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As Simon and Gemma know ; I spent many years on SARINDA with John Peer and all our family , I know every part of her , Simon & Gemma are not just restoring her , they are giving her life again . Frankly how anybody could leave negative comments is beyond comprehension !! Having sailed on her countless times and subsequently built our own range of craft , what these two are achieving they should be not just applauded but in my opinion given official recognition . I’ve been no help to either due to other problems ( Health ) and John has passed but I would love to be there helping as I know John would’ve also , this is a huge undertaking so stay with it you guys and have the knowledge that 99% of the people are with you , and those odd derogatory comments are from simply ignorant arseholes !! . Fair winds Guys . Regards Vince
Long time viewer, first time commenting. When I first started watching, I thought you were both absurdly optimistic about your project. I questioned your sanity and your skill sets. NO MORE! You are both so incredibly talented and your determination is an inspiration. Thank you for restoring your magnificent vessel and for sharing it with all of us.
Yes, your persistence and determination are what are making your endeavor a success, even more than your skills - which you seem so good at learning as you need them. I too was one of the ones thinking you were nuts to try to fix up a huge, rotten old boat stuck in the mud, but you've proven me, and probably thousands of us, so completely wrong! You are so good at working together and supporting each other. An inspiration for all of us!
Speaking as an old sailor; with 'loads of people aboard' you don't need a 'big posh bathroom'. You need multiple places for multiple land-lubbers to be sick in. I'd recommend the aft head be equipped with two toilets and two sinks for pollywogs, and the forward head be the crew head with a shower.
Make sure you take time to recognise and appreciate how far you have come this year alone! Getting that deck on in the few warm months we got this year is a proper achievement
Awesome, I love the fact you guys are shiprights, you used to be piece replacers … now ship rights !!!! I’m proud of your work. I’m a crippled US vet and have watched from day one. Thank you
Not only are the beams shorter etc on the stern but your skill levels and confidence in your abilities has also massively increased. I understand that you may feel a bit down when faced with that area... reminding you of the bow... but as an avid viewer, I am rubbing my hands with glee as you get back to what has made your channel so successful. Thank as always. I am really looking forward to seeing what that stern cabin will turn out like once you have both worked your magic on it. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
With thoughts of who going to use the staterooms. I suggest you talk to other people who do charters. They will give you great invaluable information. But I can't strong enough say you need a gas/ petrol water pump. For fire or if you start taking on water. A 2 inch line can pump a lot of water to keep afloat. Not that you need one now, but if a deal for one comes. GRAB IT.
I have never written to a video source but I felt compelled to write you. I absolutely enjoy watching Ship Happens! I find myself smiling when I'm watching. You two work together so well. Sarinda is getting healed, piece by piece. It's a wonder that I look forward to seeing every week. Keep up the good work!
If you will have six plus paying charters on board, you will definitely want two bathrooms. Really making progress now. So great to watch it all come together.
@@davidantill6949 And their daughter wouldn't be happy 😂.. One point is always have a shower and WC separate... If someone's in the shower and someone's desperate ... 🫣😷 A twofer door systems best .. with a simple lockable dividing door between inside is one way it can be done. Two doors 🚪 outside.
You are getting there. It is amazing what you have done. Don’t feel down Gemma as you guys are getting faster at replacing all the rot. Soon get through it 👍
Hello to you, Gemma and Simon, all the way from Austin, Texas! When I am sharing some of your exploits with my wife, I find myself thinking of you two as my friends! I have been following you for several years and I can't explain how I admire your attitude. Keep up the good work! 🤠
don't touch the spacer behind the packing gland until you are on the hard. if you don't get it done before the tide it will flood the boat faster than a throughhull fitting. too many boats sank because of the leak around the stuffing box.
Gemma you shouldn't feel down, you should feel positive. The fact you have started taking the back cabins apart means you have finished the first big phase, and now starting a new one. Meaning you are getting closer to your goal of getting Sarinda back to being sea worthy. To see how the front of Sarinda looks compared to when you started is a fantastic transformation. Personally my view is, two heads are better than one!!!
Little trick with the hardener: spread the filler out in an even blob, mark the center with the knife, 50%, again, 25%, again, 12.5%, again, 6.25%, again, 3.125%. you'll need slightly less than the volume of the smallest part.
One large all fitted maxed out bathroom head. Add another his & her quick stop single head & hand wash basin someplace else. My vote is going big with Simon. And add another 1/2. We win Gemma.
You should go on a Viking river boat and check out the heads in the rooms. They are extremely efficiently layouts. The showers are frameless glass. Just contact them and ask if you can tour their boat for ideas and put it on your you tube. My husband and I would get a catermarane, which slept 12. Each person paid 1/2 the rental. We collected “kitty” money for fees, food, fuel, water, etc. per person, then paid back any left over. We always planed meals. We also had each couple sponsor a meal. They would bring specialty spices or ingredients that couldn’t be easily found, and they would be the head cooks that night. My husband would publish the iteniary so people would know approximately when and where we would be. We would just pick and island and sail around. We even planned meals out based on the locations. We tried for boat costs about the cost of a decent hotel room for a week. We tried for food around $100 a day, which included us going out to eat. We found eating breakfast onboard to be a real saver, and liked to do lunches out. I’m thinking of a hybrid between our private vacations and the one we did last year with Viking would be a good idea. You would need a split head between two cabins, and a general head. Single accommodations are also good, not everyone will come with a spouse. People who come ARE crew. It’s part of the fun, but obviously some crew do kitchen cleanup while others do the dingy runs for groceries and site seeing. They can even be part of some maintenance and painting. At first, just plan a week “ vacation” for you and Simon. Chose the waterway, pick the event (boat show, festival, whatever). Then chose the path, the places to dock, the time, etc. it’s really not that hard and is kind of exciting. You are showing off your country, and also discovering it for yourself, keep in mind airports as starting and ending points. Guests flying early or late may need help with locating friendly bread and breakfast accommodations. Estimating is hard, but it’s a learning experience. Don’t hire any part out until you do your own vacation sharing yourself. It’s the only real way too see all the issues with the different aspects of chartering. You can do a drinks and appetizer evening cruise at a boat show or celebratory fireworks event for x number of people and charge a fee that also donates some portion to a charity. That way, you van charge enough to cover all of your undiscovered costs without feeling badly that you may have overcharged. You will develop an idea of the annual maintenance and operating cost of the boat, and build in a percentage into your fees that goes into a life management fund for your boat so it never gets to the point it did in the past. Eventually, you will allow it to be chartered by people that pay a flat fee and get a captain and first mate, or even turn it over to a charter company that handles everything, like the charter companies in the Caribbean. So many options and ideas, but to begin with, you should think about taking it on holiday for a week, and inviting friends, supporters, etc to split the cost and join you. 12 people on a Cat was great. We also did a vacation with 4 sloops that each slept 6. For me, 24 people for a week, which were friends of friends of friends was too much even though we weren’t even on the same boat, .
Don't know boats but have camped in RV's quite a bit. When in a park there are additional facilities available, but obviously not on a boat, so I agree with Jemma that you can't really have too many heads. Separating heads from showers is a great use of space and accommodating the needs of a bunch of people.
Ohh dear, my squaddie sense of humour kicked in at 27 minutes when you heard the birds in the back ground and Simon said it was not to be rained on and my mind was waiting for the kersplatt on his head / shoulders from above 😂😂😂😂
WelI thought aeroplanes were money pit until I started watching you 2 😄😄, nice blog keep your heads above the well I was going to say water, but it’s just mud 👍👍
With all the rot that you are finding above the water line it's amazing that the top deck hasn't fallen in. Anyway, it's look great, keep up the good work.
I'm just continually shocked that the hull itself is still basically structurally sound. Given the condition of the rest of the boat I wouldn't have taken the bet that the hull could be salvaged. But that seems to be the case. I wonder what naval engineer they're going to get to attest this vessel as seaworthy and insurable.
I ran into the same question redoing my 80' boat. It had 6 heads from 1931 when it was original but luxury is different now. Bigger bathrooms is important especially if you are having a lot of overnight guests... and you don't really need all the tiny rooms for crew space because boating is more of a family scenario now. So I decided to go with 3 bathrooms but all bigger and only 3 big bedrooms with king size beds that sleep 6 instead of a bunch of tiny bedrooms that used to sleep 12 using bunks and alike. Regarding the question about using walls to stabilize yourselves - just add hand rails in the shower area. Most likely you will rarely be on rough water when it's time to shower... you'll be tucked into a little bay or something out of the weather.
Your channel makes me smile. It is great to see people enjoying their time together non a project. I have only just found your channel but will be viewing it from now on.
Just a suggestion for you. Get ahold of as many pamphlets for motor yachts of the same or similar size as Sarindar that show the cabin interior layouts. This may give you some ideas for you to play with for your own design.
Gemma you are gorgeous and so talented with oodles of personality. Simon you are an absolutely great multi talented guy. What a couple. Thanks so much for sharing.
If you build a separate(from your shower) head in the front that guests can also use in a pinch/emergency and have a portable/chemical backup toilet in the engine room closet (incase the regular ones malfunctions) I would suggest Simons one big "bathroom" idea as it will feel nicer than 2 small rooms, claustrofobia is a bear for many to endure. For ruff seas I recommend one or two handles on the walls near the toilet seat, would also help older guests. Cheer up Gemma, your glass is already half full and is getting fuller with each passing day, even if you can´t see it in the back yet.
Hi Simon and Gemma, I have watched all 200 episodes over the last week, and I must say you two (And Robbo) are amazing keep up the fantastic work . Right back too episode 201 😊.
Take a cord out put a cord in. That’s what our dad would say when we would tackle another project on our wood boat. It’s a labor of love. She’s coming along. You guys are doing a wonderful job restoring her. Just found your channel. This brings back twenty five years of memories working on the old boat. 👍
lol When Simon said they could go off the side of the boat it reminded me of fishing a pond with my 3 year old daughter (36 years old now). She said daddy I have to go to the bathroom so I told her to go off the side of the boat. She dropped her pants and I had to hold her hand so she wouldn't fall in. The surprise was I heard a big plunk lol I thought she was talking about #1.
Friends of mine had a Dunkirker that they lived aboard, they took the dog for walks twice a day and when he asked to go. So they built him a wide plank that he could use that to walk out on when caught short. he was very careful the first few times but got the hang of it.
Wow! This video was amazing! Congratulations on finishing the forward deck. I know as you do, there is still a lot of work ahead, but you've come SO far from where you started. When I look at the quality of work....... amazing! This yacht is lucky to have the two of you bringing her back to life!
Hi Gemma , On a car I would mist a realy realy light spray of paint before I sand , so when you sand you see all the imperfections real easy , It's called a guide coat or shot coat ! so good to see such focused OCD , making it a lovely job !
I think that if you could make a 3D computer model of the boat it would really help you plan its future layout and also help with measurements etc for piping, cabling and everything else - would be great if you could find someone with that capability to support your project
Brilliant! I admire the way you cope with the difficult tasks, just roll your sleeves up and get on with it. Having the right attitude is a big part of it.
I was a bit sad the front part was done but then i got very excited when you started on the next bit. Thank you for letting us watch you do all the hard work, your industry and perseverance is admirable :)
I appreciate you folks sharing your journey. I have a couple of terminal diseases and am no longer able to work, so I work vicariously through TH-cam videos. I hope to be able to see the finished vessel at the end of your efforts. Thanks so much.
I know this is posted after you do the work , but I think you need to extend the lower hull up to the top of the middle deck where it meets the floor. Instead of putting up plywood on the outside of the boat.
I was thinking exactly the same thing -- maybe it makes sense to incorporate that height extension more fully into the structure of the boat by bringing the hull planking all the way up to the new deck.
Can't imagine the courage you have to tackle all of this and how you don't despair when you find yet more rotten bits to fix! Full of admiration for you both! And I learn a lot from your use of tools - never heard of a crow's foot spanner before and I've been eyeing your electric caulking machine with great envy! Power to your elbows!!
Simon, May I suggest you check the bushes in the chop saw, that could be the reason it keeps stopping when you using it , IF they are low, You might be able to replace them. They will be at the end of the Motor. Great videos yet again guy's, Keep up the great work All the best
Gem is right, I think. A separate head is more useful. It won't feel posh if you need to use the head when it's in the shower room that someone else is using. Going over the side is definitely not posh. But more than that ... you two are so incredibly brave and optimistic!! If I hadn't seen what you've done so far I'd recommend walking away, but you give us all hope that you are up to this. That's what brings people like me back again and again. You give us courage by way of example - and you pull it off!!
Guys I felt your flattness at the end there. But looking at it from the other end of the tube, WOW, you've got a third of her sorted out. Job done. Astonishing! And yes, seeing the state those cabins are in seems shocking, a reminder how the bow end was, but then walk through to the bow - and you can see what it will be looking like all too soon. Question. Are you going to extend the frames and planking up from the original to replace the newer plywood above the old beam-shelf to the new deck/beam-shelf level? It looks like that (newer) plywood didn't keep its integrity like the old planking did? I realise it would be (a lot) more hard work, but would it increase the integrity of the structure going backward (as it were)? Or is that not really necessary? I'm sure you will have thought that all through. Bon chance.
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I think measure the footprint of the inside and use a program to create a few floor plans. Since you are doing all the work, make it the way that works best. It can always be done with a feel of the past. remember Function and form were not the priority when the boat was first built. Just a thought
Hi, great work. Are you going to replace the plywood with more plywood or extend the hull planking to replace the plywood. Plywood would probably be quicker, but planking would make it look less like an add on. Have a great week.
This channel is great! I can't believe you don't get more subscribers, thumbs up, and comments. I well know that not everyone can financially support all the incredible channels that are available. But we can all do the things that don't cost money and help out the channels. Those statistics are how they can accomplish these great videos. And in this case, save our history.
Just waiting for this shower to pull their fingers out and get some work done😂only joshing you's are THE best team on the tube consistently knocking portholes out of deckheads, gunwales out of transoms and smiling in the bilge😂
Great progress! Don’t get down on returning to the rot removal, after all the proverbial elephant can only be eaten a bite at a time! Side decks are smaller and you’ll be done in no time at all. Cheers!
Love the progress! When you feel down, take a quick tour of what you've already accomplished. It's amazing!! And I'd trim the pointy corners off those shelves because I'd be bumping into them all the time!
Only recently discovered your channel and spent the last few weeks binge watching the episodes to catch up. Absolutely love everything you do and am in awe at how you just do it your way and forget the trolls. Simon is a laugh and Gamma you need to watch your hair. The history of the boat is paramount and from w
You guys are doing a wonderful job. As far as the bathroom, I think it is nice to have the toilet separate in case it needs to be used while someone is in the shower.
I had a catamaran in Spain for years and did day trips and I was making over £2000 a day so if you are going to do it get it to Spain and it's lovely over here 😎
In the back end the original frames stopped at the beam shelf. The conversion then extended them. If possible it would be best if you could make your frames full length but I suspect this would require the cabin sides being removed.
Another fantastic couple of jobs done to perfection i have some DIY jobs to do next year and am learning so much about woodworking from you guys so bye watching you your going to be helping a 72 year old pensioner to get my woodworking jobs done so thank you so much see you on the next video take care and be safe
You are a wonderful couple with a wonderful serie. I realy enjoy how you are doing things. solving problems without having any expert knowledge about it.
Forward head, separate 3/4 size tub with seat relatively small with sink and head. Keeps you from bouncing around in a sea. Aft head, separate stand up shower, one or two relatively small wash areas with sink and head.
Bonjour comme d'habitude superbe vidéo. Quel travail respect. Le résultat est très bien. Je vous remercie pour vos vidéos et il me tarde de voir la prochaine. Bonne semaine amicalement René de Bordeaux France ❤
Your channel is fantastic and the history of the boat is the most important thing to remember. Keep up the great work,I will be following along as you endeavour to make Sarindar proud to be a sailing veteren again.
I really admire not only what you have achieved, but the way the two of you are able to work together. I really enjoy your videos! Re Toilets. If you have any members of the public on board at a later date, you will definitely need two toilets. Fink abaht ‘elf ‘n safety!
Love this project. Its been lovely watching you tackle this restoration. Please don’t hold your grinder head with your fingers like that. 😂 especially with that crazy blade on it😂
Superior skills especially in restoring curved bulk heads and framing. I look forward in witnessing a marvel and miracle in restoration unfold. Nicely done you two!
The washroom shower was originally designed for a war work crew. Very utilitarian, but for personal or charting you have loads of options. Two smaller shower and toilet compartments c/w sink. Or a decent shower plus two or three toilets c/w a central sink for crew and guests. Open space for redesign - form, function, practical or comfortable. Or planning for toilets, sink, shower, wet locker? The front deck areas keep looking smarter.
Build a working platform out of plastic pallets on the mud I'm sure Simon's smart enough to design an easy assemble sand disassembly so it can be moved .
I dropped in here 3 years ago, and thought bugger. Those two seem nice but this is too much. I am gobsmacked you have come so very very far. I bow before you. You are amazing and the work you have done is outstandingly impressive. Not much more to say but blimey!
34:00 As your not struggling for enough room to do anything, separate bog and shower. the bog will get much more use than the shower in the mornings, reduced que time ;-)
You could make a small room for a head & small sink , and put another head and shower small sink in the room next to it, we did something very similar in our house and it works really well. Regards Steve
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Oooh, I liked the long shot with Gemma in the background and Simon in the aft section. It shows the passageways and how the front connects to the back. You get a proper bit of scale to her interior layout.
There are some stunning small naval boat conversions. The best have tall bulwarks to just ahead of the wheelhouse then they join a “wall” that runs across the boat ahead of the wheelhouse. Bulwarks forward of that “wall” are about 300mm high with stainless handrails above.
As others have commented, the aft bull extension plywood has not held up well. Using double diagonal plank extension would likely be stronger and probably last longer. Plus, it would look nicer. However, it would be a more of work. Especially if you extend the frames up from the lower beam shelf to the upper beam shelf. Yet it would again likely be stronger and last longer. In regards to the aft head, I would move the aft wall forward a little bit. But, keep it one room with head, sink and shower. Then perhaps have head & sink in the aft cabin. Thus, 3 heads, but only 2 showers. As for the thru-hulls, I'd blank any not needed immediately, (the engines need theirs available). Pull / cut the fittings out, (at low water of course), and then wet with epoxy the internal plank wood grain. Put in replacement plank or filler on the outside, and epoxy that in place. Then, add another piece on the inside, again with epoxy. Later, you will have more flexibility where you put the thru-hulls. I look forward to the day you can motor about the area. Good luck.
Heres my Friday treat! Watching you two carry on and get stuff done!❤edit: im working on my house, and always putting screws and nails in my pockets. I check my pockets before i do the laundry, so i have a jar full of odd screws and nails and little bits on top of the tumble dryer!
oh wow! Good idea to stop the ladder from falling! Oh, and you, too. And you'd do well to attach the saw restarter (ye olde machine thumper) to the saw with a chain or something so it doesn't get misplaced. I'll always suggest a small urinal in a bathroom, besides the sitter. Or a small sink over a urinal in a narrow closet/space so one doesn't get tossed about.
From experience I’d always prefer head and toilet separately. Especially when cruising. To be able to use them simultaneously is great when someone is on watch for example. Not only but also in case of (or after) an “emergency” a separate toilet is very comfortable for the whole crew. Especially when you have more than 2 people per head on board.
Great work as always and at amazing speed too. Did you know that old gift cards make really good filler scrapers for spot putty work. I discovered this working on an old car I an restoring. You can get 2 good uses out of them (one on each end) before you throw them away. They're flexible and conform to contours really well. Thought I'd pass it along so you can start collecting all the old used Matalan gift cards you can find.😊
You are both doing an amazing job. We started watching not long after you started the channel and admire your approach and how much your boat restoration skills have developed. You should be incredibly proud of all you have achieved so far. Regarding the Heads compartment. As someone who was crew on a charter boat I would definitely advise you keep the shower and toilet seperate, particularly if you are doing overnight trips or any water sports. There is nothing worse than a guest having to wait to make an urgent deposit while someone else uses the shower. Then they go in to be greeted by a wet floor which leads to wet feet and water outside on the accommodation deck. To top that off with today’s OH&S rules you then have a slip hazard. Things to think about anyway.
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Wartime Activities
6/44 Operation Neptune Invasion of Normandy
149th ML Flotilla
ML1295, ML1309, ML1383, ML1387, ML1389, ML1391, ML1392, ML1393, ML1407, ML1409, ML1421. ML1422
6/6/44 Channel Marker at Gold Beach on D-Day
Distributing instructions in the assault anchorage after the first landings in Normandy (Gazette Date - 19/12/44)
6/3/45 Captured a German Biber Type midget submarine off Breskens in the Scheldt Estuary. Eleven Bibers had sortied that day. Four were found abandoned along the coast at North Beveland, Knocke, Domberg and Zeebrugge.
One was sunk by gunfire off Westkapelle on 8 March and five vanished.
Post War Fate
1946 Fast Despatch Boat = FDB73
10/47 HM Customs & Excise = Valiant
1967 Sold = Frol - Pejo
1974 =Sarinda (Charter work on Crinan Canal)
1980-91 Extensive conversion to luxury motor yacht
11/95 Base ported at Liverpool
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As Simon and Gemma know ; I spent many years on SARINDA with John Peer and all our family , I know every part of her , Simon & Gemma are not just restoring her , they are giving her life again . Frankly how anybody could leave negative comments is beyond comprehension !! Having sailed on her countless times and subsequently built our own range of craft , what these two are achieving they should be not just applauded but in my opinion given official recognition . I’ve been no help to either due to other problems ( Health ) and John has passed but I would love to be there helping as I know John would’ve also , this is a huge undertaking so stay with it you guys and have the knowledge that 99% of the people are with you , and those odd derogatory comments are from simply ignorant arseholes !! . Fair winds Guys . Regards Vince
What a nice thing to read.
Well said. And I am a moderator for a couple sites and there are trolls to every successful site. Just ignore and block if necessary
try Grammarly...it would put your point across without doing too much bla bla bla, but I do agree!.
I agree!!! This is amazing! Been there, I know what kind of effort and commitment….and money this takes! It’s so hard, and so rewarding.
Nothing easy about this marvellous attitudes.
Long time viewer, first time commenting. When I first started watching, I thought you were both absurdly optimistic about your project. I questioned your sanity and your skill sets. NO MORE! You are both so incredibly talented and your determination is an inspiration. Thank you for restoring your magnificent vessel and for sharing it with all of us.
Yes, your persistence and determination are what are making your endeavor a success, even more than your skills - which you seem so good at learning as you need them. I too was one of the ones thinking you were nuts to try to fix up a huge, rotten old boat stuck in the mud, but you've proven me, and probably thousands of us, so completely wrong! You are so good at working together and supporting each other. An inspiration for all of us!
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Speaking as an old sailor; with 'loads of people aboard' you don't need a 'big posh bathroom'. You need multiple places for multiple land-lubbers to be sick in. I'd recommend the aft head be equipped with two toilets and two sinks for pollywogs, and the forward head be the crew head with a shower.
Or make sure you always have a stack of buckets on hand for those land lubberz! 🤮🤮 😂😂😂
@@BillyJoeJimBob28 Just lean over the rail, but make sure which way the wind is blowing.
@@TheByard those fish need feeding after all 😄
@@davidantill6949 Get the same with a pump out. That's why I don't eat fish.
@@BillyJoeJimBob28 CRYPTO poo COIN 9000
We have so much respect for you two for the perseverance and positivity taking on this project.
Amazing results
Make sure you take time to recognise and appreciate how far you have come this year alone! Getting that deck on in the few warm months we got this year is a proper achievement
Knocking on 97K right now. Bump 'em up crew! These two are setting the standard for can-do
Awesome, I love the fact you guys are shiprights, you used to be piece replacers … now ship rights !!!! I’m proud of your work. I’m a crippled US vet and have watched from day one. Thank you
Shipwrights Checkout Tips from a shipwright he's from the USA
Deliberate spelling mistake 😅@@hammondo7
@@hammondo7it’s how they spell it in the USA!
@@bobmcdermott9535 look up tips from a shipwright, he's from the USA!!
Shippwright is also proper. If you go back in time far enough.
Not only are the beams shorter etc on the stern but your skill levels and confidence in your abilities has also massively increased. I understand that you may feel a bit down when faced with that area... reminding you of the bow... but as an avid viewer, I am rubbing my hands with glee as you get back to what has made your channel so successful. Thank as always. I am really looking forward to seeing what that stern cabin will turn out like once you have both worked your magic on it. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
With thoughts of who going to use the staterooms. I suggest you talk to other people who do charters. They will give you great invaluable information. But I can't strong enough say you need a gas/ petrol water pump. For fire or if you start taking on water. A 2 inch line can pump a lot of water to keep afloat. Not that you need one now, but if a deal for one comes. GRAB IT.
@@Assassinlexx True words...that's why the first thing a coastguard chopper will bring is a big petrol waterpump!!
I have never written to a video source but I felt compelled to write you. I absolutely enjoy watching Ship Happens! I find myself smiling when I'm watching. You two work together so well. Sarinda is getting healed, piece by piece. It's a wonder that I look forward to seeing every week. Keep up the good work!
Really looking forward to the next 200 episodes - I learn so much on how to tackle the seemingly impossible.
If you will have six plus paying charters on board, you will definitely want two bathrooms. Really making progress now. So great to watch it all come together.
With that many charters, an extra toilet as well as 2 bathrooms.
A 'day' head as near to the steering position as possible is always a good idea
I singlehanded my boat a lot so a plastic bottle came in handy. I got skilled at having things to hand, like tools, snacks and flask of hot water.
@TheByard absolutely for a singlehander. Not quite as socially acceptable if more than one onboard 😁
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And their daughter wouldn't be happy 😂..
One point is always have a shower and WC separate... If someone's in the shower
and someone's desperate ... 🫣😷 A twofer door systems best .. with a
simple lockable dividing door between inside is one way it can be done. Two doors 🚪 outside.
@@TheByard A maze ING.
You are getting there. It is amazing what you have done. Don’t feel down Gemma as you guys are getting faster at replacing all the rot. Soon get through it 👍
That is far and away the best TH-cam channel to watch for 5 good reasons. It's entertaining, entertaining, entertaining. Simon and Gemma.
Thank you Brian 😘
Hello to you, Gemma and Simon, all the way from Austin, Texas! When I am sharing some of your exploits with my wife, I find myself thinking of you two as my friends! I have been following you for several years and I can't explain how I admire your attitude. Keep up the good work! 🤠
I’ve never seen Simon so happy as when he found how good the wood was. You guys bring us all such joy!
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When it's done there will be no letdown and you'll have thousands cheering your accomplishment. ❤️
don't touch the spacer behind the packing gland until you are on the hard. if you don't get it done before the tide it will flood the boat faster than a throughhull fitting. too many boats sank because of the leak around the stuffing box.
Having a blanking plate made up ready and know how your going to fix it.
Gemma you shouldn't feel down, you should feel positive. The fact you have started taking the back cabins apart means you have finished the first big phase, and now starting a new one. Meaning you are getting closer to your goal of getting Sarinda back to being sea worthy. To see how the front of Sarinda looks compared to when you started is a fantastic transformation. Personally my view is, two heads are better than one!!!
Little trick with the hardener: spread the filler out in an even blob, mark the center with the knife, 50%, again, 25%, again, 12.5%, again, 6.25%, again, 3.125%. you'll need slightly less than the volume of the smallest part.
Pretty good trick
One large all fitted maxed out bathroom head. Add another his & her quick stop single head & hand wash basin someplace else. My vote is going big with Simon. And add another 1/2. We win Gemma.
I agree. Two minimum.
You should go on a Viking river boat and check out the heads in the rooms. They are extremely efficiently layouts. The showers are frameless glass. Just contact them and ask if you can tour their boat for ideas and put it on your you tube. My husband and I would get a catermarane, which slept 12. Each person paid 1/2 the rental. We collected “kitty” money for fees, food, fuel, water, etc. per person, then paid back any left over. We always planed meals. We also had each couple sponsor a meal. They would bring specialty spices or ingredients that couldn’t be easily found, and they would be the head cooks that night. My husband would publish the iteniary so people would know approximately when and where we would be. We would just pick and island and sail around. We even planned meals out based on the locations. We tried for boat costs about the cost of a decent hotel room for a week. We tried for food around $100 a day, which included us going out to eat. We found eating breakfast onboard to be a real saver, and liked to do lunches out.
I’m thinking of a hybrid between our private vacations and the one we did last year with Viking would be a good idea. You would need a split head between two cabins, and a general head. Single accommodations are also good, not everyone will come with a spouse. People who come ARE crew. It’s part of the fun, but obviously some crew do kitchen cleanup while others do the dingy runs for groceries and site seeing. They can even be part of some maintenance and painting.
At first, just plan a week “ vacation” for you and Simon. Chose the waterway, pick the event (boat show, festival, whatever). Then chose the path, the places to dock, the time, etc. it’s really not that hard and is kind of exciting. You are showing off your country, and also discovering it for yourself, keep in mind airports as starting and ending points. Guests flying early or late may need help with locating friendly bread and breakfast accommodations. Estimating is hard, but it’s a learning experience. Don’t hire any part out until you do your own vacation sharing yourself. It’s the only real way too see all the issues with the different aspects of chartering.
You can do a drinks and appetizer evening cruise at a boat show or celebratory fireworks event for x number of people and charge a fee that also donates some portion to a charity. That way, you van charge enough to cover all of your undiscovered costs without feeling badly that you may have overcharged. You will develop an idea of the annual maintenance and operating cost of the boat, and build in a percentage into your fees that goes into a life management fund for your boat so it never gets to the point it did in the past. Eventually, you will allow it to be chartered by people that pay a flat fee and get a captain and first mate, or even turn it over to a charter company that handles everything, like the charter companies in the Caribbean. So many options and ideas, but to begin with, you should think about taking it on holiday for a week, and inviting friends, supporters, etc to split the cost and join you. 12 people on a Cat was great. We also did a vacation with 4 sloops that each slept 6. For me, 24 people for a week, which were friends of friends of friends was too much even though we weren’t even on the same boat, .
@@kathrynaston6841 Wow!
You are both so skilled in what you do. Nothing is a problem there is always a solution. So special having you both in our lives.
Don't know boats but have camped in RV's quite a bit. When in a park there are additional facilities available, but obviously not on a boat, so I agree with Jemma that you can't really have too many heads. Separating heads from showers is a great use of space and accommodating the needs of a bunch of people.
I think you will be mooring overnight so make use of onshore facility's, you wont see a boater leave a pub etc. without using the loo when leaving.
Two heads are better than one. 😂
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Yeah, Simon def has two heads. Gemma looks ok tho. 😂😂😂
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Ohh dear, my squaddie sense of humour kicked in at 27 minutes when you heard the birds in the back ground and Simon said it was not to be rained on and my mind was waiting for the kersplatt on his head / shoulders from above 😂😂😂😂
WelI thought aeroplanes were money pit until I started watching you 2 😄😄, nice blog keep your heads above the well I was going to say water, but it’s just mud 👍👍
With all the rot that you are finding above the water line it's amazing that the top deck hasn't fallen in. Anyway, it's look great, keep up the good work.
I'm just continually shocked that the hull itself is still basically structurally sound. Given the condition of the rest of the boat I wouldn't have taken the bet that the hull could be salvaged. But that seems to be the case.
I wonder what naval engineer they're going to get to attest this vessel as seaworthy and insurable.
The boat wasn't made from tissue paper bro.
I ran into the same question redoing my 80' boat. It had 6 heads from 1931 when it was original but luxury is different now. Bigger bathrooms is important especially if you are having a lot of overnight guests... and you don't really need all the tiny rooms for crew space because boating is more of a family scenario now. So I decided to go with 3 bathrooms but all bigger and only 3 big bedrooms with king size beds that sleep 6 instead of a bunch of tiny bedrooms that used to sleep 12 using bunks and alike. Regarding the question about using walls to stabilize yourselves - just add hand rails in the shower area. Most likely you will rarely be on rough water when it's time to shower... you'll be tucked into a little bay or something out of the weather.
Your channel makes me smile. It is great to see people enjoying their time together non a project. I have only just found your channel but will be viewing it from now on.
Just a suggestion for you. Get ahold of as many pamphlets for motor yachts of the same or similar size as Sarindar that show the cabin interior layouts. This may give you some ideas for you to play with for your own design.
Gemma you are gorgeous and so talented with oodles of personality. Simon you are an absolutely great multi talented guy. What a couple. Thanks so much for sharing.
Thank you so much!
If you build a separate(from your shower) head in the front that guests can also use in a pinch/emergency and have a portable/chemical backup toilet in the engine room closet (incase the regular ones malfunctions) I would suggest Simons one big "bathroom" idea as it will feel nicer than 2 small rooms, claustrofobia is a bear for many to endure. For ruff seas I recommend one or two handles on the walls near the toilet seat, would also help older guests. Cheer up Gemma, your glass is already half full and is getting fuller with each passing day, even if you can´t see it in the back yet.
Hi Simon and Gemma, I have watched all 200 episodes over the last week, and I must say you two (And Robbo) are amazing keep up the fantastic work . Right back too episode 201 😊.
Excellent boat project, excellent video and excellent people!! Thanks Simon and Gemma!
Glad you enjoyed it
Take a cord out put a cord in. That’s what our dad would say when we would tackle another project on our wood boat. It’s a labor of love. She’s coming along. You guys are doing a wonderful job restoring her. Just found your channel. This brings back twenty five years of memories working on the old boat. 👍
lol When Simon said they could go off the side of the boat it reminded me of fishing a pond with my 3 year old daughter (36 years old now). She said daddy I have to go to the bathroom so I told her to go off the side of the boat. She dropped her pants and I had to hold her hand so she wouldn't fall in. The surprise was I heard a big plunk lol I thought she was talking about #1.
Friends of mine had a Dunkirker that they lived aboard, they took the dog for walks twice a day and when he asked to go. So they built him a wide plank that he could use that to walk out on when caught short. he was very careful the first few times but got the hang of it.
Job well done! Looks like a whole new milestone you have started. To me, the armchair support, I'm excited for you!
Wow! This video was amazing! Congratulations on finishing the forward deck. I know as you do, there is still a lot of work ahead, but you've come SO far from where you started. When I look at the quality of work....... amazing!
This yacht is lucky to have the two of you bringing her back to life!
Thank you so much!
Hi Gemma , On a car I would mist a realy realy light spray of paint before I sand , so when you sand you see all the imperfections real easy , It's called a guide coat or shot coat ! so good to see such focused OCD , making it a lovely job !
I think that if you could make a 3D computer model of the boat it would really help you plan its future layout and also help with measurements etc for piping, cabling and everything else - would be great if you could find someone with that capability to support your project
Brilliant! I admire the way you cope with the difficult tasks, just roll your sleeves up and get on with it. Having the right attitude is a big part of it.
You guys amaze me every episode
I was a bit sad the front part was done but then i got very excited when you started on the next bit. Thank you for letting us watch you do all the hard work, your industry and perseverance is admirable :)
I appreciate you folks sharing your journey. I have a couple of terminal diseases and am no longer able to work, so I work vicariously through TH-cam videos. I hope to be able to see the finished vessel at the end of your efforts. Thanks so much.
I know this is posted after you do the work , but I think you need to extend the lower hull up to the top of the middle deck where it meets the floor. Instead of putting up plywood on the outside of the boat.
I was thinking exactly the same thing -- maybe it makes sense to incorporate that height extension more fully into the structure of the boat by bringing the hull planking all the way up to the new deck.
Your work is awesome. Your motivation and mutual support is beyond anything I have seen before.
Thank you for sharing👍
Can't imagine the courage you have to tackle all of this and how you don't despair when you find yet more rotten bits to fix! Full of admiration for you both! And I learn a lot from your use of tools - never heard of a crow's foot spanner before and I've been eyeing your electric caulking machine with great envy! Power to your elbows!!
A really interesting project for sure but your personalities make this channel you are both lovely people.
Simon,
May I suggest you check the bushes in the chop saw, that could be the reason it keeps stopping when you using it ,
IF they are low, You might be able to replace them.
They will be at the end of the Motor.
Great videos yet again guy's,
Keep up the great work
All the best
Simon said back a bit that one day he needed to put in new bushes, now he just as to do it 🤗 ;-)
Gem is right, I think. A separate head is more useful. It won't feel posh if you need to use the head when it's in the shower room that someone else is using. Going over the side is definitely not posh. But more than that ... you two are so incredibly brave and optimistic!! If I hadn't seen what you've done so far I'd recommend walking away, but you give us all hope that you are up to this. That's what brings people like me back again and again. You give us courage by way of example - and you pull it off!!
I came across your channel now I will start watching it from the beginning. What a challenge and effort from you people. Amazing.
Welcome aboard!
When all the hard work is done and the Bulwarks are fitted she will be a great little ship.
Guys I felt your flattness at the end there. But looking at it from the other end of the tube, WOW, you've got a third of her sorted out. Job done. Astonishing!
And yes, seeing the state those cabins are in seems shocking, a reminder how the bow end was, but then walk through to the bow - and you can see what it will be looking like all too soon.
Question. Are you going to extend the frames and planking up from the original to replace the newer plywood above the old beam-shelf to the new deck/beam-shelf level? It looks like that (newer) plywood didn't keep its integrity like the old planking did? I realise it would be (a lot) more hard work, but would it increase the integrity of the structure going backward (as it were)? Or is that not really necessary? I'm sure you will have thought that all through.
Bon chance.
Nice separate shower and toilet. And a toilet with basin. Small but posh.
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I think measure the footprint of the inside and use a program to create a few floor plans. Since you are doing all the work, make it the way that works best. It can always be done with a feel of the past. remember Function and form were not the priority when the boat was first built. Just a thought
Hi, great work. Are you going to replace the plywood with more plywood or extend the hull planking to replace the plywood. Plywood would probably be quicker, but planking would make it look less like an add on. Have a great week.
Best Boat rebuild channel by a long margin! Watched since day 1 and look forward to every new episode 🙌🏻
Know what guys? I've watched you from day one and here I am again having watched you again and again. You are a breath of sanity in an insane world.
Another big leap forward. I always feel fortunate to be along for this ride! 👍🏼🇨🇦 Big bathroom. The vessel is for you at the end of the day. 😀
This channel is great! I can't believe you don't get more subscribers, thumbs up, and comments. I well know that not everyone can financially support all the incredible channels that are available. But we can all do the things that don't cost money and help out the channels. Those statistics are how they can accomplish these great videos. And in this case, save our history.
Just waiting for this shower to pull their fingers out and get some work done😂only joshing you's are THE best team on the tube consistently knocking portholes out of deckheads, gunwales out of transoms and smiling in the bilge😂
Great progress! Don’t get down on returning to the rot removal, after all the proverbial elephant can only be eaten a bite at a time! Side decks are smaller and you’ll be done in no time at all. Cheers!
Love the progress! When you feel down, take a quick tour of what you've already accomplished. It's amazing!!
And I'd trim the pointy corners off those shelves because I'd be bumping into them all the time!
Only recently discovered your channel and spent the last few weeks binge watching the episodes to catch up. Absolutely love everything you do and am in awe at how you just do it your way and forget the trolls. Simon is a laugh and Gamma you need to watch your hair. The history of the boat is paramount and from w
You guys are doing a wonderful job. As far as the bathroom, I think it is nice to have the toilet separate in case it needs to be used while someone is in the shower.
Seems like Si could build a cantilevered platform that would do away with working off a ladder.
I had a catamaran in Spain for years and did day trips and I was making over £2000 a day so if you are going to do it get it to Spain and it's lovely over here 😎
In the back end the original frames stopped at the beam shelf. The conversion then extended them. If possible it would be best if you could make your frames full length but I suspect this would require the cabin sides being removed.
Another fantastic couple of jobs done to perfection i have some DIY jobs to do next year and am learning so much about woodworking from you guys so bye watching you your going to be helping a 72 year old pensioner to get my woodworking jobs done so thank you so much see you on the next video take care and be safe
You are a wonderful couple with a wonderful serie. I realy enjoy how you are doing things. solving problems without having any expert knowledge about it.
Forward head, separate 3/4 size tub with seat relatively small with sink and head. Keeps you from bouncing around in a sea. Aft head, separate stand up shower, one or two relatively small wash areas with sink and head.
Bonjour comme d'habitude superbe vidéo. Quel travail respect. Le résultat est très bien. Je vous remercie pour vos vidéos et il me tarde de voir la prochaine. Bonne semaine amicalement René de Bordeaux France ❤
Your channel is fantastic and the history of the boat is the most important thing to remember. Keep up the great work,I will be following along as you endeavour to make Sarindar proud to be a sailing veteren again.
I really admire not only what you have achieved, but the way the two of you are able to work together. I really enjoy your videos! Re Toilets. If you have any members of the public on board at a later date, you will definitely need two toilets. Fink abaht ‘elf ‘n safety!
Love this project. Its been lovely watching you tackle this restoration. Please don’t hold your grinder head with your fingers like that. 😂 especially with that crazy blade on it😂
I think from a consumer side, I love the look of the wood and it does keep the look as a selling point.
Superior skills especially in restoring curved bulk heads and framing. I look forward in witnessing a marvel and miracle in restoration unfold. Nicely done you two!
The washroom shower was originally designed for a war work crew. Very utilitarian, but for personal or charting you have loads of options. Two smaller shower and toilet compartments c/w sink. Or a decent shower plus two or three toilets c/w a central sink for crew and guests. Open space for redesign - form, function, practical or comfortable. Or planning for toilets, sink, shower, wet locker?
The front deck areas keep looking smarter.
CONGRATULATIONS on hitting 100K subscribers !!!! You're doing great, just stick with it !!!
Build a working platform out of plastic pallets on the mud I'm sure Simon's smart enough to design an easy assemble sand disassembly so it can be moved .
I dropped in here 3 years ago, and thought bugger. Those two seem nice but this is too much. I am gobsmacked you have come so very very far. I bow before you. You are amazing and the work you have done is outstandingly impressive. Not much more to say but blimey!
34:00 As your not struggling for enough room to do anything, separate bog and shower. the bog will get much more use than the shower in the mornings, reduced que time ;-)
You could make a small room for a head & small sink , and put another head and shower small sink in the room next to it, we did something very similar in our house and it works really well. Regards Steve
I had a drop down wash basin that took up little room when folded up.
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Oooh, I liked the long shot with Gemma in the background and Simon in the aft section. It shows the passageways and how the front connects to the back. You get a proper bit of scale to her interior layout.
There are some stunning small naval boat conversions. The best have tall bulwarks to just ahead of the wheelhouse then they join a “wall” that runs across the boat ahead of the wheelhouse. Bulwarks forward of that “wall” are about 300mm high with stainless handrails above.
id go for whatever makes you comfy but i think the smaller rooms makes sense in rough seas
As others have commented, the aft bull extension plywood has not held up well. Using double diagonal plank extension would likely be stronger and probably last longer. Plus, it would look nicer. However, it would be a more of work. Especially if you extend the frames up from the lower beam shelf to the upper beam shelf. Yet it would again likely be stronger and last longer.
In regards to the aft head, I would move the aft wall forward a little bit. But, keep it one room with head, sink and shower. Then perhaps have head & sink in the aft cabin. Thus, 3 heads, but only 2 showers.
As for the thru-hulls, I'd blank any not needed immediately, (the engines need theirs available). Pull / cut the fittings out, (at low water of course), and then wet with epoxy the internal plank wood grain. Put in replacement plank or filler on the outside, and epoxy that in place. Then, add another piece on the inside, again with epoxy. Later, you will have more flexibility where you put the thru-hulls.
I look forward to the day you can motor about the area. Good luck.
Heres my Friday treat! Watching you two carry on and get stuff done!❤edit: im working on my house, and always putting screws and nails in my pockets. I check my pockets before i do the laundry, so i have a jar full of odd screws and nails and little bits on top of the tumble dryer!
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oh wow! Good idea to stop the ladder from falling! Oh, and you, too.
And you'd do well to attach the saw restarter (ye olde machine thumper) to the saw with a chain or something so it doesn't get misplaced.
I'll always suggest a small urinal in a bathroom, besides the sitter. Or a small sink over a urinal in a narrow closet/space so one doesn't get tossed about.
Buckets. They work!
From experience I’d always prefer head and toilet separately. Especially when cruising. To be able to use them simultaneously is great when someone is on watch for example. Not only but also in case of (or after) an “emergency” a separate toilet is very comfortable for the whole crew. Especially when you have more than 2 people per head on board.
Don’t let it get you down ,you’re doing an amazing job on the old girl bless you
So in open ocean, a smaller head and shower is much safer. Always have redundancy if you can afford the space.
Great work as always and at amazing speed too. Did you know that old gift cards make really good filler scrapers for spot putty work. I discovered this working on an old car I an restoring. You can get 2 good uses out of them (one on each end) before you throw them away. They're flexible and conform to contours really well.
Thought I'd pass it along so you can start collecting all the old used Matalan gift cards you can find.😊
You are both doing an amazing job. We started watching not long after you started the channel and admire your approach and how much your boat restoration skills have developed. You should be incredibly proud of all you have achieved so far.
Regarding the Heads compartment. As someone who was crew on a charter boat I would definitely advise you keep the shower and toilet seperate, particularly if you are doing overnight trips or any water sports. There is nothing worse than a guest having to wait to make an urgent deposit while someone else uses the shower. Then they go in to be greeted by a wet floor which leads to wet feet and water outside on the accommodation deck. To top that off with today’s OH&S rules you then have a slip hazard. Things to think about anyway.