Been saying it for years but there's a lot of idiots who simply don't - or refuse to - understand how toxic CV's are. The spotting is probably the worst of it, but the unfairness of having to fight someone who is himself never at risk of taking damage; also the crossdrops, the uselessness of AA, I could go on. WG now has SO many ships that are good at long range damage and at the same time everyone is spotted all of the time because of CV's, hybrids and subs. So no wonder that most players never even leave spawn anymore. I am having more fun playing high tier operations and asymmetric battles these days. But it gets old pretty quickly.
If a DD turns their AA off they are almost invisible to planes, your keeping your AA switched on does make you much more of a target. When I'm playing a DD I keep my AA off all of the time unless I know I'm spotted. By the time the planes spot me it's too late for them to line up an attack. So the flight has to loop around to have a chance to hit you. If you have turned your AA on once you are spotted, you're doing good damage to them while they do a complete 360 and try to attack form a new angle. The number of planes the enemy carrier lost to you means the second half of the game would have the enemy CV sitting doing nothing, waiting for new planes to resupply. Generally a CV can send a couple of full squadrons of each type before they start having to send out diminished flights. Staying closer to your team mates also helps a lot for AA. If I spot a bunch of ships together, I know my entire flight will be shredded before I launch more than one drop at anybody. And a couple of shredded flights like that means I have no more of that type of plane for most of the rest of the game. I think this game you showed was more a problem with your team, more than the enemy CV.
@@SpikelessEchidna doesn't seem to matter if he shot down a lot of planes or not it's not making a difference in keeping the CV away because its almost impossible for them to be de-planed now.
I remember a time when Cruisers could shoot whole squadrons down… I miss that… but then again that was when Hakuryu could one shot and I don’t miss that
Marceau is a very fast dd so hard to hit with cvs and in this case he has T8 CVs as enemies. Play a BB and try to push alone and you will see what can happen. Same for cruiser or dds who are not so fast like marceau
As a dd main I appreciate getting caps but you also have to spot for your mates on that flank and you sorta skipped out on that part and then moved on entirely from that flank. Those larger ships can't just see enemy as well without a spotter and then are just sitting ducks. I get it that they're sitting back but if they can't really see, what else can they do?
@@RIPPERDD I get it and sometimes it's fun to just do what you want and hope others can manage though this game certainly depends a lot more of the teamwork aspect.
Just started playing this game. Im straight ass but destroyers are the only thing i really enjoy playing. I have tried carriers but they are just boring to play imo and do not really make any sense to me. I saw that they used to be played like an RTS which makes more sense to me. Was that iteration worse? Another thing, why are they not designed to go toe to toe with the other teams carrier. I feel like they should be duking it out against each other with their aircraft. It should be a role that requires a lot of thinking on how to deal with the opposing carriers aircraft and how to keep your own alive. E.g. avoiding AA and enemy fighters and understanding how a certain country's planes stack up against another. It should be a completely different feel, however rn they just play like artillery that I can aim mid flight. When I first tried it I thought it would play similar to Battlefield 4's Commander feature just focused on multitasking and zerg rushing the enemy CV. When a game mechanic is bad for a game it should change. I enjoy the game but sometimes it is really annoying. Luv ur vids tho!
The RTS CVs were pretty rare to encounter, but hell they were usually very good at playing them. Could kill almost any ship very quickly. If they wanted you dead you were.
I played Harbin this weekend. Defencive AA active, priority sector selected and still "game over" after one bomb drop. I thought detenation were back. I really dislike Carriers.
I think there is also a lack of relevant critical hits on CVs if you think about it any other ship can lose a turret or torpedo tubes, CVs have plane lifts to move stored aircraft onto deck these should be a critical hit to reduce the replenishment of squadrons to balance things out its not a fair model if there are less things that are critical hits on CVs compared to any other ship type !
I think that WG has zero interest in changing CV mechanics and gameplay until it affects their bottom line. They only react to financial pain unfortunately. I share your opinions about both CVs and subs, both need to be throttled way back
Randoms over last weekend (EU server) was a pure disappointment... No matter what you achieve as a DD your team seems always to loose. Why did the other team win - what was the difference? Well better positioning of BBs and their cruisers pushed towards the center over time WITH support for their DDs... Not the game is broken... My team was ... and oncecI took a torp hit out of nowhere - my bad tbh. But it was half of the team gone when I got hit. So what does this say?
yep i think the game needs a better communication system but the minimap and voice commands is all we have to coordinate so many players on different sides of the map, i guess divs are better
not to mention aircraft carriers only had around 79 aircraft and they have unlimited planes. The old mechanics limited carriers' planes to realistic numbers, and you can destroy planes in bombing runs also you used to be able to control fighter groups as well this was before 2019 though. I used to love playing ranked but now all you do is vs carrier's and 5 other ships, like its 6v6 and there is no need for a carrier in a 6v6 like come on we do not need a carrier in ranked because its not based on skill its based on how good your carrier is. Not to mention that you loose a star if your team mates do not assist or even try. You just sit in one ranked spot for the whole season.
I’ve had games where I burned through them all in one go. As a DD main I’ve had games where I had more XP than even the top enemy player and still lose. Frustrating. Even Flamu has been posting vids with titles like, “Surely 300k means we will win, right?”
This game meant to have some historical basis, and in WWII cv's made battle ships and gun cruisers etc obsolete. WG has pretty much done the same thing...stupid.
Yeah CVs make the game unplayable so I left the game for the second time for the same reason. Left back when they refused to address CVs. Came back for a bit out of nostalgia and got annoyed with CVs again right away.
You seem toxic, maybe this game isnt for you? why are you not helping your team? you are going lone wolf, and you near dead alot of times, this isnt okay to have such a bad team member, you die, the whole team will perish, so why are you going lone wolf? And you not nice to your team mates, you dont say anything, you just trash talk them.. I Hoped WG will do something about this toxic forum you guys createt.
And "oh by the way, we're also a torpedo boat" made my day... luv your vids
haha
Really enjoyed the commentary, keep up the good work!
Thank you!
Been saying it for years but there's a lot of idiots who simply don't - or refuse to - understand how toxic CV's are. The spotting is probably the worst of it, but the unfairness of having to fight someone who is himself never at risk of taking damage; also the crossdrops, the uselessness of AA, I could go on.
WG now has SO many ships that are good at long range damage and at the same time everyone is spotted all of the time because of CV's, hybrids and subs. So no wonder that most players never even leave spawn anymore.
I am having more fun playing high tier operations and asymmetric battles these days. But it gets old pretty quickly.
you right, after the subs and CV and now the hybrid ships, its not fun to play BB or cruiser..
Its more like a mining field
yep i agree, play it like you like it
If a DD turns their AA off they are almost invisible to planes, your keeping your AA switched on does make you much more of a target.
When I'm playing a DD I keep my AA off all of the time unless I know I'm spotted. By the time the planes spot me it's too late for them to line up an attack. So the flight has to loop around to have a chance to hit you. If you have turned your AA on once you are spotted, you're doing good damage to them while they do a complete 360 and try to attack form a new angle.
The number of planes the enemy carrier lost to you means the second half of the game would have the enemy CV sitting doing nothing, waiting for new planes to resupply. Generally a CV can send a couple of full squadrons of each type before they start having to send out diminished flights.
Staying closer to your team mates also helps a lot for AA.
If I spot a bunch of ships together, I know my entire flight will be shredded before I launch more than one drop at anybody. And a couple of shredded flights like that means I have no more of that type of plane for most of the rest of the game.
I think this game you showed was more a problem with your team, more than the enemy CV.
yep i know, traditional thinking to stay hidden from the CV but I wanted to keep it on to make a video haha Thank you!
@@RIPPERDD I understand. And for a tiny little DD, you shot down a LOT of planes!
@@SpikelessEchidna doesn't seem to matter if he shot down a lot of planes or not it's not making a difference in keeping the CV away because its almost impossible for them to be de-planed now.
I remember a time when Cruisers could shoot whole squadrons down… I miss that… but then again that was when Hakuryu could one shot and I don’t miss that
IKR! Thank you!
The new CVs have cooldown squadrons so you can never deplane them 😢
i know it's cray right?lol
Marceau is a very fast dd so hard to hit with cvs and in this case he has T8 CVs as enemies.
Play a BB and try to push alone and you will see what can happen.
Same for cruiser or dds who are not so fast like marceau
Thank you!
As a dd main I appreciate getting caps but you also have to spot for your mates on that flank and you sorta skipped out on that part and then moved on entirely from that flank. Those larger ships can't just see enemy as well without a spotter and then are just sitting ducks. I get it that they're sitting back but if they can't really see, what else can they do?
You’re right, I could have been more helpful in terms of spotting for my team! I was so focused on the CVs!
@@RIPPERDD I get it and sometimes it's fun to just do what you want and hope others can manage though this game certainly depends a lot more of the teamwork aspect.
Constructive RANT.
I'm trying not to but it's hard to avoid haha, i'll get better
@@RIPPERDD lol
yes Marceau is so busted that it has to be focused by CV or its a gg
haha so true!
Just started playing this game. Im straight ass but destroyers are the only thing i really enjoy playing. I have tried carriers but they are just boring to play imo and do not really make any sense to me. I saw that they used to be played like an RTS which makes more sense to me. Was that iteration worse? Another thing, why are they not designed to go toe to toe with the other teams carrier. I feel like they should be duking it out against each other with their aircraft. It should be a role that requires a lot of thinking on how to deal with the opposing carriers aircraft and how to keep your own alive. E.g. avoiding AA and enemy fighters and understanding how a certain country's planes stack up against another. It should be a completely different feel, however rn they just play like artillery that I can aim mid flight. When I first tried it I thought it would play similar to Battlefield 4's Commander feature just focused on multitasking and zerg rushing the enemy CV. When a game mechanic is bad for a game it should change. I enjoy the game but sometimes it is really annoying. Luv ur vids tho!
The RTS CVs were pretty rare to encounter, but hell they were usually very good at playing them. Could kill almost any ship very quickly. If they wanted you dead you were.
How did you sneack the link in your comment to the game mechanic?
Thank you!
I played Harbin this weekend. Defencive AA active, priority sector selected and still "game over" after one bomb drop.
I thought detenation were back. I really dislike Carriers.
me too, carriers are bad haha
I think there is also a lack of relevant critical hits on CVs
if you think about it any other ship can lose a turret or torpedo tubes, CVs have plane lifts to move stored aircraft onto deck these should be a critical hit to reduce the replenishment of squadrons to balance things out
its not a fair model if there are less things that are critical hits on CVs compared to any other ship type !
Thank you!
I think that WG has zero interest in changing CV mechanics and gameplay until it affects their bottom line. They only react to financial pain unfortunately. I share your opinions about both CVs and subs, both need to be throttled way back
yep Thank you!
Randoms has fallen off a cliff fast. Blowouts, terrible mm (bots everywhere), disgusting game balance, no new maps.
there is no bots in 6 or above...
Thank you!
Randoms over last weekend (EU server) was a pure disappointment...
No matter what you achieve as a DD your team seems always to loose.
Why did the other team win - what was the difference?
Well better positioning of BBs and their cruisers pushed towards the center over time WITH support for their DDs...
Not the game is broken... My team was ... and oncecI took a torp hit out of nowhere - my bad tbh.
But it was half of the team gone when I got hit. So what does this say?
lack of team work and communication
yep i think the game needs a better communication system but the minimap and voice commands is all we have to coordinate so many players on different sides of the map, i guess divs are better
not to mention aircraft carriers only had around 79 aircraft and they have unlimited planes. The old mechanics limited carriers' planes to realistic numbers, and you can destroy planes in bombing runs also you used to be able to control fighter groups as well this was before 2019 though. I used to love playing ranked but now all you do is vs carrier's and 5 other ships, like its 6v6 and there is no need for a carrier in a 6v6 like come on we do not need a carrier in ranked because its not based on skill its based on how good your carrier is. Not to mention that you loose a star if your team mates do not assist or even try. You just sit in one ranked spot for the whole season.
yep i agree Thank you!
Why won't WG listen?
As long as new players are pouring in, why would they?
they want to make money
I always give any CV or SS player a "poor sport" downvote,
When I run out of down votes I stop playing until they reset.
then you also an ass, because of people like you that system is useless..
Grow up
haha
I’ve had games where I burned through them all in one go. As a DD main I’ve had games where I had more XP than even the top enemy player and still lose. Frustrating. Even Flamu has been posting vids with titles like, “Surely 300k means we will win, right?”
This game meant to have some historical basis, and in WWII cv's made battle ships and gun cruisers etc obsolete. WG has pretty much done the same thing...stupid.
yep the game is broken
Yeah CVs make the game unplayable so I left the game for the second time for the same reason. Left back when they refused to address CVs. Came back for a bit out of nostalgia and got annoyed with CVs again right away.
yep so sorry
You seem toxic, maybe this game isnt for you?
why are you not helping your team? you are going lone wolf, and you near dead alot of times, this isnt okay to have such a bad team member, you die, the whole team will perish, so why are you going lone wolf?
And you not nice to your team mates, you dont say anything, you just trash talk them..
I Hoped WG will do something about this toxic forum you guys createt.
and in other videos you trash talk your team mates, they dont do anything and you do everything... Thats not okay, your gameplay isnt good
thanks for pointing that out, i'll work on it and try to become a better team and player, thanks for watching!