergize with your character in dealing a lot of extra damage towards bosses. With that same build, I almost killed Delirium in about 30 seconds (but I died due to lack of Hearts and bullet spam/teleporting). The fact that he is one of the only characters that are 100% capable of turning any item into damage can make any run with garbage item generation into something always playable. Just focus on picking up damage-uping items and turn the rest into locusts, and Tainted Apollyon can shred pretty much anything you want.
I would put Tainted Apollyon around low Pub Nachos, whilst keeping Apollyon in High Light Cream Cheese. Apollyon (Regular Form) is a lot more dependent on Item Generation to actually be good, and is a character that is designed to turn bad passive items into descent/good character upgrades or can turn active items into a massive pool that can cause damage... but that is REALLY dependent on what items spawn in. Tainted Apollyon is generally always going to be stronger in most situations, and unlike Apollyon where Passive Items upgrade 1 or 2 random slots of the character that can be worthless, Tainted always adds damage... damage where the Locusts in question are going to be usually always stronger than your standard Tear Attacks. A Tainted Apollyon run that has the Locust swarms in the double digits is an Apollyon that is going to rip most problems apart, especially if you can get a few passives that increase damage (even if it's the likes of Pentagon and not Mega Tears).
the fact that you can buy active items on sale in the shop for just five cents and then turn them into flies is insane too, with void you just vaccum up the active item instead of getting stats which makes normal apollyon much worse than t. apollyon imo
Omg! The package bit was gold! This egg knows what side of the bread has the butter
I was so ready for another edit when he went to get his package.
Yo finally a good tier list , but I think lost should be higher slightly and cain should also be higher
Dude some of these are insane. TAzazel is almost at the top but TEve is near the bottom somehow. Same for Lilith, no clue what’s going through his mind.
I will always stand by Lilith in Pub Nachos tier minimum. She’s such a fun character that can easily break the game at any given point.
Edmund is triggered
Really surprised that T. Keeper was put mid-tier. I thought he’d place him at the top.
I mean, he's arguably the best-designed and most enjoyable character in the game. However, having only 2 coin hearts means that you're as frail as the Lost if you can't harvest coins from your enemies. And a lot of late-game bosses and areas will take long enough to kill that you might get starved out. I typically find that the Chest/Dark Room rooms filled with bosses are hard to survive, because you have to chew through a lot of boss health in order to get your second wind. A lot of the time, it just doesn't come soon enough. So as much as I love T Keeps, I think that's a fair ranking. You could argue for low Pub Nachos, though.
@@Drekromancer that's just skill issue😭
Sad Lilith is so low down. But NL is bad with her. She is one of my Best characters when it comes to win rates.
How
Mood
@@simondezeeuw2042 play her like Samson. Extra Incubus, Twisted Pair are both god tier items. Leech can help recover the health you spent on blood machines. Dark bum is nerfed, but still decent. The turret baby and lil abadon are the only cambian payouts id consider low rolls.
My kind of tier list. I'm going to start ranking things on a range of Light Cream Cheese Product to Pub Nachos
Tainted lost is the easiest then you go tainted Cain if you want something a little harder
hey NL thanks for not editing out the part where you went to go get that package.
Northenlion not editing out the dead air is peak egghead
I think Tainted Eve is the biggest miss for me. I did lose a lot with her at first, but after learning to utilize things like keeping all containers empty before picking up health ups, not going ALL in on damage, recalling from time to time just not to get splashed for 10 hearts with one bomb etc i just BLITZED through the postit, winning run after run. She surprisingly consistent, has a great floor (despite bad teara you can just shotgun with clots from the start for great damage) and ABSURD celling - clots are virtualy limitless and you are SO good with angel rooms that most of the time i find myself with full health and 20-30 clots, not even needing to go into my health for damage anymore. Yes, charged items are awkward and if you dont pay attention (or dont have muscle memory to recall from time to time just to keep safe). The ability to turn every single red heart into damage /that scales/ is just insane, you melt /everything/ and snowball so hard. Honestly, i find her top Pub Nachos/low Mountain at least
Also clots are familiars so they have some /sick/ item and trinket synergy. Also i like how TEve makes me think different about items, for example making me actively excited to see plain +1hp item insted of going 'meh'.
E: recalling also does good damage, to the point in which you can just leave your clots on the other side of the room before spawning a boss in a greed mode and just wreck it by pressing Q a single time xd Abait i dont love TEve for greedier, Ultra Greed is possibly the hardest Boss for her due to all of the brim and explosions - Delirium at least gets a big room to dodge around
"Cain is worse in Repentance" LITERALLY HOW?? He got a HUGE buff.
i have never played this game and mostly only watch you. This list is true.
cant wait to watch this pog
Can’t wait for the 7 hour item ranks
Maggy has given me a sacred heart first floor. Cain just turns a big drop you find almost always good and you can just play using whatever you find.
i'm on my first 100 hours of the game and i enjoy regular Cain a lot of the handful of characters i've unlocked (i've barely done any challenges yet). the extra luck feels very noticeable to me, and makes me feel like i have a fighting chance even if the 2 hp means i might die early in a hard room. I take less devil deals and keep HP more often than with isaac. the eye patch makes me feel like kurt russell
Big Coney energy on these tier names
Eve bros... Dont look
i love how when he first beggined he complained about all the tiers because "then its just ranking them" and then at the end literally ranked them
Im expecting tainted cain to a masterpiece already
That Dark Judas typo comment had me rolling! So fucking true tho!
WHAT IS AN EDDIE ROOM
I guess it's the sacrifice room
Sacrifice Room which haven't gotten any better in Repentance i guess but Angel deals are better
these tier lists make my life good
Just waiting for the tier list of I think you should leave season 2
I think the only way to make tainted cain kinda interesting is to ban portable slot and try to get a broken run without getting the guaranteed bone heart, it still is really easy to win because there are tons of really good items you can get for cheap
I think tainted Eden is the best character. Just play long enough and you become so powerful.
36:00 - I'ma be honest, once I 100% completed Tainted Cain, he was forever dead to me. As one of the first tainted characters unlocked, and I didn't unlock every single new item in Repentence yet, most of the times winging it lead to me getting Breakfest (Milk) all the time. I never cared for him, so I just went to the wiki and found the recipe to finish him... in one playthrough.
Except for Super Greed, my Tainted Cain run was over 3.5 hours long. A single run. Now some it was due to getting about 3-5 Steam items and constantly screwing with the Stores all the time after getting infinite items. I pretty much had a playstyle where I got a basic set of items so that I could finish the Chest/Dark Chest/Hush/Boss Rush/Deri/Beast/Mega/Corpse Mom all at once:
- Gnaw Leaf
- Steam (3-5 times for practically free items)
- Restock for infinite Store Items
- BFF (To have DLL to more damage per stomp)
- Daddy Long Legs multiple times (I think I had like 30ish or so when I finished)
- Dad's Key to unlock Mega Satan
- Schoolbag to hold two Active Items
- Mama Mega! to Unlock ??? and Boss Rush in a SANE matter (since trying to play Tainted Cain legit and rushing to them is suicide/dumb)
- R Key, to start the run all over again and keep all the items
I just often left the computer after entering a boss room and just grabbed a drink and watched videos. After multiple attempts of trying to play Tainted Cain 'randomly', I had no desire to play him and just wanted to do anything else. I wanted to be done as fast as possible. Definitely my least favourite. After over 3 hours, almost 4 hours, I did all but Super Greed on a single run. Half of those hours were not finishing the stamps, but just dealing with the store over and over again to get any item that was descent.
Sure, I COULD have went for more powerful moves and attempted to do it that way... but I honestly never had fun trying him anyways, even through different measures (which I did in Super Greed, I just got Super Mushrooms over and over and before fighting Gold Boy just made different random items after turning the Store into a convoluted mess of different items scattered everywhere, which is the only place where I had any 'fun' with the character). Tainted Cain feels more like a Greed Character than even Keeper/Tainted Keeper does, and as Binding is a game where a playthrough is usually around 20~40 minutes per run, Tainted Cain is just double that amount with how you constantly have to play with the Store and easy items just to get somewhere. The fact that he is the only character where I feel a Wiki is warranted is a character that I just don't care for.
If I wanted to play a Store-Based character, I'll play Keeper or his Tainted Form; they are much better characters. If it wasn't for Mama Mega! existing, I probably wouldn't have even bothered trying to 100% the character.
Some people are iffy on the Eve placement, but as much as I like her I gotta agree she's weak. Eve is kinda frustrating because she used to be SO much better in Afterbirth/AB+ than she is in Repentance due to the meta shift to red hearts and angel rooms. In AB, with Eve all you had to do was stack blue hearts, sell all your red hearts, and you'd coast to an easy victory. In Repentance, devil rooms and items are worse and blue hearts are rarer, so you might just run out of resources and die by attrition, while if you go angel rooms it becomes super fiddly to keep Babylon up.
I totally agree with you man
45:50 might just be the funniest thing I've heard all week
I would really like to see his win stats compared to this list
Time to rerank all the items now ;)
We love to seeeee it 🤌🏻💣💥
Best tier list for this game, with the possible swap of tainted eden and J&E
I wish tainted Isaac started with fewer item slots, maybe even as ridiculously low as 4, but have more ways to increase his item slots than just the 1/500+ chance of getting birthright. Idk how that would be implemented though.
8 is fine
jacob and esau get a pass for being bad since they also are cool as hell as a concept.
they probably need to introduce something to make the character less bad. maybe everytime 1 character picks up an item, the other gets a pill worth of stats? that way, each item would have an effect on both characters.
Does he not now that Cain starts with higher speed and damage
One thing to note with Bethany is that she can stockpile uses on her active, which makes her really good for bossfights
if you get eraser on her the runs become really fun trying to meet no enemies ever again
He also didn't mention that the red heart stockpile works on normal active items as well. Can be very good if you get one that's at all useful.
Eyy this is actually fire. =)
NL: Samson+blood bank= won floor
Also NL: blood oath=useless
The difference is you can choose when you engage with the blood bank, blood oath is going to proc no matter what and you're going to start the floor with 1 HP.
ignoring all the money and the blood bag item
This one is gonna do numbers
If we're back in the tier list mines, how about ITYSL season 2 sketches tier list?
reranking of all 16000 items when?
thanks for the company
the real question is whether NL actually knows that t bethany has reduced item strength
Wonder what the list is like now with updated older characters.
I thought about this too. TLaz is basically fine now, and TJacob and TEden are FAR less bullshit than before. Normal Laz and Blue Bozzy got a little help too. I'd probably call regular Laz a low Pub Nachos, TLaz a Ham Sandwich, and Blue Bozzy, TJacob, and TEden a Light Cream Cheese Product. You could argue that TJacob and TEden are still Captain America pre-serum though.
in repentance shot speed and range are separated from each other
also for someone who says luck doesn't matter you sure hold on tight to perfection on the lost
At 10:28 he starts talking about flowcharts for each character. He implies that each character has certain steps that you should take each floor to give you a better chance at winning. But i couldnt find anything anywhere talking about flowcharts. He talked a about it as is its common knowledge. Can someone please help me here?