I think the message was clear from RFK Jr, support the independent farmer and produce optimal healthy animals for human consumption. Until that happens more and more people will continue to kill and grow their own food. By all means support the farmer who can deliver quality food.
I think RFK JR Was on point honestly. Ownership vicariously through contracts and infrastructure on your land is soft neofuedalism. When an Oregon investment company buys hundreds of acres in eastern iowa far above what we can afford/ac. rent it, control the practices and rent prices, its just another example.
@@ginenelafontaine8343 Lol, no shit. If keeping corrupt and captured alphabet agencies and corrupt corporations accountable is radical, then count me in because that is what RFK Jr. has spent his life doing. Monsanto was his biggest win imho, proving that their garbage Roudup ready contributes to the development of non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma cancer. For so long Monsanto has bullied farmers with the GMO seed patents, lied about poisoning our food, our water and our soil with their herbicide and gotten away with it until RFK Jr. held them accountable and people act like he's some sort of radical? Lol.
I do agree with what I have heard Bobby say! I don't agree with cramming any animals in the warehouses the way they did and I do not want to buy any foods that has anything to do with China! He is for local farmers and our foods being healthy and safe which is what I totally agree with.
What a great discussion/commentary! I know NOTHING about agriculture and farming. I found this video because I am supporting RFK, Jr's candidacy and I watch and listen to EVERYTHING i can find on him - good, bad, or indifferent. I dont agree with his positions on everything, but the sense I get from listening to him is that he is passionate about the issues that are important to him, that he doesn't talk about topics that he isn't informed on, and that he is absolutely willing to hear any and all knowledge - especially info that might cause him to update or change his take on a subject. Reach out to him. Have a conversation. So many of us would listen intently to a discussion between the 3 of you. Amazing things can happen when these bridges are built!
Much easier to bad mouth someone, especially when you've no intention of voting for them, but instead voting for Trump. You can see them declare they are voting for Trump right here on July 19th 2024, albeit after this video was made, but there's a plethora of other republican centered videos on the channel. th-cam.com/video/F8Lj74MsFuk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EQCMr_Ve6Raj6F_c&t=2706
As a veteran, RFK jr is the best candidate of my lifetime. The Dem Party of my youth was a party of peace and free speech, and bodily autonomy. Now, it is a party of Wall Street, forever wars, censorship, lockdowns and forced vaccinations. RFK jr is going to keep rising in the polls. The US needs better leaders in both parties.
RFK Jr is the best Dem candidate currently, but IMHO not the best candidate by far. At least he refreshes the classical liberal values to the Dem party.
Your views reflect good business practices, technological advantage deployment and also the dangerous development of monopoly capital fused with factory farming. It has the potential to ruin land, embolden big corporate control of our food supply and threaten national sovereignty security. I like your views on a "middle ground" and that demands a national project to confront government and negotiate the future of sustainable farming. The agenda should be a serious discussion on environmental externalities, well reasoned limits on growth, level of ownership holdings, market fairness, subsidies that are fair, guaranteed credit for competent owners and a futures farm market that serves sustainable farming and a fair return on work and investment. I don't find Kennedy really opposing your interests by virtue of the fact he made some causality mistakes. I do agree that unchecked factory farming in terms of foreign ownership and monopoly control is the biggest issue only dewarfed by nuclear de-escalation. Thanks for your insights.
@@bthemediaHe has to run as one of the main parties otherwise it would be 10x harder to get on the ballots. Independents have to get 800k signatures to get on the ballot vs 60k.
@@andrewdocrotten3485 He is not wrong about not cramming animals together like they showed! He is right about humane treatment, safe feed, safe foods and I don't want any foods that has anything to do with China. He spoke out in behalf of the farmers in the Netherlands and he is all for local farmers. It's the w. e. f. that wants to get rid of them all.
You guys were absolutely right he got the nuance of the story he told wrong. But have you ever heard a politician so knowledgeable about these issues? He knows something about your industry and can speak about it intelligently. Intelligent people get things wrong but he is paying attention.
The moral of the story is raising hogs in buildings is not right. It’s completely inhumane. When you say “buildings” it sounds benign. But the type of torture chambers in confinement hog buildings is straight out of a horror movie. Why are you defending it? If this is your industry, I wish you well sleeping at night.
Get big or go under sucks. We use to milk 25 cows. My grandfather started the farm in 1944. By 2014 the dairy really didn’t want to pick up our milk anymore. They would rather go pick up 500 1000 2500 5000 cow farms. They forced us out. We were doing good for the land we had. Sucks when it happens to you.
Get RFKJ on the show. As others have said, he’d be more than willing to come on and have a conversation. Here’s the big thing about him, he’s willing to learn and change his opinions. Educate him, maybe he’ll educate you too.
He is an honorable man, and it appears to me, that he "may" have experienced something that you are unaware of if he spent "20yrs" suing the factory pig farms. You can't be that busy if you are wrong for that period of time. He is much older than you and it sounds like you got the story from your good old boy's network which may be just gossip. I don't know, but all you have to do, is have him on your show to address it and either you or he will straighten each other out and he will admit he was wrong, but I seriously doubt it if he sued factory farms he must have won because why would you do it over a 20-year period of time? Seems like a Trump tactic to try and discredit him if that's YOUR boy.
@@patrickspellman8758 Right, because getting your Bachelor of Laws is a piece of cake and successfully suing giant corporations like Monsanto is a walk in the park.
Hello gentlemen! Full disclisure: I am a Canadian ex-farmboy, a pastor now. My brothers run the family beef farm. I only pay some attention to USA politics....God be with your country. May it not get as screwed up as Canada! In general, I agree with you that politicians can grow a huge platform from only a grain of truth. All of that said, there is a bigger issue at play. (1) food is too cheap; farmers are not paid adequately for what they do; the margins are too tight. (2) This has led to larger and larger farms, whether family owned corporations or owned by other shareholders. (3) This is really no different than what has happened with other manufacturers. Where once there was a 100, then there were 10, then 3. (Eg, automotive sector or hog processing plants.) The problem with that is the average person is just an employee with no chance of ever being anything else but a person who can't compete with "the 3". In practice what I'm saying is this. Can someone in the USA start a family owned hog slaughtering plant...grow it from killing 5 hogs per day up to 50, etc? It can't be done in Canada. This leads to poor communities and a breakdown within capitalism and democracy. In the community I have been serving as pastor for the last 15 years, we've watched the fruit and vegetable processing plants close and move to the USA. Why? We still growing the same fields of crops? The trucking companies which hauled for these farms reduced from 5 to 1. Why, same about of crops? What about the farms? 50 years ago a 100 acre fruitor vegitable farm was family run an HUGH. Today, it is a 2000+ acre corporation with the family's name as a label. What's the end result? The farm is paid less; the trucker is paid less, and the farmer hires migrants from Mexico and the Caribbean to work the fields because they have to pay them less. You may not like being called a serf but if you are not on today, then praise God and head the warning!
Hmmm, he's the only 2024 presidential candidate, I know of, talking about farming. Had a great agricultural roundtable video that increased my admiration for farmers tenfold.
Thank you all very much for the information. I’m a lifelong Republican who is pretty impressed with RFK Junior. I actually posted the video that you guys are talking about by RFK Junior on my Facebook page. He is being interviewed by everybody and there’s no shortage of information that he’s putting out. It’s good to hear your side of the story.
Would you please talk about why you don’t think regenerative agriculture will work in certain places. I completely agree with RFK that the fall of the family farm is not in Americas interest.
Rather than getting "pissed off" & attacking RFK Jr's character & integrity, invite him on your show to address your concerns & where you think he's way off. He's publicly said if someone can tell/show him where he got it wrong with facts to back it up, he will change his views/position. If he got it wrong, he'll admit it. Invite him on your show to address your concerns about what he stated that you believe or know is incorrect. Regarding the "serf" comment that you're so offended by... and "pisses" you off, his point was that in order for many small family farms to survive and stay in business, they basically have to sign these contracts & put up hog buildings or go out of business. Is that true or not true? He's passionate about the environment, and he's been a successful activist for the health of the planet, people, and animals. He wants to make agriculture policy one of his top priorities, and currently having roundtable discussions with farmers & listening to what their facing. To my understanding, he is extremely sympathetic to the challenges small farmers face & wants to strengthen their independence & success. It would be smart on your part to share your views & experiences with him that he's unaware of and educate him on what's missing from his knowledge base on the subject. He also may be aware of some things you are not on the subject or Wendell Murphy. He has a team of over 300 fact checkers made up of doctors, medical & scientific researchers & attorneys.
They’re so offended by the “serf” comment that they missed the fact that the relationship they describe between themselves and the finishing plants is serfdom. What happened in agriculture is exactly what happened in retail with Amazon. Huge giant corporations can out price small business and decimate the economic landscape. “You can’t blame Wendell Murphy for wanting to build a business” no but we can halt monopolies in an industry, and indeed we must.
You can bet Kennedy has chosen his team of 'fact checkers' very carefully. If he had not done so, and was the person he wants you to think he is, he would have turned away from the global warming cult long ago.
@@ChrisDeSautell-pw1co I think you have a good idea. Write to his campaign staff & suggest it. Also, if Kennedy is presented with empirical facts & info he didn’t have before, he will admit to being wrong & change his view based on the facts.
Well, I guess I am from the "stone ages" because I remember when animals were treated like living, breathing beings, sheltered but with access pasture; in fact, I was raised on one of those farms. To return agriculture to those days would be to restore the small family farm AND the environment. Big agri-business has only been around for just under three-quarters of a century. Not so long a time that we can't reclaim what we lost when government sold out to big business, when banks colluded to oust family farmers to make straight big-ag"s corporate path, and when lethal products were mass-produced for genetically-altered crops.
I was engaged by RFK in his campaign group. He asked me to send him a direct message. He engaged me on my opinions for 2 hours, he asked me how my family is.and took my number. So he can continue to engage me on the road. Patrick Bet David said the exact same thing. He's legit and wants his supporters opinion and is willing to examine them for potential and flaws. His tactics are noble. If you gentlemen engage RFK about these concerns he will listen. You won't get that from any other candidates RFK ALL THE WAY!!
Soil health too, and local ecosystems, we've just adopted amp grazing this year and I'm already seeing great results, the wildlife is like crazy and we don't waste so much money on feed and have alot of spare time now
You know, the best part of RFK Jr. is that, when you have a disagreement on a policy or subject matter in your industry, you can reach him out on his town halls and showcase your opinions. What’s best about him is that if he believes your views are best compared to his, he’d look into it and find a proper solution. What politician does that? Especially a presidential candidate with a name like Kennedy. Try it out and see if you can talk to him or his team about your view point.
Yes, by far tries his best to do his research and think carefully. These guys might have half the story, you can't sue factory farms for 20 years and not be right in some way, right?
I agree with a lot of these comments. Reach out to him! He is not afraid to admit mistakes and wants to know the real deal. Give the man a chance. I love what you said about using your dollar to make a change. There is always a more complex reality to these things. I appreciate hearing your side.
He's not a politician ! He's a very committed environmental lawyer dedicated to make your and my world better ! Show some respect for the hard work he has given to the conversation .he's not the bad guy.
I am seeing this for the first time but have always been interested in agriculture (grew up o a dairy farm in wisconsin and lost it like everyone else to corporate farms ). Has higher concentration (fewer players) ever made long term life for those players better ? Everything in the grocery store is corn.....
The stone-ages style is most appealing to me. At the end of the day large scale isnt a problem if there is enough man power to ensure real health of the animal. I just dont want to eat an unhealthy animal. In our family we buy organic meat because we dont want to eat chemical pesticides like roundup or eat animals that ate plants that had roundup on Them. A lot more people are learning about glyphosate and how it is a significant poison to humans and all living things. The Murphy connection makes sense because 3% of stock is still enough to compromise a regulator, who did de-regulate that industry. So that connection is valid. I think it makes sense, that an initial idea of industrialization to farming probably came from industry versus coming from a guy on the farm. The farmer still made the choice, but he probably had some nudging.
Small local ag. As organic as you can. Since the USDA has claims to “revenerative” and “prime” “pasture raised” and “grass fed”. Can’t label my meats any of that. Not that it isn’t it’s because the USDA owns those terms😂😂😂 I’ll process and be a bandit until I’m dead! No artificial fertilizers no “Black Cow manure”. My own pigs and my own chickens manure. The chickens are in a tractor/shelter. It’s moved every day. I don’t need to feed the world, just my community.
I love RFK. I also like you, and your show, and think you should be able say what you want. I don’t think anyone should tell you how to farm either. It’s the consumers right to buy whatever agriculture products they want. It’s about them. Not you and me. I happen to like round up, because it’s far less harmful than most herbicides. It also makes it easier for farmers to incorporate less harmful tillage practices. I think it’s a great tool for transitioning to better farming methods. But why you guys fight tooth and nail to be dependent on things from off the farm to be successful, and criticize other peoples efforts to break free of the chains, never ceases to blow my mind. We’re normal, average, thriving farmers. Real acres, all the tech, full circle. I do me, you do you, and let the chips fall where they may. Im not a fan of the organic movement. We turned 1/3 of the planet in to wasteland with sharp sticks and draft animals. Organically. While I am certified across the board with every label their is, I cringe at all the mold board plowing that organic farmers are doing. What a huge leap backwards. I’ve met RFK Jr. most of what he is against is using round up in a way that it is detectable in breast milk of mothers. Like using it to dry down cereal crops. It can be used properly and be totally undetectable in food products, ground water and water ways. It’s safer than water for humans, but not io the bugs in our guts and our soil. We depend on these micro organisms to survive. Nature is pretty tough, soil biology can take a little round up and brush it off. But human beings have a longer life cycle. It has yet to be determined how it is going to effect us over the long term.
Thank you so much for educating me a bit on all of this. I know only what media shows in the screwed perspective and according to the chosen embraced narrative. There are different perspectives and I hope that RFK JR listens to you and expands his understanding. I believe he will course adjust as he sees the complexity of each of the issues he hopes to improve. Like I think you indicated, there needs to be a balanced approach to help improve the farming industry and livelihood. Again, thank you, and I hope you will continue to follow his journey and hopefully he will gain your support.
I think you all offer some great perspective. I would like to hear you tackle the topic of North American soil fertility, or lack there of from tilling and monocropping. The question isn't who's a serf or not, it's can the soil support the current system into the future. Without ruminant grazing, can the soil support corn harvest for the next 100 years? There's some that say we have 50-60 harvests left before fertilizer costs make any production unprofitable. Not to mention the industrialized food chain necessary to make current practices profitable.
I don’t know the exact number, but in the U.S. we only use 10% of our income on food. People complain about the system, but they wont give up their money to fix it.
Thank You guys for sharing this topic. The family farmer's perspective is not heard nearly enough anymore. I suspect many farmers are afraid to speak up because you get bashed. My only criticism of this session is that if your language and the "f" bomb was not used like it was, this video should be shown in every agriculture class in America. Thank You for speaking up!
I didn’t take his comments that he was against the hog industry in general. I felt he was definitely against the big packers control who has pushed the industry to where it is now. Maybe I just heard what I wanted to. I for sure appreciated his comment of saying how the pork industry went away from family owned control and how that was a bad thing. I would agree with that statement fully. Once you remove the local family farmer ownership component from the process, you lose a lot. We all know where that ends up. Not saying gov needs to control who wins and loses, but when you have the gov fully in the pocket of your big packer corps, which are for a large part not even domestic anymore, it’s just as bad. RFK is a politician unlike many you have seen for a long time. He seems like a person who does actually care for people, actually has understanding about many subjects, and would not bow to the institutions that control gov now. If you want to compare him to Trump I would say he is actually more anti establishment, anti war, and pro American. I know Trump has an extremely loyal following but make the actual comparison and tell me if I’m wrong.
I absolutely agree with Bobby on not cramming any animals into warehouses like that! Humane practices, safe feed, safe foods and no foods that has anything to do with China! He spoke out in behalf of the farmers in the Netherlands, too, so he's not against farmers like the w. e. f. is! I won't even get started on why I won't vote Trump LOL
40:30 😂 “contract hog farming” else “no/less family farms”!?!? Contract hog farming is essentially NOT family farming… the family does not OWN their own farm, livestock and produce… they are just satellites of the mega-corporate industrial farm.
58:40 Solution: Moink Box, Good Ranchers, etc. direct farm to consumer. Simple fact is most people (who can afford it) WANT to buy ethical, organic and family farmed (vs industrial farmed) meats but want the convenience of buying in a local store.
I come from the Dairy industry. Always hearing about factory farms it got me to thinking where does it become a factory farm? My answer and my opinion is when we starting grouping animals or lineing up the cows for more efficient feeding and milking..
I think you should explain the 5 year look back, the cost of nursing homes and essentially the break-even as to why it is actually cheaper to pay the nursing home and maintain a family inherited farm, rather than have to sell the farm to pay the nursing home.
Have you invited him on the show yet? He is always willing to hear people... I think he would like to talk with people with your experience and viewpoints.
RFK is not just a politician without knowing what he is talking about. He has a lot of worthwhile knowledge including these topics. If you have issues, invite him on and talk to him directly. You might be surprised. He actually just did a great interview (available on his channel) with an Amish man about farming so I'm sure he would sit with you too. And in the interview I listened to just sounded to me that dislikes the corporate control of farms and how they're causing harm to those farms, the public, and the environment. I've never heard him being extreme on any subject, including this. I think if you feel this strongly, seriously, talk to him. Because I think you were saying a lot of the same things he did in the interview I heard. I think it would benefit you and everyone to hear it. And he is always open to different perspectives and changing his mind. You have an opportunity to do good things.
52:00 Key Summary - these farmers “don’t 100%” love the industrial-serf contract farming model… but they benefit from it so they accept it. (Can’t bite the hand that feeds) Many financially well off families & customers would like to buy organic, ethical, family farmed meats but lowest cost + convenience of farm-industrial complex (like military-industrial complex) make that competition near impossible under current legal, logistics, business and economic challenges. Solution: Moink Box 📦
58:40 Better solution: Families / Customers contract with “family farms” directly for meat and produce, paying a premium for a premium (non-industrial) product. Moink Box 📦 and Good Ranchers, etc.
can understand how you take the 'serf' idea personally - cause yeah it does seem logical in many ways and is providing a great life - the 'serf' part may be about the amount of control you have over what you're doing - also seems like alot of what you say happened in your experience is very similar to what JFK says is happening - traditional farms moved to factory farming - got big - price crashed - families sold out - corporate models grew - farm size ballooned - automation took over - and here we are today - owned by the chinese
Robert F Kennedy junior was speaking up for independent farmers. You should ask him for a discussion on your show . You ended up vouching for a lot of what he said . When he called you surfs he was sticking up for you . Personally I do vote with my dollars and I don't buy or eat animals that have been kept in factory farms but it sounds like you didn't care about how the pigs were feeling out in the mud outside either before factory farms . RFK is not a fabricator. You should have a discussion with RFK , he'd talk to you .
Like you have both said RFK Jr. is a Lawyer/Politician. He may be a good Lawyer but is certainly no farmer. That being said I watched the Jimmy Dore interview and RFK had some very material facts wrong on a bunch of issues. I think he is basically a good man but he is only as good as the people he listens to.
All of this industry will collapse with out government subsidies!! The farmer always backs the government/big ag because that’s who writes their checks.
I think that you are not taking the full perspective into view when you say it’s the market only who took most of the farmers out. The market was and is being manipulated by those big players. I don’t think there is a malevolent goal to eliminate farmers, but there is a drive to manipulate profits to the bigger players and your primary farm is always a “price taker” they have no control over the price of their commodities and inputs. Everyone has their hand in the primary producers pocket. RFK making a political comment that glossed over many details of how things actually went down is not as dangerous as you make out. If nothing else it allows an opportunity to educate a huge swath of the population of the actual history that you guys have just done quite well. He spun it in a way that fits his narrative but tell me another federal politician that has even acknowledged they know the pork industry is anything more that bacon on a plate.
Give Joel Salatin a listen. Just hear him out for 30 minutes…. If it even takes that long. It’s the science. It’s the facts it’s the necessity of regenerative Ag.
@@TnMtnFarm my ch ok em is $2-$3 a lb depending on what breed/how big of a chicken you’re looking for. I’m not in it to make millions. I sell chicks, pork, chicken, fruit and vegetables. Next year we are introducing turkeys for next Thanksgiving and possibly meat rabbits. We are starting a website to make it easier to find us and buy our products and services. There is far more to it than a bag of grain and selling a cleaned chicken.
Great show guys. Just a couple things I'd like to add is that, 1 packers offered to sell feeder pigs with contracts guaranteeing prices, cargil and others supply feed, at that time packers weren't allowed to process there own animals. 2 when the government changed the law to that they could process a high percentage of their own animals was a major factor.
You can argue details about who started what style of hog farming. But that’s not the point of what RFK was really getting at. Smaller independent family farms vs enormous industry run by China. Also, no one likes their own system to be critiqued, but confined animal operations, while very simple, are pretty inhumane systems that produce a low quality meat and have a lot of waste. Y’all act like regenerative farming is some fringe BS that can’t work. Meanwhile people are crushing it with regenerative Ag, producing top quality meat, improving pastures and grazing land, building soil, getting a higher price for the product and having a direct relationship with the consumer without all the middle men. I mean, why not improve our system? Why not do regenerative agriculture? In an age of information, the only excuse for not doing it is being stuck in your ways, or not being intelligent enough to handle a system with slightly more variables. Goes for the same with large scale regenerative crop production too. Check out Steve Groff and his no till systems. He produces a wide variety of crops (not just corn and soy) and is doing bad ass work. Many others like him. Want to have a ground breaking podcast? Have people on your show that push you to be better farmers. Remember, before the “green revolution” and introduction of synthetic herbicides and fertilizers, this country produced WAY more of its own food and did so with cultivating tractors, animal manures, and more people involved in agriculture. I’m not saying we should go back in time, but with the wisdom, knowledge, and tools we have now, combined with the wisdom knowledge and tools of the past, we can produce way more of our own foods in increasingly regenerative ways and really boost the American economy and American health. RFK JR 2024
I am all for voting with your dollars, and look forward to a discussion wwith RFK and yourselves. I think you young gentleman are smart enought to see we are in trouble in this country as farmers and residents in Germany are now.
Really awesome prospective on this subject. I work in the cannabis industry in Michigan, and there is a similar dynamic between regenerative agriculture and hydroponics. I think the important thing is to acknowledge the pros and cons of both systems. I would love to be in regenerative ag but the job opportunities are in hydroponics. We need to acknowledge our sin in the less green side of the industry while at the same time acknowledging the benefit in production to both the consumer and producer. I will be listening in again 👍👍👍
Yes, let’s ignore the ecological and health impacts of industrial hog farming in flood prone areas of coastal nc. Farming is an occupation and lifestyle of stewardship, not exploitive Dominion for maximum financial gain. If your buyer decided to shut down or quit buying from you, would you have an outlet for all of your animals and are you still on the hook to pay for these expensive houses? If there was a massive crop failure limiting feedstuff or a lack of available antibiotics or meds to keep these animals healthy, can you still support your animals in this system? Sounds like you and most farmers are at the mercy of these packers and the prices they set. And FYI, It’s not going back to the Stone Age, it’s working with and mimicking natural systems and not exploiting our naturals resources with maximum productivity as the number one focus.
Have him on. The main root to the problems in this country with all business, is the dying dollar. When there is a root disease, plow it up and start over. All cures are painful.
How is RFK having support for famipy farms and increasing the longevity of our soils a bad thing? Like this description makes no since, iv seen regenerative farming it works! You just gotta think oitside the box and as farmers that our job everyday!
Thank you for your informative podcast and I I have a question …..have you confronted rfk jr. directly with your arguments; perhaps it is a case of insufficient information that he has gotten? Having followed him for a while now I don’t think he’d back off from a discussion (as opposed to other politicians) but if he does that should be broadcasted because farmers are super important all over the world. …and I do think he is the best candidate at the moment… Btw although I don’t eat pork for personal reasons I only buy my beef and poultry locally….tastes better.
Major issue not addressed by RFK or this show - at least before I lost interest and clicked off because I’ve never seen such a concerted effort not to get to the fucking point - the FDA dictates how and where an animal can be slaughtered. This is the regulatory chokepoint. So if you want to sell meat, you need an USDA approved butcher for that sticker that allows you to sell your meat to anyone besides you immediate family, which is expensive, so it has to be a pretty large facility to justify the full time inspector. As a result, like 4 companies quickly cornered the market and from there, they followed the natural order of vertical integration to save costs, streamline logistics and beat out the little guy. They now collectively own almost the entire supply chain - the feed production, the starter stock, the farms (directly or by contract), the slaughter houses, and then contracts to the supermarkets. There’s almost zero competitive innovation as a result because there’s no diversity to the business model, and - as was the case during COVID - any disruption that would ordinarily be a ripple becomes a tidal wave. The same concept is why we only have 3-4 major companies in any sector: automobile sales, airlines, oil companies, telecommunications, and the list goes on. This is by design - fewer big companies are actually easier to regulate and control than tens of thousands of little guys; so, they just ratchet up the regulatory pressure until only a few survive, and then they can control them easily.
From northern WI, my daughter moved to Spencer lowa. Would be interested in hearing about the lowa fairs including the clay co fair. Enjoy coming down and enjoying the fairs, up here all the farm equipment is gone, it's all lawnmowers.
Wonder where RFKjr got his information from & did he just accept it as truth or bother doing any research? Enjoy the show, just wish there was a foul language bleeper…really unnecessary
RFK is an environmental lawyer with 500 law suits winning clean soil, air and water for the American people. He knows his stuff and the people who are restoring the land
I agree with both of you through experience. I get red hot reading some of these delusional comments. Everybody is is Google genius. You guys are doing great things!!!
I appreciate you clearing up the comments Kennedy made on this subject and would love to see you have him on to talk about the industry and farmers across this great nation of ours and i am sure Kennedy would love to listen to what you and other's in the industry have to say about trying to make things better for all Americans. That being said i hope you dont let this deter you from considering him as easily the best candidate I personally have seen since i have had the age to vote (turning 40) and look into all the topics he hopes to help this great nation with. Lets unite our people as Americans and work toward a better future. #kennedy24
Gents, your arguments against RFK summary ring hollow. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it” [Upton Sinclair].
I think your right. As you explained it from a pork standpoint. same thing happened in the dairy industry in 80s and 90s. It might have started in the 70s but i was to young to know. This really makes me look at Jr in a different light. I guess he's the lawyer lol
Has anyone considered the end consumer here, like the one who actually is the whole purpose of it all? It’s food that people eat, sustain life and become our biology. Who advocates for the consumer getting sub par nutrition and chemical contamination from corporate agriculture? Yea money is made from the industry, and arguing about advantages to farmers and who gets the money etc. At the end of the day the person who is most important is the eater. No one is protecting THEIR interests. Just because people want to afford food that’s ok to make it less healthy? Food needs to contribute to people’s health first and the current corporate captured food chain system with their corrupt food production laws, and easy money model system is producing some pretty low quality nutrition. Who is going to care about the health of the eater? Vote with dollars?? Sorry but the laws make it difficult if not illegal to buy food directly from the chosen grower in the same way as it’s offered through the chain into the local grocery store. Just look at the food raids in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Persecuting Amish farmers who customers love. Getting shut down because people exercise their food buying choices, voting with their dollar. Since when can you find your neighbors meat in your local grocery store? It’s pretty hard to vote with dollars if it’s not there to choose. Corporate influenced or owned usda plants are the only way to legally sell food. It’s rigged so the little family farm can’t get food directly to the one who eats it independently from these corporate food chains and plants. You can’t even use state inspected processors anymore. Yes they do own the farmer because they own the laws and the whole food chain from farm to fork. Rfk and others want to cut chains to make an alternative way for the most important party, the end consumer, to have cleaner more nutritious less industrial choices to vote for.
The point I want to make is all the positives you talked about like equity in your buildings you would have had in the past PLUS you would be completely independent and own the capital of your animals as well. We don't really have capitalism today we have chronyism or crapitalism or just plain old corruption.
Agree with what others have said. He’s the real deal 💯 You absolutely should get the guy on here to get some clarification, instead of just going off one clip you saw. Think y’all misunderstood him. He’s pro America thru & thru - thinks the American farmer should be able to make a decent living feeding us, in a way that’s healthy to people. Stop subsidizing massive corporations, foreign nationals & billionaires, but instead to the TRUE independent family farmers & ranchers that produce quality & healthy food for the American people. Not an expert with this, so I’m sure there’s factors I’m not aware of. That’s why I suggested you bring ping him on & just have a real, no BS convo with him. Think he’d be all for that. There is a big problem with our food system & how big factory farms are operating, effecting the health of ourselves, our children & national security as a whole. Food is only a piece of that puzzle of many reasons for that, non the less an important one. As a 40 something year old that’s had an autoimmune disease & couple chronic diseases that’s disabled me for close 20 years & is greatly affected by what & how I eat - it’s one of the reasons I support him. Can’t even afford the food medically necessary for my health. I’m just one of millions of Americans greatly affected by this. It’s literally life & death for many of us, so it’s really incredible to see a leader willing call this stuff out & smart enough to know how to get it done. He’s not about forcing people to do anything or shoving his beliefs on anyone. Just to present the facts, question things & to have a debate about all the things & best way to get done. Think he brings common sense back to our country. He’s definitely earned my respect & vote!! Love he’s willing to go against the grain, stand up for what he believes & usually able to back it up. But humble enough to look into it further, listen to other s & admit when he’s wrong. He care about the truth, not being right. Exactly the kind of man we need lead our country - for US the American People 🇺🇸 ❤️💙🤍
Your comment about the sprinkles, and just enough truth to finish story and make it seem realistic is something plenty of other people have said about him when he talks about vaccines and autism.
Kennedy 2024. Its not crazy to want a safe environment lol. Read his platform or listen to Bobby speak anywhere other than corporate news stations amd you will see. No need to hide under your bed. We can want beauty and truth in our nation. Kennedy 2024.
I think the message was clear from RFK Jr, support the independent farmer and produce optimal healthy animals for human consumption. Until that happens more and more people will continue to kill and grow their own food. By all means support the farmer who can deliver quality food.
I think RFK JR Was on point honestly. Ownership vicariously through contracts and infrastructure on your land is soft neofuedalism. When an Oregon investment company buys hundreds of acres in eastern iowa far above what we can afford/ac. rent it, control the practices and rent prices, its just another example.
Neofuedalism is exactly what it is!
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the Chinese or à US oligarch are the same
Get RFK on. He’s not a liar.
He's a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's a radical environmentalist
@@wcm68tn How can anyone be a radical environmentalist? Either on wants a clean environment or they don't care.
@@ginenelafontaine8343 Lol, no shit. If keeping corrupt and captured alphabet agencies and corrupt corporations accountable is radical, then count me in because that is what RFK Jr. has spent his life doing. Monsanto was his biggest win imho, proving that their garbage Roudup ready contributes to the development of non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma cancer. For so long Monsanto has bullied farmers with the GMO seed patents, lied about poisoning our food, our water and our soil with their herbicide and gotten away with it until RFK Jr. held them accountable and people act like he's some sort of radical? Lol.
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I do agree with what I have heard Bobby say! I don't agree with cramming any animals in the warehouses the way they did and I do not want to buy any foods that has anything to do with China! He is for local farmers and our foods being healthy and safe which is what I totally agree with.
Exactly, 58:40 need to vote with our dollars to buy direct from family farms. Moink-Box
Hope you bought a box from these guys!
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What a great discussion/commentary! I know NOTHING about agriculture and farming. I found this video because I am supporting RFK, Jr's candidacy and I watch and listen to EVERYTHING i can find on him - good, bad, or indifferent. I dont agree with his positions on everything, but the sense I get from listening to him is that he is passionate about the issues that are important to him, that he doesn't talk about topics that he isn't informed on, and that he is absolutely willing to hear any and all knowledge - especially info that might cause him to update or change his take on a subject. Reach out to him. Have a conversation. So many of us would listen intently to a discussion between the 3 of you. Amazing things can happen when these bridges are built!
Exactly
Much easier to bad mouth someone, especially when you've no intention of voting for them, but instead voting for Trump.
You can see them declare they are voting for Trump right here on July 19th 2024, albeit after this video was made, but there's a plethora of other republican centered videos on the channel.
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As a veteran, RFK jr is the best candidate of my lifetime. The Dem Party of my youth was a party of peace and free speech, and bodily autonomy. Now, it is a party of Wall Street, forever wars, censorship, lockdowns and forced vaccinations. RFK jr is going to keep rising in the polls. The US needs better leaders in both parties.
RFK Jr is the best Dem candidate currently, but IMHO not the best candidate by far. At least he refreshes the classical liberal values to the Dem party.
You better get your eyes checked then. Because he's NOT what you are claiming he is.
Your views reflect good business practices, technological advantage deployment and also the dangerous development of monopoly capital fused with factory farming. It has the potential to ruin land, embolden big corporate control of our food supply and threaten national sovereignty security. I like your views on a "middle ground" and that demands a national project to confront government and negotiate the future of sustainable farming. The agenda should be a serious discussion on environmental externalities, well reasoned limits on growth, level of ownership holdings, market fairness, subsidies that are fair, guaranteed credit for competent owners and a futures farm market that serves sustainable farming and a fair return on work and investment. I don't find Kennedy really opposing your interests by virtue of the fact he made some causality mistakes. I do agree that unchecked factory farming in terms of foreign ownership and monopoly control is the biggest issue only dewarfed by nuclear de-escalation. Thanks for your insights.
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@@bthemediaHe has to run as one of the main parties otherwise it would be 10x harder to get on the ballots. Independents have to get 800k signatures to get on the ballot vs 60k.
Get RFK on the show
I’m sure he’d be more than open to come on and have a conversation. Good thing about him is he admits when he’s wrong and he’s open minded
@@andrewdocrotten3485 He is not wrong about not cramming animals together like they showed! He is right about humane treatment, safe feed, safe foods and I don't want any foods that has anything to do with China. He spoke out in behalf of the farmers in the Netherlands and he is all for local farmers. It's the w. e. f. that wants to get rid of them all.
@@JustMe-ec2phyea, as a farmer myself I don’t know why people would have a problem with that clip they showed.
@@jlkkauffman7942 I hope things are going well for you with your farm! So many struggle.
Revenue streams depend on political compliance.
You guys were absolutely right he got the nuance of the story he told wrong. But have you ever heard a politician so knowledgeable about these issues? He knows something about your industry and can speak about it intelligently. Intelligent people get things wrong but he is paying attention.
Just because he is democratic doesn't mean he is bad he is hated by the democratic establishment
The moral of the story is raising hogs in buildings is not right. It’s completely inhumane. When you say “buildings” it sounds benign. But the type of torture chambers in confinement hog buildings is straight out of a horror movie. Why are you defending it? If this is your industry, I wish you well sleeping at night.
Get big or go under sucks. We use to milk 25 cows. My grandfather started the farm in 1944. By 2014 the dairy really didn’t want to pick up our milk anymore. They would rather go pick up 500 1000 2500 5000 cow farms. They forced us out. We were doing good for the land we had. Sucks when it happens to you.
Get RFKJ on the show. As others have said, he’d be more than willing to come on and have a conversation. Here’s the big thing about him, he’s willing to learn and change his opinions. Educate him, maybe he’ll educate you too.
I have learned a lot from his talks!! He is brilliant. We would be so fortunate to have him as President.
That snake would spontaneously combust if he were within a 50 foot radius of someone who has ever done a good days work.
He is an honorable man, and it appears to me, that he "may" have experienced something that you are unaware of if he spent "20yrs" suing the factory pig farms. You can't be that busy if you are wrong for that period of time. He is much older than you and it sounds like you got the story from your good old boy's network which may be just gossip. I don't know, but all you have to do, is have him on your show to address it and either you or he will straighten each other out and he will admit he was wrong, but I seriously doubt it if he sued factory farms he must have won because why would you do it over a 20-year period of time? Seems like a Trump tactic to try and discredit him if that's YOUR boy.
@@patrickspellman8758 Sounds like you don't know much about his life. It appears that you are saying that because he came from a wealthy family.
@@patrickspellman8758 Right, because getting your Bachelor of Laws is a piece of cake and successfully suing giant corporations like Monsanto is a walk in the park.
Invite RFK on your show. You might just get edgumacated. There's RFK has said alot more about the subject
Invite RFK on the show! He's by far the best candidate out there, don't throw out the baby with the bathwater... 😳🐖
Hello gentlemen!
Full disclisure: I am a Canadian ex-farmboy, a pastor now. My brothers run the family beef farm. I only pay some attention to USA politics....God be with your country. May it not get as screwed up as Canada!
In general, I agree with you that politicians can grow a huge platform from only a grain of truth.
All of that said, there is a bigger issue at play. (1) food is too cheap; farmers are not paid adequately for what they do; the margins are too tight. (2) This has led to larger and larger farms, whether family owned corporations or owned by other shareholders. (3) This is really no different than what has happened with other manufacturers. Where once there was a 100, then there were 10, then 3. (Eg, automotive sector or hog processing plants.)
The problem with that is the average person is just an employee with no chance of ever being anything else but a person who can't compete with "the 3". In practice what I'm saying is this. Can someone in the USA start a family owned hog slaughtering plant...grow it from killing 5 hogs per day up to 50, etc? It can't be done in Canada.
This leads to poor communities and a breakdown within capitalism and democracy.
In the community I have been serving as pastor for the last 15 years, we've watched the fruit and vegetable processing plants close and move to the USA. Why? We still growing the same fields of crops? The trucking companies which hauled for these farms reduced from 5 to 1. Why, same about of crops? What about the farms? 50 years ago a 100 acre fruitor vegitable farm was family run an HUGH. Today, it is a 2000+ acre corporation with the family's name as a label. What's the end result? The farm is paid less; the trucker is paid less, and the farmer hires migrants from Mexico and the Caribbean to work the fields because they have to pay them less.
You may not like being called a serf but if you are not on today, then praise God and head the warning!
Hmmm, he's the only 2024 presidential candidate, I know of, talking about farming. Had a great agricultural roundtable video that increased my admiration for farmers tenfold.
RFKJ WAS RIGHT ON. Thanks for showing that clip. Nothing to dispute.
Thank you all very much for the information. I’m a lifelong Republican who is pretty impressed with RFK Junior. I actually posted the video that you guys are talking about by RFK Junior on my Facebook page. He is being interviewed by everybody and there’s no shortage of information that he’s putting out. It’s good to hear your side of the story.
Problem is they miss WHY prices tanked
Would you please talk about why you don’t think regenerative agriculture will work in certain places. I completely agree with RFK that the fall of the family farm is not in Americas interest.
I agree the consumer can help a ton with their dollar. But I think 95% of consumers don't know who's behind every brand and when they change hands....
Rather than getting "pissed off" & attacking RFK Jr's character & integrity, invite him on your show to address your concerns & where you think he's way off. He's publicly said if someone can tell/show him where he got it wrong with facts to back it up, he will change his views/position. If he got it wrong, he'll admit it. Invite him on your show to address your concerns about what he stated that you believe or know is incorrect.
Regarding the "serf" comment that you're so offended by... and "pisses" you off, his point was that in order for many small family farms to survive and stay in business, they basically have to sign these contracts & put up hog buildings or go out of business. Is that true or not true?
He's passionate about the environment, and he's been a successful activist for the health of the planet, people, and animals. He wants to make agriculture policy one of his top priorities, and currently having roundtable discussions with farmers & listening to what their facing. To my understanding, he is extremely sympathetic to the challenges small farmers face & wants to strengthen their independence & success.
It would be smart on your part to share your views & experiences with him that he's unaware of and educate him on what's missing from his knowledge base on the subject. He also may be aware of some things you are not on the subject or Wendell Murphy. He has a team of over 300 fact checkers made up of doctors, medical & scientific researchers & attorneys.
Thank you for sharing. I 100% agree.
They’re so offended by the “serf” comment that they missed the fact that the relationship they describe between themselves and the finishing plants is serfdom. What happened in agriculture is exactly what happened in retail with Amazon. Huge giant corporations can out price small business and decimate the economic landscape. “You can’t blame Wendell Murphy for wanting to build a business” no but we can halt monopolies in an industry, and indeed we must.
You can bet Kennedy has chosen his team of 'fact checkers' very carefully. If he had not done so, and was the person he wants you to think he is, he would have turned away from the global warming cult long ago.
Maybe RFKJ should include actual agriculture producers on his "fact checker" staff.
@@ChrisDeSautell-pw1co I think you have a good idea. Write to his campaign staff & suggest it.
Also, if Kennedy is presented with empirical facts & info he didn’t have before, he will admit to being wrong & change his view based on the facts.
Well, I guess I am from the "stone ages" because I remember when animals were treated like living, breathing beings, sheltered but with access pasture; in fact, I was raised on one of those farms. To return agriculture to those days would be to restore the small family farm AND the environment. Big agri-business has only been around for just under three-quarters of a century. Not so long a time that we can't reclaim what we lost when government sold out to big business, when banks colluded to oust family farmers to make straight big-ag"s corporate path, and when lethal products were mass-produced for genetically-altered crops.
The US would starve if not for modern Agriculture. The simple, old time farms cannot produce enough food supply for our growing population.
I was engaged by RFK in his campaign group. He asked me to send him a direct message. He engaged me on my opinions for 2 hours, he asked me how my family is.and took my number. So he can continue to engage me on the road. Patrick Bet David said the exact same thing. He's legit and wants his supporters opinion and is willing to examine them for potential and flaws. His tactics are noble. If you gentlemen engage RFK about these concerns he will listen. You won't get that from any other candidates RFK ALL THE WAY!!
Regenerative ag may not be able to compete but it’s far superior in quality and nutrient density.
Soil health too, and local ecosystems, we've just adopted amp grazing this year and I'm already seeing great results, the wildlife is like crazy and we don't waste so much money on feed and have alot of spare time now
You know, the best part of RFK Jr. is that, when you have a disagreement on a policy or subject matter in your industry, you can reach him out on his town halls and showcase your opinions. What’s best about him is that if he believes your views are best compared to his, he’d look into it and find a proper solution. What politician does that? Especially a presidential candidate with a name like Kennedy. Try it out and see if you can talk to him or his team about your view point.
Yes, by far tries his best to do his research and think carefully. These guys might have half the story, you can't sue factory farms for 20 years and not be right in some way, right?
Modern chemical farms have destroyed the earth's soil. Maybe I should get my toddler a chemistry set.
RFK is rhe best candidate either way. I think he was legitimately trying to point out Smithfield is China which is very scary.
Like your perspective, still voting RFK jr though
Get rfk on the show he knows what he is talking about
He can fake it really well.
I agree with a lot of these comments. Reach out to him! He is not afraid to admit mistakes and wants to know the real deal. Give the man a chance. I love what you said about using your dollar to make a change. There is always a more complex reality to these things. I appreciate hearing your side.
As someone who lives in the Burbs, YOU are a leading voice for yourself and I appreciate your takes 100%
Was born in 1971 my dad built a 400 sow farrow to finish barn. In 1978 He used to say the better feed conversion payed for the barn
He's not a politician ! He's a very committed environmental lawyer dedicated to make your and my world better ! Show some respect for the hard work he has given to the conversation .he's not the bad guy.
And you've also been part of the problem ! Own it dudes.
I am seeing this for the first time but have always been interested in agriculture (grew up o a dairy farm in wisconsin and lost it like everyone else to corporate farms ). Has higher concentration (fewer players) ever made long term life for those players better ? Everything in the grocery store is corn.....
The stone-ages style is most appealing to me. At the end of the day large scale isnt a problem if there is enough man power to ensure real health of the animal. I just dont want to eat an unhealthy animal. In our family we buy organic meat because we dont want to eat chemical pesticides like roundup or eat animals that ate plants that had roundup on Them. A lot more people are learning about glyphosate and how it is a significant poison to humans and all living things.
The Murphy connection makes sense because 3% of stock is still enough to compromise a regulator, who did de-regulate that industry.
So that connection is valid.
I think it makes sense, that an initial idea of industrialization to farming probably came from industry versus coming from a guy on the farm. The farmer still made the choice, but he probably had some nudging.
He's never gone after the American farmers. He's the only one who has stood up for farmers. Have him on to debate with facts and evidence.
Thanks guys. Y’all make the day even better when y’all put up another video. Have a blessed day 🙏🏻
Small local ag. As organic as you can. Since the USDA has claims to “revenerative” and “prime” “pasture raised” and “grass fed”. Can’t label my meats any of that. Not that it isn’t it’s because the USDA owns those terms😂😂😂 I’ll process and be a bandit until I’m dead! No artificial fertilizers no “Black Cow manure”. My own pigs and my own chickens manure. The chickens are in a tractor/shelter. It’s moved every day. I don’t need to feed the world, just my community.
You should invite him on to converse about the topic
I love RFK. I also like you, and your show, and think you should be able say what you want. I don’t think anyone should tell you how to farm either. It’s the consumers right to buy whatever agriculture products they want. It’s about them. Not you and me.
I happen to like round up, because it’s far less harmful than most herbicides. It also makes it easier for farmers to incorporate less harmful tillage practices. I think it’s a great tool for transitioning to better farming methods. But why you guys fight tooth and nail to be dependent on things from off the farm to be successful, and criticize other peoples efforts to break free of the chains, never ceases to blow my mind.
We’re normal, average, thriving farmers. Real acres, all the tech, full circle. I do me, you do you, and let the chips fall where they may. Im not a fan of the organic movement. We turned 1/3 of the planet in to wasteland with sharp sticks and draft animals. Organically. While I am certified across the board with every label their is, I cringe at all the mold board plowing that organic farmers are doing. What a huge leap backwards.
I’ve met RFK Jr. most of what he is against is using round up in a way that it is detectable in breast milk of mothers. Like using it to dry down cereal crops. It can be used properly and be totally undetectable in food products, ground water and water ways. It’s safer than water for humans, but not io the bugs in our guts and our soil. We depend on these micro organisms to survive. Nature is pretty tough, soil biology can take a little round up and brush it off. But human beings have a longer life cycle. It has yet to be determined how it is going to effect us over the long term.
Thank you so much for educating me a bit on all of this. I know only what media shows in the screwed perspective and according to the chosen embraced narrative. There are different perspectives and I hope that RFK JR listens to you and expands his understanding. I believe he will course adjust as he sees the complexity of each of the issues he hopes to improve. Like I think you indicated, there needs to be a balanced approach to help improve the farming industry and livelihood. Again, thank you, and I hope you will continue to follow his journey and hopefully he will gain your support.
I think you all offer some great perspective. I would like to hear you tackle the topic of North American soil fertility, or lack there of from tilling and monocropping. The question isn't who's a serf or not, it's can the soil support the current system into the future. Without ruminant grazing, can the soil support corn harvest for the next 100 years? There's some that say we have 50-60 harvests left before fertilizer costs make any production unprofitable. Not to mention the industrialized food chain necessary to make current practices profitable.
What makes me so mad , is they NEVER asked the american people if that is what they wanted !!
I don’t know the exact number, but in the U.S. we only use 10% of our income on food. People complain about the system, but they wont give up their money to fix it.
Reach out to him and hammer it out
That’s why God made a farmer
Thank You guys for sharing this topic. The family farmer's perspective is not heard nearly enough anymore. I suspect many farmers are afraid to speak up because you get bashed. My only criticism of this session is that if your language and the "f" bomb was not used like it was, this video should be shown in every agriculture class in America. Thank You for speaking up!
I didn’t take his comments that he was against the hog industry in general. I felt he was definitely against the big packers control who has pushed the industry to where it is now. Maybe I just heard what I wanted to. I for sure appreciated his comment of saying how the pork industry went away from family owned control and how that was a bad thing. I would agree with that statement fully. Once you remove the local family farmer ownership component from the process, you lose a lot. We all know where that ends up.
Not saying gov needs to control who wins and loses, but when you have the gov fully in the pocket of your big packer corps, which are for a large part not even domestic anymore, it’s just as bad.
RFK is a politician unlike many you have seen for a long time. He seems like a person who does actually care for people, actually has understanding about many subjects, and would not bow to the institutions that control gov now. If you want to compare him to Trump I would say he is actually more anti establishment, anti war, and pro American. I know Trump has an extremely loyal following but make the actual comparison and tell me if I’m wrong.
Don’t be fooled he’s 1000% is against the hog industry his water keepers alliance has sued hundreds of individual hog farm owners in NC
I absolutely agree with Bobby on not cramming any animals into warehouses like that! Humane practices, safe feed, safe foods and no foods that has anything to do with China! He spoke out in behalf of the farmers in the Netherlands, too, so he's not against farmers like the w. e. f. is! I won't even get started on why I won't vote Trump LOL
Lol RFK is fucking anti freedom, he supports gun bans and is anti 2a
TLDW: Lots of rambling but not really countering the facts and points RFK made, just talking more about the historical context of the hog industry.
40:30 😂 “contract hog farming” else “no/less family farms”!?!? Contract hog farming is essentially NOT family farming… the family does not OWN their own farm, livestock and produce… they are just satellites of the mega-corporate industrial farm.
58:40 Solution: Moink Box, Good Ranchers, etc. direct farm to consumer.
Simple fact is most people (who can afford it) WANT to buy ethical, organic and family farmed (vs industrial farmed) meats but want the convenience of buying in a local store.
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I come from the Dairy industry. Always hearing about factory farms it got me to thinking where does it become a factory farm? My answer and my opinion is when we starting grouping animals or lineing up the cows for more efficient feeding and milking..
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This reminded me of Paul Harvey what's the rest of the story. We need more of both sides
I think you should explain the 5 year look back, the cost of nursing homes and essentially the break-even as to why it is actually cheaper to pay the nursing home and maintain a family inherited farm, rather than have to sell the farm to pay the nursing home.
Have you invited him on the show yet? He is always willing to hear people... I think he would like to talk with people with your experience and viewpoints.
Have Kennedy on your show 😊
RFK is not just a politician without knowing what he is talking about. He has a lot of worthwhile knowledge including these topics. If you have issues, invite him on and talk to him directly. You might be surprised. He actually just did a great interview (available on his channel) with an Amish man about farming so I'm sure he would sit with you too. And in the interview I listened to just sounded to me that dislikes the corporate control of farms and how they're causing harm to those farms, the public, and the environment. I've never heard him being extreme on any subject, including this. I think if you feel this strongly, seriously, talk to him. Because I think you were saying a lot of the same things he did in the interview I heard. I think it would benefit you and everyone to hear it. And he is always open to different perspectives and changing his mind. You have an opportunity to do good things.
Reccomendation to all listeners: change playback speed to 1.5 or 1.75x. It's much more interesting because you get the ideas faster.
52:00 Key Summary - these farmers “don’t 100%” love the industrial-serf contract farming model… but they benefit from it so they accept it. (Can’t bite the hand that feeds) Many financially well off families & customers would like to buy organic, ethical, family farmed meats but lowest cost + convenience of farm-industrial complex (like military-industrial complex) make that competition near impossible under current legal, logistics, business and economic challenges.
Solution: Moink Box 📦
58:40 Better solution: Families / Customers contract with “family farms” directly for meat and produce, paying a premium for a premium (non-industrial) product. Moink Box 📦 and Good Ranchers, etc.
can understand how you take the 'serf' idea personally - cause yeah it does seem logical in many ways and is providing a great life - the 'serf' part may be about the amount of control you have over what you're doing - also seems like alot of what you say happened in your experience is very similar to what JFK says is happening - traditional farms moved to factory farming - got big - price crashed - families sold out - corporate models grew - farm size ballooned - automation took over - and here we are today - owned by the chinese
Robert F Kennedy junior was speaking up for independent farmers. You should ask him for a discussion on your show . You ended up vouching for a lot of what he said . When he called you surfs he was sticking up for you .
Personally I do vote with my dollars and I don't buy or eat animals that have been kept in factory farms but it sounds like you didn't care about how the pigs were feeling out in the mud outside either before factory farms .
RFK is not a fabricator. You should have a discussion with RFK , he'd talk to you .
Like you have both said RFK Jr. is a Lawyer/Politician. He may be a good Lawyer but is certainly no farmer. That being said I watched the Jimmy Dore interview and RFK had some very material facts wrong on a bunch of issues. I think he is basically a good man but he is only as good as the people he listens to.
You mean like top tier scientists and experts?
His book on vaccines has 2000 footnotes of research. No one has tried to sue him because it’s all facts. RFK has real integrity and a brilliant mind.
All of this industry will collapse with out government subsidies!! The farmer always backs the government/big ag because that’s who writes their checks.
I think the more I learn about what RFK JR is going to bring, I think it's the best thing for the small family farm in decades.
I think that you are not taking the full perspective into view when you say it’s the market only who took most of the farmers out. The market was and is being manipulated by those big players. I don’t think there is a malevolent goal to eliminate farmers, but there is a drive to manipulate profits to the bigger players and your primary farm is always a “price taker” they have no control over the price of their commodities and inputs. Everyone has their hand in the primary producers pocket. RFK making a political comment that glossed over many details of how things actually went down is not as dangerous as you make out. If nothing else it allows an opportunity to educate a huge swath of the population of the actual history that you guys have just done quite well. He spun it in a way that fits his narrative but tell me another federal politician that has even acknowledged they know the pork industry is anything more that bacon on a plate.
Give Joel Salatin a listen. Just hear him out for 30 minutes…. If it even takes that long. It’s the science. It’s the facts it’s the necessity of regenerative Ag.
Have you priced out meat like Joel grows? I do that same kind of system and most of my neighbors cannot afford to bu from me.
@@TnMtnFarm my ch ok em is $2-$3 a lb depending on what breed/how big of a chicken you’re looking for. I’m not in it to make millions. I sell chicks, pork, chicken, fruit and vegetables. Next year we are introducing turkeys for next Thanksgiving and possibly meat rabbits. We are starting a website to make it easier to find us and buy our products and services. There is far more to it than a bag of grain and selling a cleaned chicken.
Great show guys. Just a couple things I'd like to add is that, 1 packers offered to sell feeder pigs with contracts guaranteeing prices, cargil and others supply feed, at that time packers weren't allowed to process there own animals. 2 when the government changed the law to that they could process a high percentage of their own animals was a major factor.
Great show except all the unneeded and unnecessary F bombs. Invite RFK on the show.
I don’t know shit about farming but I’m learning like crazy now
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Invite him on
You can argue details about who started what style of hog farming. But that’s not the point of what RFK was really getting at. Smaller independent family farms vs enormous industry run by China. Also, no one likes their own system to be critiqued, but confined animal operations, while very simple, are pretty inhumane systems that produce a low quality meat and have a lot of waste. Y’all act like regenerative farming is some fringe BS that can’t work. Meanwhile people are crushing it with regenerative Ag, producing top quality meat, improving pastures and grazing land, building soil, getting a higher price for the product and having a direct relationship with the consumer without all the middle men. I mean, why not improve our system? Why not do regenerative agriculture? In an age of information, the only excuse for not doing it is being stuck in your ways, or not being intelligent enough to handle a system with slightly more variables.
Goes for the same with large scale regenerative crop production too. Check out Steve Groff and his no till systems. He produces a wide variety of crops (not just corn and soy) and is doing bad ass work. Many others like him. Want to have a ground breaking podcast? Have people on your show that push you to be better farmers.
Remember, before the “green revolution” and introduction of synthetic herbicides and fertilizers, this country produced WAY more of its own food and did so with cultivating tractors, animal manures, and more people involved in agriculture. I’m not saying we should go back in time, but with the wisdom, knowledge, and tools we have now, combined with the wisdom knowledge and tools of the past, we can produce way more of our own foods in increasingly regenerative ways and really boost the American economy and American health.
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I am all for voting with your dollars, and look forward to a discussion wwith RFK and yourselves. I think you young gentleman are smart enought to see we are in trouble in this country as farmers and residents in Germany are now.
A locker spends about half an hour skinning a pig. At the plant they scald them about 20 a minute
Really awesome prospective on this subject. I work in the cannabis industry in Michigan, and there is a similar dynamic between regenerative agriculture and hydroponics. I think the important thing is to acknowledge the pros and cons of both systems. I would love to be in regenerative ag but the job opportunities are in hydroponics. We need to acknowledge our sin in the less green side of the industry while at the same time acknowledging the benefit in production to both the consumer and producer. I will be listening in again 👍👍👍
Yes, let’s ignore the ecological and health impacts of industrial hog farming in flood prone areas of coastal nc. Farming is an occupation and lifestyle of stewardship, not exploitive Dominion for maximum financial gain. If your buyer decided to shut down or quit buying from you, would you have an outlet for all of your animals and are you still on the hook to pay for these expensive houses? If there was a massive crop failure limiting feedstuff or a lack of available antibiotics or meds to keep these animals healthy, can you still support your animals in this system? Sounds like you and most farmers are at the mercy of these packers and the prices they set. And FYI, It’s not going back to the Stone Age, it’s working with and mimicking natural systems and not exploiting our naturals resources with maximum productivity as the number one focus.
Have him on. The main root to the problems in this country with all business, is the dying dollar. When there is a root disease, plow it up and start over. All cures are painful.
How is RFK having support for famipy farms and increasing the longevity of our soils a bad thing? Like this description makes no since, iv seen regenerative farming it works! You just gotta think oitside the box and as farmers that our job everyday!
Great episode guys keep it up
Thank you for your informative podcast and I I have a question …..have you confronted rfk jr. directly with your arguments; perhaps it is a case of insufficient information that he has gotten?
Having followed him for a while now I don’t think he’d back off from a discussion (as opposed to other politicians) but if he does that should be broadcasted because farmers are super important all over the world.
…and I do think he is the best candidate at the moment…
Btw although I don’t eat pork for personal reasons I only buy my beef and poultry locally….tastes better.
Major issue not addressed by RFK or this show - at least before I lost interest and clicked off because I’ve never seen such a concerted effort not to get to the fucking point - the FDA dictates how and where an animal can be slaughtered. This is the regulatory chokepoint. So if you want to sell meat, you need an USDA approved butcher for that sticker that allows you to sell your meat to anyone besides you immediate family, which is expensive, so it has to be a pretty large facility to justify the full time inspector. As a result, like 4 companies quickly cornered the market and from there, they followed the natural order of vertical integration to save costs, streamline logistics and beat out the little guy. They now collectively own almost the entire supply chain - the feed production, the starter stock, the farms (directly or by contract), the slaughter houses, and then contracts to the supermarkets. There’s almost zero competitive innovation as a result because there’s no diversity to the business model, and - as was the case during COVID - any disruption that would ordinarily be a ripple becomes a tidal wave.
The same concept is why we only have 3-4 major companies in any sector: automobile sales, airlines, oil companies, telecommunications, and the list goes on. This is by design - fewer big companies are actually easier to regulate and control than tens of thousands of little guys; so, they just ratchet up the regulatory pressure until only a few survive, and then they can control them easily.
From northern WI, my daughter moved to Spencer lowa. Would be interested in hearing about the lowa fairs including the clay co fair. Enjoy coming down and enjoying the fairs, up here all the farm equipment is gone, it's all lawnmowers.
Hey the views are starting to pick up boys I like it. Keep up the grind💪💪
Thanks boss! Appreciate the support!
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Wonder where RFKjr got his information from & did he just accept it as truth or bother doing any research? Enjoy the show, just wish there was a foul language bleeper…really unnecessary
RFK is an environmental lawyer with 500 law suits winning clean soil, air and water for the American people. He knows his stuff and the people who are restoring the land
I agree with both of you through experience. I get red hot reading some of these delusional comments. Everybody is is Google genius. You guys are doing great things!!!
I would ask, do you think that Big Ag is looking out for the best interest of our farmers and country?
Great episode.
I appreciate you clearing up the comments Kennedy made on this subject and would love to see you have him on to talk about the industry and farmers across this great nation of ours and i am sure Kennedy would love to listen to what you and other's in the industry have to say about trying to make things better for all Americans. That being said i hope you dont let this deter you from considering him as easily the best candidate I personally have seen since i have had the age to vote (turning 40) and look into all the topics he hopes to help this great nation with. Lets unite our people as Americans and work toward a better future. #kennedy24
Thanks!
Just got my Ups notification for my Farmer grade Pork... can't wait 😊😊
Invite Bobby there, learn something
Gents, your arguments against RFK summary ring hollow. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it” [Upton Sinclair].
I think your right. As you explained it from a pork standpoint. same thing happened in the dairy industry in 80s and 90s. It might have started in the 70s but i was to young to know. This really makes me look at Jr in a different light. I guess he's the lawyer lol
So in essence ... you are saying that the bigger factory farms put you out of business?
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Has anyone considered the end consumer here, like the one who actually is the whole purpose of it all? It’s food that people eat, sustain life and become our biology. Who advocates for the consumer getting sub par nutrition and chemical contamination from corporate agriculture? Yea money is made from the industry, and arguing about advantages to farmers and who gets the money etc. At the end of the day the person who is most important is the eater. No one is protecting THEIR interests. Just because people want to afford food that’s ok to make it less healthy? Food needs to contribute to people’s health first and the current corporate captured food chain system with their corrupt food production laws, and easy money model system is producing some pretty low quality nutrition. Who is going to care about the health of the eater? Vote with dollars?? Sorry but the laws make it difficult if not illegal to buy food directly from the chosen grower in the same way as it’s offered through the chain into the local grocery store. Just look at the food raids in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Persecuting Amish farmers who customers love. Getting shut down because people exercise their food buying choices, voting with their dollar. Since when can you find your neighbors meat in your local grocery store? It’s pretty hard to vote with dollars if it’s not there to choose. Corporate influenced or owned usda plants are the only way to legally sell food. It’s rigged so the little family farm can’t get food directly to the one who eats it independently from these corporate food chains and plants. You can’t even use state inspected processors anymore. Yes they do own the farmer because they own the laws and the whole food chain from farm to fork. Rfk and others want to cut chains to make an alternative way for the most important party, the end consumer, to have cleaner more nutritious less industrial choices to vote for.
I sort of wish you had timestamps....not to say that's easy to do...but...it will probably get you more views on YT.
Wondering when they will start adding chapter timestamps 🤔
You should invite him to your show. He generally likes to be informed. Obviously, he is not about pig farmers.
The point I want to make is all the positives you talked about like equity in your buildings you would have had in the past PLUS you would be completely independent and own the capital of your animals as well. We don't really have capitalism today we have chronyism or crapitalism or just plain old corruption.
Be is a lawyer and im sure he knows a little more than you do behind the scene
Agree with what others have said. He’s the real deal 💯 You absolutely should get the guy on here to get some clarification, instead of just going off one clip you saw. Think y’all misunderstood him. He’s pro America thru & thru - thinks the American farmer should be able to make a decent living feeding us, in a way that’s healthy to people. Stop subsidizing massive corporations, foreign nationals & billionaires, but instead to the TRUE independent family farmers & ranchers that produce quality & healthy food for the American people. Not an expert with this, so I’m sure there’s factors I’m not aware of. That’s why I suggested you bring ping him on & just have a real, no BS convo with him. Think he’d be all for that.
There is a big problem with our food system & how big factory farms are operating, effecting the health of ourselves, our children & national security as a whole. Food is only a piece of that puzzle of many reasons for that, non the less an important one. As a 40 something year old that’s had an autoimmune disease & couple chronic diseases that’s disabled me for close 20 years & is greatly affected by what & how I eat - it’s one of the reasons I support him. Can’t even afford the food medically necessary for my health. I’m just one of millions of Americans greatly affected by this. It’s literally life & death for many of us, so it’s really incredible to see a leader willing call this stuff out & smart enough to know how to get it done.
He’s not about forcing people to do anything or shoving his beliefs on anyone. Just to present the facts, question things & to have a debate about all the things & best way to get done. Think he brings common sense back to our country. He’s definitely earned my respect & vote!! Love he’s willing to go against the grain, stand up for what he believes & usually able to back it up. But humble enough to look into it further, listen to other s & admit when he’s wrong. He care about the truth, not being right. Exactly the kind of man we need lead our country - for US the American People 🇺🇸 ❤️💙🤍
Your comment about the sprinkles, and just enough truth to finish story and make it seem realistic is something plenty of other people have said about him when he talks about vaccines and autism.
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Its not crazy to want a safe environment lol. Read his platform or listen to Bobby speak anywhere other than corporate news stations amd you will see. No need to hide under your bed. We can want beauty and truth in our nation.
Kennedy 2024.