Yeah, i genuinely don't understand why WB seemed to push through more movies about side characters rather than focusing on their most popular characters.
The DCEU was so innovative that instead of mid or post credit scenes, they invented the mid movie scene with Flash telling you to buy tickets to a movie that was meant to be out in 3 years but it never happened
@@Fantagonistic it took me years to realize but that was the big screen debut of The Flash Superman and Batman had these massive movies as their debuts (if you don't count the serials of the 40s and 50s), Spider-man, Iron Man, the X-men. So many great characters started with a bang, and Flash was, well technically a flash yeah, but for his first appearance on a movie screen? No, that's it, there's no going back, his silver screen debut is less than a cameo, and his movie debut is a multiverse fest
@ They really did the character dirty. Now he’s gonna be thought of as a side character to a lotta people and a new movie will be harder sell going forwards
When I first saw the Shazam trailer, I decided to do research on the character's history. When I came across Mr Mind, I instantly fell in love. He's the perfect blend of silly and horrifying, and I really liked his portrayal in the Brave and the Bold cartoon. When watching Shazam for the first time, I had no clue Mr Mind would appear. And everything from the slimy look to the static voice was perfect. I was pumped for Shazam 2, pitting a powerful yet lighthearted character like Billy against a foe that's weak, but vile and intelligent would be amazing. And when it finally came out....not only was it a train wreck, not only was Mr Mind not the main villain, but they completely reduced his character to an "Erm, that just happened," joke. F*ck Shazam 2 and f*ck yellow skittles.
To be fair about blue beetle James Gunn has said they are gonna make a booster gold project and a show about Blue beetle taking place in the new DCU So I mean technically will lead to something eventually
None of these could top the worst post-credit scene in a superhero movie ever made. That one from the Russian movie "Guardians" where they tease a villain that doesn't even exist.
I'd still like a Shazam 3. I actually liked the second movie, it didn't make sense to me to go to Mr. Mind just yet, and I feel like they would have actually delivered on Mr. Mind in the third as a way to close the trilogy. Since the Shazam movies were already so separated from the rest of the DCEU for the most part, just movies that take place in a DC universe, they could just make a third one anyway and it not conflict with the current DCU. The biggest thing getting in the way is time because these are movies that focus on the gimmick of children who become adults with super powers, and once they're adults, I mean, I suppose it still works because now they have super powers and look like what their peak physiques could be, but it's just not the same. It's a thing that works well in comics and animation because the kids never have to age, but since we're dealing with the real world, and if Shazam 3 is to happen, it's gotta start gearing up for post-production now, which can't happen without pre-production and production to then post-produce. We had two years stolen from us because of the pandemic and there doesn't seem to be plans in the near future, so sadly, the Shazam film franchise is dead. It also doesn't help that The Rock can't allow himself to just be the villain and take some hits without that somehow gassing him up and come back even stronger. While I liked the sequel we got, it would have been cool to see the Shazam Family go up against him in the second movie, but then see that he's only doing what he feels is best for the people of Kahndaq, and then in the third movie, they ask for his help to defeat Mr. Mind because what he's got going is so big, the world will be destroyed, which obviously puts Black Adam's people at risk. We had a glimpse at greatness, but too many things got in the way.
@@MCLegoboy It woulda been nice if Black Adam had been the villain in the first movie THEN we got a Black Adam spin-off. I think all parties would have benefited.
I will never understand why David S Sandberg would tease Mr.Mind in his post credit scene but then not follow up on it and instead create original villains that really didn’t have an effect on Shazam’s arc. And it was a slap in the face that they teased it againnnnn knowing there was a reboot coming
I wish they never hired Zack Snyder. Even if they didn't have a plan, at least it would've easier to actually build it up without Snyder's tone and style.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Snyder had a very specific vision of how these characters would be that the other directors didn’t seem to agree with. I’d love to have seen how James Wan had done Aquaman if he got to cast it from scratch.
@ii-mp1sp 😂 no, it's not. Took me 2 sittings to finish that movie because it was so boring. The best version of that movie is a combination of the Whedon cut and the Snyder cut. And with Wonder Woman, I agree the movie was good, but they essentially dug themselves into a hole by having it take place in the past, and having her not be active until the present. Makes no sense. Should've just make it take place in the present.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp I watched Justice League 2021 in one go and didn't get bored. But Wonder Woman, well, in some comics she really had adventures since the world wars, and maybe Captain America didn't give them any peace.
At this point I’m tired of having a post credit scene where they just make fun of you for sitting around and waiting to see what the post credit scene is. Like they intentionally set up this precedent of “hey if you guys stick around, you can see cool cameos and hints of what’s to come next on our timeline of movies or just see a fun light hearted moment between the characters you love so much” and then it’s as if they just start turning on you and laughing at you like “oh what? Oh you actually stayed here to watch this crap? Pfft ok loser, go home 🖕🖕🖕”
The strange thing is all these heroes are well known and have some fantastic story lines. Withall that already out there It should be easy or supper simple to give the fans what they want. THERE HEROES DOING HEROES THINGS !
A wonder woman movie followed by a wonder woman sequel that used 0 of the momentum of the previous film, THREE shazam movies (yes Black Adam counts), a flash movie that was forced to be an incredibly ill-timed multiverse extravaganza, 2 aquaman movies, THREE movies about the suicide squad (yes Birds of Prey counts). And zero batman movies. 1.5 superman movies (if you could say BVS counts). Just incredible lack of faith in their heavy hitters. Or maybe they thought that spacing out the bigger character movies would provide hype.
I'm mad that they didn't do a Teen Titans project because it's like tied with the Avengers for my favorite superhero team (yes based on my nostalgia for the original cartoon) but like when I saw Slade Wilson I was REALLY hoping for a Batman movie with Dick Grayson Robin and have a Teen Titans movie with that lineup from the original cartoon with Deathstroke as the main villain even though I assumed that they were gonna use Cyborg as a founding member of the Justice League and I don't know how many people see Slade as a foil for Dick Grayson (or Damian Wayne if we get a Teen Titans movie or TV show in the DCU) as someone he tries to corrupt rather than Batman who has better villains who are better foils so Deathstroke setting up a Teen Titans movie was too much to ask for
Technically is not the full story. DC had multiple attempts at creating cinematic universe. First it was that scrapped justice league project that was canceled due to writing strike. Then it was the Green Lantern saga but that blew up in their face. Then it was man of seal and the mess that followed afterwards.
@@_MECHA_ I watch Superman to see a character powerful and smart enough to not solve problems in the way the rest of the world does. A Superman who can’t find a better way than straight up brutal execution is like watching a Superman who can’t fly. Just my opinion
Superman (generally) never kills. It's one of the core principles of his character. It's his way of showing that even though he's basically a god, he wants humanity's trust, he wants people to know he's capable of showing restraint. By killing the first ever threat he is faced with, it tells the world that, to this mysterious godlike man, killing is very much an option when something goes against him. And considering his motives were still pretty unknown to most of humanity (and especially the authorities), that doesn't make Superman seem very trustworthy. To fix that bit of the story, he could've just, y'know, taken Zod to an isolated area or to space, virtually anywhere else without easy access to defenseless humans for Zod to use as a dilemma for Supes, then beaten him until he couldn't fight back
@bluekozmox I think you're missing the whole point. A massive part of story writing and character development is a characters morals or worldview or whatever getting challenged. Superman doesn't kill, he thinks all life is precious, that is his worldview. Zod, after his original plan fails, decides he is just going to kill as many people as he can. Superman is the only thing that can stop him, no prisons can hold him, if take him somewhere and beat him up he'll just get up and start killing again when he can, there is no easy cop out that'll stop zod without Superman killing him. It's not like the decision is made lightly, iirc Superman has to choose between letting a family get lazered or killing zod, obviously he's going to kill zod but it still clearly has an effect on him. Also humanity doesn't exactly trust him in BvS, although it probably should've been linked more to killing zod than the random terrorist thing at the start of the film, Batman's motivation especially should've been superman killing zod, but they decided to make Batman a killer himself and it was all quite messed up. Some smaller changes could've connected the 2 films much more and given much better motivations for everyone involved, but it's too late for that now. Still though, superman killing zod in man of steel was a perfectly good direction for the story to go in, it just wasn't followed up on well in the next film. If there was some cop out at the end and superman just beat up zod and that alone saved the day, it would be a pretty bad ending. That would be like iron man seeing the tapes of the winter soldier killing his parents towards the end of civil war and then just calmly accepting his apology, because they are too scared to commit to actual lasting consequences or moral depth.
@ I understand the reasoning and I’m not against Clark having killed and regretted it at some point. Smallville had an episode where he was inadvertently responsible for a villain’s death and the guilt made him vow to never kill again. I just think of the writers wanted to put him in a no win scenario where he felt forced that they should have come up with something else. I believe any true Superman could have come up with many other options in this specific scenario. If Superman is meant to embody hope I believe this was a bad foot to introduce the character to audiences. If Superman is fallible, the world is doomed, which seems to be something Snyder was headed towards in his original plans.
@@Battyj if they really wanted to, they could have come up with something. I dunno, introduce the Phantom Zone, have him beat Zod and send that as a message to those still loyal to him, do literally anything else that doesn't result in Superman killing him. If anything him killing Zod feels like the cop out, like they couldn't come up with a smarter solution. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying protagonists shouldn't kill or want to do so, I'm just saying in this case it just doesn't fit
The DCEU in general was a mess and it's best to forget about it. DC is doing better now with The Batman Saga. Also they might be cooking with the DCU. I think James Gunn gets too much hate he makes fantastic superhero films. Bro literally carried the MCU after Endgame let the man cook.
@@Fantagonistic Oh absolutely I have no doubt the DCU will last a long time. I just hope he does it justice. I want DC to be on the same level as Marvel not stuck in their shadow.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp It's more enjoyable than the current MCU that's for sure. How many more nostalgia cameos do we need? That's literally all Marvel has left. The Batman Saga is actually interesting. Matt Reeves is cooking.
Its not Donna Justice, it's Dawn Of Justice (3 words). The film is titled Batman Vs Superman: Dawn of Justice, the titled alone is telling you that it's a beginning of the Justice League. Those files are not post credit scenes, they are exactly what they suppose to be, files of other metahumans. There's no post credit scene in this film. You can't possibly be a true DC fan making g comments like that. Also, if you going to do video with BvS, at least use the Ultimate Cut instead of the theater version, it makes it that much better. A true DC fan knows that the studio screwed the DCEU up. Those films were making money right up until after the first Aquaman film. Everything else was trash 🗑
What was the best DCEU Post-Credit scene in your opinion? What was the worst?
It's like going through a dumpster and rating each trash. At the end of the day they're all trash
@ Hey, sometimes you find a pair of socks in there you can still use!
Yeah, i genuinely don't understand why WB seemed to push through more movies about side characters rather than focusing on their most popular characters.
They forgot about Marvel doing it because they lost the movie rights of all their big characters and not by choice.
@JoeyXXI and also Marvel had an actual plan when implementing all these characters.
The DCEU was so innovative that instead of mid or post credit scenes, they invented the mid movie scene with Flash telling you to buy tickets to a movie that was meant to be out in 3 years but it never happened
@@JustKrin Might as well just look at the camera and give us a qr code to pre-order tickets now!
@@Fantagonistic it took me years to realize but that was the big screen debut of The Flash
Superman and Batman had these massive movies as their debuts (if you don't count the serials of the 40s and 50s), Spider-man, Iron Man, the X-men. So many great characters started with a bang, and Flash was, well technically a flash yeah, but for his first appearance on a movie screen? No, that's it, there's no going back, his silver screen debut is less than a cameo, and his movie debut is a multiverse fest
@ They really did the character dirty. Now he’s gonna be thought of as a side character to a lotta people and a new movie will be harder sell going forwards
When I first saw the Shazam trailer, I decided to do research on the character's history. When I came across Mr Mind, I instantly fell in love. He's the perfect blend of silly and horrifying, and I really liked his portrayal in the Brave and the Bold cartoon. When watching Shazam for the first time, I had no clue Mr Mind would appear. And everything from the slimy look to the static voice was perfect. I was pumped for Shazam 2, pitting a powerful yet lighthearted character like Billy against a foe that's weak, but vile and intelligent would be amazing. And when it finally came out....not only was it a train wreck, not only was Mr Mind not the main villain, but they completely reduced his character to an "Erm, that just happened," joke. F*ck Shazam 2 and f*ck yellow skittles.
@@bradworstyt7001 The fact that they did such a good job on their portrayal of Mr. Mind just makes it worse!
@Fantagonistic David F. Sandberg's voice, along with the vocal effect, gave me chills the first time I heard it.
@ So perfect! 😭😭 Why!? Why!!?
OK, the teasing of 5 different post credit video ending teasing and rambling was funny.
@@thelunaist2014 Oh, they’re ALL coming! Make sure to get as hyped up as physically possible!
To be fair about blue beetle
James Gunn has said they are gonna make a booster gold project and a show about Blue beetle taking place in the new DCU
So I mean technically will lead to something eventually
@@speedflashanimations221 I’m curious what pieces like that they’ll salvage into the new version
Very underrated channel. keep up the good content.
@@jaybee27D Thanks a lot! I will!
None of these could top the worst post-credit scene in a superhero movie ever made. That one from the Russian movie "Guardians" where they tease a villain that doesn't even exist.
"Even dumb ones like Pizza Poppa." Alright, buddy, you're out
@@skrrskrr I’m sorry…
I'd still like a Shazam 3.
I actually liked the second movie, it didn't make sense to me to go to Mr. Mind just yet, and I feel like they would have actually delivered on Mr. Mind in the third as a way to close the trilogy. Since the Shazam movies were already so separated from the rest of the DCEU for the most part, just movies that take place in a DC universe, they could just make a third one anyway and it not conflict with the current DCU.
The biggest thing getting in the way is time because these are movies that focus on the gimmick of children who become adults with super powers, and once they're adults, I mean, I suppose it still works because now they have super powers and look like what their peak physiques could be, but it's just not the same. It's a thing that works well in comics and animation because the kids never have to age, but since we're dealing with the real world, and if Shazam 3 is to happen, it's gotta start gearing up for post-production now, which can't happen without pre-production and production to then post-produce. We had two years stolen from us because of the pandemic and there doesn't seem to be plans in the near future, so sadly, the Shazam film franchise is dead.
It also doesn't help that The Rock can't allow himself to just be the villain and take some hits without that somehow gassing him up and come back even stronger. While I liked the sequel we got, it would have been cool to see the Shazam Family go up against him in the second movie, but then see that he's only doing what he feels is best for the people of Kahndaq, and then in the third movie, they ask for his help to defeat Mr. Mind because what he's got going is so big, the world will be destroyed, which obviously puts Black Adam's people at risk.
We had a glimpse at greatness, but too many things got in the way.
@@MCLegoboy It woulda been nice if Black Adam had been the villain in the first movie THEN we got a Black Adam spin-off. I think all parties would have benefited.
Hollywood needs to stop with sequel baiting
They're no longer worth it
I will never understand why David S Sandberg would tease Mr.Mind in his post credit scene but then not follow up on it and instead create original villains that really didn’t have an effect on Shazam’s arc. And it was a slap in the face that they teased it againnnnn knowing there was a reboot coming
@@azl0420 I almost wonder if there was meddling behind the scenes, cause that whole movie feels so random.
I wish they never hired Zack Snyder. Even if they didn't have a plan, at least it would've easier to actually build it up without Snyder's tone and style.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Snyder had a very specific vision of how these characters would be that the other directors didn’t seem to agree with. I’d love to have seen how James Wan had done Aquaman if he got to cast it from scratch.
Snyder's Justice League is the best comic book movie since The Avengers, and it made the first Wonder Woman perfect.
@ii-mp1sp 😂 no, it's not. Took me 2 sittings to finish that movie because it was so boring. The best version of that movie is a combination of the Whedon cut and the Snyder cut. And with Wonder Woman, I agree the movie was good, but they essentially dug themselves into a hole by having it take place in the past, and having her not be active until the present. Makes no sense. Should've just make it take place in the present.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp I watched Justice League 2021 in one go and didn't get bored.
But Wonder Woman, well, in some comics she really had adventures since the world wars, and maybe Captain America didn't give them any peace.
At this point I’m tired of having a post credit scene where they just make fun of you for sitting around and waiting to see what the post credit scene is. Like they intentionally set up this precedent of “hey if you guys stick around, you can see cool cameos and hints of what’s to come next on our timeline of movies or just see a fun light hearted moment between the characters you love so much” and then it’s as if they just start turning on you and laughing at you like “oh what? Oh you actually stayed here to watch this crap? Pfft ok loser, go home 🖕🖕🖕”
@@Shuffles_Art They think it’s still funny, but it’s just gotten tedious.
It seems as tho DC has a curse put on them when it comes to terms with post credits.
Goat dropped anotha nuke on us but lets switch it up and get an invincible vid next 🔥🔥
Good video
@@PauTheDeo Thank you!
The strange thing is all these heroes are well known and have some fantastic story lines.
Withall that already out there It should be easy or supper simple to give the fans what they want.
THERE HEROES DOING HEROES THINGS !
4:20 You'll never guess what happened in the Arkham universe.
A wonder woman movie followed by a wonder woman sequel that used 0 of the momentum of the previous film, THREE shazam movies (yes Black Adam counts), a flash movie that was forced to be an incredibly ill-timed multiverse extravaganza, 2 aquaman movies, THREE movies about the suicide squad (yes Birds of Prey counts).
And zero batman movies. 1.5 superman movies (if you could say BVS counts).
Just incredible lack of faith in their heavy hitters. Or maybe they thought that spacing out the bigger character movies would provide hype.
5:28 it’s actually been 4 years
@@Legoartboy Four years and Five Months, but you are 100% correct! 😳
@@Fantagonistic yeah I get where your coming from
4:25 did you just call him El Muerto? As in the Sony spiderman villain that was set to have a movie? Lol
@@Ralph_ralphster D’oh! I just made a video about Sony just before this one! Guess I got my wires crossed! 😂
I'm mad that they didn't do a Teen Titans project because it's like tied with the Avengers for my favorite superhero team (yes based on my nostalgia for the original cartoon) but like when I saw Slade Wilson I was REALLY hoping for a Batman movie with Dick Grayson Robin and have a Teen Titans movie with that lineup from the original cartoon with Deathstroke as the main villain even though I assumed that they were gonna use Cyborg as a founding member of the Justice League and I don't know how many people see Slade as a foil for Dick Grayson (or Damian Wayne if we get a Teen Titans movie or TV show in the DCU) as someone he tries to corrupt rather than Batman who has better villains who are better foils so Deathstroke setting up a Teen Titans movie was too much to ask for
Technically is not the full story. DC had multiple attempts at creating cinematic universe. First it was that scrapped justice league project that was canceled due to writing strike. Then it was the Green Lantern saga but that blew up in their face. Then it was man of seal and the mess that followed afterwards.
I think the Ben aflic version of batman was a really good batman a bit less more violence for a hero that doesn't kill . But he nailed it.
0:11 how is that a fumble?
@@_MECHA_ I watch Superman to see a character powerful and smart enough to not solve problems in the way the rest of the world does. A Superman who can’t find a better way than straight up brutal execution is like watching a Superman who can’t fly. Just my opinion
Superman (generally) never kills. It's one of the core principles of his character. It's his way of showing that even though he's basically a god, he wants humanity's trust, he wants people to know he's capable of showing restraint. By killing the first ever threat he is faced with, it tells the world that, to this mysterious godlike man, killing is very much an option when something goes against him. And considering his motives were still pretty unknown to most of humanity (and especially the authorities), that doesn't make Superman seem very trustworthy. To fix that bit of the story, he could've just, y'know, taken Zod to an isolated area or to space, virtually anywhere else without easy access to defenseless humans for Zod to use as a dilemma for Supes, then beaten him until he couldn't fight back
@bluekozmox I think you're missing the whole point. A massive part of story writing and character development is a characters morals or worldview or whatever getting challenged. Superman doesn't kill, he thinks all life is precious, that is his worldview. Zod, after his original plan fails, decides he is just going to kill as many people as he can. Superman is the only thing that can stop him, no prisons can hold him, if take him somewhere and beat him up he'll just get up and start killing again when he can, there is no easy cop out that'll stop zod without Superman killing him. It's not like the decision is made lightly, iirc Superman has to choose between letting a family get lazered or killing zod, obviously he's going to kill zod but it still clearly has an effect on him. Also humanity doesn't exactly trust him in BvS, although it probably should've been linked more to killing zod than the random terrorist thing at the start of the film, Batman's motivation especially should've been superman killing zod, but they decided to make Batman a killer himself and it was all quite messed up. Some smaller changes could've connected the 2 films much more and given much better motivations for everyone involved, but it's too late for that now. Still though, superman killing zod in man of steel was a perfectly good direction for the story to go in, it just wasn't followed up on well in the next film. If there was some cop out at the end and superman just beat up zod and that alone saved the day, it would be a pretty bad ending. That would be like iron man seeing the tapes of the winter soldier killing his parents towards the end of civil war and then just calmly accepting his apology, because they are too scared to commit to actual lasting consequences or moral depth.
@ I understand the reasoning and I’m not against Clark having killed and regretted it at some point. Smallville had an episode where he was inadvertently responsible for a villain’s death and the guilt made him vow to never kill again. I just think of the writers wanted to put him in a no win scenario where he felt forced that they should have come up with something else. I believe any true Superman could have come up with many other options in this specific scenario. If Superman is meant to embody hope I believe this was a bad foot to introduce the character to audiences. If Superman is fallible, the world is doomed, which seems to be something Snyder was headed towards in his original plans.
@@Battyj if they really wanted to, they could have come up with something. I dunno, introduce the Phantom Zone, have him beat Zod and send that as a message to those still loyal to him, do literally anything else that doesn't result in Superman killing him. If anything him killing Zod feels like the cop out, like they couldn't come up with a smarter solution. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying protagonists shouldn't kill or want to do so, I'm just saying in this case it just doesn't fit
James Gunn is like 6/6 on post credit scenes lol
WB was the biggest villain for DC
I fell for the monsterverse joke lol
The DCEU in general was a mess and it's best to forget about it. DC is doing better now with The Batman Saga. Also they might be cooking with the DCU. I think James Gunn gets too much hate he makes fantastic superhero films. Bro literally carried the MCU after Endgame let the man cook.
@@callmejacob3234 I’m hoping he can build up a DC universe that can last. He’s pretty good at adding in world building elements
@@Fantagonistic Oh absolutely I have no doubt the DCU will last a long time. I just hope he does it justice. I want DC to be on the same level as Marvel not stuck in their shadow.
The Batman movie was so boring. Another grounded/gritty Batman adaptation. It's nothing new.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp It's more enjoyable than the current MCU that's for sure. How many more nostalgia cameos do we need? That's literally all Marvel has left. The Batman Saga is actually interesting. Matt Reeves is cooking.
@@callmejacob3234 It's about the same. Painfully mid, but just without the humor. I'd rather watch something else.
I'm so sick of post credit scenes
"I really like Cavill as Superman;I hated every movie he was in." This sums up my feelings perfectly
Its not Donna Justice, it's Dawn Of Justice (3 words). The film is titled Batman Vs Superman: Dawn of Justice, the titled alone is telling you that it's a beginning of the Justice League. Those files are not post credit scenes, they are exactly what they suppose to be, files of other metahumans. There's no post credit scene in this film. You can't possibly be a true DC fan making g comments like that. Also, if you going to do video with BvS, at least use the Ultimate Cut instead of the theater version, it makes it that much better. A true DC fan knows that the studio screwed the DCEU up. Those films were making money right up until after the first Aquaman film. Everything else was trash 🗑
Henney cavyl is the worst superman
I agree but of course no fault of his own Zack Snyder is a complete idiot
I agree. I actually think he was better in Joss Whedon's Justice League because he was brighter and more hopeful. Snyder made him so boring.
@CosmicCreeper99 Snyder's Justice League is the best comic book movie since The Avengers, and it made the first Wonder Woman perfect.
Let's get a serious HAWKMAN movie not a WOKE DEI version.