Why Clash Royale Will Never Nerf Miner
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The Miner is one of the first legendarys in Clash Royale and is still is one of the most popular troops to this day. Although he hasn't had many balance changes, his influence has always been prominent in several different metas.
Correction: The rocket does 25% of its damage to crown towers, not 20%.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:49 Sponsor
02:05 2016
08:16 2017
12:19 2018
16:43 2019
20:00 2020
25:05 The Origin of the "Nerf Miner" Meme
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No.
But I don’t want to.
He's joined the darkside, but props to you.
Bruh
Buff Miner.
Buff Miner
People still play this game?
@@mrwannabe00I have been playing it since the 2016, I used to be on the top 100 actually and lived all the history of all cards
On god
Ah, another brad fan
I'm not even a Clash Royale player, some how Gratz just hook me into all of his videos.
Same
@@wiiview9482 you should come back just try it its rally good
Same. It's just such good content.
Same honestly
@@secretname4190p2w and dogshit changes
I love that Wallbreakers work well with Miner. In CoC, that combo is obviously counterproductive.
@@Lucy_595did you not read the word combo
@@Lucy_595 how do you still fail at reading comprehension when the comment is made of 2 sentences...
IN WHAT NOW?
@@joltenx1014 clash of clans not….that
@@joltenx1014i love coc and miners
Goblin barrel: spawns 3 troops that can be placed anywhere in the arena => spell
Miner: spawns a troop that can be placed anywhere in the area and has reduced tower damage just like spells => troop
At first this confused me but from a technical standpoint this makes sense. The goblin barrel can be placed right on top of a tower. That’s the concept of the card. While the miner can only be placed at the side of one. If they would turn the barrel into a troop it couldn’t be placed directly on towers anymore.
Goblin barrel originally did damage spell damage when it was 4 elixir too
@@thephelddagrif2907nothing like killing half the skarmy (21 skellies back then) with a gob barrel.
I mean someone mining underground doesn’t sound like a spell imo
@@justachillingcat even the game itself says its not magic its just a shovel
@@user-fv8uy5kv4c i thought it said a magic shovel, and a magic shovel that does reduced damage to crown towers
miner is definitely the best card supercell has designed ever imo. also the fact that basically no one has complained about miner despite it being one of the most popular cards for a long time just goes to show how non frustrating he is
@@farewell418Thats mostly high ladder players though, which is the minority of the player base (this doesn't mean its not a problem) i still think miner is one of the best cards Supercell has made tbh
No one has complained? Wtf people have been complaining for 3 years now
I actually hate Miner, but that's because I'm bad with the card. I think Gratz could've touched on the "skill' of the card a bit more in the video: 95% of the time when I lose to miner, the thought is "damn, he got me" because he caught me off the card rotation needed to deal with it, rather than "what a load of crap."
Also, IMO you rarely feel hopeless against the miner itself because of the low damage, and there is always a way to counterplay the miner's chip, though it might be prediction-based and could leave you vulnerable to the synergy cards.
Don't like it in coc though.
It is probably the worst card they ever designed. How is a card that has always been overpowered great game design? Lol
Maybe the strange early buffs were just to make the card a little bit better as a temporary measure while people were still leveling it up. It was hella difficult back then and it took a long time.
@@secretname4190 : I mean… in some cases they didn’t need to. Think of those broken recent releases!
I'd rather deal with Miner at its peak of strenght than Phoenix.
Seriously, who thought making a Mega Minion that has more DPS/faster attack speed, summon a Giant Snowball without the slow on death and forces you to kill the egg with a spell the majority of the time when it dies on the opponent's side just for 1+ elixir by the way.
And personally, when Phoenix first came out, I though it was a 7-elixir card just off the look of the card alone.
boykisser
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@@plantbruh6458I kiss miners daily.
Miner is designed so well, you can slap it in most decks, and won't be that crappy, unlike for example executioner who needs tornado to be good
Executioner is the bane of fireball bait when placed correctly.
Miner is the best card in cr ever
Y'all could argue for Tornado & Log though, but unlike Miner who pretty much never has a competition to steal his place, Tornado & Log at some point were competing with other cheap spells like Barb barrel, Zap, Snowball & Arrows
So yeah, my top 3 greatest cr cards would be:
1. Miner
2. Tornado
3. Log
Good game design, unlike whatever we got with Champions and Evolutions.
Someone never figured out what a swarm unit was
It just goes well with any troop if you pair it with arrows/poison/eq
I would like a video on the log. It's in the same position as the miner, where it's high usage rate doesn't bother the community, but much more amplified. As such its use rate has been near 50% in top ladder decks and often 100% in top 10 decks.. Yet nobody asked its nerf.
His video on logbait discusses the log, don’t think a full vid about it is as necessary
@@plhbuschannelThe log wasn't trash on release, zap was just ridiculously overpowered at the time
Miner is arguably the best card in cr ever
Y'all could argue for Tornado & Log though, but unlike Miner who pretty much never has a competition to steal his place, Tornado & Log at some point were competing with other cheap spells like Barb barrel, Zap, Snowball & Arrows
So yeah, my top 3 greatest cr cards would be:
1. Miner
2. Tornado
3. Log
Fun fact- Log is the most nerfed card in the game with a total of 7 nerfs since it's release.
@@Rikka_V1 That's honestly a surprising fact
What's the second card, with how many nerfs?
I always love Miner. It's basically Knight but more versatility.
But without the amazing mustache :(
@@Cobalt957But he has a candle
@@downintheseas But Knight drops his sword
Miner has a shovel
shovel knight
This is like a natural evolution to the Gratz video style; instead of focusing on the balance changes of the unit, Miner's unique history of balance carves a narrative of how he's changed the meta, instead of how the meta has changed him. Absolutely one of your best, Gratz
You could say that Miner dug its own meta.
Miner never changed the meta though, it was just adaptable and viable in any meta. And now they killed the only archetype that actually revolved around the card.
You should do X-bow next which is arguably one of the most polarizing cards ever. Would be extremely cool.
I can't remember the last time Xbow has had a balance change
Fr
@Gameover people love to call it low skill because they hate it (which tbf is understandable, I play xbow and still hate seeing xbow lmao)
People seem to confuse "low skill" with "annoying as hell". XBow is undoubtedly not fun to play against, but it's not low skill at all.
@@itzpayday1238 do you use ice bow or 2.9
@Danny C. I switch around between 3.0 and icebow golden knight variant (just icebow but with golden knight instead of regular knight)
That final comment about reacting to miner palcements is intersting to me as a fighting game player, where to me having some forms of mind games and unseeable mixups that you have tot ry to read your opponents patterns and habits to guess where its going, is really cool and interesting, delaying miner spawn time would take away from that imo.
The difference is that in fighting games patterns are a series of complex actions so it's way more likely not to mix up when under pressure, while putting miner on the tower is just a tap and you just have to do it randomly, there's no mind game
@@ST-in7fo still i always felt like that was their intention for miner. and also idk why but i noticed that a miner is more likely to ignore nearby units rather than the towers, compared to other units. Like mini pekka can be distracted easily but miner seems to go directly into the towers.
@@ST-in7fo There is because different placemts have different options for counterplay, going for king tower side or in between both princess towers, you can activate the king with tornado. Front makes it easier to splash/interact with suppprt troops, so wall side is the "safest" but most predictable, you have to weigh up how each interaction could come up, if you've shown your opponent tornado they're way more likely to play around it, narrowing down the guesswork.
@@Cassapphic I'm conscious about miner interactions but rn the most common combo is naked miner poison that you can't predict in any way
@@ST-in7fo Maybe make it 1.5 seconds and augment his damage and health by 10%. Is still quite fast but now is reactable.
Fun fact: Crusher 21 loves miners
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@@aVeryAngryMoththe card you sick freak
@@aVeryAngryMoth are u real moth
Whenever they kill the miner, he'll dig his way out of his own grave.
😂😂good pun😂😂
Miner could get to heal crown towers and still be a top 10 card imo
All your videos are clearly thought out really great, and your editing skills are out of this world! You are easily one of the best CR TH-camrs out there. keep it up!
So even in the period when goblin drill was op the miner still had at least 11% usage rate ?
Drill is more of a win condition miner is also very versatile because it can go anywhere in the arena
Miner is just supposed to be a distraction but the fact that it can be cycled so much makes it a win condition nkw
Miner is simply that guy fr😂Miner is arguably the best card in cr ever
Y'all could argue for Tornado & Log though, but unlike Miner who pretty much never has a competition to steal his place, Tornado & Log at some point were competing with other cheap spells like Barb barrel, Zap, Snowball & Arrows
So yeah, my top 3 greatest cr cards would be:
1. Miner
2. Tornado
3. Log
I love miners
🤨 📸
Truly the legend never dies, the miner crossed all metas since 2016 and even now one of the best win conditions
This card has for the majority of its lifespan singlehandedly held up high-skill archetypes on its shoulders. It has rightfully earned a permanent place in High Ladder.
I just saw a loading tip that said NERF MINER I think they have gone crazy
Alternate title: Gratz searching for 100 different clips of the miner hitting the crown tower or pump.
Fr though, great video!
dude genuinely love these videos, their like documentaries without any of the fluff a lot of the mass produced ones since they got popular on yt
Miner will always have a special place in my heart. It was the first legendary I ever got from a free chest.
Me2 😂❤
8:22 - 9:06 glad you clarified about focusing on "top ladder" -- was curious too. great video, thank you for researching & sharing! :D
I’m glad you mentioned Brad in this video. It would be almost criminal if you didn’t.
I'd love to see a documentary about spawners and why they exist since I don't feel like any of them deserve a separate video
barbarian hut already has a separate video tho
I remember when the "Nerf miner" joke was big. I liked to comment "Buff miner" on random CR videos instead because I think miner needs a buff. Then, Supercell nerfed it again.
x-bow might b a good card to review next, considering its state..
Nothing much to review about it. X-bow has the most unique style of gameplay which only very few can learn which is why nobody uses it.
@@eternallife8898 it's also incredibly boring both to play and to play against so only people liking to annoy other players run it
you should make a "worst updates" video where you go through balance changes and updates that had no reasoning behind them and were bad
Archer’s first attack speed has been 0.1 from beginning of game, I’d rather they found another way to nerf her.
Now it’s 0.5, meaning they rarely chip damage towers.and are bow punishable by log
Xbow?
love rewatching your vids man, they're so well made
20:57 *this*
A card's strength mostly stems from its versatility and win rate. Versatility is often overlooked as with the most prominent examples being the Miner -- which you've discussed here -- and the Log. The latter is almost was, and still is the most versatile of any card, with recent exceptions being the Phoenix and Monk meta and the Archers meta; it really has come to be an indication that a card is OP, when it nears Log's use rate. That's the reason that it comes to me as a surprise when a lot of casual players and even some pro players think that it's okay the way it is. It's not so versatile because it counters Log Bait, and other swarm bait; it's not because it has a knock-back; it's not because of the damage to towers before the nerf (it's almost as good after the nerf).
It's versatile because it's all of those things: it deals 1.5 times the damage of other 2-elixir spells, has 2 times the area of impact, and has a special mechanic that knocks-back any ground troop (and that compensates well beyond the fact that it doesn't hit the few air troops in the game). That makes it strong, or at least usable in most decks (it even appeared in beat-down and bridge-spam some times even though it's not suited for that archetype), and that is the reason that it's so prominent in most cycle and siege decks.
#nerfthelog
BUFF the log
But supercell has always used spell as a counter to overpower cards and control the meta, so it's really hard to nerf the log without giving a massive rise to all the bait and swarm archetypes. You could say zap was nerfed then but back then it got wayyyy too meta defining with over 50% use rate in many cases, the log havent even reached 50% for once.
Miner is the best card in cr ever
Y'all could argue for Tornado & Log though, but unlike Miner who pretty much never has a competition to steal his place, Tornado & Log at some point were competing with other cheap spells like Barb barrel, Zap, Snowball & Arrows
So yeah, my top 3 greatest cr cards would be:
1. Miner
2. Tornado
3. Log
I honestly think that miner is just so beloved simply due to how fun it is to play with. If you lose to a miner deck, 9/10 you'll never feel like you lost because the opponent had miner.
Xbow.I hate it like 2.6 and log bait but it still a iconic deck in cr history,and it will quite interesting to see it history
It's the iconic trio but I think there are way more annoying decks
@@ST-in7fo like?
Great video but part of what makes playing with and against the miner ineresting is guessing where the miner is going to go based on the decks being played and previous positions
Could you do a video on the electro giant sometime? I’ve seen it brought up a few times before in your videos so i’ve gotten interested in hearing about it
About the often mentioned vanilla state.
Getting a 6% buff and later getting a 6% nerf is a nerf, because the later 6% are more than the first.
If im wrong please tell me, but that is how i think it works
Technically it should, but I checked the health of a level 1 miner when it first came out and the health of a level 1 miner after the health reduction, and they’re both 1,000.
1.06(1000)=1060
0.94(1060)=996.4
It should have ultimately reduced the Miner's HP by 3 or 4 points but they might have just rounded it to 1000 for the purpose of re-standardizing interactions because the final discrepancy was so minute.
it’s because they count the percentages from the original stats, not from the ones they are at while being nerfed/buffed
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It’s crazy how many different videos you can overlay octopath music over and still have it feel right
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Honestly the quality of these videos is through the roof. I would love to see an Xbow video, I used to use it as my main win con up till it got its fire speed reduction and now it's just....a shell of its former self
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I've personally never had any issues with the miner, rarely played it but when playing against I saw it as a non thread card that you could just ignore for the most part.
a history on the electro spirit, the only card with no balance changes, would be kind of funny
Holy shit!!! Congrats on the raid sponsorship!!! You deserve it, man. Your videos are always hit for me, thank you for your efforts
I stopped playing clash royale a while back so its interesting to see how the game is today, I deadass didn't know the phoenix mighty miner and the monk were a thing until I watched your videos
but even so the miner holds a special place in my heart, it was my first legendary back in 2017, got it out of a silver chest in arena 6, that was before the animation for legendary cards would play, so it just popped out all of a sudden, absolutely wild. I love this card
I love miners! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
You should do sparky next, she’s my favorite card!
I love your videos dude. Its like watching a proper documentry
Stickerbush Symphony at the beginning... Sounds so good...
Honestly I still think the miner nerf we got a while ago was unnecessary. Poison was the main reason it was so obnoxious, along with some support troops that allowed it to be unusually strong. Had we given it another couple of weeks given what changes were made, I think it would have been fine.
And the main issue with spell cycle isn’t the spell damage it’s 3 card cycle
If it was unnecessary why is it still the most used win condition, I think the nerf was fair and it is more balanced now(still is a powerful versatile card)
@@boxcart4533 It's a unique card, no other card can fulfill the same role as miner so unless it's nerfed to the point of unplayability, like reducing its health by 50%, it will still see play. That doesn't mean the nerf was warranted.
@@boxcart4533its not a win condition anymore. Its used as a mini tank to support win conditions like balloon and lava hound and wall breakers. The nerf made it more or less unviable as a win condition.
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Yeeeees another vid, I’ve been binging these lately
I haven't played Clash in a couple years now, so my perspective may be off, but I have an interesting comparison on Miner. I play competitive singles Pokémon, and the Pokémon that the Miner reminds me of is called Landorus-Therian. Like the Miner, it is an incredibly versatile pick for your team that can serve a variety of roles; bulky support, speed control using a Choice Scarf (a speed-boosting item), or even a set-up attacker, due to great stats, a fantastic ability, and awesome defensive typing. Despite this, Lando has some key weaknesses and most teams are going to have a built-in answer for Lando--you don't have to prep for it specifically. The problem is what it enables the *other* Pokémon on the team to do. It reminds me of how Miner can be used on several archetypes, but never felt overwhelming to play against. One more thing they have in common is that competitive players love them, but more casual players seem to dislike them. The thing about Lando existing, though, is it serves as role compression. It beats certain powerful Pokémon, it sets Stealth Rocks, it can remove the opponent's rocks, it can spread status conditions, etc. Miner does this as well. It can serve as a pseudo-spell, a mini-tank, or a win condition on the same deck depending on the matchup.
No big conclusion, just thought it was an interesting comparison. Lando brings variety due to the role compression it brings--I'd argue that, to a degree anyways, Miner does the same thing.
This is a comparison I would have never expected yet it fits so perfectly
As a former competitive pokémon playet myself, you couldn't have said it more perfectly
Miner is THE versatile card of clash royale, and no card was ever as close to have the versatility the miner has
I’ll be honest. I’ve never played clash royal, never even gone near it. But I love your videos about the game. The way you examine numbers, metas, and give so much context to the game, and how troops effect it, make your videos a great watch even with no knowledge of the game at all. Keep up the videos!
Gratz, you’re videos are insanely well made. How on earth do you not have 100k+ subscribers? Wow.
Thank you gratz for so much nostalgic content
Im a miner main, and this card is not overpowered at all, just so flexible and versatyle.
Also its kinda dumb you just place it on the opponents princess tower and its almost guaranteed damage
i'm in the same camp, and i feel like if they're going to constantly nerf its' damage they need to give it something to offset it. something like 8% higher health or something to incentivize use as a tank for smaller units while reducing its efficiency as pure chip damage. otherwise you're just straight nerfing an entire archetype, which is ridiculous considering the fact that miner decks are some of the least braindead in the game, while things like bridgespam and hog cycle have been unchanged for half a decade.
@@user-fv8uy5kv4c not rlly spells are guaranteed damage and many other things
@@user-fv8uy5kv4c royal giant, hog rider, electro giant before nerfs are clearly more dumb
It's definitely overpowered in 3x you can just spam miner poison and win the game like that
I just started watching. I hope B-rad will be mentioned.
21:59
Your vids always a thrill to look forward to I may have quit the game but I love seeing these vids
Dude, i played this game when it first dropped, hated it, and left, yet somehow, this dudes content is just so good i listen to it while driving or grindig a game or something, he just makes it sound interesting. Keep up the great work man!
Gratz, I am so glad that your channel has come so far. I started watching at around 5000 subscribers, and I was baffled by the low subscriber count. These videos were so high quality and entertaining. Whenever you clicked, you knew what you were watching and you wanted to keep watching. I’m so glad that you are so close to 100k. This video just came out, so it might be able to push you to the threshold. I really hope that you make it!
Gratz can you please do a video on the Valkyrie, Firecracker and the Princess.I really feel like these cards fall in the same territory of area control and would really love seeing you point out their similarities and how their presence affected each other.This was a really insightful video like always , 🙏.
Ps. Nerf Miner.
😂😂😂
The History of Princess is gonna be 2 minutes long.
Used to be spell-resistant in 2016 but is now only relegated to Logbait.
There it is, the entire history of the Princess.
@@vivelespatat2670Can’t wait for the history of the princess to be Gratz’ first TH-cam short
I love these vids bro I wish there were more I’ve seen all now 😭
First background music gave me a sniff of nostalgia
Hot take: they should give miner an indicator of where he’ll show up. You can tell where a goblin barrel is gonna land by its trajectory, so it’s possible to see a tricky barrel coming. However, miner gives no indication of where he’s gonna pop up, so you pretty much have to hard read where he’ll go to prevent taking damage. Of course, this would be a huge nerf, so it could be counterbalanced by giving him a damage increase or something like that.
that would make the card useless since they could just drop goblins where the miners gonna be
No
This is essentially the suggestion at the end of the video. By increasing the deploymenttime, you don't have to read him anymore.
no
Doesn't really matter if it deals more damage when its never gonna hit the tower anymore.
We need more of these videos 💯
Gratz I’ve been loving your content and have learned a lot about metas while I took about a year break! Have you thought about making a discord for your community? I’d love to help make one for your community to grow even more than it has in the passed few months!
Can't wait for the electrio Spirit video
Will you talk about the clone spell? There was a time at which i played clone golem night witch, even zappy in mid ladder and had a lot of fun and then they made the clone spawn to the back instead of the side and i never saw it ever again, and it was already rare to go against
Buff mirror
Amazing video as always. Love your work
Nothing hits harder than 360p clips with emotional Minecraft OST, keep it up mate
Miner should do sparky damage
Great as always. What would you think to doing a video on the Xbow? It sure has a reaction from veterans.
i havent been able to sleep lately but these videos help? thank you grantz 😭 i have never played clash royale ever yet im entranced by the content
I’ve been using Royal Giant since the day it got that initial buff and haven’t stopped using it since. I’d love to see a video on its history
Nypa
This aged like milk
Hooray new Gratz vid!
Im glad you went over why you use top ladder stats, I did often wonder
I think they should add something to tell exactly where the miner will be placed(like goblin barrel shadow) the card will be less annoying to deal with and people will stop complaining miner nerf 😂
u can see it LMAO hover and look at whether the path is inside or outside of the tower and then just react fast enough
Then it’s useless
@@kamcarter7873exactly, meanwhile you have to eyeball gob barrel to know if it’s a tile up or down.
I like this came out then clash nerfed miner
I love watching your video Gratz, especially this video. I played this game when it was first released till now so it is very nostalgic to watch yout videos. Keep it up!!! (Btw will you make a video about lvl 15? I personally hate the update since it requires tremendous time to grind)
*Your videos are so good it makes me want to cry*
Deploy time nerf is a nice idea, but there are problems either way. If it gets a deployment nerf to the point where you can drop something before it even targets the tower, then it loses basically everything that makes it what it is. If it's still basically impossible to time it, then a damage buff with your troop killing it a little faster would just result in the same thing we have now. I think in a modern meta, the problem with miner is that it's basically a poison cycle deck. And that doesn't feel right. Made even worse by the fact that you can 3 card cycle with a champion in your deck. Every match vs miner cycle players feels like a fight to death, wether the player is good or not. There's just something really weird about that archetype.
As a miner player I actually agree, especially in the current meta
I think maybe a miner buff and a poison nerf would be great. It lets him become more reliable and playable without poison then it will be in a healthier spot?
0:14 the way the wizard gets pulled away is way too funny to me
Another amazing vid as always
love your channels content, great documeantries
You should make a video about phoenux being the most consistantly broken card and one of the highest usage rates!
pheonix just came out theres nothing to talk about it
Whenever I see miner used it makes me happy, because I know il win the match 😂
I use him to build up troops in back while I prepare a tanker for the front
How to say you’re in midladder without telling us you’re in midladder
@@jaket2274 Fr bro buggin
Clearing the schedule. My new favourite CR youtuber just dropped another video!
I played since release day and miner was my first (and for a while only) legendary. He was in every deck I used for a long time
Always wanted to see this guy's history ( ╹▽╹ )
Actually guessing where the miner is going to pop up is a strat in itself. I've been able to defend miner 70% of the time. Its like playing rock paper scissors. Eventually you will find a pattern and be able to counter the card.
I love your video essays
Never stop making these videos we love you
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31:38 its not always random though. if the match has just started, the enemy will place the miner in a position that the tornado cabt pull, which is in the diagonal part of the tower, if you search it up youll see it, its hard to explain lol. and if you're mid match and the enemy has cheap swarm cards, such as bats, goblins, and others, he'll place the miner on the bottom of your tower so it makes your card go the opposite way, and allowing the swarm cards hit the tower.
again, its quite hard to explain on a comment, but you can find multiple videos about the best miner placement and how to counter it.
great video as always!