Chezi and Nate, a long overdue conversation.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2023
- Chezi and I have been in communication for a very long time and this conversation is long overdue. I hold Chezi in the absolute highest regard and this conversation felt like it could have lasted almost indefinitely. We had no shortage of things to say to each other. Among the topics we discussed: Jordan Peterson's Biblical series and the differing reactions to it, interfaith dialogue, ecumenicism, TLC, the divine feminine, and navigating complex questions of human sexuality.
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Must watch. Will watch.
I loved the Biblical series! Especially because he he was thinking out loud and willing to make mistakes.
The Silk Road IS mysticism. Well said Chezi.
Wow
Nate truly a pleasure. Much appreciated.
This was so wonderful. Thank you both.
Strangely, the Grand Inquistor story keeps coming to mind while I listen to this conversation.
Bravo 👏
"There's always a better argument" this should be taught in christian apologetics
Might cure us of objectivism. 🎉
1:39:06 “…I’m not gonna give up on you”
Bearing with one another’s weaknesses. Solidarity in our shared weaknesses. Humility.
28:00 and on, so much to say here! Cezi un-spooling how intra-faith dialogue works at its best
I’m not against ecumenism but I truly wonder if this is the right path forward. It seems to me that unity is found in the mystical centre and not in “institutions” ( for lack of a better word). I don’t have any idea how this would work but I think Zevi is really onto something in his project. I really don’t want the particular to collapse into unity but instead allow unity to collapse into the particular. Men with hats are just not going to be able to make that happen. In my humble opinion.
That is ecumenical. Sobornost is the key.
@@grailcountry but it’s not what most people think of when they think of ecumenical, is it?
Ohh I cant believe I get this on my Grail Country rabbit hole!!
Maybe the Grail mission is about having wonderful conversations with wonderful humans where life is never the same
Such a great conversation! Thank you!
1:39:35
I was trying to make a similar point yesterday when talking to Jacob
First! 🙌🙌🙌 so excited for this.
42:17 “who is the right religion?” Is a denial of personalist, embodied (subjective-objective, transjective/transrational) knowing.
This question is rooted in objectivism.
Living a mindful life would also set you apart, and make you a blessing to the rest of the world. ❤️
Chezi!!! Can’t wait to give this a spin!
Intellectual faith doesn't last because there's always a better argument...yep!
55:35 “symmetry of the heart” ❤❤
101:15 Many similarities to my own story here. I had a deconstruction that paralleled Nate's and then 10 years later found a way to return to my faith without the internalized propositional tyranny of my childhood/adolescence years. That was before JBP but the journey i took was very similar
Some of your best Nate
Thank you sir. Chezi makes it easy.
Jordan Peterson hit because he has emotional credibility. It's obvious he freely loves. And he was reaching people that were hurting. He isn't an intellectual phenomenon in my opinion. I don't understand why people doing analysis of Jordan always miss this. He's very *right handed* in Chezi's definition.
41:21 - at least we both agree that there is only one Israel ! That’s a start. As a Catholic who prays the liturgy of the hours, I think this is the right perspective to start with. Also nice that you mention the body! I’m aware that the Torah is compared to a “body” of God of sorts; early Christians called Jesus “Yeshua HaTorah”, the living Torah. As Catholics we believe we are part of the Body of Christ-there’s also a Christian interpretation of Sophia as the New Jerusalem, who’s built by the Logos
1:37:50 “war is the inability to have conflict” - Dylan Moran
26:20 not sure Nate- we are more orthopraxy but I'm personally very turned off by Pragmatism
I am too. Can't say everything in one conversation though.
@@grailcountrythere will be time for many more.
The best way to “convert” someone is to love and serve someone who is trying to “convert” you. 😉
Just to be clear...
I have NEVER said anyone else shouldn't write God.
Sorry, my bad. My only point was that I appreciate your stance on this
1:48:00 Masters seminary is the Shammai school
1:22:30 as Jacob said in the last Just Chatting: judging yourself/remembering your name
Christ consciousness. Christ in me, God all in all.
2 TLC heavyweights 🤠
35:50 how evangelicals view post-Vatican 2 Rome
Does this mean they believe in salvation through intellectual assent to the “right” propositions?
Or they just fear the slippery slope of relativism?
I think it’s because they’re objectivists. Which makes conversionists, imo. Followers of the Exclusivist Religion of the Right Side of History.
52:20 “how crazy would it be if we lived in a world where people would take in criminals and rehabilitate them?”
No kidding. I’ve often thought that this is what people would do in a godly, healthy world.
I have thought of that as well. I think part of what deters people from that is the possibility of a Patch Adams event.
@@pitabread71 What is that? Been a while since I watched that. Funnily enough, my family watched it recently, but I missed that family movie night. :)
@@WhiteStoneName oh man, I don’t wanna spoil it, so read no further if you don’t want that, but essentially Robin Williams character and his gf (or wife can’t remember) take in a mentally unstable man in their home and he kills her while Williams is away. I think we hear stories like this so commonly nowadays with crime documentaries on Netflix and such, it’s made people less trusting. And I can’t imagine how painful it would be to be Williams character and the guilt that could go along with it. At the same time, I want to believe that I should trust God in that situation and even if the worst were to happen (the patch adams event-and it would be 100x worse with kids involved of course), I would want to trust God that my family would be with Him, and we served the Lord to the best of our ability, and we trusted Him, fearing Him more than the world in a way. But oh my goodness easier said than done, and it brings me chills to imagine that kind of pain.
@@pitabread71 wow. Yea, no kidding. Same. Resonance.
58:00 a colonizing (anti)savior