Princess Pearl true. you really have to pull up and be on your leg or things can happen but your partner is there to help you readjust and get back on center.
I like the touch of the ballerinas comforting her, not only because of the double meaning with the swans, but also because Nina was panicking thinking she ruined everything, when everyone was just concerned if she was okay.
The immediate concern from them is also an indication that Nina's descent into delusions/madness started earlier than we were lead to think in the movie: were the other girls in the troupe really mean to her/laughing at her behind her back the whole time like we saw, or was she projecting that onto them out of insecurity? Because of this movie's mind-screwy nature it's hard to say for sure
I like how Nina cries when she goes off stage and the other girls go and ask if she is ok, because I like to imagine that Odette is crying when she is force to leave the prince and the other swans comfort her. Just a thought.
It’s interesting that for most of the film, it’s remarked how ‘perfect’ she is as the white swan and it fuels her obsession to let go as the black swan. So when it comes to the final performance, she makes a mistake as her white swan but her black swan was perfect
Actually no did dancing for years, you only really have to be quiet if your stage has a corridor that runs along the back behind the stage and you walk through there while a performance is still happening, that's where the audience can hear you
Shooting behind the curtain? I have 789 concert theatres of wich as a Gravemaster that I’m exhuming because there is a killer on the loose, I am an investigator with the European Union do you suspect there was something more trajectory going on in your interpretation of this piece? What theatre is this? 150,000 for you if you answers are accurate?
@@Rin-le7cx Some people do actually. I used to be in Theatre and the director was always telling us to bring our sheets or we wouldn't participate that day. So the 3rd day, we were rehearsing to present the Christmas Carol of Scrooge, and a girl who was one of the main characters got absolutely insane when she realized she didn't had the script. She had a glass bottle of juice with her and she started hitting herself in the head with it. Repeating how stupid she was. Until we offered her another set of script a girl had taken copies out of it.
I'm sorry but Nina was right, he messed it up. She may have flinched one tiny bit up there but I must disagree that the drop was her fault, because a good partner never lets a professional ballerina fall, yet alone in this comparatively stable, common position (it's all hard work of course, just saying there are far more tricky ballet lifts). It hints at his lack of focus and the lack of chemistry between the two. And as an experienced choreographer, Thomas knew that only too well, which is why he immediately scolded him behind the curtain and not Nina (the guy goes as far as to say in French that it wasn't his fault, to which Thomas just responds "What do you mean, it wasn't your fault!?"). Sure that guy is only human too, yet he should have apologized to both the choreographer and the female lead right away.
@@zmb3432 my girl literally depends entirely on the guy holding her up for 5 seconds in order for her part to go smoothly. How was it her fault exactly?
Dude, if you're tired and feel like you're about to drop her, for the love of God, communicate it. Just gently put her down. It would be a mistake, sure, but at lest she would not have fallen like a potato sack.
The audience would have immediately started talking/gossiping to each other about the drop and who was to blame. It's possible they wouldn't have heard him. The point may be moot, though, as his voice was echoing in a space designed to absorb sound, suggesting it was a hallucination.
Thomas was the true villain in this movie. He was like the Wicked Rothbart, who turned Odette (Nina) into the swan and Lily was the Black Swan/ Odile in the fragile mindset she was in.
Missy Maria especially in this kind of lift, where the girl really can’t do a lot, it 100% is the guy’s fault. but also it’s just generally kind of a chivalrous policy
I like the juxtaposition of Von Rothbart and the dancer playing him in the production. Rothbart shows up in a few of Nina's dreams/visions as this big threat but as seen here the dancer is one of the first to ask Nina if she's ok.
I love this scene because of the argument happening. It is not Nina's fault if she fell. And here she's arguing with others and defending herself, which she would never had done in the beginning of the movie. She spoke up, even if she wasn't heard. Then, the following scene with Lily, where she sees herself telling her that she'll dance. That she'll replace her on stage. She reacted, and killed Lily/her double, defending her spot, claiming her freedom and independence. This movie really is and will always be one of my favorite ever.
The relevance here may be minimal, and given that it's ballet, I doubt that anyone is mic, but when the prince whispered "what the fuck?" Onstage during the performance, that was SUPER unprofessional!
people keep saying that it’s his fault that she was dropped, but during lifts ballerinas have to be very stiff and organize their weight very well to stay up. She seemed quite frantic during the lift, it could’ve been from the stress from actually being onstage (or yknow, the severe hallucinations she faced prior to the performance) but it seemed she lost her balance and he wasn’t able to hold her.
he could´ve let her down first, if he was loosing his grip, instead of letting her fall like that, just imagine her poor knees, the audience seeing such a clear mistake
I see 'The White Swan' in Nina, but I can never see 'Odette' in her - I never saw Nina put that much character in 'the white swan' so I never got why people were saying that she was perfect 'white swan'. The 'White Swan' is a representation of virginity, vulnerability and melancholy, that I understand and that I admit she brings to the role, but 'Odette' is more than that, Odette isn't a figure, she's a character - she's a woman trapped in the body of a swan, controlled by a man she wants to be free from. She is a queen, someone the rest of the swans rely on, she wants to be free, she wants to be a real woman, not just a representation of purity, she falls in love with a man and wants to be with him as a woman, she makes the choice to drown rather than spend the rest of her life trapped. That's Odette - and that's something I never saw in Nina. It's funny when it really hits you - the difference in the story-telling of 'Swan Lake' between 'Black Swan' and 'Billy Elliot'.
@@korykent5645 yes, but she's more than that. She is the queen of the swans, their freedom depends on hers, but as well as wanting their freedom she wants her own freedom. She has a quiet strength of her own, and what's more, we have to see her fall in love with the prince, and I just still think she's holding herself back from the prince
"I had my editor count shots. There are 139 dance shots in the film. 111 are Natalie Portman untouched. 28 are her dance double Sarah Lane. If you do the math, that's 80% Natalie Portman. What about duration? The shots that feature the double are wide shots and rarely play for longer than one second. There are two complicated longer dance sequences that we used face replacement. Even so, if we were judging by time, over 90% would be Natalie Portman. And to be clear, Natalie did dance on pointe in pointe shoes. If you look at the final shot of the opening prologue, which lasts 85 seconds, and was danced completely by Natalie, she exits the scene on pointe. That is completely her without any digital magic. I am responding to this to put this to rest and to defend my actor. Natalie sweated long and hard to deliver a great physical and emotional performance. And I don't want anyone to think that's not her they are watching. It is." - *Darren Aronofsky, Director of Black Swan*
PronounceGaming If the double hardly danced any portion then why not credit what she did do in the film? No one would have even thought about it if they just put her damn name in the credits as dance double, then go on to give interviews that clarified the double was only used for minimal instances
"I know that some people are getting very defensive about Black Swan and my role in it, but back-stabbing is not my purpose when people ask me about the legitimacy of the dance shots in the movie. I only care to speak the truth. The truth is that no one, not Natalie Portman, or even myself can come anywhere close to the level of a professional ballerina in a year and a half. Period. That doesn't mean that I don't admire Natalie and her acting. She is so talented and can inspire people, as well, with her own art form. She did an amazing job portraying her character in Black Swan. (Though the movie wasn't a completely realistic reflection of ballet or dancers.) My only wish is that Natalie, Darren, and certain others who worked closely on the movie could have grasped the beauty and the heart of true ballet. If they had, they would have advocated for this art more and given the real dancers the credit that they deserve." *- Sarah Lane, Dance Double*
“It was both of their fault” “it was the partner’s fault” Nina literally grabs his hand and pushes it off of her as he falters, at 0:24 - 0:25 (you might need to watch at 0.25x playback speed to see). Maybe she does it subconsciously to confirm to herself that everyone is out to get her and wants to see her fail, maybe she didn’t mean to, or maybe some other reason, but she does it, he wouldn’t have been able to hold her up at that point even if he tried.
When Thomas rushes onto stage the male dancer screams, “C’est de ma faute?!” Which translates to, “It’s not my fault?!” That male dance was literally blaming Thomas tbh we all know it’s the male dancers fault he was so unprofessional!
Interesting how the prince dancer cursing and angry towards Nina while the wizard dancer were the one who immediately asking if she was okay after they went off the stage.
@@aimforlifenow it's supposed to be the opposite. The prince is supposed to be good and catch her when she falls. The wizard is supposed to be the bad guy... I'm sure there's a meaning to this, I just can't think that deep.....
@@hihi615 Maybe Nina getting closer to a less than pristine image? What with her being the white swan and the conflict of trying to withhold the 'dark' alter. Or the dancers behind the curtains being less charming than the characters they are on stage?
@@hihi615 well, you hit the nail on the head. It's funny, I've noticed so many interesting synchronicity segments through out the film (subtle changes lighting, mirrors, different colored clothing, mannerisms, etc) and this scene didn't fall on dead ears either because there was something about it that spoke volumes although I couldn't quite put my finger on it but you did! It is indeed another segment showing Nina's descent into her own world of perfectionism and how she is moving away from the light so to speak. It is very backwards. 100% no Nina's fault either but notice how she is so so so so so focused on the perfectionism of the performance, not checking if her knees are hurt, or getting angry, she's literally close to tears because she is so afraid of losing an ounce of perfectionism. I love little things like this in Darren Aronofsky's films (there are so many of them) Throughout the entirety of this film it's a descent. From white to black. You'll notice the ques of the fading techniques from different frames, it's so unique. And not to mention just stunning choreography. I could talk about this film forever. But you hit the nail on the head
I think that the fall was not a fault indeed but turned her art to realness and thus perfection due to imperfection. I wonder if she’s leaving stage crying because of the fall or because she knows she has to sink into black swan at this exact moment.. Fact is Vincent Cassel speaks both English and French when she walks but she could only understand « f* disaster » which triggers her to sink even more.
Thts just the dance belt hes wearing. Male ballet dancers wear dance belt in the place of underwear so they won't get hurt even if the pointè shoes hit that part accidently!
Everyone seems to think it's the guy's fault, but if you look closely at the shot at 0:24, you can see she purposely pushed away his supporting hand. Perhaps she did this, subconsciously, with the intention of breaking free from her perfect inner white swan and later becoming the black swan.
God i feel old i remember watching this when it first came out when i was a kid i was 10 years old it was scary at times but at the same time i loved it watched it the other day for the first time in ages
@@livelyosaki80nope, that’s what Inception did with Paprika. Not that this movie isn’t strongly inspired by PB, it obviously is, but they don’t own the rights to PB.
For those who blamed the guy, I think you are wrong, at 0:10 you can see that the woman lose focus because she is nervous or whatever which cause her to lose her control of her own weight, which is why the guy cant hold her anymore and dropped her. Well sorry if i am wrong, its just my opinion anyway :/
One night suddenly on the streets I don't know what changed my state(mood) Black swan's paradise Hellfire in my dreams Nights asking why An answer echoed on the lips Your pains for no reason Some are born for this.
Can we just talk about how it actually was his fault for dropping her. This is also another reason why men with huge egos should not be involved in women’s dance planning. They are only concerned about their performance, he’s concerned about whatever one else is concerned about and that is not his dancers.
Anyone that did ballet would know that Nina was partially at fault she losed the composture of her body at mid air because she distracted herself instead of staying focus that made her fall since her partner couldn't grab her as well as the firts time, its like if you grab something heavy and sadenly that thing crack and lose their initial form, all that makes you drop it because the way you initially held it dosent work, sure he shouldn't have said all that, thats bad partnership, but its true it wasnt only his fault, in a work of two both have to be 100%, not one a 90% and the other a 100%.
Yummy Sounds Its hard to hold someone where there's so little room for error in the mere physics of it. It was honestly her fault, you cannot maintain the delicate balance if the ballerina doesn't maintain form, makes her off kilter
Okay but like that is my worst nightmare. I literally break out in a sweat and get anxious when I see someone mess up on stage. Maybe that's because I danced for 9 years (but then quit) and did shows but you'd think that would desensitize me right? Apparently not ;-;
The director himself stated that she did not die. Rather, it was the passing away of a purely innocent identity. The dark and light sides of her are integrated at last.
This is exactly how cutthroat ballet can be, and the challenges I faced as a teenager in ballet are why I have a huge problem with perfectionism as an adult. Maybe it's for some people but not for me.
Actually I find that accurrate that she falls as the White Swan but is so beautiful as the Black Swan: She abandons her old self to become a woman, so she fails as White Swan
In a neat little town they call New York Apprentice to trade I was bound And many an hours sweet happiness Have I spent in that neat little town I took a stroll down broadway Meaning not long for to stay When who should I meet but this pretty fair maid Come a-traipsing along the highway She was both fair and handsome Her neck, it was just like a swan And her hair, it hung over her shoulder Tied up with a black velvet band Her eyes they shone like diamonds I thought her the queen of the land And her hair, it hung over her shoulder Tied up with a black velvet band Of course....not really a matching song, but its funny that I thought of Natalie Portman while listening to the Dubliners.....
I always find it interesting that throughout the whole movie, she is constantly praised as perfect for the white swan. But for the performance her white swan was no longer perfect - only her black swan
To be fair, he dropped her because She pushed his hand away. There was nothing that could prevent the fall. The guy, while struggling, could have been able to hold her for a bit more, maybe slowly put her down, but none of that matters. Because even if he decided to slowly put her down, she Still pushed his hand away, she would have fallen regardless. It all happened too quickly. So it was Nina's fault (Unfortunately caused by her poor mental state at this point).
He dropped her on purpose. If you see the earlier clip, Lily the alternate is flirting with the male dancer so he purposely wants Nina to stuff up or get hurt.
That little mishap actually made things more interesting. We're only human. But could someone who understands French please translate every word Thomas said when he was pissed as hell? Merci!
Prince : “it’s not my fault” Thomas: “what do you mean it’s not your fault?” *something gibberish* Nina: “it wasn’t my fault he dropped me” Thomas: “what an idiot how could I trust her/him” (I’m not sure if it’s him or her because I’m French “lui” can mean both sometimes)
I'm a year late, but he says "comment ça c'est pas de ta faute?" Which means "what do you mean it's not your fault?" And then after that he says "quel con, pourquoi je lui ai fait confiance" which means " dumbass, why did i ever trust him"
The only time the other dancers aren't competitive is when she falls. Imagine taking a dive like that in front of people tha that hate you (as some of them did, of course)
Bts vmin lover I haven’t heard it, but if you want to know more about the ballet that inspired it, look up The Swan Lake on TH-cam, (or if you’re just interested in the Odile (the Black Swan) then just look up Black Swan variations. Hope this helps! ☺️
I love how the other ballerinas came to comfort Nina just like how the swans comforted Odette on the lake.
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bad partnering! its never one person's fault. a good partner never lets his dancer fall, ever.
Princess Pearl so true
My teacher said it can be the girls fault in rehearsals but on stage it's always the man. 👀
He even says the F word on a classical performance lol
Princess Pearl true. you really have to pull up and be on your leg or things can happen but your partner is there to help you readjust and get back on center.
Tisha Bopping I think it’s different when the girl is having a mental breakdown. I feel like that’s a different category.
I like the touch of the ballerinas comforting her, not only because of the double meaning with the swans, but also because Nina was panicking thinking she ruined everything, when everyone was just concerned if she was okay.
The immediate concern from them is also an indication that Nina's descent into delusions/madness started earlier than we were lead to think in the movie: were the other girls in the troupe really mean to her/laughing at her behind her back the whole time like we saw, or was she projecting that onto them out of insecurity? Because of this movie's mind-screwy nature it's hard to say for sure
I like how Nina cries when she goes off stage and the other girls go and ask if she is ok, because I like to imagine that Odette is crying when she is force to leave the prince and the other swans comfort her. Just a thought.
The Dragon of Sprinkles so deep
i think odile and odette is a one person odile is her dark side n odette is her light side!
OMG THE BARBIE MOVIE
Beautiful observation! It's almost like life imitating art with the metaphors of Nina becoming not only Odette, But the black swan as well.
@@melmo7051 Lmao girl the Barbie movie is inspired by the original swan lake
It’s interesting that for most of the film, it’s remarked how ‘perfect’ she is as the white swan and it fuels her obsession to let go as the black swan. So when it comes to the final performance, she makes a mistake as her white swan but her black swan was perfect
i'm pretty sure that the audience would hear when the guy was shouting behind the curtain lmao
no, the curtains are very heavy and block the sound.
Actually no did dancing for years, you only really have to be quiet if your stage has a corridor that runs along the back behind the stage and you walk through there while a performance is still happening, that's where the audience can hear you
I did theater and we would get eaten for talking anywhere on stage, even the doors leading into it.
@@kristenk6898 Your curtain must’ve sucked
Shooting behind the curtain? I have 789 concert theatres of wich as a Gravemaster that I’m exhuming because there is a killer on the loose, I am an investigator with the European Union do you suspect there was something more trajectory going on in your interpretation of this piece? What theatre is this? 150,000 for you if you answers are accurate?
She also is crying from pain, imagine someone drops you like that
She isn’t crying from the pain she is crying for that she thinks she’s gonna get replaced by Lily
She's a ballerina, she's not crying because of pain lol
I can relate to Nina. Some people just go crazy when they did something wrong. I still go crazy sometimes.
@@Rin-le7cx Some people do actually. I used to be in Theatre and the director was always telling us to bring our sheets or we wouldn't participate that day. So the 3rd day, we were rehearsing to present the Christmas Carol of Scrooge, and a girl who was one of the main characters got absolutely insane when she realized she didn't had the script. She had a glass bottle of juice with her and she started hitting herself in the head with it. Repeating how stupid she was. Until we offered her another set of script a girl had taken copies out of it.
Your career can get ruined by a bad fall.
I'm sorry but Nina was right, he messed it up. She may have flinched one tiny bit up there but I must disagree that the drop was her fault, because a good partner never lets a professional ballerina fall, yet alone in this comparatively stable, common position (it's all hard work of course, just saying there are far more tricky ballet lifts). It hints at his lack of focus and the lack of chemistry between the two. And as an experienced choreographer, Thomas knew that only too well, which is why he immediately scolded him behind the curtain and not Nina (the guy goes as far as to say in French that it wasn't his fault, to which Thomas just responds "What do you mean, it wasn't your fault!?"). Sure that guy is only human too, yet he should have apologized to both the choreographer and the female lead right away.
She was at fault. Both of them were.
@@zmb3432 my girl literally depends entirely on the guy holding her up for 5 seconds in order for her part to go smoothly. How was it her fault exactly?
@@MegaBlair007 it is clear to me, that you obviously don’t do ballet.
@@zmb3432 still no explanation lmao
I do ballet, have been doing it for a long time. Tell me how it was her fault?
Dude, if you're tired and feel like you're about to drop her, for the love of God, communicate it. Just gently put her down. It would be a mistake, sure, but at lest she would not have fallen like a potato sack.
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The audience would probably hear him shouting "WOULD SOMEONE TELL ME WTF HAPPENED?!" behind the curtain.
You'd be surprised
@Shreya Rubetha nope u can hear it. theres a reason we arent encouraged to talk backstage
Lol
For this reason maybe he start talking in french.
The audience would have immediately started talking/gossiping to each other about the drop and who was to blame. It's possible they wouldn't have heard him. The point may be moot, though, as his voice was echoing in a space designed to absorb sound, suggesting it was a hallucination.
She lost her innocence and therefore couldn't physically dance the part of the white swan anymore.
Finally ..someone said it
YESS I THOUGHT SO TOOO
Every ballerina's worst fear....
Every performers worst fear
@@Mica_TLol right yeah being dropped during the opening night of your ballet is the worst fear of knife jugglers
@@horsepuncher95 I'm referring to making mistakes.
@@Mica_T Well op was referring to literally this scene soooo.....
@@horsepuncher95 Let's agree to disagree lmao
Uhm...There’s a rule in ballet, and it says “It’s always the guy’s fault”. This shows how unprofessional that male dancer was, just sayin.
Thomas was the true villain in this movie. He was like the Wicked Rothbart, who turned Odette (Nina) into the swan and Lily was the Black Swan/ Odile in the fragile mindset she was in.
I’m not familiar with ballet, why is it always the guys fault? Is is because male dancers carry the female dancers?
Missy Maria especially in this kind of lift, where the girl really can’t do a lot, it 100% is the guy’s fault. but also it’s just generally kind of a chivalrous policy
Missy Maria Cause the guy dropped her so it was his fault
It's a team work effort.The guy did his part.She didn't do her part.
I like the juxtaposition of Von Rothbart and the dancer playing him in the production. Rothbart shows up in a few of Nina's dreams/visions as this big threat but as seen here the dancer is one of the first to ask Nina if she's ok.
Yeah... that's odd 😅
Nina died because she killed that girl who was the "black swan" but she Also killed her self because Nina was Both, the white and black swan
Larissa Malta thanks! I wasn't able to understand you made it clear 😊
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Still don't get it . I mean she kill herself?
Derek McAdam yes
the most amazing thing about this movie is that all of this is in her mind she is fighting an endless battle inside and i know how that feels 😭😭😭
I love this scene because of the argument happening. It is not Nina's fault if she fell. And here she's arguing with others and defending herself, which she would never had done in the beginning of the movie. She spoke up, even if she wasn't heard. Then, the following scene with Lily, where she sees herself telling her that she'll dance. That she'll replace her on stage. She reacted, and killed Lily/her double, defending her spot, claiming her freedom and independence. This movie really is and will always be one of my favorite ever.
The relevance here may be minimal, and given that it's ballet, I doubt that anyone is mic, but when the prince whispered "what the fuck?" Onstage during the performance, that was SUPER unprofessional!
It's almost like it's NOT REAL.
It was a hallucination.
I know....it was his responsability of that fall too, but then again remember Nina had schizophrenia-paranoid delusions.
I've seen professionals come in to dance with us and they talked on stage...
It was realistic, they dance w each other every day and develop familiarity w each other
Padme needs to take a chill pill
han she's joining the dark side
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@Timothy Gagliano I was wondering the same for a while
Bruh...
people keep saying that it’s his fault that she was dropped, but during lifts ballerinas have to be very stiff and organize their weight very well to stay up. She seemed quite frantic during the lift, it could’ve been from the stress from actually being onstage (or yknow, the severe hallucinations she faced prior to the performance) but it seemed she lost her balance and he wasn’t able to hold her.
he could´ve let her down first, if he was loosing his grip, instead of letting her fall like that, just imagine her poor knees, the audience seeing such a clear mistake
She lost balance because her hallucination kicked in again. She saw herself in the corps 0:20.
@@voxtur__7 he quite literally threw her to the ground. It’s plot point. Dancers are trained just as In ice skating to minimize falls.
@@skdewolf7606no he didn’t lmao
I see 'The White Swan' in Nina, but I can never see 'Odette' in her - I never saw Nina put that much character in 'the white swan' so I never got why people were saying that she was perfect 'white swan'. The 'White Swan' is a representation of virginity, vulnerability and melancholy, that I understand and that I admit she brings to the role, but 'Odette' is more than that, Odette isn't a figure, she's a character - she's a woman trapped in the body of a swan, controlled by a man she wants to be free from. She is a queen, someone the rest of the swans rely on, she wants to be free, she wants to be a real woman, not just a representation of purity, she falls in love with a man and wants to be with him as a woman, she makes the choice to drown rather than spend the rest of her life trapped. That's Odette - and that's something I never saw in Nina. It's funny when it really hits you - the difference in the story-telling of 'Swan Lake' between 'Black Swan' and 'Billy Elliot'.
I'm wondering if Lily was the black swan and Thomas was the man that was controlling her till the very end.
I disagree. Pre-mental break Nina was very much like Odette. Paralleled personalities. Meek, shy, nervous, "virginal"
@@korykent5645 yes, but she's more than that. She is the queen of the swans, their freedom depends on hers, but as well as wanting their freedom she wants her own freedom. She has a quiet strength of her own, and what's more, we have to see her fall in love with the prince, and I just still think she's holding herself back from the prince
I like your point. Like, Odette is described as the heroine of the story
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"I had my editor count shots. There are 139 dance shots in the film. 111 are Natalie Portman untouched. 28 are her dance double Sarah Lane. If you do the math, that's 80% Natalie Portman. What about duration? The shots that feature the double are wide shots and rarely play for longer than one second. There are two complicated longer dance sequences that we used face replacement. Even so, if we were judging by time, over 90% would be Natalie Portman. And to be clear, Natalie did dance on pointe in pointe shoes. If you look at the final shot of the opening prologue, which lasts 85 seconds, and was danced completely by Natalie, she exits the scene on pointe. That is completely her without any digital magic. I am responding to this to put this to rest and to defend my actor. Natalie sweated long and hard to deliver a great physical and emotional performance. And I don't want anyone to think that's not her they are watching. It is." - *Darren Aronofsky, Director of Black Swan*
PronounceGaming If the double hardly danced any portion then why not credit what she did do in the film? No one would have even thought about it if they just put her damn name in the credits as dance double, then go on to give interviews that clarified the double was only used for minimal instances
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@@weetzybat They did give her credit. And again, she's a double. She deserves no more credit than a stuntman.
I swear I always see this comment on every Black Swan clip I watch.
"I know that some people are getting very defensive about Black Swan and my role in it, but back-stabbing is not my purpose when people ask me about the legitimacy of the dance shots in the movie. I only care to speak the truth. The truth is that no one, not Natalie Portman, or even myself can come anywhere close to the level of a professional ballerina in a year and a half. Period. That doesn't mean that I don't admire Natalie and her acting. She is so talented and can inspire people, as well, with her own art form. She did an amazing job portraying her character in Black Swan. (Though the movie wasn't a completely realistic reflection of ballet or dancers.) My only wish is that Natalie, Darren, and certain others who worked closely on the movie could have grasped the beauty and the heart of true ballet. If they had, they would have advocated for this art more and given the real dancers the credit that they deserve."
*- Sarah Lane, Dance Double*
Natalie Portman's face expression when she's dancing off the stage, omg me when something slightly bad happens
me at a minor inconvenience lmao
“It was both of their fault” “it was the partner’s fault” Nina literally grabs his hand and pushes it off of her as he falters, at 0:24 - 0:25 (you might need to watch at 0.25x playback speed to see). Maybe she does it subconsciously to confirm to herself that everyone is out to get her and wants to see her fail, maybe she didn’t mean to, or maybe some other reason, but she does it, he wouldn’t have been able to hold her up at that point even if he tried.
Best performance of cinema ever - Natalie Portman in Black Swan
EXACTLY
Nina can’t begin to touch what Barbie did with this role in “Barbie of Swan Lake”!
When she realizes she is not the puré and sweet girl anymore, she couldn't play odette well.
¡This is a masterful performance, I can feel the fear, the pressure, the anguish and the internal struggle with myself !!!
This movie gave me much respect for ballet
Love the staging here with the actual performances of swan lake
When Thomas rushes onto stage the male dancer screams, “C’est de ma faute?!” Which translates to, “It’s not my fault?!” That male dance was literally blaming Thomas tbh we all know it’s the male dancers fault he was so unprofessional!
Interesting how the prince dancer cursing and angry towards Nina while the wizard dancer were the one who immediately asking if she was okay after they went off the stage.
Why do you find it interesting?
@@aimforlifenow it's supposed to be the opposite. The prince is supposed to be good and catch her when she falls. The wizard is supposed to be the bad guy...
I'm sure there's a meaning to this, I just can't think that deep.....
@@hihi615 it just shows the lack of chemistry between the prince and pretty
@@hihi615 Maybe Nina getting closer to a less than pristine image? What with her being the white swan and the conflict of trying to withhold the 'dark' alter.
Or the dancers behind the curtains being less charming than the characters they are on stage?
@@hihi615 well, you hit the nail on the head. It's funny, I've noticed so many interesting synchronicity segments through out the film (subtle changes lighting, mirrors, different colored clothing, mannerisms, etc) and this scene didn't fall on dead ears either because there was something about it that spoke volumes although I couldn't quite put my finger on it but you did! It is indeed another segment showing Nina's descent into her own world of perfectionism and how she is moving away from the light so to speak. It is very backwards. 100% no Nina's fault either but notice how she is so so so so so focused on the perfectionism of the performance, not checking if her knees are hurt, or getting angry, she's literally close to tears because she is so afraid of losing an ounce of perfectionism.
I love little things like this in Darren Aronofsky's films (there are so many of them) Throughout the entirety of this film it's a descent. From white to black. You'll notice the ques of the fading techniques from different frames, it's so unique. And not to mention just stunning choreography. I could talk about this film forever.
But you hit the nail on the head
2:01 "How about... I dance the Black Swan for you?"
Me: _Shut up, Meg_
I think that the fall was not a fault indeed but turned her art to realness and thus perfection due to imperfection. I wonder if she’s leaving stage crying because of the fall or because she knows she has to sink into black swan at this exact moment.. Fact is Vincent Cassel speaks both English and French when she walks but she could only understand « f* disaster » which triggers her to sink even more.
"This role is destroying you"
i had to pause this scene for like 5 minutes because of an anxiety attack.
raystari I'm sorry
Same
what part? when she falls or when she hits her?
I relate. I avoid psychological thrillers for this reason.
Did anyone see the background of the thumbnail
David Person LMAO
Like seriously!!!!
LOL
I can’t unsee it!! 😂
Thts just the dance belt hes wearing. Male ballet dancers wear dance belt in the place of underwear so they won't get hurt even if the pointè shoes hit that part accidently!
I think the fall symbolizes that she isn’t the White Swan anymore but is fully obsessed and is the Black Swan
This movie gave me nightmares
Kelly lmao what do you do from actual horror films
weetzybat most of them suck and aren’t scary
bruhh same
The beautiful kind
@@weetzybat Black Swan is much more terrifying than most horror films.
if anyones care when thomas screamed in french he said "omg what a pillock you just can't trust her ! once not twice !"
Thank you!
Everyone seems to think it's the guy's fault, but if you look closely at the shot at 0:24, you can see she purposely pushed away his supporting hand. Perhaps she did this, subconsciously, with the intention of breaking free from her perfect inner white swan and later becoming the black swan.
God i feel old i remember watching this when it first came out when i was a kid i was 10 years old it was scary at times but at the same time i loved it watched it the other day for the first time in ages
Just like in perfect blue, Nina and Mima are replaying an act on stage from their reality.
This movie is litteraly inspired by perfect blue they bought the legal rights to reuse some sequences
@@livelyosaki80 I already knew that but thanks
@@livelyosaki80nope, that’s what Inception did with Paprika. Not that this movie isn’t strongly inspired by PB, it obviously is, but they don’t own the rights to PB.
@@livelyosaki80thanks sherlock
For those who blamed the guy, I think you are wrong, at 0:10 you can see that the woman lose focus because she is nervous or whatever which cause her to lose her control of her own weight, which is why the guy cant hold her anymore and dropped her. Well sorry if i am wrong, its just my opinion anyway :/
One night
suddenly on the streets
I don't know what changed my state(mood)
Black swan's paradise
Hellfire in my dreams
Nights asking why
An answer echoed on the lips
Your pains for no reason
Some are born for this.
Can we just talk about how it actually was his fault for dropping her. This is also another reason why men with huge egos should not be involved in women’s dance planning. They are only concerned about their performance, he’s concerned about whatever one else is concerned about and that is not his dancers.
I think it was both's fault. And this scene is supposed to show the bad partnering and chemistry this two had
@@agustinaagustina4195 fair enough
Anyone that did ballet would know that Nina was partially at fault she losed the composture of her body at mid air because she distracted herself instead of staying focus that made her fall since her partner couldn't grab her as well as the firts time, its like if you grab something heavy and sadenly that thing crack and lose their initial form, all that makes you drop it because the way you initially held it dosent work, sure he shouldn't have said all that, thats bad partnership, but its true it wasnt only his fault, in a work of two both have to be 100%, not one a 90% and the other a 100%.
Everytime i watch the part where the ballet dude said "what the fuck?" i wanted to punched him, it was his resposibility too.
Yummy Sounds Its hard to hold someone where there's so little room for error in the mere physics of it. It was honestly her fault, you cannot maintain the delicate balance if the ballerina doesn't maintain form, makes her off kilter
You have obviously never done ballet. Poor form and balance was what made her fall. The guy can't do it all by himself.
@@redpilledfagcan you read
This scene is pure art
Tchaikovsky! ❤❤❤
I loved how Natalie was dancing with real life husband Benjamin Millipied here, but now it's really sad given how it is now.
0:38 this shot is so beautiful how their hands move behind her head
The way the actor of the prince is her own husband is poetic
0:23 *BEST PART*
"The fuck"
hahahaha the best part
Okay but like that is my worst nightmare. I literally break out in a sweat and get anxious when I see someone mess up on stage. Maybe that's because I danced for 9 years (but then quit) and did shows but you'd think that would desensitize me right? Apparently not ;-;
It's funny I watched like ten minutes of this movie when I was like 5 and it traumatized me for life hahaha
Perfect blue live action is amazing 🤩
0:25. Ouch!! 😢
Such a great movie 💯
And then the fact that she killed it later in the next act as the black swan is awesome!
She is so professional and wants to present the best to audiences even after that fall. I think it was the male dancer's fault not her.
I think this mistake in her white swan is what allowed her to fully let go and win back the audience in her perfect black swan.
The director himself stated that she did not die. Rather, it was the passing away of a purely innocent identity. The dark and light sides of her are integrated at last.
people always say that "wOw blAck sWaN iS so gOod" without realizing it's copied from satoshi kon's "perfect blue" anime, so sad..
two things can be true at once. black swan can be so good and you can acknowledge that it heavily copied from great movie. both these things are true.
This is exactly how cutthroat ballet can be, and the challenges I faced as a teenager in ballet are why I have a huge problem with perfectionism as an adult. Maybe it's for some people but not for me.
I personally think her falling made the performance better
Astounding that Odette and Siegfried are real life couple..............!!
Wait but did she actually fall or did she imagine that
Eugenia EasilyObsess she fell
@@TheeKittyPie But if she fell, why did everyone apparently just forget about it in the next scene?
@@georgeofhamilton the show goes on
@@Thealphatheomega696 What about the audience, the director, and the male lead? That fall was devastating for them.
She fell because she saw herself in the corps. She had paranoid schizophrenia.
Always come to black swan when I’m depressed because nothing can describe the thing that’s going in my mind. I’m so selfish.
💪❣️☺️💪💪👑
Actually I find that accurrate that she falls as the White Swan but is so beautiful as the Black Swan: She abandons her old self to become a woman, so she fails as White Swan
God, it's been 10 years. Time flies
The dance is incredible
هاذه ممثله تستحق جائزة الأوسكار على هاذه الأداء
In a neat little town they call New York
Apprentice to trade I was bound
And many an hours sweet happiness
Have I spent in that neat little town
I took a stroll down broadway
Meaning not long for to stay
When who should I meet but this pretty fair maid
Come a-traipsing along the highway
She was both fair and handsome
Her neck, it was just like a swan
And her hair, it hung over her shoulder
Tied up with a black velvet band
Her eyes they shone like diamonds
I thought her the queen of the land
And her hair, it hung over her shoulder
Tied up with a black velvet band
Of course....not really a matching song, but its funny that I thought of Natalie Portman while listening to the Dubliners.....
Absolutely amazing movie
Who notice that this guy is her real husband? Lol 😂 he good looking too btw " WTF "
@@Nully_Searching-02 wait… really? When? Omg
Natalie is so cute when she crying. I been seen her cried alot but she the one that so cute when she crying
This film is beautiful, fun and interesting and I recommend everyone to follow it
I always find it interesting that throughout the whole movie, she is constantly praised as perfect for the white swan. But for the performance her white swan was no longer perfect - only her black swan
Hermosa, legendaria, obra maestra.
Nina in the end: "I was perfect."
No, girl, you forgot about this part, I'm sorry 😢
Best Movie
To be fair, he dropped her because She pushed his hand away.
There was nothing that could prevent the fall. The guy, while struggling, could have been able to hold her for a bit more, maybe slowly put her down, but none of that matters. Because even if he decided to slowly put her down, she Still pushed his hand away, she would have fallen regardless. It all happened too quickly.
So it was Nina's fault (Unfortunately caused by her poor mental state at this point).
this movie was so dramatic. im almost traumatized of it.
I just saw a video of black swans then search it and this pops out..😅
He dropped her on purpose. If you see the earlier clip, Lily the alternate is flirting with the male dancer so he purposely wants Nina to stuff up or get hurt.
Rothbart even asks her if she's okay
That little mishap actually made things more interesting. We're only human. But could someone who understands French please translate every word Thomas said when he was pissed as hell? Merci!
Prince : “it’s not my fault”
Thomas: “what do you mean it’s not your fault?”
*something gibberish*
Nina: “it wasn’t my fault he dropped me”
Thomas: “what an idiot how could I trust her/him”
(I’m not sure if it’s him or her because I’m French “lui” can mean both sometimes)
I'm a year late, but he says "comment ça c'est pas de ta faute?" Which means "what do you mean it's not your fault?" And then after that he says "quel con, pourquoi je lui ai fait confiance" which means " dumbass, why did i ever trust him"
Jessu loves yalllllll
The only time the other dancers aren't competitive is when she falls. Imagine taking a dive like that in front of people tha that hate you (as some of them did, of course)
Was the moving,falling and everything else ASMR??
This is incredible, in every video about the Black Swan movie i find ARMY's in the comments, the power of Bangtan 🤣💜
@@siriac.6827 I came after bts released there new song 😂
Bts vmin lover I haven’t heard it, but if you want to know more about the ballet that inspired it, look up The Swan Lake on TH-cam, (or if you’re just interested in the Odile (the Black Swan) then just look up Black Swan variations. Hope this helps! ☺️
Merry Christmas ! And stay safe
Holap vine porque pense que bighit saco un nuevo mv de black swan pero no jsjsjs, ta chido el video, bueno bye
Such a wonderful movie.
Pay attention to your dreams at night.
Really
I love it, it's kind of a little scary😁
I need more movies like black swan. Any recommendations??
I kinda hated this movie but not because it was poor quality film but because i was horrified and now I can’t stop thinking about this
Someone here to find articles about "blackswan"? Well I'm here to do that
Isn't Portman dancing with her future husband in this scene?
fun fact: this is all the guys fault