This RISC-V cyberdeck is not for you

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  • It's the first RISC-V cyberdeck-but most people shouldn't buy it.
    Thanks to Sipeed for sending this Lichee Console 4A for testing. You can find it and their other Lichee 4A RISC-V hardware here: sipeed.com/licheepi4a
    Other resources mentioned in this video:
    - All my test data: github.com/geerlingguy/sbc-re...
    - Blog post: www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/202...
    - Intel N100 netbook: www.aliexpress.us/item/325680...
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    Contents:
    00:00 - It's not for you
    01:18 - Hardware overview
    02:08 - It went a little sideways...
    04:10 - Quirks
    05:32 - RISC-V TH1520 Performance
    08:19 - With great interest
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  • @lonesock
    @lonesock หลายเดือนก่อน +566

    Wife: "Why'd you buy that?"
    Me: "Jeff Geerling said it wasn't for me!"
    Wife: "What will you do with it?"
    Me: "Donate it to Goodwill two years from now!"

    • @danielpicassomunoz2752
      @danielpicassomunoz2752 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      It'll probably be more usable in 2 years

    • @xymaryai8283
      @xymaryai8283 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ahh yes, tale as old, probably even older than the G-book

    • @czos9239
      @czos9239 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Wife: I want some new clothes, shoes, and I need to get my hair done lol

    • @MaxMacZone
      @MaxMacZone หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Would feel bad for a grandmother buying this lol

    • @ranjitmandal1612
      @ranjitmandal1612 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      🙏

  • @aceae4210
    @aceae4210 หลายเดือนก่อน +205

    I really like that you add proper subtitles to your videos, it's a nice touch

    • @spewp
      @spewp 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I too am very pro-subtitle. TY Mr. Geerling.

  • @uninsignificant
    @uninsignificant หลายเดือนก่อน +364

    The fact that a RISC V chip is running a desktop environment and a chromium based browser is really promising. I am really getting excited to get real usable phones and laptops using RISC V.

    • @bingus549
      @bingus549 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Im a layman, whats the appeal to RISC V for those purposes

    • @Nov1706
      @Nov1706 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

      @@bingus549RISC-V is an open standard. It isn't closed down proprietary garbage like all other CPU instruction sets.

    • @ekim4926
      @ekim4926 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      @@Nov1706 it is also (supposedly) way more efficient, or at least has the possibility of being way more efficient, than even ARM

    • @uninsignificant
      @uninsignificant 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@bingus549 it's open source, which should decrease their price significantly over ARM and x86. It's very modular which means SOCs can have a lot of accelerators. Development on it would definitely be better as it's an open platform. Finally it also should be more efficient than ARM.

    • @another3997
      @another3997 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Nov1706 RiscV may be an open ISA, but that doesn't make it inherently better, or indeed ultimately cheaper to buy or lease chip designs. The ISA is free to use, but companies designing actual CPUs around that ISA can charge what they like for their designs. Calling other ISAs "garbage" because they are proprietary is ridiculous. Performance, efficiency, price and availability are what sells chips, plus the availability of good documentation, professional support and suitable development tools. Despite what you think, licensing the ISA is only a small part of the overall cost of designing and manufacturing CPUs.

  • @illdieanyway7865
    @illdieanyway7865 หลายเดือนก่อน +161

    If they wanted it to boot sideways (the display is already sideways, so, horizontal), all they have to do is add a boot param to Grub: fbcon=rotate:(INT)
    Where INT can be:
    0 - Normal rotation
    1 - Rotate clockwise
    2 - Rotate upside down
    3 - Rotate counter-clockwise

    • @danielpicassomunoz2752
      @danielpicassomunoz2752 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      It would be helpful if you wrote to them

    • @petermuller161
      @petermuller161 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Nerd alert

    • @MadsterV
      @MadsterV 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      @@petermuller161in a RISC-V video? say it isn't so!

    • @norbert.kiszka
      @norbert.kiszka 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I think it probably doesnt use Grub as a bootloader. And this param is not for a bootloader, but for a kernel, which in most cases is passed to "him".

    • @IngwiePhoenix
      @IngwiePhoenix 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      No GRUB on RISC-V; just uboot and other minimal BLs. :)

  • @ScottPlude
    @ScottPlude หลายเดือนก่อน +94

    I have a commodore c64. It also suffers from being bad at almost everything. But I still love it. I can hold it and say, "I remember back in the day......"
    That is why I still want this thing.

    • @belstar1128
      @belstar1128 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      it was really good for the time compared to what ibm was making at the time

    • @another3997
      @another3997 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      ​@@belstar1128It was good in some areas, but not great in others. The colour pallete was dire, and whilst SID was very flexible, it only had 3 channels. The sub 1MHz CPU, the incredibly slow I/O and the unforgivable lack of graphics and sound commands in the supplied BASIC weren't great either. What made it incredibly popular was the aggressive pricing that Jack Tramiel unleashed, causing a price war, plus it was in production for over a decade, still being sold despite being obsolete.

    • @belstar1128
      @belstar1128 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@another3997 yeah but the competition had 4 colors and no sound

    • @dwgray9000
      @dwgray9000 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      *laughs in Sinclair Spectrum*

    • @rya3190
      @rya3190 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​​@@another3997I'd say, as someone born post-commedore, I think it's strength came in the combination of user accessibility (price and easy hardware manipulation), and unique hardware (like the SID). IBM seemed relatively locked down, and didn't encourage experimenting. Although the C64 kinda needed it...But hey, the Elite looked beautiful on it.

  • @iam.jasonhoward
    @iam.jasonhoward หลายเดือนก่อน +105

    I used a netbook in graduate school. It would be awesome if they made a comeback.

    • @xymaryai8283
      @xymaryai8283 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      as someone who used them in primary school, i do not wish to return to that era of plastic or performance, but a modern netbook? hell yeah.
      translation: middle school

    • @iroesstrongarm
      @iroesstrongarm หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I recently got myself a used GPD Win Max 2 and that feels like the right mix of netbook size to power.

    • @MegaManNeo
      @MegaManNeo หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      My first bought laptop was a Lenovo S10-3 around Christmas of 2008 or 2009 or so.
      I loved it, sadly the hinge broke and when I left it at my mom's home, she thought it was broken and got rid of it :(
      Not that I could do much with its 32bit Atom CPU now anyway but you know, I really liked that form factor.

    • @thaphreak
      @thaphreak 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@xymaryai8283 That's not a fair comparison to be honest, the school units had the minimum memory required and always had the slowest storage available. not to mention the processors usually was the lower cache models as well.

    • @Atomhaz
      @Atomhaz 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      GPD mini 3 is also an option or a used mini 1/2

  • @NickBouwhuis
    @NickBouwhuis หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    I'm glad it exists. Thanks for showing it off Jeff!

  • @youreyesarebleeding1368
    @youreyesarebleeding1368 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    I'm a developer and I am interested in experimenting with RISC-V. As a free software enthusiast, I think RISC-V is the future of computing because it's a radically open platform free of any proprietary blobs like Intel ME or AMD PSP. I believe individuals should have total control over their hardware, and RISC-V could deliver that. But I'm not going to purchase this because I just don't have the money or the need for it at the moment. Still, very promising, I'm very happy to see some real desktop applications running on RISC-V and in a few years, I think there will be a RISC-V device for me.

    • @antonliakhovitch8306
      @antonliakhovitch8306 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I mean, there's absolutely no reason why RISC-V CPUs can't have stuff similar to Intel ME.
      RISC-V mught make that situation better indirectly by introducing more competition to the market (incentivising OEMs to listen to 'niche' needs such as privacy and openness), but actual RISC-V processor designs can absolutely be closed and can include all sorts of custom additions.

    • @valkhorn
      @valkhorn 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      How would it leverage AI and LLMs?

    • @noth606
      @noth606 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@valkhorn Well at this point I don't see how since it is a general purpose CPU without any direct specific advantage there that I know of. But future cores or packages rather, could incorporate hardware specific to the type of computations used by for example LLM's like paralellized stream processors etc. A general purpose CPU core is roughly equivalent to any other for those purposes, what you really need is a massive amount of much simpler cores like you have in GPU's. Like your CUDA cores for example. Where you make a dent is when you have thousands of cores that can run the same calculation for the same problem but where one or more variables change, so you can evaluate the score of the outcome for millions of possible inputs and select the top score from them, if that makes sense. It's not something a traditional CPU is good at, regardless of it's microarchitecture or instruction set. The calculation is relatively speaking simple, but the variability of the inputs and thus outputs is far too great to precalculate it and use an n-dim matrix to simply use lookups. It could be done but the advantage isn't there since you'd have to recalculate every step anyway. Not sure if I'm making sense, but AI of the type like LLMs mostly would benefit from hardware that has a crazy amount of relatively simple cores since you in a sense 'brute force' approach every problem. There isn't a single 'correct' output that you can finess your way to, you throw everything at the computational wall, and pick what sticks the best.

  • @isbestlizard
    @isbestlizard หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    I had to reboot my microwave to get it working this morning :/ Trying to use it, the timer counted down the seconds but the spinny thing inside and magnetron didn't work. Turned it off at the wall, back on again, and it was fine.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Ah, don't you love it how even the simplest appliances are probably running some code that wasn't well-tested and now requires reboots or the 'IT love tap' to get them working again? :D

    • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
      @rightwingsafetysquad9872 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Sometimes I have to unplug the microwave to get it to stop beeping.

    • @nuclearmedicineman6270
      @nuclearmedicineman6270 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It's probably a safety feature. Your spinner likely has a worn tooth in the geartrain, or belt. The magnetron checks for the platform spinning; if it's not working, it won't turn on. Next time, try to manually spin it. Just an inch of rotation will likely get you past the worn part, and it should work normally.

    • @mfmr200
      @mfmr200 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      i have to reboot my washing machine 😂😂😂

    • @jg374
      @jg374 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The door interlock on ours is a bit worn and does this - a hardware rather than firmware issue. We're at the point of automatically giving the door a wiggle each time we press the go button and it is ok then.

  • @adamsfusion
    @adamsfusion 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I've commented on these little Lichee SoCs before on your videos, and once again, I'm glad to see it getting to the point where we can have full-build dev machines. I imagine in a half-a-decade's time, we'll see this sitting beside ARM in the low-end market where value-add comes from off-die peripherals within the SoC. Maybe in 10 years it'll be good enough to run a tablet or phone. Exciting times!

  • @TechnoTim
    @TechnoTim หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    I ❤ Dark Mode even more when Jeff wears it

    • @DaveBeauvais
      @DaveBeauvais 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Where can I buy this shirt? I’ve found others similar in style, but this is nicer than any of the other designs.

  • @nickob9870
    @nickob9870 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    To be fair, we should consider the name of the thing when judging its usefulness. It’s called „console“ and I‘d assume that it works perfectly fine for that usecase: ssh into a headless server.

    • @nyft3352
      @nyft3352 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yes, that would be the main use for a cyberdeck-style device, though i can imagine some other specific scenarios where a little computer like this would be useful or even crucial to have. Cyberdecks in general are not for everyone.

  • @thepotatoenjoyer-zo9ng
    @thepotatoenjoyer-zo9ng หลายเดือนก่อน +318

    thinkpad nubb

    • @ThreeTreee
      @ThreeTreee หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      :)

    • @iSamYTBackup
      @iSamYTBackup หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      yup the good 'ol TrackPoint

    • @Warren_Elrod
      @Warren_Elrod 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      More like thinkpad CHUB

    • @dosdoktor
      @dosdoktor 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You mean reused thinkpad nubb.

    • @SkepticalCaveman
      @SkepticalCaveman 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      IBM Trackpoints are great. If this netbook had a real Trackpoint and a mechanical keyboard then it would be a great typewriter.

  • @igorschmidlapp6987
    @igorschmidlapp6987 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    As an old IT support engineer, I was drooling over that form factor as a data center server field support box... (and I personally luv "da' nubbin")... ;-)
    Too bad that the guts and mechanical design quality seem to blow chunks...
    And, the "old-school" question was always, "Will it play Crysis?" ;-P

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      True, but Doom is the better benchmark for the more wild hardware I touch-Crysis usually involves some sort of Windows-ish stuff, and that makes it an order of magnitude harder :)

    • @LTrain-ub1mc
      @LTrain-ub1mc 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      This exact laptop with a Intel Celeron CPU and Windows 11 can be found on Aliexpress and Amazon for about $250-300. The only difference with this model seems to be the CPU swap and the kinda sloppy addition of a ethernet jack.

    • @Atomhaz
      @Atomhaz 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You can also find GPD even smaller than this which has a ton of ports including serial.

    • @igorschmidlapp6987
      @igorschmidlapp6987 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Atomhaz Yeah, the serial port is a real plus to get a console terminal connection on a UNIX server...

    • @ranjitmandal1612
      @ranjitmandal1612 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      😂

  • @drdiesel1
    @drdiesel1 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Used to have a Dell Mini 9 that i really liked, wish they'd respin a modern version of that.

  • @tylersperry9164
    @tylersperry9164 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    My love of handheld Linux devices dates back to Sharp's Zaurus. Its actual utility was somewhat limited but just the fact that I could noodle on the command line with a PDA was tons of fun. So of course I bought into the Asus Eee PC line starting with the 701 and a couple of models afterwards. Great little machines.

    • @downinthebunnyhole
      @downinthebunnyhole 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Still using c3k

    • @patrikfloding7985
      @patrikfloding7985 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I had a Sharp Zaurus, which I liked, although it was useless as it was a development unit with only half the RAM of the final released version. Still have it, and it still boots the original Linux it came with.

    • @downinthebunnyhole
      @downinthebunnyhole 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      32MB? 64MB? Enough for 2.6.24 + text console

    • @downinthebunnyhole
      @downinthebunnyhole 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Note. I somehow compiled gnat (ADA), and added ada to gcc, which I daily use on my pxa PDA. Gcc v4.1.2 is small enough to run more than decently.

  • @anon_y_mousse
    @anon_y_mousse หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    It may not be very good, but the form factor is good, and hopefully it will lead the way to a fully open platform existing in the future. Can you imagine how awesome it would be if every chip and board that went into the computer you're using was open?

    • @killingtimeitself
      @killingtimeitself หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      that would be such a cool time period to exist in.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Check out the MNT Pocket Reform. Hopefully they start shipping soon. It's more expensive, but it's a completely open platform, down to every part but maybe the base silicon for some of the chips a small company just can't make!

    • @paul_boddie
      @paul_boddie 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@JeffGeerling The problem with things like the MNT Reform - and I have a lot of respect for MNT - is that they provide weird keyboards that don't have a space bar and even try and pitch that as an advantage.
      There's another open hardware laptop - the Balthazar Personal Computing Device - that has a similarly undesirable keyboard (and also happens to use RISC-V). I mean, space bar technology is not rocket science, but people try and reinvent the most mundane things in the least practical ways for no really good reason.
      So this device, by using something that is probably an off-the-shelf part, is actually doing the right thing: focusing on the elements where they can differentiate sensibly, as opposed to trying to reinvent everything poorly.

  • @SonicBoone56
    @SonicBoone56 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    We need more palmtops like this again. PLEASE. If you can make gaming handhelds, you sure as hell can make tiny laptops too.

  • @johnsimon8457
    @johnsimon8457 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    You’re only interacting with the RISC-V ISA if you’re coding in assembly. Otherwise the experience is similar to running a semi-jank Linux on another system on a chip board like oDroid or Tinkerboard

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Eh... in this case I didn't get into it in the video... but there's still a lot that doesn't easily work on here. I couldn't install Ansible because of some Python library incompatibilities, and some media tools wouldn't compile either and weren't available in package repos. So I basically had to give up running a few tools that I can build on Arm or x86

    • @benedani9580
      @benedani9580 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@JeffGeerling Doesn't Box64 run on RISC-V? Could try it even if it would be comically slow.

  • @Steeeved
    @Steeeved หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    I, too, love my little netbook. It is still going... well not strong, the battery in it is hard dying, charge can go from 70% down to single digits in an instant. Yeah.
    I'm glad to see RISC-V going places though, the more the better so it can get tested for various form factors.
    Still a long way to go for it to be competitive with other architectures. At the rate it is going, we may very well see the very first cases of optical computing coming out of the labs with some recent advances in that arena.
    Computing hardware in general is at an exciting time right now. Kinda wish I went down that route, but I went the software direction.

    • @IndependentNewsMedia
      @IndependentNewsMedia หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      God bless.

    • @elu9780
      @elu9780 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You should replace the battery, assuming you need the portability.

    • @Steeeved
      @Steeeved หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@elu9780 I might do eventually, and at least sell it on to a new home, or maybe give it to my nephew when he is older, throw some games and educational stuff on it for him.
      I'm intent on making my own DIY tablet to replace my current Android tablet, the netbook, and e-reader all in one. Folding dual-screen one, color one side, e-ink the other.
      My project for the year now. Going to be fun to make.

    • @yag-yet_another_gamer
      @yag-yet_another_gamer 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@elu9780at least you can do that with older hardware.

  • @morsine
    @morsine 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I saw this a while ago, I'm glad you made a video on it !!!

  • @ltxr9973
    @ltxr9973 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Always nice to hear about RISC V stuff!

  • @sanair2007
    @sanair2007 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    "this thinkpad cyberd-"
    my dear friend that is a palmtop

  • @AshtonSnapp
    @AshtonSnapp หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I want this for devkit purposes. I would love to see if any of my projects would run on RISC-V…

    • @hubertnnn
      @hubertnnn 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I would say, if you have the money, you can take the RISC.

    • @downinthebunnyhole
      @downinthebunnyhole 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Which projects?

    • @VynVdragon
      @VynVdragon 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Might want to look up the milkV oasis

  • @johanngambolputty5351
    @johanngambolputty5351 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    As someone wanting to move more towards open firmware and ideally hardware... its really good to see this.

  • @voyager33mw
    @voyager33mw หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I used an Eee PC in college too. The screen size was terrible, but I swapped in an aftermarket battery and could get 6-8 hours of runtime, enough to carry it in my backpack all day without the charger

  • @ofoosy
    @ofoosy หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I don't care i want it. Ive been waiting for the risc-v cpu module for my MNT reform forever!

  • @anb4351
    @anb4351 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    China's ban on AMD and Intel for some of the Chinese government contracts will give a big rise to a lot RISC-V chips coming out of China

  • @GRBtutorials
    @GRBtutorials 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I have a Lichee Pi 4A (with the same SoC as this console), and one thing that’s interesting about the SoC is the integrated 4 TOPS NPU. That’s enough for doing, say, object recognition on a surveillance feed. There’s a few examples on the wiki, so it’s not an undocumented gimmick like in other SBCs.

  • @iiidiy
    @iiidiy 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Looking forward to the roll-out of 3:21 as your official channel watermark!

  • @themalcore_
    @themalcore_ 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    It's important to note I think that this "laptop" is basically a laptop shell on a Lichee Pi LM4A which is roughly a RISC-V equivalent of a Raspberry Pi Compute Module. As you rightly pointed out, it's far from an actual laptop.

  • @chuxxsss
    @chuxxsss 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hope you are well, Jeff. Have a wonderful day.

  • @WIImotionmasher
    @WIImotionmasher 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    this is the only mini laptop I've seen this size with a camera.
    Honestly a big selling point, fun laptop, but with a camera for interviews.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Unfortunately needs an external mic; and I couldn't get Bluetooth working either. I don't think the headphone jack has an input.

  • @rya3190
    @rya3190 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I picked it up a couple of months ago, and I get a lot of compliments on it...for some reason. It's a bit disheartening to have to tell people "It's not worth the price at the performance", but I know why I got it, and I enjoy it!
    Performance wise, I've been comparing it to late 2000s computers (similar boot times, and "hardware" grunt). The touch screen..works, the nub brings me pain, but, surprisingly, I like the keyboard. Can't type with it normally very well, but it fits in my hands pretty well and my thumbs can reach anywhere (just gotta break the habit of using solely the left shift, lol). It also struggles with software compatibility, but running with Linux typically I have gotten use to that...
    Over all, it's a fun little device that I can't recomend to anyone, but I will be playing with for years to come (especially since the risc-v module is replaceable).

  • @crypto-logisch
    @crypto-logisch ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Love the fact that you also loved your eeePC and don’t know why - that was the magic of those eeePCs 😅😂

  • @GaryMcDermott-81
    @GaryMcDermott-81 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Fitting in the cargo pants is a power move Jeff, love it!!!

  • @scorch855
    @scorch855 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I also have fond memories of those tiny netbooks, running eeedora of course ;)

  • @xeddiustripp6398
    @xeddiustripp6398 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I'm still very excited for the future of RISC-V if you look at the speed which development is being adopted and the change in performance year-by-year it's technically improving faster than both ARM and X86 have in the past 10 years within just 4.

  • @KillroyWasHere86
    @KillroyWasHere86 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I loved my eee to. You'd love your input on a good modern eee replacement.

  • @nutbastard
    @nutbastard 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    6:39 THANK YOU for using a colorblind friendly graph!

  • @CoryAlbrecht
    @CoryAlbrecht หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    What if all I need is an ssh terminal because I have to log in somewhere while on the road? This sounds like a better option than a tablet.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Somewhat-see the keyboard discussion... it can be a bit painful to use the punctuation on this layout. If you use it enough, you can probably train your fingers to hit the period, forward slash, and apostrophe okay, but even with decent use for a couple weeks, I still can't hit those three keys all the time.
      A couple placements were odd at first (like Tab and Backspace), but I got used to them.

    • @abhimaanmayadam5713
      @abhimaanmayadam5713 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Honestly the other tiny laptops that were mentioned would be way better in terms of efficiency. (I wonder if there are any AMD ones because power efficiency)
      That would be really nice though. I currently use A-Shell on my phone when I need to ssh into my server wihtout pulling out my entire laptop and that is a chore.

    • @hey-da
      @hey-da หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      honestly a tablet with a bluetooth keyboard and termux would probably be a better option. especially with battery life

    • @maighstir3003
      @maighstir3003 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's what I use my 9-inch EeePC for. It's really not powerful enough for much else, barely browsing on its own nowadays. Then again, I have a much more versatile Thinkpad, and since I can just as well run SSH from that, the Eee doesn't get much use any more.

    • @danielpicassomunoz2752
      @danielpicassomunoz2752 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Better a portable, larger screen, A nice keyboard, and a cheap pi SBC or the pi400. I saw a nice mod where they put a mechanical keyboard on the 400

  • @josef188
    @josef188 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I want one. I ❤❤❤❤ RISC-V
    Thanks for the video

  • @ChristopherHindefjord
    @ChristopherHindefjord 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The "shell" (incl. screen etc) is basically "off-the-shelf".
    I have a similar looking unit (w/o an Ethernet port) that I bought a year ago.
    It has a Intel Celeron J4105, 12GB of RAM, 120GB SSD.
    It's decent unit, for a "laptop" that portable, but it has its quirks.
    It came with Win11 (unlicensed, but with custom drivers. I've since bought a license), and I've also installed Ubuntu (tried some other distros, but Ubuntu had the least issues).
    The "little red riding hood mouse" (as the listing calls it) is fine, but the "mouse buttons" are stupid, they are basically just keys: left is "keycode 84"/0xffb5 (according to xev, produces a 5, works as a lclick in Win), and right is the "[context] menu" key (incl. in Win), meaning that you can't "right click" on anything (and no left click in Ubuntu).
    And of course, I had to change the orientation of the screen. (I also haven't gotten sound to work in Ubuntu)

  • @Milaaq302
    @Milaaq302 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Grabbing one of those intels, thanks for the link!

  • @rmcdudmk212
    @rmcdudmk212 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Very cool machine even if it's not the most powerful. It's not the answer to Risc V computing but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It's fun in the early cycles of product development seeing how they'll play with different form factors. Even if one or two of them don't work out or don't generate enough sales, it's good to keep engineers working on more fun designs than just the standard 'expected' designs!

    • @rmcdudmk212
      @rmcdudmk212 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@JeffGeerlingtrue you have to look at it as more of a proof of concept then a full fledged PC. Would be interesting to see what different OS you could get running on it to see if you could expand the software library.

    • @foldionepapyrus3441
      @foldionepapyrus3441 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The bit I wonder is how much better that chip will run with further code and compiler optimisations for RiscV - something we are still seeing improvements in now with Arm as a desktop platform.
      I'd not want to stake money on it, but I'd not be surprised if it will become a perfectly good RiscV netbook eventually.

    • @rmcdudmk212
      @rmcdudmk212 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@foldionepapyrus3441 that could be a good set of tests to run it thru as well. 👍

    • @benedani9580
      @benedani9580 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@rmcdudmk212 Linux, Linux, and then also Linux. Oh, and don't forget Linux.

  • @ThatGamePerson
    @ThatGamePerson 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    So, I've actually got one of those P8 aliexpress netbooks he shows. It's very nice and has a great size (wanted something to go in my small camera bag). The problem is there is actually a bug on Linux where the internal display won't work on boot. There is work being done and I tried to post a link but it looks like my comment got removed. Wanted to post it here to shine a light on the driver issue plaguing the P8 N100 machine.
    I like the P8 (I may get the RISC-V unit just to contribute there as well). I also find it odd that this unit and the P8 have some of the same quirks. Charging seems unreliable on USBC when completely off (will only work with some chargers while off but seems to work with everything while on). Power button must be held for 5 seconds to turn on. Display is wired for portrait mode layouts. Also, the keyboard is very similar.
    Since the link isn't posting, you may use the following as a search term:
    i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] *ERROR* hback porch < 16 pixels - Internal 800x1280 screen not working on Intel N100 Alder Lake based notebook (DSI) in KMS

  • @grantclark4139
    @grantclark4139 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You've convinced me, I'm selling my gaming PC and buying one of these!

  • @alexandredevert4935
    @alexandredevert4935 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's a cute thing for recreational coding. I have a special place for my 10'' notebook from 2009, besides the cheap screen, that thing was perfect for coding on the go.

  • @mitchelstewart9969
    @mitchelstewart9969 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a small urge to get one and overclock it. Small, but it is there. Though I can be patient and wait for the other devices to release first and for some more software improvements to land in various things.

  • @joonglegamer9898
    @joonglegamer9898 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I don't know why, but the design form factor appeals to me.

    • @felixjohnson3874
      @felixjohnson3874 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It'd only be better if the bottom of the display slid forward until it was flat, making it basically a chonky tablet with a slide out keyboard

  • @bokrugthewaterserpent3012
    @bokrugthewaterserpent3012 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Always a fun time when the screws come pre-stripped

  • @Embassy_of_Jupiter
    @Embassy_of_Jupiter หลายเดือนก่อน

    it's pretty cool that jute ube already works on RISCV

  • @scottdrake5159
    @scottdrake5159 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Looks like it shipped with xfce? Whatever distro they adapted for this, I would have preferred something like Sway for an effectively no-mouse UI, and it would feel faster, and be possible to get more use out of the touchscreen.

  • @RedFalcon696
    @RedFalcon696 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The cargo pants! Those are perfect for this laptop, awesome! :D

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      They still fit from college days too lol

  • @deterlanglytone
    @deterlanglytone หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    You know, Doom didn't originally have mouse support. You can play that one with just the keys on a single keyboard.

    • @MegaManNeo
      @MegaManNeo หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Have you seen those super small arrow keys?

    • @joendter
      @joendter 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      OG doom actually had mouse support, it was just that nobody used it bc they weren't used to it...

    • @randomgamingin144p
      @randomgamingin144p 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@joendter also it was disabled by default

    • @felixjohnson3874
      @felixjohnson3874 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      the developers literally said it was ideally played with a mouse. It was only disabled because mice and mouse gaming weren't really prevalent enough for it to make intuitive sense to most players.
      But yes, Doom had it and, if you ask the developers, that's how it was always meant to be played.
      Edit:
      "Can you confirm Doom was meant to be played with a mouse?"
      John Romero : "Absolutely, Doom was absolutely designed to be played with a mouse, even Wolfenstein was designed to be played with a mouse"

    • @Autotrope
      @Autotrope 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Doom original DID have mouse support. And it was the best way to play it, even though many people at the time didn't take gaming with a mouse seriously.

  • @MegaManNeo
    @MegaManNeo หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks for testing these small footprint machines, Jeff!
    Sure RISC-V isn't there yet - especially if we have to buy machines from Aliexpress which perform similar to a RPi 3 - but I really love that small form factor and I think it could be a cool gadget in certain scenarios too :D
    Also the cheap keyboard has a ThinkPad TrackPoint, that makes bonus points on my list! Just good you didn't try to play Doom using these super small arrow keys.

  • @unclegamer3092
    @unclegamer3092 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I got one awhile back and i dont have the ethernet cable. But I am running windows 11 no problem. Its been a solid machine honestly.

  • @Sylvan_dB
    @Sylvan_dB หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great review. I do appreciate the comparison with R'Pi and ARM in general. Am I buying one? No, but I'm thinking about that N100...

    • @maxvid1
      @maxvid1 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      If you want to run Linux don't get one. The display does not work. There is an issue open on the freedesktop gitlab "screen not working on Intel N100 Alder Lake" should help you find it.

  • @TalmidAndy
    @TalmidAndy 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If it had consistently been in that slot between the RPI-4 and RPI-5 or even sitting at the RPI-5 level through all of the capabilities it would have been a very popular device, especially amongst the amateur radio community running digital modes.

  • @jaymemeulemans7482
    @jaymemeulemans7482 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about the devterm or uconsole from clockworkpi? Both of those have options for risc processors when you purchase them.

  • @chipling7367
    @chipling7367 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jeff, thanks for the sharing. Fair comments on the risc-v performance. However, as the manufacture already mentioned that this is a developer machine and not an end user machine. I would like to see you have some contents related to software development. i.e. What os it can be run on? What tool chain it is using? Or maybe download something from git and build the software so as to show us how long does it compiles. etc

  • @bcastroalves
    @bcastroalves 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I was very surprised that this cyberdeck runs SuperTux Kart in a decent way. Years ago, this was my benchmark when I was going to test a Linux distribution on my laptops.

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And it's still fun today :)

  • @patrickfitzgerald6081
    @patrickfitzgerald6081 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Lychee RV Dock with Allwinner D1 is a cute little toy. I like the package and don't regret playing with it. Hardinfo said it was equivalent of PentiumM(R) so 1990s processor.

  • @stamy
    @stamy 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    It is funny, I just watched a video about the C920 RISC-V CPU today (Milk-V Pioneer system).
    If I am not wrong the new C930 which according to Milk-V is planned for Q1 2024 will have full Vector support.
    On the other hand the verilog files for the C910 are available on github, but sadly not for the C920...

  • @codyrap95
    @codyrap95 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The suspense in Jeff's videos is that you can't know if next time he will still be Jeff Geerling, or only "Until next time, I'm Jeff Geerling"

  • @Kw1161
    @Kw1161 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks JeffI thought your Red shirt counterpart was being a bit too optimistic when he showed two thumbs up…by the way did he get them reattached?
    I almost bought the Pine64 PineTab for $220 on their sight, but lack of community support put me off. Although in another 5 years hopefully that will change.
    Thanks for the information and always great videos.
    Have a great day!

  • @user-fy3mp3hs1d
    @user-fy3mp3hs1d หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    When you hold the laptop in your palm it looks like it IS your hand. Like your arm ends with a laptop attachment. Cyber indeed.

  • @tboatrig
    @tboatrig 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I loved my EeePc too.

  • @FindecanorNotGmail
    @FindecanorNotGmail หลายเดือนก่อน

    All Lichee's RISC-V devices have the CPU on a kind of "compute module" though, so there might be a CPU upgrade for it later on.
    Edit: There are modules planned with SiFive P550 in May, and 16×SiFive P670 in September.
    Myself, I'm more interested in the Lichee Pad. Then I'd connect my own mechanical keyboard instead. Still has a good port selection. The only thing it is lacking is wired Ethernet.

  • @llcc77
    @llcc77 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Reminded me for the Toshiba Libretto

  • @ecc206
    @ecc206 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would be cool to see some content about IBM Power which runs a form of RISC

  • @Praxibetel-Ix
    @Praxibetel-Ix หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Very nice little devkit! It was amusing to see it run DOOM. :)

    • @JeffGeerling
      @JeffGeerling  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      But can it run Crysis?
      ...no, not at this time :D

    • @Praxibetel-Ix
      @Praxibetel-Ix หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JeffGeerling I dare you to get "Undertale" running on it. 😅

    • @LivingLinux
      @LivingLinux หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Praxibetel-Ix It does run (Tyr)Quake.

  • @vk5ukkklaus386
    @vk5ukkklaus386 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Would that on the side be a rest button LoL

  • @microcolonel
    @microcolonel 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm looking at their RISC-V Android tablet dev kit. Slow AF is fine for testing my Android platform work, and should remind me quickly when my library is doing too much work.

  • @PsiQ
    @PsiQ 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Could the little pokey hole be a battery reset ?
    Lenovo has those on their thinkpads underside, since the battery is now not removable
    and when you need to do a complete REAL power off/reboot you can't disconnect the battery anymore.. which i had to.

  • @user-lw4nt5uc3p
    @user-lw4nt5uc3p 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I had an HP Mini 311 for my college days (well some of them, my first laptop for College was an IBM ThinkPad x23 (I think... it's been a while) ). The HP uses an Atom N270 processor, 3 GB of RAM and a slow spinning hard drive. It was very very slow. But it ran Power Point and that was the whole reason for it.

  • @MaxHaydenChiz
    @MaxHaydenChiz 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I hope that we aren't too far off from having a RISC-V board that is both cost and performance equivalent to a Pi5. It will get more people interested in working out the Linux tool chain stuff and that will make using them in embedded contexts better. I have some projects where a board like that with good vector instruction implementation would be helpful. But we don't have many choices for RISC-V processors with that feature set, and I haven't seen anything like that for sale at a cost effective price point. So keep us informed. I'm looking forward to seeing where this takes us.
    (I also hope that one day we will get competitive open source implementations. There are plenty of situations where that would be very useful.)

  • @I4get42
    @I4get42 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It is so cute! I've got a win max 2 (6800u) and it fills this niche for me :-)

  • @motmontheinternet
    @motmontheinternet 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I still have a C-60 based netbook with a modern Debian installation. AMD's first generation of APU, their first integrated graphics. It doesn't do much, but for some reason I always keep it working. It's got a newish battery that still gives it five hours of battery life while sitting at the desktop and I redid the cooling (including replacing the degraded foam air duct leaving the CPU cooler with some adhesive foam strips from the hardware store). The only "real" work it does is I can take it to places when family or friends ask for tech support on something.

  • @vincei4252
    @vincei4252 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Take away: Don't buy this, you will be examining your life choices.

  • @Girz0r
    @Girz0r 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    More cyberdeck reviews!!

  • @privacyvalued4134
    @privacyvalued4134 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I agree that RISC-V isn't for consumers yet. When someone says something is for developers, they probably mean at the hardware/architecture dev level. I'm impressed at how fast compiler technology has adapted to a real instruction set that didn't even exist a decade ago. Drivers are the Achilles heel for a new CPU architecture, so I'd wager the type of person who would be interested in something like this would be: Compiler devs, OS devs, driver devs, and maybe application devs. It's most definitely not for the end user. Slow hardware is actually advantageous too for some devs. In some cases, a dev literally needs to watch each frame draw on the screen, potentially pixel by pixel to debug issues.

  • @MarcoGPUtuber
    @MarcoGPUtuber หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    But Jeff's videos indeed are for me!

  • @Jorge.ALXNDR
    @Jorge.ALXNDR 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    1:20 bro violated that port

  • @rick-lj9pc
    @rick-lj9pc หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've used a lot of Pis and have to say that there was a very significant improvement in responsiveness with the Pi 5 over the Pi 4 (even with both using NVME storage), Risk V needs to be at least on par with a Pi 5 for a usable desktop experience especially as low end x86 PCs really have come a long way. I recently got a N97 mini PC for about $200 that is great for web browsing/watching videos (even 4K) and is very low power. The graphics is not up to playing modern games but for almost anything else I can't tell the difference between it and my main system.

    • @LivingLinux
      @LivingLinux หลายเดือนก่อน

      We'll see where RISC-V stands, when the Milk-V Oasis gets released (second half of this year). 12 performance cores, 4 efficiency cores and a dedicated NPU on a Mini-ITX board, expected to start at around $120.
      Add 64GB of memory, and they even claim "effortlessly runs large-scale LLMs like LLaMA-65B".

  • @xoxollin
    @xoxollin 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i wish more pc manufacturers would make that form factor! the only really compelling mini laptop (with typeable keys) is the gpd win max 2. all the 13-17" laptops are too big imo; keep the devices small and if you want a big screen, just line out into an external monitor.

  • @alexlandherr
    @alexlandherr หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m glad my super-duper Linux regular size laptop has Gigabit Ethernet for when I need it. Haven’t figured out a way to do per LAN custom DNS settings for Pi-hole yet.

  • @akretschmann6384
    @akretschmann6384 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Is there always a slightly laugh in "I am Jeff Geerling"? 😅

  • @caffedinator5584
    @caffedinator5584 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    From what I’ve read RISC-V still needs a lot of ISA optimizations before general use. Glad oems are making progress though.

  • @megan_alnico
    @megan_alnico 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Power VR? Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long long time.

  • @spiderunderyourbed6893
    @spiderunderyourbed6893 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Review the Milk-V pioneer box!! A full risc5 pc, ltt had a look at it not too long ago

  • @CyberAutodidact-rw5li
    @CyberAutodidact-rw5li 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Freedom is the point. Performance will follow.

  • @Genesis8934
    @Genesis8934 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    7:04 Especially if(when?) the trade/tech war heats up between the US and China.
    Also, quoting Palpatine at the end.

  • @Biedropegaz
    @Biedropegaz 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Will you make some fatality video with it? You should do it again. It was so a bright and inteligent idea to perform fatality on a pc.

  • @bearprower
    @bearprower 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That looks exactly like the mini-laptop I got only thing missing is the ethernet port and its running a Intel celeron with windows 10

  • @BlkRider
    @BlkRider 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    You don't need mouse to play Doom...

  • @jamesmillerjo
    @jamesmillerjo 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    When plumbers advertises shuriken wrenches to the householders "because they needs to be existed"

  • @travismason2811
    @travismason2811 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wish there was an equivalent to the Asus Eeee PC 901, I have no Idea why I love that keyboard so much, but I wrote so much stuff on there, it had a battery for days. I ended up putting linux on there and had a whole ass external sound card with XLR and phantom power I used to record folly for movies I was doing, it was great.

  • @aeebeecee3737
    @aeebeecee3737 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Coming from future, nowadays future here the RISC-V is the only ISA for digital binary computers use. Couldn’t imagine RISC-V in past history is small like this

  • @yegenek
    @yegenek 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Someone who watched too many 80's 90's movies would try to hack ATMs with it 😆.