I LOVE THIS. LOVE this new segment, LOVE this idea. I. love. all of it. More of this Ari! And thank you for always lending your voice to those who need it the most.
Just want to thank you Ari for having this topic on your show. So refreshing to give air time to this discussion. For people like me, its really important
If an attorney can argu before SCOTUS that an inanimate organization can be determined to be a "person", we can surely find sentient living animals are worthy of living their lives in health.
The court never ever should have assigned rights to corporations that would fall under human right this is truly the radicalization of the right-wing Court to give the top 1% all the power in this country it's freaking ridiculous. And if you look at when they did it it was right after Obama managed to collect a billion dollars in small donations. The Republican party is taking all the money from their constituents feeding it up to the top 1% stealing from the poor and giving it to the rich and the courts have permitted this. It's just like the Second Amendment. In my opinion The Constitution's pretty cut-and-dry in this an article 18 gives Congress the right to regulate militia. But because Congress had that right they added the Second Amendment to say hey you can't touch the guns of militia from any state that's why it clearly states and this is a quote guys a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Well regulated militia meaning that you could have a militia i e the National Guard of each state where the executive the governor appoints the officers this also is in the Constitution. So very simply put the states were allowed to keep arms so that they could be not be attacked by another state without its population being able to defend that state. But the Supreme Court for some reason they're brilliant said okay we're going to get rid of the first line we're going to get the rid of the last part or are the security issue and we're just going to say everybody has a right to have a gun. So to conclude conclude if they actually pass this and a Pitbull eats a baby you will literally have to go to court to sentence that dog to death are you kidding me!
As I mentioned, Jane Goodall is vegan. Other intelligent, widely admired people who chose not to eat meat- Pythagoras, Socrates, Leonardo da Vinci, Voltaire, Newton, Benjamin Franklin, Nikolai Tesla, Albert Einstein, Gandhi, Albert Schweitzer, George Bernard Shaw, Tolstoy, Thoreau, Saint Francis of Asisi, Nobel laureate and holocaust survivor Isaac Bashevis Singer, and many more. Some on this list switched late in life, but stayed on it to the end. Ben Franklin switched at age 16. "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." -Einstein (Of course today, he would be vegan. So would the others on this list.) The famous Professor of Physics Brian Greene is vegan. You may have seen him on PBS hosting science shows for the layman. Greta Thunberg is vegan. Jon (Daily Show) Stewart is not only vegan, he owns a farm animal sanctuary! Wikipedia has a much longer list of vegetarians and vegans.
@@PleaseDontEatAnimals Have you ever noticed that animals, especially carnivores and parasites, inflict a lot of suffering on other creatures? I'm not saying its intentional, it just happens in the course of their trying to make a meal out of those other animals, that's all. Seems to be the natural order of things, so to speak, so who are we humans to question that natural order?
Martha Nussbaum is correct! All sentient beings have a right to live out their lives as the being they are. It is preposterous that we humans are more intelligent than other animals. Really? If we are so intelligent then why are we destroying our planet, creating wars against other countries, and so on and so forth. I can imagine a world where we respect and coexist with all living beings including our sacred mother earth. "Open Mind" is a wonderful idea and series, thanks, Ari!
I believe that other animals should have as much right to live their lives on this planet as humans do, and these rights should be respected. So while we shouldn’t respect animals for the benefit of humans, I think if we considered the effect of our actions on the habitats of other animals, humans would also benefit. We’d have cleaner water, cleaner air, and our habitats would be more in tune with nature and healthier for us. We humans do so much harm to ourselves when we consider us to be separate from the animal kingdom. Beneficial natural habitats are as critical for us as for all other animals on the planet. So many of our habitats and habits are unnatural, but in contemplating what other animals need to thrive I hope we realize how much their needs and ours coincide.
@@mjkay8660 We don't have to choose one or the other, we can care about human and nonhuman animals simultaneously. That will benefit both actually, for instance if we weren't bringing billions of land animals onto the planet every year, we could give the grain and water consumed by these animals to the 45,000 people who starve to death *every single day*. 😥
i appreciate this presentation. glad it's gotten its own coverage, instead of just the usual brief mention. for some people this is not a revelation. there is no need to ascribe 'human' qualities or 'intelligence' to non-human animals to determine if they are worthy of rights. they ALL have rights to be who they are with no scientific investigation. it's just humans that mess this up.
Does anyone (besides myself) ever wonder why the 45th president has never loved an animal? Never had a pet, or let his children have a pet? What kind of person hates them so much? 🧐
@KING CONDOM III Being allergic to an animal is not the same as hating the animal. I can't eat gluten. I don't hate gluten products. I am not a 'bird person'. I don't have any birds in my home. I still appreciate the birds. I like to see them. I don't want to see them hurt. I don't compare people I don't like to birds.
I don’t think he hates animals. I think he doesn’t have the ability to love. I don’t think he even loves himself. He only has a wounded self hate that he masks with inflated self promotion.
AngelEagle44- I do as well but with all the carnivores in the world, I doubt animals will ever gain rights. Such a pity. ALL life deserves to be allowed to live in harmony and thrive.
Keep in mind that you are part of nature, integral to it and inseperable from it, just like all of us. Like someone already said: prayer does nothing, we need to act.
corporations are not people!!! a corporation can not be sent to prison a corporation has an entirely different tax status and regulations since they exist in different realities, they are not the same
As a wildlife rescuer this is the best story and would hope it was adopted all over the world. If we don't speak up for animals they have no hope cause they can't speak for themselves. Everyone and everything should have rights. Thank you for this program.
I have a thing against rodeos. I have seen a movies where they rope them from the neck and throw the calf in the ground for points and money I guess! I hope someday people stop doing that for entertainment and price money!
@@jetta2134 I used to protest rodeos when I lived near Denver, CO. It's all part of the animal agriculture industry--teaching people to see animals as objects who are there for people's pleasure, be it the pleasure of this so-called entertainment or the pleasure of their taste buds. So sad what we humans do to other animals...
If a corporation can be called a person, why not a living breathing being who helps people in all situations, for the blind, for people with other disabilities, for veterans, for protection, and of course companions for families and their children who learn how to care for them which teaches them how to care for themselves and their fellow citizens.
That's why I'm vegan. Once you realize the hypocrisy of loving and living with some animals, and then paying other humans to forcibly breed, commodify, torture and then slaughter others.. at the same time realizing that you've always known that animals have their own personalities just like we do you realize maybe for the first time that the survival instinct is an absolute imperative in every living being and the animals want to live and be loved and feel safe and not live in fear and pain~just like us.. And that is when you do everything you can think of not to contribute to any of that torturous, inhumane cycle anymore.
Well done, Ari. About time this issue and debate made it into the mainstream media. We need to recognize, in law, that the Earth is the home to other species besides ourselves, and that we humans must be better stewards of the planet.
Excellent commentary Ari. It’s about time this situational was dealt with and the title of the new segment is perfect. Open mind. Speaking of whales, who remembers the movie, Star Trek, The Voyage home?
What we need is an Ameglian Cow, like what Douglas Adams wrote about: It appeared in the television adaptation of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy in the second novel, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe, and in the sixth novel, And Another Thing... The Ameglian Cow (also referred to as the Dish of the Day) was one example of a race of artificially created, sentient creatures which were bred to want to be eaten. So yeah, that's what we need and then we can finally sidestep all of these annoying questions once and for all!
Ms Naussbaum’s book sounds absolutely fascinating. On my ‘to read’ list for sure. Thank you Ari, great intro topic for your new series. 👏👏👏👏👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🥰🥰🥰
This issue has been my lifelong dream.. I never thought it would be discussed like this as if we could ever do this for the animals. If only… if only… probably not in my lifetime. Sigh. Maybe there’s hope.
I believe animals do experience pain I saw a pig sacrificed when I was a child and I still remember how scared the animal was I am a vegan because of that experience I felt the animals pain and I have no words to describe what I felt sad very sad 😢
I used to have a pet chicken. When I got home, I would go out back and when she spotted me she would come running as fast as she could, I’d open my arms and she would run into my arms for a long hug. I stopped eating chicken bc of her and stopped eating all animal products soon after. She was a beautiful soul ❤
Reminds me of an interview I heard years ago with our former Australian High Court Justice Michael Kirby where he predicted that animal rights and animal justice would soon become among the most significant social change since the likes of LGBTQ rights. Thanks Ari for your prescience in highlighting.
Ari, I don’t know how to thank you for this. She has expressed something I’ve been saying for years. To see it from someone of your position is golden. 💛
This is Ari Melber's best segment ever. Only one criticism, Ari refers to humans and animals, but humans are animals, so to distinguish between us is to creates a false hierarchy.
My late dear wife used to say "Dogs are too good for people." We had a poodle mix that had an uncanny ability to interact with us. I hope we can save this planet for all creatures before it goes beyond our capabilities.
Animals don't naturally participate in ideological systems - their 'work' is to be a part of global ecosystems, of which humans are one species, but which we are the only species to destroy & render extinct entire ecosystems, species & indeed whole cultures & races of our own species.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all sentient creatures are entitled to certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Maybe it's time for an update. If we keep moving in this direction, maybe someday even all human beings will attain these worthy goals. We can have a dream, can't we?
I support this 1000%-- over-emphasis on human rights and little to no regard for animal rights. Animals and humans are interconnected. They are entitled to be on an equal playing field as humans
Note to Professor Nussbaum: Cuttlefish, octopuses & squid are all molluscs. They are very intelligent & participate in highly sophisticated visual communication including lying. Something that we can argue displays a 'theory of mind.' An example: A male squid will display interest - "Hello baby." - on the side of his body presented to a female of interest, while showing disinterest or aggression, to other males on the other side of his body. Pretty sophisticated stuff! 😉
Yes Ari. I completely agree that we are failing at protecting the animals we share the planet with. All we have to do is look at the ever growing list of endangered species. It's all our doing and all within our ability to reverse. But I don't know if we can get there. I mean we can't even seem to agree on something as fundamental as the consistent destruction of our planet with fossil fuel.
I'm going with sentience as a cutoff point. If an animal can express some variety of interiority, sense of presence, recognization as self as different from their environment, and acknowledgement of surroundings that can be communicated to each other, are important as markers. Every day we see/hear about animals grieving, showing affection to one another, protect one another, show fairness toward one another, recognizing oneself in a mirror. They have some higher order of thinking and that's important! As Peter Singer asks, "Can they suffer?" Can they understand the passage of time and that the pain can cease? Important questions.
Yes, the question for me is "can they suffer?" If so, I want no part of it and definitely don't want to put money into that horrific system of animal abuse/murder.
Even earthworms have been shown to respond to the companionship of other earth worms. Plants do better when they are loved and talked to. It's going to be hard to pass laws about something so spiritual, but let us try any way.
This was an amazing segment, Ari! Thank you for starting up this new series -- it just further exemplifies why you and your program are one of the best parts of cable news!
Congrats on becoming vegan! For me it was a few decades ago and I know it is the best decision I've ever made. Thank you for being a caring person! ♥️🤗
Unfortunately, we do not have meaningful laws against cruelty to farm animals. Whatever weak, scarce laws there may be are not enforced. A lot of cruelty to farm animals is perfectly legal. such as cutting off body parts without anesthesia. If someone treated a dog the way farm animals are routinely treated the person would be arrested.
The cognizant dissonance we all live with, knowing our existence and habits promote enormous suffering on the animals we share he world with… we have lived with this discord all our lives. It’s in our power to stop the suffering as much as possible.
The State of Arizona has rights for animals. A report of animal abuse is investigated by Police. If abuse is proven the person is arrested and they are tried, and many times, they're given jail time the animal is rescued and given a new life.
Giving all animals the right to representation sounds crazy but… let us open our minds about it. Love this new series, Ari. Just curious, have you got an animal living with you??? 20:42
Thank you Ari! Please do more on important issues such as this; it so important to our lives and for our planet to have in depth understanding...and especially on how we treat our nonhuman animals.
I don't believe in pet ownership, but I accept dogs as terrific pets. I'd like to see our species stop attacking animals, and their habitats. Stop attacking knowledge of the natural world. Being wise is a noble life goal.
Thank you for airing this Ari. Every day I pray for animals to be afforded the same rights as humans. I never imagined I would see this type of discussion on mainstream media so soon! You have a great show, I love how you are always so open minded, compassionate and respectful to those whom you interview. I look forward to seeing more on your Open Mind segment , great idea. Keep up the good work.
This woman is empathic but biased. Cultures do still eat whale meat. Norway, Iceland, Alaskan cultures and Japan. Birds are only birds? Corvids are problem solvers. Octopus are mollusks. They can feel pain. They are also problem solvers. Their physical structure allows them to do amazing things. She kind of slid right past the animals we eat. Pigs are as smart as dogs.
Kids need to learn how to respect animals from other humans who respect them. Not sure laws can do that very efficiently. But I support animal rights, fully. When I was a child I was lucky to have a grandmother who adored animals. I learned, very young, that animals are "people" too. Better people than most people, really. It's no secret that kids who torture and abuse animals will go on to do the same things to humans they perceive as "lesser than" themselves when they become adults.
It would be great if school curriculums would include lessons about compassion towards all animals. I'm certain there would be less bullying and school shootings if that were the case.
It would behoove us to value the animals we share the planet with; value, cherish, respect. Cruelty to any animal is wrong. We need to protect their habitats, set aside land for them, to live sustainably with them.
Strange… But i love the talk and pro vs cons and its right that animals need more protection. Much more. We know most animals are more intelligent than the typical MAGA voter.
This makes me think of a comment from Neil DeGrasse-Tyson about man talking to aliens. We share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees but we can't hold a conversation with one. How could we possibly talk to an alien being?
What does that mean know about morals, if he doesn't believe that the other Earthlings sharing the planet with us, deserve protection from us ( the only ones large scale harmony them)
Better stewards of our world. The more links lost in the chain of life the poorer we become. One link could be the one that dominos life as we know it into the end leaving only stone and wind to remember what was. We need to be better stewards.
I often wonder how many animals die in tha oceans due to military drills n practice. Pretty sure they at least have tha worst migraines ever n often probly die bcuz of it. People- r just tha worst
Another argument that can be made for more reluctant people is that animal protections like sentences for pet murder help to protect humans too. In many abusive situations, pets are used as leverage to force the victim to stay, because they can’t bring them with them to shelters. If you could be charged for the same sentence you’d be charged for murdering another person, then that could protect the pet or at the very least, land the monster in jail so that his other victims are safe.
Well done for opening your new series with this topic. I thought the opening segment, when Ari highlighted historic social changes which seemed unthinkable at the time, was well done and did prompt viewers to consider the issue with an 'open mind'. I would have to argue though with Ari's comment that animals are protected by law and the implied suggestion that what Prof Nussbaum was proposing was over and above this. On the contrary, most animals (for instance, farmed animals) are not protected and need laws just to ensure their right to life and respect. What is being proposed isn't extreme, it's essential.
you can care about more than 1 issue at the same time. its not mutually exclusive -- if we treat all species with kindness, compassion, empathy and respect, dont you think that would mean humans too?
This conversation is altering my brain chemistry. Humanity has caused regretful extinctions, so "adverse impacts" is not hard to understand. What is immoral abuse of animals is in eye of beholder. Expect howling disapprovals from hunters, meat industries, etc., inflicting horrors.
I LOVE THIS. LOVE this new segment, LOVE this idea. I. love. all of it. More of this Ari! And thank you for always lending your voice to those who need it the most.
I feel the same and also love that Ari speaks up for those who are oppressed. 😍
I am amazed and surprised (and elated) to hear this in mainstream media. I am NOT at all surprised that Ari is on it.
Great introduction to both Martha Nussbaum and the new series, "Open Mind".
Just want to thank you Ari for having this topic on your show. So refreshing to give air time to this discussion. For people like me, its really important
Same ♥️
If an attorney can argu before SCOTUS that an inanimate organization can be determined to be a "person", we can surely find sentient living animals are worthy of living their lives in health.
The court never ever should have assigned rights to corporations that would fall under human right this is truly the radicalization of the right-wing Court to give the top 1% all the power in this country it's freaking ridiculous. And if you look at when they did it it was right after Obama managed to collect a billion dollars in small donations. The Republican party is taking all the money from their constituents feeding it up to the top 1% stealing from the poor and giving it to the rich and the courts have permitted this. It's just like the Second Amendment. In my opinion The Constitution's pretty cut-and-dry in this an article 18 gives Congress the right to regulate militia. But because Congress had that right they added the Second Amendment to say hey you can't touch the guns of militia from any state that's why it clearly states and this is a quote guys a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Well regulated militia meaning that you could have a militia i e the National Guard of each state where the executive the governor appoints the officers this also is in the Constitution. So very simply put the states were allowed to keep arms so that they could be not be attacked by another state without its population being able to defend that state. But the Supreme Court for some reason they're brilliant said okay we're going to get rid of the first line we're going to get the rid of the last part or are the security issue and we're just going to say everybody has a right to have a gun. So to conclude conclude if they actually pass this and a Pitbull eats a baby you will literally have to go to court to sentence that dog to death are you kidding me!
Excellent. You are so right!👏👏👏👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼❤️❤️❤️
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The word "animal" is a noun.
A noun is a person, place or thing.
Animals are not places or things.
Therefore, animals are persons!
As I mentioned, Jane Goodall is vegan. Other intelligent, widely admired people who chose not to eat meat- Pythagoras, Socrates, Leonardo da Vinci, Voltaire, Newton, Benjamin Franklin, Nikolai Tesla, Albert Einstein, Gandhi, Albert Schweitzer, George Bernard Shaw, Tolstoy, Thoreau, Saint Francis of Asisi, Nobel laureate and holocaust survivor Isaac Bashevis Singer, and many more. Some on this list switched late in life, but stayed on it to the end. Ben Franklin switched at age 16.
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." -Einstein (Of course today, he would be vegan. So would the others on this list.)
The famous Professor of Physics Brian Greene is vegan. You may have seen him on PBS hosting science shows for the layman. Greta Thunberg is vegan. Jon (Daily Show) Stewart is not only vegan, he owns a farm animal sanctuary! Wikipedia has a much longer list of vegetarians and vegans.
"We're failing the animals, and inflicting unnecessary pain on them." It's not a difficult concept to understand, and it's true.
Open your eyes and take a look around you. It looks like animals aren't the only ones having unnecessary pain inflicted on them.
@@bryanjackson8917 so true
@@bryanjackson8917 Humans are animals as well. What a wonderful world it would be if no sentient beings had suffering inflicted upon them.
@@PleaseDontEatAnimals Have you ever noticed that animals, especially carnivores and parasites, inflict a lot of suffering on other creatures?
I'm not saying its intentional, it just happens in the course of their trying to make a meal out of those other animals, that's all.
Seems to be the natural order of things, so to speak, so who are we humans to question that natural order?
@@PleaseDontEatAnimals I second your comment (thirty-two-year vegan).
Martha Nussbaum is correct! All sentient beings have a right to live out their lives as the being they are. It is preposterous that we humans are more intelligent than other animals. Really? If we are so intelligent then why are we destroying our planet, creating wars against other countries, and so on and so forth. I can imagine a world where we respect and coexist with all living beings including our sacred mother earth. "Open Mind" is a wonderful idea and series, thanks, Ari!
I totally agree 💯👍
I believe that other animals should have as much right to live their lives on this planet as humans do, and these rights should be respected.
So while we shouldn’t respect animals for the benefit of humans, I think if we considered the effect of our actions on the habitats of other animals, humans would also benefit. We’d have cleaner water, cleaner air, and our habitats would be more in tune with nature and healthier for us. We humans do so much harm to ourselves when we consider us to be separate from the animal kingdom. Beneficial natural habitats are as critical for us as for all other animals on the planet. So many of our habitats and habits are unnatural, but in contemplating what other animals need to thrive I hope we realize how much their needs and ours coincide.
have u donated to homeless shelters? disabled vets? until they prosper not 1 animal should have more rights than they
@@mjkay8660 We don't have to choose one or the other, we can care about human and nonhuman animals simultaneously. That will benefit both actually, for instance if we weren't bringing billions of land animals onto the planet every year, we could give the grain and water consumed by these animals to the 45,000 people who starve to death *every single day*. 😥
Agree with all that you wrote! ♥️
Dog & other Animal abusers need to be held accountable.
Imagine a world where humans weren't allowed to hurt other animals. It would make the world almost bearable.
Serial killers murder dogs and cats first. They are the most innocent and helpless.💔
i appreciate this presentation. glad it's gotten its own coverage, instead of just the usual brief mention. for some people this is not a revelation. there is no need to ascribe 'human' qualities or 'intelligence' to non-human animals to determine if they are worthy of rights. they ALL have rights to be who they are with no scientific investigation. it's just humans that mess this up.
Human beings: Nature's worst mistake.
not 1 animal is a person, but many persons are animalistic
💯 agree! 👍
Given we are the most dominant species on this planet, we should have some amount of responsibility for the other animals.
Agreed
Dominant doesn't imply "the most fit" to dominate. On the contrary!
Does anyone (besides myself) ever wonder why the 45th president has never loved an animal? Never had a pet, or let his children have a pet? What kind of person hates them so much? 🧐
@KING CONDOM III Being allergic to an animal is not the same as hating the animal. I can't eat gluten. I don't hate gluten products. I am not a 'bird person'. I don't have any birds in my home. I still appreciate the birds. I like to see them. I don't want to see them hurt. I don't compare people I don't like to birds.
I don’t think he hates animals. I think he doesn’t have the ability to love. I don’t think he even loves himself. He only has a wounded self hate that he masks with inflated self promotion.
I have always told my children that we are the most violent animal on earth. We are not the smartest animal, just the most violent!
I pray for a time when we can live in loving harmony with nature and all it's gifts.
AngelEagle44- I do as well but with all the carnivores in the world, I doubt animals will ever gain rights. Such a pity. ALL life deserves to be allowed to live in harmony and thrive.
Keep in mind that you are part of nature, integral to it and inseperable from it, just like all of us.
Like someone already said: prayer does nothing, we need to act.
Thank you Ari ❤️
I'm all for recognizing that animals are sentient beings. ❤️
Same!
corporations are not people!!!
a corporation can not be sent to prison
a corporation has an entirely different tax status and regulations
since they exist in different realities, they are not the same
I loved this segment! Thanks Ari for compassion for the living planet.
Compassion is where it's at! 😍
As a wildlife rescuer this is the best story and would hope it was adopted all over the world. If we don't speak up for animals they have no hope cause they can't speak for themselves. Everyone and everything should have rights. Thank you for this program.
I have a thing against rodeos. I have seen a movies where they rope them from the neck and throw the calf in the ground for points and money I guess! I hope someday people stop doing that for entertainment and price money!
I would add that running over squirrels is wrong.
Thank you for speaking up for and caring for nonhuman animals. 😍💖
@@jetta2134 I used to protest rodeos when I lived near Denver, CO. It's all part of the animal agriculture industry--teaching people to see animals as objects who are there for people's pleasure, be it the pleasure of this so-called entertainment or the pleasure of their taste buds. So sad what we humans do to other animals...
If a corporation can be called a person, why not a living breathing being who helps people in all situations, for the blind, for people with other disabilities, for veterans, for protection, and of course companions for families and their children who learn how to care for them which teaches them how to care for themselves and their fellow citizens.
Yes, all animals should be respected much more than corporations.
Good discussion and about time. thanks
That's why I'm vegan.
Once you realize the hypocrisy of loving and living with some animals, and then paying other humans to forcibly breed, commodify, torture and then slaughter others.. at the same time realizing that you've always known that animals have their own personalities just like we do you realize maybe for the first time that the survival instinct is an absolute imperative in every living being and the animals want to live and be loved and feel safe and not live in fear and pain~just like us.. And that is when you do everything you can think of not to contribute to any of that torturous, inhumane cycle anymore.
@kingcondomiii4379 What the heck are you talking about? Much Love, A Vegetarian Since 1997
Well done, Ari. About time this issue and debate made it into the mainstream media. We need to recognize, in law, that the Earth is the home to other species besides ourselves, and that we humans must be better stewards of the planet.
I was so psyched to see he was covering this topic! Will be interesting to see what future topics come up on Open Mind.
Excellent commentary Ari. It’s about time this situational was dealt with and the title of the new segment is perfect. Open mind. Speaking of whales, who remembers the movie, Star Trek, The Voyage home?
It's the best one and then Wrath of Khan is the second best.
Absolutely right 👍💯😪
What we need is an Ameglian Cow, like what Douglas Adams wrote about:
It appeared in the television adaptation of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy in the second novel, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe, and in the sixth novel, And Another Thing...
The Ameglian Cow (also referred to as the Dish of the Day) was one example of a race of artificially created, sentient creatures which were bred to want to be eaten.
So yeah, that's what we need and then we can finally sidestep all of these annoying questions once and for all!
Ms Naussbaum’s book sounds absolutely fascinating. On my ‘to read’ list for sure. Thank you Ari, great intro topic for your new series. 👏👏👏👏👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼🥰🥰🥰
This issue has been my lifelong dream.. I never thought it would be discussed like this as if we could ever do this for the animals. If only… if only… probably not in my lifetime. Sigh. Maybe there’s hope.
It is great to see it being discussed in the mainstream. Kudos to Ari!
I believe animals do experience pain I saw a pig sacrificed when I was a child and I still remember how scared the animal was I am a vegan because of that experience I felt the animals pain and I have no words to describe what I felt sad very sad 😢
Sacrificed? Like to the devil?
Do you believe an Antelope has the "right" to not be eaten alive by a pride of Lions?
@@pegasus5287 when you killed an animal is sacrificed period no matter if you eat it or feed to the crocodile 🐊 any animal
@KING CONDOM III Lord Mercy
I used to have a pet chicken. When I got home, I would go out back and when she spotted me she would come running as fast as she could, I’d open my arms and she would run into my arms for a long hug. I stopped eating chicken bc of her and stopped eating all animal products soon after. She was a beautiful soul ❤
Reminds me of an interview I heard years ago with our former Australian High Court Justice Michael Kirby where he predicted that animal rights and animal justice would soon become among the most significant social change since the likes of LGBTQ rights. Thanks Ari for your prescience in highlighting.
Now there is an Animal Justice Party represented in the NSW parliament.
@@violimo indeed there is and I’m a party member. 👍
Ari, I don’t know how to thank you for this. She has expressed something I’ve been saying for years. To see it from someone of your position is golden. 💛
Yes, I do like this "new series". Let's see some more please. Thank you Ari.
Bravo, Ari! Thank you
It is beyond time to explore Roderick Nash’s “The Rights of Nature”. Ari, please expand this so necessary conversation.
This was a fascinating interview and REALLY interesting. Thank you
We're all beings. Beings have feelings, nervous systems, they feel pain, fear, joy, attachment.
This is Ari Melber's best segment ever. Only one criticism, Ari refers to humans and animals, but humans are animals, so to distinguish between us is to creates a false hierarchy.
He also spoke of humans’ relationship to “other animals.”
@@u.synlig I noticed that too. 👍 Made me happy.
My late dear wife used to say "Dogs are too good for people." We had a poodle mix that had an uncanny ability to interact with us. I hope we can save this planet for all creatures before it goes beyond our capabilities.
This is a great piece. imagine that, having an open mind about new ideas?!
Thank you, Ari and MSNBC
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Love this show. Thank you for talking about this subject!
A “being” would work. We are human beings, they are animal beings. Or another word that encompasses them all
Animals don't naturally participate in ideological systems - their 'work' is to be a part of global ecosystems, of which humans are one species, but which we are the only species to destroy & render extinct entire ecosystems, species & indeed whole cultures & races of our own species.
Animals
We have a word that encompasses us all...animals. That includes us.
FANTASTIC show
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all sentient creatures are entitled to certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Maybe it's time for an update.
If we keep moving in this direction, maybe someday even all human beings will attain these worthy goals. We can have a dream, can't we?
Octopus are really intelligent, with what appears to be a wholly alien intelligence.
I think they are technically mollusks.
I support this 1000%-- over-emphasis on human rights and little to no regard for animal rights. Animals and humans are interconnected. They are entitled to be on an equal playing field as humans
In a legal sense, would this mean changing laws to allow people emotional distress in court for a pet vs. a pet viewed as property?
Thank you Ari so much for this❤
Note to Professor Nussbaum: Cuttlefish, octopuses & squid are all molluscs. They are very intelligent & participate in highly sophisticated visual communication including lying. Something that we can argue displays a 'theory of mind.' An example: A male squid will display interest - "Hello baby." - on the side of his body presented to a female of interest, while showing disinterest or aggression, to other males on the other side of his body. Pretty sophisticated stuff! 😉
OMG, me too! I love love love elephants! 🐘
Excellent discussion! Very forward thinking, and appropriately titled "Open Mind."
WOW. Thank you for this Ari.
Thank You for this wonderful spotlight on Animals Rights🦥🌎🦦
Yes Ari. I completely agree that we are failing at protecting the animals we share the planet with. All we have to do is look at the ever growing list of endangered species. It's all our doing and all within our ability to reverse. But I don't know if we can get there. I mean we can't even seem to agree on something as fundamental as the consistent destruction of our planet with fossil fuel.
I doubt we'll ever convince everyone, but our individual choices do make a difference. Thanks for being a caring person. ♥️
Cows, Elephants, chickens, salmon ALL NEED TO BE TREATED RIGHT!
Trump had no pets. Another thing that makes him vile.
Excellent conversation
I'm going with sentience as a cutoff point. If an animal can express some variety of interiority, sense of presence, recognization as self as different from their environment, and acknowledgement of surroundings that can be communicated to each other, are important as markers. Every day we see/hear about animals grieving, showing affection to one another, protect one another, show fairness toward one another, recognizing oneself in a mirror. They have some higher order of thinking and that's important! As Peter Singer asks, "Can they suffer?" Can they understand the passage of time and that the pain can cease? Important questions.
Yes, the question for me is "can they suffer?" If so, I want no part of it and definitely don't want to put money into that horrific system of animal abuse/murder.
Even earthworms have been shown to respond to the companionship of other earth worms. Plants do better when they are loved and talked to. It's going to be hard to pass laws about something so spiritual, but let us try any way.
This was an amazing segment, Ari! Thank you for starting up this new series -- it just further exemplifies why you and your program are one of the best parts of cable news!
Really interesting! Great opportunity for self reflection as ‘human’ beings, and animal beings.
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Not that we're going to survive long enough, but of course we will recognize that we're barbarians to the other animals.
Animals are sentient beings with a soul. I get it. I became an animal advocate and vegan about 6 years ago. My life feels more fulfilled.
Ari mentions mollusks. Do you agree with the professor that they are not sentient?
Congrats on becoming vegan! For me it was a few decades ago and I know it is the best decision I've ever made. Thank you for being a caring person! ♥️🤗
Unfortunately, we do not have meaningful laws against cruelty to farm animals. Whatever weak, scarce laws there may be are not enforced. A lot of cruelty to farm animals is perfectly legal. such as cutting off body parts without anesthesia. If someone treated a dog the way farm animals are routinely treated the person would be arrested.
The cognizant dissonance we all live with, knowing our existence and habits promote enormous suffering on the animals we share he world with… we have lived with this discord all our lives. It’s in our power to stop the suffering as much as possible.
I dedicate my life to alleviating the suffering. Thank you for being a caring person! 😍
I prefer Haas saying obligation over rights. We have obligations for the greater good including animals and all of the Planet.
Animals are more like people than corporations, although the Supreme Court would disagree.
The State of Arizona has rights for animals. A report of animal abuse is investigated by Police. If abuse is proven the person is arrested and they are tried, and many times, they're given jail time the animal is rescued and given a new life.
Ok. I love all animals and I think we all have rights, but we all do realize that right now in the US, women have less rights than unborn fetuses?
Cops who shoot dogs who can’t pose a deadly threat to them should be prosecuted.
Native American believe that Everything Not just humans 🥰including Rock😍
Giving all animals the right to representation sounds crazy but… let us open our minds about it. Love this new series, Ari. Just curious, have you got an animal living with you??? 20:42
Thank you Ari! Please do more on important issues such as this; it so important to our lives and for our planet to have in depth understanding...and especially on how we treat our nonhuman animals.
I don't believe in pet ownership, but I accept dogs as terrific pets. I'd like to see our species stop attacking animals, and their habitats. Stop attacking knowledge of the natural world. Being wise is a noble life goal.
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Yes Ari you are so right about that 👍 💯 👏
Why do people think that giving rights to other entities reduces their rights when actually expanding rights for others increases our rights!
Great first show. The topic is talked about nowhere near enough. In the mainstream or elsewhere.
Thank you for airing this Ari. Every day I pray for animals to be afforded the same rights as humans. I never imagined I would see this type of discussion on mainstream media so soon! You have a great show, I love how you are always so open minded, compassionate and respectful to those whom you interview. I look forward to seeing more on your Open Mind segment , great idea. Keep up the good work.
This woman is empathic but biased. Cultures do still eat whale meat. Norway, Iceland, Alaskan cultures and Japan.
Birds are only birds? Corvids are problem solvers.
Octopus are mollusks. They can feel pain. They are also problem solvers. Their physical structure allows them to do amazing things.
She kind of slid right past the animals we eat. Pigs are as smart as dogs.
No animal should be mistreated or chained, and be given ample room to live and good food to live.
Kids need to learn how to respect animals from other humans who respect them. Not sure laws can do that very efficiently. But I support animal rights, fully. When I was a child I was lucky to have a grandmother who adored animals. I learned, very young, that animals are "people" too. Better people than most people, really. It's no secret that kids who torture and abuse animals will go on to do the same things to humans they perceive as "lesser than" themselves when they become adults.
It would be great if school curriculums would include lessons about compassion towards all animals. I'm certain there would be less bullying and school shootings if that were the case.
Brilliant. @ 11:48 she said the most important fact.
I've spent my whole life fighting for rights for animals. What's so surprising about it? But thanks to Ari its being discussed thank you Ari😸
We are on the same page. Thank you for speaking up for animals! 🐣♥️
It would behoove us to value the animals we share the planet with; value, cherish, respect. Cruelty to any animal is wrong. We need to protect their habitats, set aside land for them, to live sustainably with them.
Agree with Ms. Nussbaum! Many animal I've known, domestic and wild ones, are smarter than many humans I've known. PhD.
I'm not an ornithologist but I am concerned about the bird population. There has been a decline of 3 Billion in recent years.
Totally agreed
I agree with expanding the rights of all sentient beings. Loved this segment and the discussion.
If corporations can enjoy the rights of being a "person" then animals certainly should.
Strange…
But i love the talk and pro vs cons and its right that animals need more protection. Much more. We know most animals are more intelligent than the typical MAGA voter.
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Only humans are dumb enough to believe government is going to represent their rights. Doesn't just apply to the right wing.
This makes me think of a comment from Neil DeGrasse-Tyson about man talking to aliens. We share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees but we can't hold a conversation with one. How could we possibly talk to an alien being?
We can talk to chimps you know sign language, and dogs can now communicate with us with words. Look up All About Bunny here on TH-cam.
We should (& many want & see the logic in) be(ing) good roommates to our co-inhabitants here on Earth. It isn't just humans' home
What does that mean know about morals, if he doesn't believe that the other Earthlings sharing the planet with us, deserve protection from us ( the only ones large scale harmony them)
Thank you Thank you Thank you for this series!
Compltely agree with Martha Nussbaum. We would be more compassionate, empathetic, humane, when we treat animals better.
if we can treat animals better, have more kindness, compassion and empathy, then maybe we have a chance at treating each other better
Thank you, Ari for giving a voice to animals and those working to protect them from cruelty!
Octopus are in the Phylum Mollusca. 10:40 They're highly evolved and can feel pain similar to that of vertebrates.
Better stewards of our world. The more links lost in the chain of life the poorer we become. One link could be the one that dominos life as we know it into the end leaving only stone and wind to remember what was. We need to be better stewards.
I often wonder how many animals die in tha oceans due to military drills n practice. Pretty sure they at least have tha worst migraines ever n often probly die bcuz of it. People- r just tha worst
Another argument that can be made for more reluctant people is that animal protections like sentences for pet murder help to protect humans too. In many abusive situations, pets are used as leverage to force the victim to stay, because they can’t bring them with them to shelters. If you could be charged for the same sentence you’d be charged for murdering another person, then that could protect the pet or at the very least, land the monster in jail so that his other victims are safe.
Thank you for having Martha Nussbaum, my fave philosopher.
Cool show!
Well done for opening your new series with this topic. I thought the opening segment, when Ari highlighted historic social changes which seemed unthinkable at the time, was well done and did prompt viewers to consider the issue with an 'open mind'. I would have to argue though with Ari's comment that animals are protected by law and the implied suggestion that what Prof Nussbaum was proposing was over and above this. On the contrary, most animals (for instance, farmed animals) are not protected and need laws just to ensure their right to life and respect. What is being proposed isn't extreme, it's essential.
We still don't treat all humans humanely. Let's care for all refugees then revisit this.
you can care about more than 1 issue at the same time. its not mutually exclusive -- if we treat all species with kindness, compassion, empathy and respect, dont you think that would mean humans too?
Animal Rights Now!!!
This conversation is altering my brain chemistry. Humanity has caused regretful extinctions, so "adverse impacts" is not hard to understand. What is immoral abuse of animals is in eye of beholder. Expect howling disapprovals from hunters, meat industries, etc., inflicting horrors.
Oprah might have some words of wisdom on the subject of howling meat industries.