The problem is that despite over 2 decades of creating more powerful and more efficient electronics, manufacturers completely throw the energy efficiency out the window and clock everything to the max. This seems to a culture issue. I remember when Windows engineers were baffled over the amazing battery life when they swapped a 15w TDP Intel chip for a 5W TDP ARM chip. If manufacturers would just leave a little headroom for the energy efficiency, we would have whole day battery life by now, but alas.
i would think the reasonable option on that would be clock down for improving efficiency as an additional thing power saving modes can try and warn user of lowered performance on battery saving that also leaving maximum clock for use like gaming when user dont need maximum battery time or when user is on charger and has smart charging circuit which bypass battery and directly goes to components leaving battery not charging and not discharging
they should just make a fatter laptop with a larger battery. i don't care how slim the device is, if i am stuck to a charger with the laptop sitting on a desk.
LOL they don't make over 100wh batteries so that they don't get banned while flying. if you want a bigger battery just buy an external USBC power bank ya I djit
@@chimpo131 there's always a way around that. Split the battery in 2 and have it removable. I'm certainly not flying anywhere with mine. 17" monitor is barely portable, anyway.
I mean, it depends on the how the OS handles the resources and the hardware as well. New ARM chipsets don't seem to have this issue you are talking about. And manufacturers are using graphite to create new batteries that have better lifespan and fast charging without causing the same issues as Li-ion .
The advertised efficiency only applies when you are pushing it to its TDP. The real problem of poor battery life (especially in Windows laptop) is because light tasks also consumes a lot of energy. Try use HWmonitor to check your current wattage. In fact, modern x86 CPUs have VERY agressive frequency boost and they consume about 11W on avg when watching YT and 13W in web browsing (while their Mac counterparts just sipped on 2-3W). Assume the battery size as 60W you can only get around 5 hours of mixed use but 12+ hours on a Mac. Let alone Window laptop’s idle power consumption is also high, with 3W on idle while Apple silicon sits at around 0.2W. P.S. Actually ARM chip doesn’t mean good battery life, ARM chips only means easier to achieve good low-frequency efficiency. Other than the inefficient power management in Windows, the design of the SoC also affects the overall power consumption (the most), e.g. PMIC, integrating RAM on package. But Snapdragon and Intel (except LNL) won’t do that because of the high cost and low upgradibility, and real good battery life is hard to advertise.
I'm sorry but the conclusion is stupid af, voting with your wallet doesnt work if there isnt any alternative. A 3d artist will keep having to buy nvidia powered laptops or they'll hurt their own career, it's that simple. Also, we already have competition, if you keep up with the tech space, you already know that chip makers are scrambling to keep up with apple's M series.
My gaming laptop battery needs to be bigger than the maximum allowed in the airplane since it has 99.9wh. I have i9-13900hx and RTX 4090 since it drains too much power
some more modern laptops bypass the batterey when its fully charged and its still plugged in its there to acctually avoid the batterey digration he said so check if ur laptop does that if it does ur good
saddd and there also airline battery power limit which i heard somewhere that >=100 watt batteries need to be approved by someone. sooo 99 watt is the limit before needing to introducing special features for those taking flighs in aircrafts (like 99 watt builtin but few tens of other watts be expansion)
Meanwhile, I have to keep my 2020 Blade 15 advanced plugged in to do ANNNYYYTHINNG, yey.. gotta replace its battery and its confusing to get the right one, oh its a 2020, but early 2020, more like 2019 but with 2020 specs, oh before it had a full fat 2080 in it, but the 2080 max-q.. yadayada yada
Why should bigger batteries generate more heat? It depends on the wattage you charge or discarge the battery and not the overall size. It would even help with heat disapation, because the heat gets distributed over a bigger area. The only downside would be it would take forewer to charge. Theres another reason why laptops almost never have more than a 99.99Wh battery. Your not allowet to take more than a 100Wh battery on an airplane.
bigger batteries generate more heat because of the increase in density. the denser a cell is, the more difficult it is to cool. it also very quickly would create quite unmanageable weight very quickly
Well my Apple M1 MacBook Air battery life is really good. I use it all day at work and I only need to charge it twice a week. But that’s because it’s ARM based meaning its processor is basically a cell phone/tablet processor and probably uses tablet and cell phone components . But I also have a ton of set backs like nobody writing any software and games for the thing. I mostly use its web browsers and office suites so I can get away with it. The issue with Windows Laptop computers having such a horrible battery life is because they use intel and AMD x86 processors and Windows. Those suck power like crazy, plus people need them for software that’s only available for Windows. Plus people play games which also further suck power from the laptop battery. My boss use her Windows laptop for the same task as I use my Apple M1 computer and just as much and her battery is ALWAYS about drained halfway through our shift! Windows is the superior and best operating system and has been for years, but that’s not a good thing. It’s only because Game makers and Software makers make everything for windows! That’s the only reason why Windows is better than any OS out there. Hopefully in the near future, Valve changes this with Steam OS and makes it available to other companies so they can make computers and video game consoles with it to force Microsoft to make Windows and Xbox better and to force Sony to keep PlayStation really good as well,
The problem is that despite over 2 decades of creating more powerful and more efficient electronics, manufacturers completely throw the energy efficiency out the window and clock everything to the max. This seems to a culture issue. I remember when Windows engineers were baffled over the amazing battery life when they swapped a 15w TDP Intel chip for a 5W TDP ARM chip. If manufacturers would just leave a little headroom for the energy efficiency, we would have whole day battery life by now, but alas.
i would think the reasonable option on that would be clock down for improving efficiency as an additional thing power saving modes can try and warn user of lowered performance on battery saving
that also leaving maximum clock for use like gaming when user dont need maximum battery time or when user is on charger and has smart charging circuit which bypass battery and directly goes to components leaving battery not charging and not discharging
they should just make a fatter laptop with a larger battery. i don't care how slim the device is, if i am stuck to a charger with the laptop sitting on a desk.
LOL they don't make over 100wh batteries so that they don't get banned while flying. if you want a bigger battery just buy an external USBC power bank ya I djit
Such Laptops will be too heavy.
@@chimpo131 there's always a way around that. Split the battery in 2 and have it removable. I'm certainly not flying anywhere with mine. 17" monitor is barely portable, anyway.
@@srikrishna2561 too heavy for what? Even if it weighed 10lbs, I could take it with me.
I love the old 16" laptops that last a full day
I mean, it depends on the how the OS handles the resources and the hardware as well. New ARM chipsets don't seem to have this issue you are talking about. And manufacturers are using graphite to create new batteries that have better lifespan and fast charging without causing the same issues as Li-ion .
The advertised efficiency only applies when you are pushing it to its TDP. The real problem of poor battery life (especially in Windows laptop) is because light tasks also consumes a lot of energy. Try use HWmonitor to check your current wattage. In fact, modern x86 CPUs have VERY agressive frequency boost and they consume about 11W on avg when watching YT and 13W in web browsing (while their Mac counterparts just sipped on 2-3W). Assume the battery size as 60W you can only get around 5 hours of mixed use but 12+ hours on a Mac. Let alone Window laptop’s idle power consumption is also high, with 3W on idle while Apple silicon sits at around 0.2W.
P.S. Actually ARM chip doesn’t mean good battery life, ARM chips only means easier to achieve good low-frequency efficiency. Other than the inefficient power management in Windows, the design of the SoC also affects the overall power consumption (the most), e.g. PMIC, integrating RAM on package. But Snapdragon and Intel (except LNL) won’t do that because of the high cost and low upgradibility, and real good battery life is hard to advertise.
screen power is included when calculating battery life
laughs in the new 14 inch macbook pro which lasts an entire day with no issue
From 1990, the capacity of a 18650 cell has tripled. From 1,300 mAh to 3,500 mAh.
Problem is, the processor speed has improved 1,000 times...
I'm sorry but the conclusion is stupid af, voting with your wallet doesnt work if there isnt any alternative. A 3d artist will keep having to buy nvidia powered laptops or they'll hurt their own career, it's that simple. Also, we already have competition, if you keep up with the tech space, you already know that chip makers are scrambling to keep up with apple's M series.
My gaming laptop battery needs to be bigger than the maximum allowed in the airplane since it has 99.9wh. I have i9-13900hx and RTX 4090 since it drains too much power
some more modern laptops bypass the batterey when its fully charged and its still plugged in its there to acctually avoid the batterey digration he said so check if ur laptop does that if it does ur good
Battery issues are a Windows exclusive feature, get a macbook
This!
saddd and there also airline battery power limit which i heard somewhere that >=100 watt batteries need to be approved by someone. sooo 99 watt is the limit before needing to introducing special features for those taking flighs in aircrafts (like 99 watt builtin but few tens of other watts be expansion)
just what I need to learn!
Meanwhile, I have to keep my 2020 Blade 15 advanced plugged in to do ANNNYYYTHINNG, yey.. gotta replace its battery and its confusing to get the right one, oh its a 2020, but early 2020, more like 2019 but with 2020 specs, oh before it had a full fat 2080 in it, but the 2080 max-q.. yadayada yada
macOS and Windows battery life still shorter than Linux
Why should bigger batteries generate more heat? It depends on the wattage you charge or discarge the battery and not the overall size. It would even help with heat disapation, because the heat gets distributed over a bigger area. The only downside would be it would take forewer to charge. Theres another reason why laptops almost never have more than a 99.99Wh battery. Your not allowet to take more than a 100Wh battery on an airplane.
bigger batteries generate more heat because of the increase in density. the denser a cell is, the more difficult it is to cool. it also very quickly would create quite unmanageable weight very quickly
You cant have a bigger battery than 90wh because you cant take them on a plane whe the battery size is bigger
99.9 max
Title should be
Why WINDOWS* Laptop Batteries Still Suck in 2024
idk man those snapdragon laptops running windows look like they are better than Mac's by a country mile for the value
You got me!!
@@chimpo131 ya the arm laptops are very good battery wise but still they are arm architecture at the end of the day
Nope just x86 laptops not windows or macos laptops as their is still intel x86 based macbooks 🤣
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Well my Apple M1 MacBook Air battery life is really good. I use it all day at work and I only need to charge it twice a week. But that’s because it’s ARM based meaning its processor is basically a cell phone/tablet processor and probably uses tablet and cell phone components . But I also have a ton of set backs like nobody writing any software and games for the thing. I mostly use its web browsers and office suites so I can get away with it.
The issue with Windows Laptop computers having such a horrible battery life is because they use intel and AMD x86 processors and Windows. Those suck power like crazy, plus people need them for software that’s only available for Windows. Plus people play games which also further suck power from the laptop battery. My boss use her Windows laptop for the same task as I use my Apple M1 computer and just as much and her battery is ALWAYS about drained halfway through our shift!
Windows is the superior and best operating system and has been for years, but that’s not a good thing. It’s only because Game makers and Software makers make everything for windows! That’s the only reason why Windows is better than any OS out there.
Hopefully in the near future, Valve changes this with Steam OS and makes it available to other companies so they can make computers and video game consoles with it to force Microsoft to make Windows and Xbox better and to force Sony to keep PlayStation really good as well,
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