SoTE had both the quality and quantity, It did everything perfectly and it felt like a whole new game in the best way possible, definitely their best work so far.
@Trapghanistan idk about empty. Star lined sword, 2 bosses, a cross, the fissure legacy dungeon, the mausoleum, multiple cave areas with talismans and items, etc. What's empty is the Abyssal woods, that's really the one that needs some change in its loot
@@jaya.regalado5086 It has 6 graces and 5 of them are in the fissure dungeon. That is the only thing there for big it is. If that wasent there nobody would go there
Gaius and Radahn perfect? I think Radahn is fine but come on. The dlc lore is great in a vacuum. Outside and stuff like miquella pre-dlc becomes a mess, his plans has so many holes in it, you have to make so many leaps to make it even slighly comprehensive. Messmer with nothing in the base game, despite literally being present until after the liurnian wars, big stretch. The number of oversights like the sentry torch. 30-40% of land is bare, though with half of that its delberate.
my list: 8. ashes of ariandel (cannot stand this one) 7. sunken king (pretty bad but has a cool end boss) 6. ivory king (frigid outskirts brings this one down) 5. artorias of the abyss 4. old iron king (i love fume knight) 3. ringed city (gael is the best boss ever but the areas are not fantastic or anything) 2. old hunters 1. shadow of the erdtree (i am glazing elden ring and theres nothing you can do about it)
Saying that Ashes of ariendel is bottom is criminal XD like at least it’s not the poison bullshit and puzzles without purpose of sunken king Nothing will ever be worse than frigid outskirts, I have never EVER wanted to cry while playing these games except for when I realized I’d be fighting THE SAME BOSS FROM EARLIER but now there are two and I see even less. At least ashes of ariendel had some badass new weapons, cool new npc characters, and Friede(which imo is the best duo fight since O&S)
While Erdtree is in my opinion the best, The Old Hunters was my original favorite and I agree with your takes about it here. Erdtree does just expand Elden Ring while The Old Hunters raises a great FS game to masterpiece status. Totally justified having it at number one. My ranking is: 1) Shadow of the Erdtree 2) The Old Hunters 3) The Ringed City 4) Artorias of the Abyss 5) Crown of the Iron King 6) Ashes of Ariandel 7) Crown of the Ivory King (objectively, this is the worst, but I just ignore Frigid Outskirts every time now and have a far better experience for it) 8) Crown of the Sunken King
Best why? Is it the empty world with hardly any good loot? Or the goofy Scadutree Fragment levelling system? Or maybe the annoying final boss? What is it that makes this DLC so good?
I really agree with the take of SOTE being greater, but Old Hunters just being the defining experience of a game, still to this day, is peak From Software
Completely agree with this list. The old hunters was fantastic start to finish. I felt slightly underwhelmed by the SoTE bosses, whilst there were some fantastic fights, some bosses felt like they were missing an extra level of thrill and excitement that I got from almost every boss in the Old Hunters
I agree that the Old Hunters dlc completes Bloodborne. Without the dlc, I would not have such a fond memory of my time with Bloodborne. Those 3 levels and 4 of the bosses really take the game to the next level.
I think the biggest accomplishment of SOTE i making the world itself into a legacy dungeon, basically every area is connected to the starting area or scadu altus and you have to gain the access to the them by exploring, you can't just walk in like in the majority of the base game
Unfortunately, most of those areas are barren and devoid of any interesting content, so it doesn't really matter if they're connected to Gravesite Plain or Scadu Altus like that. They're empty, boring and lack any interesting loot.
Personally speaking, Ashes of Ariandel is my least favorite dlc. If sister friede wasnt such a great boss, I would almost call it not worth it. I really like the Ivory King dlc because I love Eleum Loyce, it's one of my favorite dlc areas and its rewarding to explore with being able to gank Burnt Ivory King who is my favorite boss in ds2. Ivory King dlc is really just dependant on whether you like exploring it or not.
I don’t get the shadow of the Erdtree complaint that it didn’t improve much on the base game: 1. That’s not a complaint about the DLC. If the base game was a 10/10 for you, and the DLC was also a 10, then cool; it’s a great DLC. If you have a perfect or near perfect game, isn’t it a resounding success to make 30 hours of more perfect content for it? 2. It did improve on the base game imo. Deflecting hardtear transformed my whole play style and encouraged me to do an NG+ run. Some of the weapons in there were great. The boss quality and OSTs were through the roof and a big improvement over base game imo. Granted, looking back the legacy dungeons were just slightly underwhelming and I was hoping for a second legacy dungeon on the level of a Farum Azula or Volcano Manor, to go along Shadowkeep which was instant S-tier. And this may be what puts Old Hunters over it for me.
Old Hunters may not be the biggest DLC but the experience going through it was something else. I think without Old Hunters, I wouldn't like Bloodborne as much because a lot of the base game bosses are very mediocre or just awful. Definitely top 1 for me as well. But Ringed City and SOTE are tied and not far behind. Fromsoft's DLCs are just generally extremely good
Big surprise, someone on the internet who won't give DS2 a fair pass. Ariendel is smaller, has one worthwhile boss (2 bosses plus a reskin is better than just 2) and a massive part of its map is a wasted bonus area. And it was more expensive than the DS2 DLC areas. The level design of Ariendel is way worse than the DS2 maps, also, all three of which have a unique feel with interesting mechanics to reward exploration. Also, I like how you complain that that the DS2 areas aren't big enough (did you seriously compare to SotET????) but then get mad at Eleum Loyce for having too much content. BTW, the DLCs aren't much smaller than the DS1 and DS3 DLC.
Old hunters carries Bloodborne so hard and people barely notice. The second half of BB base game is almost entirely mediocre or just bad (except Castle Canehurst which is probably the best in base BB). From the forbidden woods onward level are either tiny with barely anything (Byrgenwerth/ the study hall nightmare), or drawn out and packed with annoying enemies ( forbidden woods, yarhalgoul, most of mensis). In terms of bosses it’s worse. Only two bosses are generally considered good, Gherman and logarius. The rest consist of Rom, Micolash and TOR which are all awful. Mergos wet nurse is better than the rest but still a underwhelming fight given all the build up. If that sounded like a lot of negativity it’s because it was. BB suffers from the second half downfall the way Dark Souls 1 does. People just blank on it because the old Hunters exists and most people go there either right after Amelia or Rom, so by the time they come back to base game they steamroll their way to Gherman without much thought. My point is that Old Hunter is so good that it gives player amnesia and makes them forget about the bad parts so BB just seems like a perfect experience from start to finish.
This is so correct. As much as I love Bloodborne(my 3rd fav souls game) the quality does drop off in the second half. I actually like all the areas other than Mensis, second half of the woods and the swamp in nightmare frontier, but bosses like Rom, the One Reborn and Micolash really hurt the game’s pace (tho tbh I think Bloodborne’s base game bosses are very overrated anyway). The Old Hunters really elevated Bloodborne to legendary status.
People don't seem to understand the only thing keeping bloodborne not at the bottom is the dlc. If I couldn't play dlc for FS ever again I never would pick up bloodborne
Very respectable ranking. In my opinion Ashes of Ariandel is the worst DLC, not only because it is very bare content wise(2.5 hours), but because the content, except Friede, is very uninteresting. And cost the same as Ringed City, which is a travesty knowing the difference on both quality and quantity they have. I haven´t played Old Hunters because well, getting a PS4 for only a game doesn´t sound very economic xD.
For me its Ringed City above SOTE because of rhe Finale. Gael is still my favourite boss in every game I've ever played, and not just the fight itself but the leadup and change of the environment when we face him. I sometimes play through the entirety of DS3 just to fight Gael again. In SOTE the leadup is crazy good with enir illim but I just hate fighting radahn. It doesnt feel nearly as rewarding but more like a chore I have to do. Maybe this would change if Messmer is the final boss with all the leadup being in the Keep instead of enir illim because he feels close to as fun to fight as Gael for me. Easy 2nd Place in the Series for me
Guess I'll do my own list lol: 8: Old Iron King: Enemies were boring and visuals. . . existed? outside of Fume Knight it was just really not fun 7: Sunken King: At least it looked cool. 6: Ivory King: Peak atmosphere, solid enemies, and Burned Ivory King is by far my favorite part of DS2 5: Ashes of Ariendel, I wish empty ruins and empty village had something to do, because 2 more hours and 1 more boss was all Ashes needed 4: AOTA: Really fun, kinda short (also Santuary Guardian > Manus and Calameet, feel free to hate me) 3: Old Hunters: IMO Old Hunted is *level wise* good, but not extroidinary, and three peak bosses Is only enough for third place. 2: SoTE, From's most expensive and biggest expansion, but outside of Midra, Bayle, and Messmer, It's just on par, if not falling behind the base game, and a lot of it feels rushed. 1: Ringed City: Two awesome areas, 3 awesome'r bosses, stunning visuals, and ringed knights existing, what more could I want.
My top pick is probably SotE, but I understand why you picked OH. They are very close and that TV show/Movie analogy was actually very interesting to me. I love the complete package OH provides, but the sheer beauty and intricate fascinating world they crafted with Elden Ring puts it in first for me. The DLC is filled with so many new options to add to RPG freedom and some of the most exciting exploration I've had in a videogame. The soundtrack, areas, bosses, new gear and new characters are so amazing and its actually so impressive how good they are considering the quantity of them as well. OH bosses added a lot of character that many base game fights missed while ER already had that with some of the most complex characters in the series. Your point about OH defining Bloodborne is spot on. I love every moment of OH, just to varying degrees. I could say the only real downsides for SotE are either part of the identity of an open world or fights like Romina lacking build-up and being a little confusing. On the other hand the build-up to Messmer, Midra, Bayle, Lion and Radahn are top notch. Also I loved Belurat and Enir Ilim personally. I thought the connection between them is super cool and some of the most beautiful and visually detailed areas they've ever done. So much character and Belurat has my favourite area theme music. Also the ties to the tower of Babel and the lore significance of it all is so cool. This was a really good video and entertaining to watch. Good job. EDIT: Spelling and grammar atrocities were committed.
Yeah SOTE is better than Old Hunters, but I can see where you’re coming from, it only shows how peak base game Elden Ring was & I think so many people took that quality & quantity for granted, it almost feels as though Elden Ring didn't need a DLC even, its effect to Elden Ring hasn’t been as defining as Old Hunters to Bloodborne. My rankings are as follows: 1. Shadow of the Erdtree. 2. Old Hunters. 3. Ringed City. 4. Artorias of the Abyss. 5. All DS2 DLCs. 6. Ashes of Garbino.
It hasn't been as defining because it's probably the only DLC that is actively worse than the base game. Shadow of the Erdtree has some good things, but a lot of bad things, too.
I talked about how bad the main game boss run is between rom/micolash, but you could really say that about any game that’s at the top of anyones list. It’s just an opinion about how much fun you had.
I do agree with what are you saying, but personally, I do disagree in the ranking of the top 2. What I mean, it's true that Bloodborne DLC gives to the game way more than Elden Ring DLC does with its base game. Like, playing bloodborne without dlc, can be compared to playing only shura ending on sekiro, missing all the endgame top tier areas, and one of the best, if not the best, boss fromsoftware has ever made. It's really like this, bloodborne dlc has by far the best content of bloodborne, by miles. On the other hand, if you play Elden Ring, and miss only the dlc, I'd say you lost some top tier content, but it's like you got the 80% of the experience, you got an almost full experience of the game. So Old Hunters dlc gives to the game way more. With this I do totally agree. The part that I personally disagree on is the ranking. Because if you are ranking the dlcs, you should take the content they offer, and should not be affected on how good the base game is. With this in mind, I think shadow of the erdtree is the dlc that gave me the most, in term of quantity but also quality. I mean, I loved every great boss from bloodborne dlc, orphan of kos probably my favourite, a true real beast crushing you over and over again. The areas and ost were top tier too, true masterpiece. But that feeling I got entring for the first time the shadow realm. This big desolated land, full of graves and silence. The furnace golem in distance, bringin terror and destruction with each step. The run up to the peak of Bayle, with Igon's search for veangence. The true horror of Midra's woods. The fights inside belurat, enri's castle and the shadow keep, with Mesmer's depression and hatred at the end. The jungle and maze of Romina's area. The story of S.Trina and all the npc quests and stories. The climax of enri-ilim, where you climb up to fight against a true GOD, like the last area of Lies of P builds up, where you feel like climbing up the tower of babylon and getting in contact with gods. Nha if I have to rank the dlc, based on what it gave me over what it gave to the game, SOTE get the first spot. Old Hunters and Ringed City dlc are on par for 2 and 3 place, maybe old hunter slightly above, but not much. Artorias dlc a little below those 2, only because of the limit of the game, even if it was the base for everything we got. Lastly ariandel, that if you take out Frieda, loses like a 50% of the dlc true content (I loved frieda btw, top tier fromsoft boss). I didn't rank dark souls 2 dlc because I haven't played dark souls 2 at all, gotta play it in the future.
Can't wait for next week to see the community. And I'll also wait for your updated favourite boss list. Maybe you'll also talk about ost? SotE areas? Thanks for your content
I honestly prefer SOTE to DS3 base game, so I'd safely say that's my favorite DLC. I do think that Old Hunters was more important for Bloodborne than SOTE for Elden Ring since OH massively improved Bloodborne 2nd half and mediocre boss roster.
Unironically, if you praise it or don’t outright hate it like the contrarians or dishonest ‘critics’, you get called a cultist. So, kindly f off out of the community if you say stuff like this, we don’t need you.
Base bloodborne was great but It’d be my 3rd favorite From game without Old Hunters, the DLC raises it to my favorite in the series Makes you speculate on how Sekiro would be remembered if it had DLC; the base game is tuned to perfection but just needed a bit more; I’m sure people would more readily place it as their favorites if it did
Ashes of ariendele too high, SOTE to high, ringed city way too low. I dont even know how its a contest for number one??? Same with ds1 dlc not being higher with how iconic it is. Maybe in a few years we will see about SOTE but while it has some high highs there is just too much if it thats really boring(most of the non-boss content) that makes me never want to play it again.
If you had to rank the DLCs based on their best moment, would the ranking change? The reason I ask this is because obviously, the Dark Souls 2 DLCs get dragged down a lot for various reasons, but they also have some great boss fights and lore revelations- it's just buried under a large pile of bullshittery. Or even Ashes of Ariandel being so short and the optional boss being extremely underwhelming is what usually brings it down a lot in most people's lists.
Run backs to boss fights with no checkpoints and past enemies you already taken out overshadow any good moments. But wait you can just take out the enemies enough times to get them to stop respawning. Nope I'm sorry my guy that's bad design.
@@AndrewAung1992I would say that, outside the co-op areas, the runbacks in DS2 DLCs are chill. Ivory King has its two main bosses a few seconds away from a Bonfire. And Slumbering Dragon is literally a second away from you.
@@enman009 What about Blue Smelter Demon and the best boss in the game Sir Alonne. Great boss fights with a checkpoint right outside the boss fight right?
@@AndrewAung1992 You didn't read my comment, huh? I said outside of the co-op areas, Blue Smelter Demon is a co-op area and Sir Alonne offers 2 NPCs in case you couldn't even get people to play.
@@enman009 Still man for people that don't want to use Co-Op that is a bad design. There is no Co-Op when I am playing and you should balance your game around that. Not make a boss run back punishing if you don't use Co-Op. With your logic it's basically you better use Co-Op or else you get bad design.
I would agree, but I would switch 4th and 3rd, 2nd and 1st. Old hunters is amazing, but the biggest issue with it (and bloodborne as awhole) is that it is boring. It lacks diversity, every place pretty much feels the same (dark, murky, depressing, visually unappealing), compared to something like Elden Ring which has much more visually appealing areas, has quite a lot of diversity. That being said, the boss line up of the old hunters is almost perfect, compared to SotE’s average boss rating maybe something like A or B.
DS3 Ringed City + Ashes = best DLC 🗿 You guys weren’t there! The hype of DLC 1 and how people explored every inch. Never had we seen PvP explode so much thanks to the introduction of arenas! And the Stories are united. You finished DLC 1 and the lady spoke of Gael. Many months later DLC2 dropped and you were greeted with Gael’s signs. People just blindly start DLCs now. But back then those details mattered. Farewell. This comment will be lost to time. As was the experience of DS2 and DS3 DLC’s and how they didn’t fully drop as a new player will experience them today…
Old Iron King would’ve been perfect if not gor the Sir Alonne runback. I, still, never beaten Sir Alonne because I can’t be aksed to that runback. That shit is horrible. P.S. Old Hunters best dlc
Hot take: I don't like the new Elden Ring DLC that much. I think's overrated. Legacy Dungeons didn't blow me away, the open world feels so sparse and empty, and the loot rewards are terrible, I don't particularly like most of the bosses, and I thought the story/lore decisions with Miquella/Radahn and all that were a huge mistake. I don't really understand the praise it is getting because it's the ONE DLC in the series that I actually think makes the base game worse. It detracts from Elden Ring as a game, unlike the others, which either improved the base game, or did nothing for it.
BRO what are you talking about at 9:05 ? sister friede´s first and second phase could not have been a whole boss in bloodborne and wouldnt even be a good one in ds1
There are legitimately bosses in ds1 and ds2 that have 3-5 attacks TOTAL (and that’s what I meant, meant to say previous dark souls games) Phase 1 is more complex than 90% from either of those games.
@@Nightwalk2 With just ds1 and 2 it is a valid point but i don´t think it would have been in the top 10 within either of those two games. I´m probably extremly biased because i just love ds1 and i even think it´s better that ds3. I spend over 500 hours in ds1 before touching any other of those games.
@@matteorudolph4746Btw how’s your ranking of the games? Mines: 1. Bloodborne 2. Dark Souls 3. Sekiro 4. Dark Souls 3 5. Demon’s Souls (PS3) 6. Dark Souls 2 7. Elden Ring
@@fazelegobrix8270 it doesn't💀. Cleric Beast Gascoigne Amelia BSB Paarl Shadows of Yharnam Amygdala Ebreitas Logarius Wet Nurse Gherman They're all good or great bosses
I see what you’re taking. I heard that OH saved Bloodborne as a game since the base game was… meh, two or three good bosses, but that’s it, but ER is already fantastic and great without the DLC. So yeah, BB needed OH to shine, but ER is fine without SOTE.
1) The Old Hunters (obviously, it was always unbeatable) 2) Artorias of the Abyss 3) The Ringed City 4) Crown of the Old Iron King 5) Crown of the Sunken King 6) Ashes of Ariandel 7) Shadow of the Erdtree 8) Crown of the Ivory King
How i would rank them (I replayed Dark Souls 3 and its DLC's, which are way worse than i remember) 8: Ashes of Ariandel (3.5/10) 7: The Ringed City (5/10) 6: Shadow of the Erdtree (6.5/10) 5: Sunken King (7.5/10) 4: Ivory King (8/10) 3: Artorias of the abyss (8.5/10) 2: Old Iron King (8.5/10) 1: The Old Hunters (10/10)
I cant imagine coming back from shadow of the erdtree dlc against all these bosses
SoTE had both the quality and quantity, It did everything perfectly and it felt like a whole new game in the best way possible, definitely their best work so far.
Let me guess u play on pc?
So there is nothing you'd change? Like for example cerulean coast being empty
@Trapghanistan idk about empty.
Star lined sword, 2 bosses, a cross, the fissure legacy dungeon, the mausoleum, multiple cave areas with talismans and items, etc.
What's empty is the Abyssal woods, that's really the one that needs some change in its loot
@@jaya.regalado5086 It has 6 graces and 5 of them are in the fissure dungeon. That is the only thing there for big it is. If that wasent there nobody would go there
Gaius and Radahn perfect? I think Radahn is fine but come on. The dlc lore is great in a vacuum. Outside and stuff like miquella pre-dlc becomes a mess, his plans has so many holes in it, you have to make so many leaps to make it even slighly comprehensive. Messmer with nothing in the base game, despite literally being present until after the liurnian wars, big stretch. The number of oversights like the sentry torch. 30-40% of land is bare, though with half of that its delberate.
my list:
8. ashes of ariandel (cannot stand this one)
7. sunken king (pretty bad but has a cool end boss)
6. ivory king (frigid outskirts brings this one down)
5. artorias of the abyss
4. old iron king (i love fume knight)
3. ringed city (gael is the best boss ever but the areas are not fantastic or anything)
2. old hunters
1. shadow of the erdtree (i am glazing elden ring and theres nothing you can do about it)
I agree with SOTE being number 1 but i would switch sunken king with ivory king
Saying that Ashes of ariendel is bottom is criminal XD
like at least it’s not the poison bullshit and puzzles without purpose of sunken king
Nothing will ever be worse than frigid outskirts, I have never EVER wanted to cry while playing these games except for when I realized I’d be fighting THE SAME BOSS FROM EARLIER but now there are two and I see even less.
At least ashes of ariendel had some badass new weapons, cool new npc characters, and Friede(which imo is the best duo fight since O&S)
While Erdtree is in my opinion the best, The Old Hunters was my original favorite and I agree with your takes about it here. Erdtree does just expand Elden Ring while The Old Hunters raises a great FS game to masterpiece status. Totally justified having it at number one.
My ranking is:
1) Shadow of the Erdtree
2) The Old Hunters
3) The Ringed City
4) Artorias of the Abyss
5) Crown of the Iron King
6) Ashes of Ariandel
7) Crown of the Ivory King (objectively, this is the worst, but I just ignore Frigid Outskirts every time now and have a far better experience for it)
8) Crown of the Sunken King
Best why? Is it the empty world with hardly any good loot? Or the goofy Scadutree Fragment levelling system? Or maybe the annoying final boss? What is it that makes this DLC so good?
@@Al-ji4gd Well, I disagree with everything you said, for one. So I don't think we have much of a conversation.
I really agree with the take of SOTE being greater, but Old Hunters just being the defining experience of a game, still to this day, is peak From Software
Old Hunters is the one fromsoftware DLC I wish was replayable on it’s own
wdym? you can blaze through the base game in and you can access the DLC pretty early in the game
Completely agree with this list. The old hunters was fantastic start to finish. I felt slightly underwhelmed by the SoTE bosses, whilst there were some fantastic fights, some bosses felt like they were missing an extra level of thrill and excitement that I got from almost every boss in the Old Hunters
I agree that the Old Hunters dlc completes Bloodborne. Without the dlc, I would not have such a fond memory of my time with Bloodborne. Those 3 levels and 4 of the bosses really take the game to the next level.
I think the biggest accomplishment of SOTE i making the world itself into a legacy dungeon, basically every area is connected to the starting area or scadu altus and you have to gain the access to the them by exploring, you can't just walk in like in the majority of the base game
Unfortunately, most of those areas are barren and devoid of any interesting content, so it doesn't really matter if they're connected to Gravesite Plain or Scadu Altus like that. They're empty, boring and lack any interesting loot.
@@Al-ji4gdYeah I remember Old Hunters areas being just like that
@@Vengeance_I_m I definitely do not and I played it like 2 years ago, and I would recommend you play it again if you feel that way.
Personally speaking, Ashes of Ariandel is my least favorite dlc. If sister friede wasnt such a great boss, I would almost call it not worth it. I really like the Ivory King dlc because I love Eleum Loyce, it's one of my favorite dlc areas and its rewarding to explore with being able to gank Burnt Ivory King who is my favorite boss in ds2. Ivory King dlc is really just dependant on whether you like exploring it or not.
Old hunter over sote is wild
I don’t get the shadow of the Erdtree complaint that it didn’t improve much on the base game:
1. That’s not a complaint about the DLC. If the base game was a 10/10 for you, and the DLC was also a 10, then cool; it’s a great DLC. If you have a perfect or near perfect game, isn’t it a resounding success to make 30 hours of more perfect content for it?
2. It did improve on the base game imo. Deflecting hardtear transformed my whole play style and encouraged me to do an NG+ run. Some of the weapons in there were great. The boss quality and OSTs were through the roof and a big improvement over base game imo. Granted, looking back the legacy dungeons were just slightly underwhelming and I was hoping for a second legacy dungeon on the level of a Farum Azula or Volcano Manor, to go along Shadowkeep which was instant S-tier. And this may be what puts Old Hunters over it for me.
So the OSTs being better is all you have? And even that is arguable lol.
@@Al-ji4gd didn’t know reading was such a hard skill 😂
@@Stanzbey69 For you it must be.
Ashes not on bottom makes this list objectively incorrect. Literally the only good thing about it is Friede.
I put as many hours in 1st Shadow Erdtree playthrough than 2 entire Bloodborne playthroughs +DLC... It's a crime to even compare it to an 8h dlc
Bloodborne's base game is so weak that I don't think it makes the top 3.
Top 3 is ER, DS3 and Sekiro.
this is an insane take LOL
@@Ty-rs6lklogical, and not nostalgia driven
@@Vengeance_I_m I have played all of them 4 times each, I played Bloodborne again last year. It's definitely not nostalgia.
Yeah the base game is not as great as I like it to be. The dlc fucking kills it 😂 (obviously in the best way possible)
Old hunters is near perfect but for me ds1 and elden ring dlc are my favorite
Old Hunters may not be the biggest DLC but the experience going through it was something else. I think without Old Hunters, I wouldn't like Bloodborne as much because a lot of the base game bosses are very mediocre or just awful. Definitely top 1 for me as well. But Ringed City and SOTE are tied and not far behind. Fromsoft's DLCs are just generally extremely good
Big surprise, someone on the internet who won't give DS2 a fair pass.
Ariendel is smaller, has one worthwhile boss (2 bosses plus a reskin is better than just 2) and a massive part of its map is a wasted bonus area. And it was more expensive than the DS2 DLC areas. The level design of Ariendel is way worse than the DS2 maps, also, all three of which have a unique feel with interesting mechanics to reward exploration.
Also, I like how you complain that that the DS2 areas aren't big enough (did you seriously compare to SotET????) but then get mad at Eleum Loyce for having too much content. BTW, the DLCs aren't much smaller than the DS1 and DS3 DLC.
You seem weirdly defensive about this. He's allowed to have his opinion, just because you disagree doesn't mean he's wrong.
Old Hunters is so good when you ignore that 2/5 bosses are bad
And that the first area has so many reused enemies (apparently for some people only elden ring is guilty of that)
@@qyeti4785 for real, these double standards are insane
Not to mention that every souls game even sekiro have reused bosses and then they blame elden ring for reusing bosses,hypocrisy at its best huh
unlike SOTE, where like 8/12 bosses are bad.
@@Al-ji4gd List them
Old hunters carries Bloodborne so hard and people barely notice. The second half of BB base game is almost entirely mediocre or just bad (except Castle Canehurst which is probably the best in base BB). From the forbidden woods onward level are either tiny with barely anything (Byrgenwerth/ the study hall nightmare), or drawn out and packed with annoying enemies ( forbidden woods, yarhalgoul, most of mensis). In terms of bosses it’s worse. Only two bosses are generally considered good, Gherman and logarius. The rest consist of Rom, Micolash and TOR which are all awful. Mergos wet nurse is better than the rest but still a underwhelming fight given all the build up. If that sounded like a lot of negativity it’s because it was. BB suffers from the second half downfall the way Dark Souls 1 does. People just blank on it because the old Hunters exists and most people go there either right after Amelia or Rom, so by the time they come back to base game they steamroll their way to Gherman without much thought. My point is that Old Hunter is so good that it gives player amnesia and makes them forget about the bad parts so BB just seems like a perfect experience from start to finish.
Father G is pretty good. You forgot him
@@fili0938 his arena is downright awful in phase 1.
This is so correct. As much as I love Bloodborne(my 3rd fav souls game) the quality does drop off in the second half. I actually like all the areas other than Mensis, second half of the woods and the swamp in nightmare frontier, but bosses like Rom, the One Reborn and Micolash really hurt the game’s pace (tho tbh I think Bloodborne’s base game bosses are very overrated anyway). The Old Hunters really elevated Bloodborne to legendary status.
People don't seem to understand the only thing keeping bloodborne not at the bottom is the dlc. If I couldn't play dlc for FS ever again I never would pick up bloodborne
@@fili0938 yes he is but he is the first boss. What I’m saying is is that the first couple of areas and bosses are a lot better then the second half.
Very respectable ranking.
In my opinion Ashes of Ariandel is the worst DLC, not only because it is very bare content wise(2.5 hours), but because the content, except Friede, is very uninteresting. And cost the same as Ringed City, which is a travesty knowing the difference on both quality and quantity they have.
I haven´t played Old Hunters because well, getting a PS4 for only a game doesn´t sound very economic xD.
For me its Ringed City above SOTE because of rhe Finale. Gael is still my favourite boss in every game I've ever played, and not just the fight itself but the leadup and change of the environment when we face him. I sometimes play through the entirety of DS3 just to fight Gael again. In SOTE the leadup is crazy good with enir illim but I just hate fighting radahn. It doesnt feel nearly as rewarding but more like a chore I have to do. Maybe this would change if Messmer is the final boss with all the leadup being in the Keep instead of enir illim because he feels close to as fun to fight as Gael for me. Easy 2nd Place in the Series for me
Guess I'll do my own list lol:
8: Old Iron King: Enemies were boring and visuals. . . existed? outside of Fume Knight it was just really not fun
7: Sunken King: At least it looked cool.
6: Ivory King: Peak atmosphere, solid enemies, and Burned Ivory King is by far my favorite part of DS2
5: Ashes of Ariendel, I wish empty ruins and empty village had something to do, because 2 more hours and 1 more boss was all Ashes needed
4: AOTA: Really fun, kinda short (also Santuary Guardian > Manus and Calameet, feel free to hate me)
3: Old Hunters: IMO Old Hunted is *level wise* good, but not extroidinary, and three peak bosses Is only enough for third place.
2: SoTE, From's most expensive and biggest expansion, but outside of Midra, Bayle, and Messmer, It's just on par, if not falling behind the base game, and a lot of it feels rushed.
1: Ringed City: Two awesome areas, 3 awesome'r bosses, stunning visuals, and ringed knights existing, what more could I want.
My top pick is probably SotE, but I understand why you picked OH. They are very close and that TV show/Movie analogy was actually very interesting to me. I love the complete package OH provides, but the sheer beauty and intricate fascinating world they crafted with Elden Ring puts it in first for me. The DLC is filled with so many new options to add to RPG freedom and some of the most exciting exploration I've had in a videogame. The soundtrack, areas, bosses, new gear and new characters are so amazing and its actually so impressive how good they are considering the quantity of them as well. OH bosses added a lot of character that many base game fights missed while ER already had that with some of the most complex characters in the series. Your point about OH defining Bloodborne is spot on. I love every moment of OH, just to varying degrees. I could say the only real downsides for SotE are either part of the identity of an open world or fights like Romina lacking build-up and being a little confusing. On the other hand the build-up to Messmer, Midra, Bayle, Lion and Radahn are top notch. Also I loved Belurat and Enir Ilim personally. I thought the connection between them is super cool and some of the most beautiful and visually detailed areas they've ever done. So much character and Belurat has my favourite area theme music. Also the ties to the tower of Babel and the lore significance of it all is so cool.
This was a really good video and entertaining to watch. Good job.
EDIT: Spelling and grammar atrocities were committed.
nah ivory king wasnt bad (except for the slog that is rigid outskirts)
you see stone coffin fissure as a legacy? i see it as the best Cave level in ER with the best cave boss lol
Haha I guess you could see it that way, either way I was looking for one more strong legacy dungeon
Yeah SOTE is better than Old Hunters, but I can see where you’re coming from, it only shows how peak base game Elden Ring was & I think so many people took that quality & quantity for granted, it almost feels as though Elden Ring didn't need a DLC even, its effect to Elden Ring hasn’t been as defining as Old Hunters to Bloodborne. My rankings are as follows:
1. Shadow of the Erdtree.
2. Old Hunters.
3. Ringed City.
4. Artorias of the Abyss.
5. All DS2 DLCs.
6. Ashes of Garbino.
It hasn't been as defining because it's probably the only DLC that is actively worse than the base game. Shadow of the Erdtree has some good things, but a lot of bad things, too.
Never seen a bigger bb glazer XD
I talked about how bad the main game boss run is between rom/micolash, but you could really say that about any game that’s at the top of anyones list. It’s just an opinion about how much fun you had.
All good Bro its obviously just prefernces. Glad u enjoyed the game so much.
Keep the work up i really enjoy those videos👍
I do agree with what are you saying, but personally, I do disagree in the ranking of the top 2.
What I mean, it's true that Bloodborne DLC gives to the game way more than Elden Ring DLC does with its base game. Like, playing bloodborne without dlc, can be compared to playing only shura ending on sekiro, missing all the endgame top tier areas, and one of the best, if not the best, boss fromsoftware has ever made. It's really like this, bloodborne dlc has by far the best content of bloodborne, by miles.
On the other hand, if you play Elden Ring, and miss only the dlc, I'd say you lost some top tier content, but it's like you got the 80% of the experience, you got an almost full experience of the game. So Old Hunters dlc gives to the game way more. With this I do totally agree.
The part that I personally disagree on is the ranking. Because if you are ranking the dlcs, you should take the content they offer, and should not be affected on how good the base game is. With this in mind, I think shadow of the erdtree is the dlc that gave me the most, in term of quantity but also quality. I mean, I loved every great boss from bloodborne dlc, orphan of kos probably my favourite, a true real beast crushing you over and over again. The areas and ost were top tier too, true masterpiece.
But that feeling I got entring for the first time the shadow realm.
This big desolated land, full of graves and silence.
The furnace golem in distance, bringin terror and destruction with each step.
The run up to the peak of Bayle, with Igon's search for veangence.
The true horror of Midra's woods.
The fights inside belurat, enri's castle and the shadow keep, with Mesmer's depression and hatred at the end.
The jungle and maze of Romina's area.
The story of S.Trina and all the npc quests and stories.
The climax of enri-ilim, where you climb up to fight against a true GOD, like the last area of Lies of P builds up, where you feel like climbing up the tower of babylon and getting in contact with gods.
Nha if I have to rank the dlc, based on what it gave me over what it gave to the game, SOTE get the first spot.
Old Hunters and Ringed City dlc are on par for 2 and 3 place, maybe old hunter slightly above, but not much.
Artorias dlc a little below those 2, only because of the limit of the game, even if it was the base for everything we got.
Lastly ariandel, that if you take out Frieda, loses like a 50% of the dlc true content (I loved frieda btw, top tier fromsoft boss).
I didn't rank dark souls 2 dlc because I haven't played dark souls 2 at all, gotta play it in the future.
Can't wait for next week to see the community. And I'll also wait for your updated favourite boss list.
Maybe you'll also talk about ost? SotE areas? Thanks for your content
We know you loved the dlc of dark souls 1 just by the sound of your voice. It was emotional and pretty at the same time. 😊
Old hunters has a reused area. One bad boss two good and two ok...it is jsut the base game of bloodborn is pretty bad
I have the literal exact same list, but I'd put SOTE under crown of the ivory king. Old Iron King is also interchangeable with Ashes of Ariandel.
I honestly prefer SOTE to DS3 base game, so I'd safely say that's my favorite DLC.
I do think that Old Hunters was more important for Bloodborne than SOTE for Elden Ring since OH massively improved Bloodborne 2nd half and mediocre boss roster.
Good list.
My list:
1-SOTE
2-Ringed city
3-The Old Hunter
4-AOTA
5-Ashes of Ariandel
Ariandel and Ringed City were originally meant to be 1 dlc. If it was would you say it could challenge Old Hunters and Shadow of the Erdtree?
Hmm I guess it depends how they made it work. Like are we just warping from one to the other, as is now? If so, then no, probably not.
RAH BLOODBORNE ON TOP, WTH IS A SEQUEL?
Bro YOu didnt even watched the Video 😭😭😭😭😭
@@ifym900 I’ve got an instinct for these things
The issue with any rankings these days, if u as so much point out minor criticisms of SOTE u get pitchforks
ER fanboys, dude.
Bloodborne fanboys are much worse than that. I've faced multiple death threats and insults because I dared to criticise the game in certain videos
Unironically, if you praise it or don’t outright hate it like the contrarians or dishonest ‘critics’, you get called a cultist. So, kindly f off out of the community if you say stuff like this, we don’t need you.
Base bloodborne was great but It’d be my 3rd favorite From game without Old Hunters, the DLC raises it to my favorite in the series
Makes you speculate on how Sekiro would be remembered if it had DLC; the base game is tuned to perfection but just needed a bit more; I’m sure people would more readily place it as their favorites if it did
Bro what is that sword from the ds2 footage ? I want it
I can’t see the footage rn but I think it’s the smelter demon boss weapon
Bloodborne needed old hunters, SoTE is just more of elden ring, which was already like a 9,5/10
Ashes of ariendele too high, SOTE to high, ringed city way too low. I dont even know how its a contest for number one??? Same with ds1 dlc not being higher with how iconic it is. Maybe in a few years we will see about SOTE but while it has some high highs there is just too much if it thats really boring(most of the non-boss content) that makes me never want to play it again.
If you had to rank the DLCs based on their best moment, would the ranking change? The reason I ask this is because obviously, the Dark Souls 2 DLCs get dragged down a lot for various reasons, but they also have some great boss fights and lore revelations- it's just buried under a large pile of bullshittery. Or even Ashes of Ariandel being so short and the optional boss being extremely underwhelming is what usually brings it down a lot in most people's lists.
Run backs to boss fights with no checkpoints and past enemies you already taken out overshadow any good moments. But wait you can just take out the enemies enough times to get them to stop respawning. Nope I'm sorry my guy that's bad design.
@@AndrewAung1992I would say that, outside the co-op areas, the runbacks in DS2 DLCs are chill. Ivory King has its two main bosses a few seconds away from a Bonfire. And Slumbering Dragon is literally a second away from you.
@@enman009 What about Blue Smelter Demon and the best boss in the game Sir Alonne. Great boss fights with a checkpoint right outside the boss fight right?
@@AndrewAung1992 You didn't read my comment, huh? I said outside of the co-op areas, Blue Smelter Demon is a co-op area and Sir Alonne offers 2 NPCs in case you couldn't even get people to play.
@@enman009 Still man for people that don't want to use Co-Op that is a bad design. There is no Co-Op when I am playing and you should balance your game around that. Not make a boss run back punishing if you don't use Co-Op. With your logic it's basically you better use Co-Op or else you get bad design.
Nah dude. Midra Bael and Mesmir alone make it better than bloodbornes dlc
I would agree, but I would switch 4th and 3rd, 2nd and 1st. Old hunters is amazing, but the biggest issue with it (and bloodborne as awhole) is that it is boring. It lacks diversity, every place pretty much feels the same (dark, murky, depressing, visually unappealing), compared to something like Elden Ring which has much more visually appealing areas, has quite a lot of diversity. That being said, the boss line up of the old hunters is almost perfect, compared to SotE’s average boss rating maybe something like A or B.
Gravesite Plains and Scadu Altus look the same, and Cerulean Coast and Charo’s Grave are colored swap versions of the same area.
Her name is pronounced Freida 😭
DS3 Ringed City + Ashes = best DLC 🗿
You guys weren’t there! The hype of DLC 1 and how people explored every inch.
Never had we seen PvP explode so much thanks to the introduction of arenas!
And the Stories are united. You finished DLC 1 and the lady spoke of Gael.
Many months later DLC2 dropped and you were greeted with Gael’s signs.
People just blindly start DLCs now. But back then those details mattered.
Farewell. This comment will be lost to time. As was the experience of DS2 and DS3 DLC’s and how they didn’t fully drop as a new player will experience them today…
#9 sekiro because it doesn’t FUCKING EXIST
And poor demons souls 😭
@@Nightwalk2 oh yeah haha
Dude I have to say you shocked me out
Shadow of the erdtree isn’t the first place is insane! 💀 it deserves to be the best
Old Iron King would’ve been perfect if not gor the Sir Alonne runback. I, still, never beaten Sir Alonne because I can’t be aksed to that runback. That shit is horrible. P.S. Old Hunters best dlc
Who is buying dark souls 2 dlc separately in 2024?
I really didn’t like the sunken city dlc. I hate underground levels and the tight corridors and bosses don’t do it for me.
Hot take: I don't like the new Elden Ring DLC that much. I think's overrated. Legacy Dungeons didn't blow me away, the open world feels so sparse and empty, and the loot rewards are terrible, I don't particularly like most of the bosses, and I thought the story/lore decisions with Miquella/Radahn and all that were a huge mistake. I don't really understand the praise it is getting because it's the ONE DLC in the series that I actually think makes the base game worse. It detracts from Elden Ring as a game, unlike the others, which either improved the base game, or did nothing for it.
Maybe it's not better than the base game, but I pretty much agree with you that base Elden Ring is by far the best game in SoulsBorne catalogue.
are u sick?
BRO what are you talking about at 9:05 ? sister friede´s first and second phase could not have been a whole boss in bloodborne and wouldnt even be a good one in ds1
There are legitimately bosses in ds1 and ds2 that have 3-5 attacks TOTAL (and that’s what I meant, meant to say previous dark souls games)
Phase 1 is more complex than 90% from either of those games.
@@Nightwalk2 With just ds1 and 2 it is a valid point but i don´t think it would have been in the top 10 within either of those two games. I´m probably extremly biased because i just love ds1 and i even think it´s better that ds3. I spend over 500 hours in ds1 before touching any other of those games.
@@Nightwalk2 Bloodborne is still the GOAT though
@@matteorudolph4746W. I also like DS1 a decent amount more than DS3
@@matteorudolph4746Btw how’s your ranking of the games?
Mines:
1. Bloodborne
2. Dark Souls
3. Sekiro
4. Dark Souls 3
5. Demon’s Souls (PS3)
6. Dark Souls 2
7. Elden Ring
Shadow of the Erdtree is the better package but old hunters saved bloodborne.
Saved?
@@INeedBloodborne2without it bloodborne got such a bad boss roster
@@fazelegobrix8270 it doesn't💀.
Cleric Beast
Gascoigne
Amelia
BSB
Paarl
Shadows of Yharnam
Amygdala
Ebreitas
Logarius
Wet Nurse
Gherman
They're all good or great bosses
@@INeedBloodborne2Only Gascoigne, Logarius and Gherman are good
@@INeedBloodborne2 every boss you named is painfully mediocre except gehrman and logarius
w list
Lowkey bad take on the Ds2 DLC's. I would say Old Iron King is better than ashes of ariandel and artorias of the abyss
No real appreciation for the DS2 DLC level design, which is one of the best parts of them.
Bullshit. Nothing worse than DS2 fanboys. The rest of us have accepted that your game is trash. Do the same and move on.
Oh another Bloodborne glazer
The bloodborne meat riding needs to stop it’s ridiculous😭
Stop glazing old hunters bro💀 SOTE offers soooo much more
It does! But old hunters MAKES bloodborne.
I see what you’re taking. I heard that OH saved Bloodborne as a game since the base game was… meh, two or three good bosses, but that’s it, but ER is already fantastic and great without the DLC. So yeah, BB needed OH to shine, but ER is fine without SOTE.
@@DanielArmandoMontoyaBecerril i wouldn’t say it ‘saved’ it but it elevated the game heavily. I’d say csrry is the word
I agree,SoTe is overall a bramd new game that ubisoft would have called it otherwise a sequel
For 40$ fortunately it offers more 😂
1) The Old Hunters (obviously, it was always unbeatable)
2) Artorias of the Abyss
3) The Ringed City
4) Crown of the Old Iron King
5) Crown of the Sunken King
6) Ashes of Ariandel
7) Shadow of the Erdtree
8) Crown of the Ivory King
Edge lord
Brother really trying to be different huh
@@hemsy797 what's your problem?
What’s wrong with SOTE???
@@questionablezoomer764 Nuthin. Your list is just kinda funny. In a horrible way
1. Ringed City
2. Old Hunters
3. Artorias of the Abyss
4. Shadow of the Erdtree
5. Ashes of Ariandel
Bloodborne is booty cheeks
How i would rank them
(I replayed Dark Souls 3 and its DLC's, which are way worse than i remember)
8: Ashes of Ariandel (3.5/10)
7: The Ringed City (5/10)
6: Shadow of the Erdtree (6.5/10)
5: Sunken King (7.5/10)
4: Ivory King (8/10)
3: Artorias of the abyss (8.5/10)
2: Old Iron King (8.5/10)
1: The Old Hunters (10/10)
never rate again🔥🔥💯
Average dark souls 2 fan (dw I agree with you)
Glad ur a nobody and ur rankings don’t matter 💀
My hate for souls vets grows larger and larger each day
Never cook again