2009 BMW 328xi E90 Engine Stalls When Warm (Diagnosis & Repair)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2020
- Follow along as I diagnose this 2009 BMW 328xi.
Customer complains that the engine stalls / shuts off during warm weather and he has to wait 10 - 15 minutes before it will restart.
Thanks for watching!
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This is hands down the BEST video so far on trouble shooting this. It would be cool to see this done with ISTA as most people will have access to that.
I know this video is old, but this is what TH-cam is all about! Well done video.
Thank you for using autel which is the one I’ve got 🙏
Excellent video very well explained now i know what i gotta do to my 2009 328i thanx a million...
Thanks for the info I'm having this same problem
Congratulations for the excellent information, I have a bmw e46 320d 136hp and it also turns off when the ambient temperature is above 28 degrees, but I can't find the fuel pump control module, could you help me ... thank you very much
good job and easy understand thanks
beautiful work!
Thank you sir!
Good job, I have my F30 with exact the same problem. I have no coding tablet, so I wonder what should I do?
Thanks i have the same problem....i got he same machine. thanks again
Great video 👍
great video
Nice troubleshooting
Thank you
Thank you for making this video I got a w with the same problem
I don’t know if I’m gonna be able to program the module since I don’t have a current subscription on my autel but I do on my launch so I’m gonna try it
Give it a shot! Hope it all works out!
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 I will thank u I’ll let you know
Nice video, I have seen some people apply heat sink paste to the back of the module, any thoughts on that?
I haven't thought of that, but it seems like a good idea to help pull some of the heat away from it. As I'm sure you know, heat and vibration kills modules. Give it a try!
how do you remove the seat cushion so you can get to the module?
Excellent video and explanations. Quick question - do you a captures of the power in and out wave forms after the fix? Would be interesting to see if there is any difference to what you showed in the video. Thank you.
I unfortunately do not have any captures. If I come across this type of failure again, I'll be sure to get some!
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 tks I was wondering if the after forms look similar to the before just prior to the module failure. Also, just as a ballpark figure, what does it cost to just code this module?
@@fredjohs typically I charge $150
Good job
I pulled a ekpm2 off 2008 335xi coup and mines is a 2008 335xi sedan ekpm3 . will it work ?
You can test all of these things with one phone app. "Protool". I did everything they did in this except for probing the wire but it wasn't necessary because the app told me the voltage coming to it from it and what it was doing as well it matched the ekpm3 to the vin of the car with the push of a choice. Boom done.
Could this cause a stalling condition at low fuel levels even with a brand new fuel pump?
Hi me 318d 2010 e90 automatic car died when i stayed on the traffic lights but its died when I try to go i push the acceleration pedal and stall and died i chage a battery now its not died but only stall any ideea please the car running fine start oky idle ok only that problem i dont know if its that modulator or not thanks
What if the ground is good but no power going to the ekpm3?
I'm programming one in today on a 2012 F10 today. Finally caught the voltage drop out on a scanner after following the BMW SIB about replacing in-tank fuel pump and updating DME 🙄
Your name sounds familiar? Autohex / CT forums?
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 That's me!
So what happens if I just plug in a new one and start it? Sometimes mine starts. I have a 328i LCI
Hi! How are you? Great video! I got the same problem and I have changed the ekpm and programmed it. But the car still shuts off and kept blowing the No.70 fuse, do you have any suggestions? Thank you!
Hi, could be a short in the red / black wire between the ekpm and fuse box or a faulty terminal 30g relay. I'm not sure where that relay is but I believe it is integrated into the under dash fuse box. Good luck!
At 9:36,...I can hear your washer or dyer, chiming the finished song.....
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How much was the replacement module
Bought the same exact car, had the same exact symptoms that your customer was having, replace the fuel pump control module, still a long crank no start, replace the fuel pump, still a long crank no start, also program the fuel module after install.
Installed two new camshaft sensors, long crank no start, new crankshaft positioning sensor, long crank no start, new battery, long crank no start
I’m lost lol
Full system scan, any codes coming up?
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 none
@@FearfullyUnafraid fuel pressure gauge hooked up at the schrader valve, what reading do you get while cranking the engine?
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 There is no Schrader valve on my 2009 328I X Dr.
@@FearfullyUnafraid well then unfortunately you will need the special tool to check fuel pressure. Have you checked for any data pids which might show fuel pressure with your scanner?
I have a problem with a 2014 BMW 3 series 325i. The problem with this pump is that it discharges my battery while the car is hot
Ok so I can get to all this. Very good vid BTW. I'm currently about to fix this same issue. My concern would be, if the original module fails due to thermal shutdown. What's to stop the new module from eventually doing the same. Preventative measures for that should be taken or u will likely be dealing with this again in the future
My hope is that when buying a brand new ekpm module, bmw has manufactured it to last longer. A new module will likely outlast the rest of the vehicle.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 I have an idea. What's ur email?
What if the new module stalls
I changed my fuel regulator because my old one was leaking. My car was running normal with the leak nothing crazy. After I replaced it I went to a gas station and filled it up half way. The car turned off on my like if I had no fuel pressure. So that happend I took it to a mechanic and got oem replaced part. ( I haven’t filled up the gas take half way yet) but now it would run for like 10 mins and then it would start acting up like misfiring and it would turn off like if it had no fuel pressure. I waiting for a bit and it turned back on like Normal then another like 10 mins the same thing started to happen. Do you think it’s the chip? Or my fuel pump? I don’t have a specific code. Mechanic told me my injectors are the only things bad but I don’t think the injectors would cause my car to do all this. Thank you.
I have not dealt with a similar problem such as you are having. Rather then give you guesses, I suggest getting a proper diagnosis done by a technician that actually knows what they are doing. That will save you time and money in the end.
I am having an issue with my 2009 328i xdrive BMW (e90). It runs for about 7-9 miles, then stalls out. It has a transmission speed sensor code, other than that there is nothing as far as codes. Could the transmission speed sensor cause it to stall? I changed the fuel pump control module and reprogrammed it with INPA, which made no difference. Also installed a new fuel pump and injectors also. After it stalls, it doesn't start back up unless you shut everything off, pull the key out and wait 5-10 minutes. Then it will start very rough and be a challenge to drive back home. It won't run correctly again until it fully cools down.
Do you have access to a bmw specific scanner that can scan every module in the vehicle? If so, please post the specific code numbers and what module they are from.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 hi, hope you don't mind the hijacking. I've got 2 codes: 2A82 and 2F9A. What could the cause and solution be? I've had 3 workshops telling me they would need to strip my entire engine to find the issue, but they're just after money. Hopefully you'll be able to pin point the reason and the fix so that I don't get ripped off by these thugs. 2006 BMW 525i with 325i engine. Thank you
Saw your reply to others regarding Autel Maxisys 908pro, but is there any other more economical diagnostic tool or software I can buy to program the fuel module??
Many thanks!
Hello, you can search Google for the offline version of rheingold ISTA and use that to program in a new module with a k+dcan cable or ICOM interface. That would be your cheapest option.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 Thank you so much! Will let you know how it goes!
My 2011 328ix randomly stalls after a 15-20 min drive and will restart after about a 15 min wait, then runs fine. The next morning I got the code 6292 and 6293 when I scanned. Does this sound like the fuel pump control module? Would you get the code when scanning the car while it's running?
Based on your symptom and codes, I suspect your fuel pump control module is failing when warm (exactly how the module in my video did). To prove the fault, you have to connect a scope and test the wiring as I did in my video. But most like its your module.
Already disconnect battery sensor. Alternator and oil level sensor and it still won't stop working. I want to think that it is the auxiliary water pump that no longer works
Hi. I had this problem same like you show, I replaced fuel pump assembly and fuel pump module and did programming, but customer again complain about the same problem. What do you think could be. Because voltage and everything looks good. I have headache.
You need to connect scope and re-create the problem to find out what is causing it. Maybe the large power wire on the back of the fuse box is starting to fail?
Would you happen to know the code it threw you for that module? I’m having the same issue, but I don’t know if I should replace my fuel pump or that module. Don’t want to do both if not needed.
If you do the necessary testing, you will find out what needs to be replaced. I don't remember what DTC it was throwing in the EKPM, but it was something along the line of "voltage or current malfunction".
How much current 3 wire in
my car literally does the same thing wish you were in NY same car 2009 328i
Hello, after replacing and before relearning the new module, did the car loose compression? My mechanic switched mine and said he relearned it but car will not start and has 60psi compression on all cylinders.
No compression loss on this vehicle. Did your mechanic try squirting a little bit of oil in each cylinder to see if the compression would increase and the car would start?
Replaced my fuel pump 328i 2012, vehicle shut down and vehicle recommended new fuel pump so done so and a bma mechanic said it may be the fuel pump control module
Most likely needs a new fuel pump control module.
Hello! I have a 2007 328i and the car stalls while driving and goes off, the idle of the car its pretty rough and goes off ive tried cleaning the vanos selenoids and i replaced the mass air flow sensor but t wasnt that, i hooked up a scanner and shows 2 codes which are 629A fuel control output stage over temperature and 6299 fuel pump control output stage overtemperature we replaced the battery the failure stopped but after a while the failure is worse now the car doesnt last more than 1 minute idling you think its the fuel pump control module?
100% a faulty fuel pump control module.
Could I use a normal battery charger to keep the car charged while programing the new EKP module? Those chargers for rvs are over 300.
Yes, or run jumper cables from the bmw to another running vehicle nearby.
My 2010 328i xdrive is having the same problem. Only difference is it will only stall while driving. It will run all day long while it's parked. Could this be the same issue? Also why does the temperature outside affect a module that is inside of the vehicle?
Are you able to scan for fault codes? The ekpm module will usually produce a fault code that may confirm a faulty ekpm. The module is usually under the rear bench seat and gets quite warm. The higher the outside temperature, the higher the inside temperature.
Hey Bro. how are you . As soon as he hears a BMW, the yellow light in the form of a steering wheel came on and the steering wheel locked and he no longer wants to start. What can I do to get it started again?
Need to connect a bmw specific scanner and reset the ELV.
Can a launch obd creador 629 program it ? I’m really trying to do this myself as I don’t have much money also would buying this fuel control module at a junk yard? Would it work from one car to the next pls help thanks
A good used ekpm from the same model will work. The Launch scan tool should be able to encode it. Only a brand new module will require software programming. A good used module will only need encoding.
Can I pay you to reprogram mine after I buy a new module
The pump is turned off but reaching its temperature I stop it and the pump no longer stops working.
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But I disconnect the battery while the car is hot and the next day when the battery is connected, the water pump works normally because the pump stops working. Even when cold the car
Wood job
Can you program the fuel module on the 2009 bmw 328i Xdrive with the snap on solus edge? Thx
No, I don't think you can. Autel logs into the bmw servers when programming.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 ok thank you i wanna to ask you does the module has to be new or it can be bought used and it can be programmed
@@visarelezi3383 if it is brand new, then it needs programing. Used module is already programmed and most of the time it is plug and play (sometimes requires coding).
My car I push the buttons to starred but won't start. Like if it was dead battery. But lights are good and everything. I have a bmw 328i 2010
I've got a 550i it was running then I changed the spark plugs and no the motor won't start
I have the exact same car with the exact same problem, where can I buy a module??
You can buy used or brand new from worldpac or dealership
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Where are you located ? Seen like you know a lot of this issues with bmw !!! I’ve been having manny problems with my car ! Is there any number where I could contact you ? Thank you !
Peoria, Arizona. Email me azcarkeysncomputers@gmail.com
i have exactly that problem on a 2009 535i xdrive
Did you get it fixed? I've got the exact same problem. What did you get fixed on it?
Well I think you just solved my problem
How about my friend from PDX Autoworks
I just replaced my fuel control module after my e90 kept randomly shutting off. Replacing it seemed to fix the stalling issue this far however now it doesn't always start on the first try. Now if I go into a store and come back to it 20 minutes later. It won't start until I lock the doors and let the car reset. Any idea what could be the issue now?
Did you put a used ekpm in it? Sometimes the software is wrong and will need to be updated.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 Yes I bought a used refurbished one. So it could use updating? Is there a scanner I can buy to program it myself?
@@AnwaarsTarot the cheapest option is to buy a k+dcan cable and download bmw standard tools along with the e89 sp daten files. You'll need a windows laptop as well. Email me if you need assistance azcarkeysncomputers@gmail.com
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 I'm working on getting all of this. I appreciate your help.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 Also I've never heard of "e89". That still applies to my e90?
I wanted to know, if the pump does not prime, can that module be the culprit?
Yes, absolutely. The module controls the pump at all times.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 ok. I checked voltage to the pump out of the module, and it sends just a bit morw than 12v. I replaced the pump and still no prime and delayed starting, but a bit better. Is the pressure regulator supposed to engage upon recieving voltage? , cause I applied direct battery voltage and nothing happened, and also verified voltage coming out of the connector and thats working.
@@rubenrobles7275 did you measure the fuel pressure to see what its putting out?
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 I did not, when I checked the fuel rail for fuel it didn't shoot anything, so I knew something was definitely wrong. I am getting from the ekpm2 module, and the car starts, but what I do to prime the fuel system is, I press the start and press it to turn off, wait a couple of seconds, a d on the second "push start" ,it turns on no problem. Not sure if it's the regulator , since I also replaced the pump.
So you got power and ground to module but it is hot and that is why it is confirmed bad? I'm confused....what are we looking for in terms of voltage/power in this situation?
Verify power and ground coming to the ekpm module. The ekpm module sends power to the fuel pump. Module overheats and cut power to the fuel pump. In this video I am probing the power going to the fuel pump to prove that the overheating module is dropping the power.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 okay thanks that explains it well. I just missed the part where you lost voltage you were probing the power to the fuel pump module was there a part where you actually tested power leaving the module going to the fuel pump itself?
@@macknumber9 to be honest it's been quite some time since I made this video, but I believe I was probed into the power going to the fuel pump to catch it in the act.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 ohhhh....so you lost power when it happened and prior you had like 14.2 volts or something?
@@macknumber9 yes, that's correct.
Were are u located at??
Bro. I have an e90 and e70 bimmers. Will you move next to my house? It is for sale.
Could this also be a bad fuel pump, using too many amps and overloading the module?
Yes, absolutely. Would need some further measurements to confirm.
its fuel control unit , its common for 535 2009 , it come a history code EKPS , its o dangerous not to be fixed and coded it .
How did you remove that part of the back seat? Also do all Autel products program new fuel pump modules? I want to reprogram a new fuel pump module myself without going to the stealership. Which Autel product is best for a 2013 bmw 328i? Thank you great video!
That part of the backseat snaps off. I'm not completely sure which autel products will offer online programming for bmws but I am a personally using the Maxisys Pro. I believe the Maxisys Pro, Maxisys Elite and maybe Autel Ultra line of scanners (latest released products) all offer bmw online programming.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 got it thanks so much!
do u have to program/update if u already have the ekpm3 module?
Only requires programming if the module is brand new. If it's used, you just simply default code it with any diagnostic scanner and you'll be good to go.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 i have a scanner that reads and registers battery and resets everything for bmws will that default code?
and what im sayin is , if i replaced ekpm3 module with a new same model make ekpm3 module would i have to program with ista?
@Jack here if the ekpm module is brand new, it must be programmed / coded. ISTA can do it yes. What scanner do you have?
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 Autophix 7910
Can you convert epkm2 to epkm3?
Yes, but will need to be coded / programmed.
My car stalls and sometimes gas wont accelerate takes super long to respond but I turn the car of and on again and it works perfectly again anything u know might be
I suspect based on your description you may have an issue with your throttle body. Have you tried scanning for codes? Also, have a look inside the throttle body and see if it is dirty? Maybe a good cleaning will help it out!
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 I already replaced it still the same has no codes ithere idk what can it be
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 it seens to like over head and the fan out out loud but the overhead temperature light dont turn on so idk
@@jorarr5174 have you checked your DME for water intrusion? Corrosion the DME pins can cause all sorts of problems.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 yeah I dont think is the computer cause mostly all the time the car is good just sometimes I have the problem
How do you get a subscription from BMW
Subscription for ISTA or for programming?
Amazing video, do you know where this is in 2005 325i?
RH side of rear luggage compartment
My car does that exact thing my car has a new high pressure pump but it keeps on doing it
Do a full system scan and see if there are any fault codes in the ekpm module.
is that Autel Maxisys IM608?
It is the Autel maxisys 908pro. The IM608 does not perform online programming unfortunately.
PDX Autoworks can you tell us step by step how you hooked up your j box ? when you say subscription , is that with autel ? or bmw ? via internet. this is where i’m having difficulty. are you hooking up either net cable to your laptop, then to the j box ? then to the scanner?
I live in the Portland area I need help 2009 bmw 328i bunch of electrical issues what’s your price please contact me ASAP, gonna be a father to twins and it’s the only car I have
Send me a text, 971-404-1259
Mines doing this now
Very common failure. Most likely you'll need to replace your fuel pump control module just as I did in the video.
Hello, I have a problem with a bmw e60 model 2010. When I walk uphill for about an hour, after stopping and turning off the engine for a few minutes, I can't restart the engine and I have to wait about an hour for the engine to succeed again, please advise me
Do you have the ability to scan every control module for fault codes? If so, check inside the ekpm module for fault codes and post them here.
I have 528i 2008, P0116e Air Mass flow sensor Signal electrical, P0171 Bank 1 system too lean, and Bank 2 system too lean...car runs a while surges stubbles then shuts off wait a while and start it repeats. Gas mileage is horrible also
Hi. The P0171 & P0174 are most likely a direct result of the P116E code. Here is what the BMW service information suggests to check:
Possible Fault Causes
Range violation, defective sensor or signal wire has fallen off.
Repair Procedures
1 . Visual inspection of plug-in contacts (at both MAF and DME ends, check for corrosion and loose pin fitment / damaged pins).
2. Measure sensor wire power supply and ground (possible intermittent contact, you will need a wiring diagram to know which wire is which).
3. Replace MAF sensor if step 1 & step 2 pass.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 thank you ive purchased a new MAF, Most likely a bad connection or wiring! The orange wire which is a hot wire has power
@@1Ray-Ray I would go straight to the DME and unplug the connectors to check for corrosion / damage. If connectors / pins look good then either a damaged wire or faulty DME.
@@azcarkeyscomputersllc3315 ok thank you, ill let you know what i figure out
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I have the same washer! (heard finish melody in the background-starts in at 9:38)
Bonus q. do you know the name of the melody? My wife actually found out and even found it in youtube but alas I forgot and she is no longer here.
Followed you from iATN.