The Mistake 90% of Painters Make (And Why It's Killing Your Progress)
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It seems like there are always new miniatures to paint and new paint brands to try. But I have a very important truth to share: your paints could actually be holding you back in your miniature painting.
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Thank you for saying what most won't for fear of losing sponsorship or freebies. Always trust Lyla.
100% agree with don't buy a set of an entire line all at once. Honestly buying enough to do a project to get a feel for the paint is more than enough to get an overall base understanding if a line is right for you.
Lol I bought the whole fanatic line
@@killiandw oops
I've been painting some orks for the past few weeks, and working on layering different colors, skin, and simple weathering and grime, and it's been a delight.
But how else will I satisfy my goblin-brain desire to own all the pretty colors?!
100% agreed Lyla!!! After testing out the P3 paints, I've come to similar conclusions, I think we are just at a point where most paint lines are good, there isn't a lot of difference between them! Good overall advice too, great video!
Heck yeah, a real review of the new P3s! Can always trust Lyla Mev to have an honest opinion.
Thanks for making this video, Lyla, this needed to be said.
TH-cam creators must review new products (understandably), but this creates a compulsion in viewers who believe they *must* purchase the new product, and that they'll magically become better at hobbying. This applies not only to paints, but everything in our hobby. The reality, like your rightfully say, is that most products & paints are roughly equivalent. It's better to invest time in using what you already own than to buy new stuff.
I think buying new stuff is exciting because it's frictionless. Instant gratification. The unspoken truth is that when we buy new stuff, we believe we're also buying the time and skill to use it -- but that's a fiction. I buy a box of new minis and I think I'm buying the ones painted for the box art, but in reality I'm buying sprues of gray plastic who knows when I'll get to paint. I buy a new paint set and I think I'm buying the ability to paint like Lyla or Vince Venturella or Sorastro, but in reality I'm just buying some pots of medium & pigments, some of which will dry up before I get to use them.
Actually using the stuff takes time, effort and patience!
Again I appreciate this video, it REALLY needed to be said.
its like telling a Pothead not to smoke pot ... ... but you are absolutely right.
I had similar concerns before I bought into Army Painter fanatic and Two Thin Coats, buuuuut...in the end it turned out to be one of my greatest choices. I really enjoy the triads for painting armies, and if I need other tones too, my trusty AK 3rd Gen paints are still there.
honestly i just like the fanatic line for the triads as well. color theory hasn't ever been my strong suit and having a system that literally labels aspects of it right on the bottle just alleviates some of the anxiety of painting. i don't even need them to be "the best paint ever", just need them to be better than warpaints lol.
Happy to see one of my paint youtubers talk about the P3!
I am just starting to understand this concept , appreciate this video and some honesty, not just a sales ad again thank you
I was watching one of those videos that paint using only the contents of the Start Painting box. For the second model the presenter changed to a quality brush and a wet palette. Everything else was the same and it really showed that Tools and Technique matters more than paints or color variety thereof.
I've painted with Scale 75 for 8 years. At the beginning they didn't worked as I expected. So I worked on understanding the paints and what techniques to use with them. After a while I got pretty fast and good. At the beginning of the year I switched to ak 3rd gen and it was a well thought decision as I knew what other properties I wanted in a paint.
I enjoyed this concept. I feel for me the best improvement I achieved from new paints, wasn't that the quality of paint from one brand to the next was better, but rather it was when I started using single pigment paints. This made my mixing and blending so much easier. Despite this making the process easier, I still had to take the time to learn the process. Bottom line as you said, learn how to paint and practice to up the game.
this is what I needed to hear, thank you. I am taking my Scale 75 and I will be working on volumes and glazing instead of jumping into p3 again. (except maybe black coal. that color is unique and great)
I'm going to speak the unspeakable... the brand of paints I use most often are the cheap Plaid Folk Art acrylic craft paints. I have a few of the expensive paints, but having more time than money, I have learned - taught myself - how to use these paints. I am not going to lie and say that my models are as good as yours or any other professional. But that is not because of the paints. It's because of - as you said - the painter. While I am not a professional, the results I get are EXTREMELY satisfying. I have posted a few online for critique and no one knows that they are craft paints until/unless I tell them. As I continue painting, those results will only get better - all with a 50 cent to a dollar bottle of paint. 🤷♂
Same. Been doing it since the 90's.
How much is your time worth? This alone is why you should invest in good paints. How many extra coats have you had to paint? How many hours does this translate into? It’s the same situation for good tools for people who work a trade, it costs you less in the long run. Suffering just to suffer is not a virtue.
You want to paint with high quality mono color pigments and mix your own colors, that’s suffering for your art.
You want to paint while wearing mittens and using your mom’s lipstick collection, that’s is only performance art.
Brave souls......❤
It's funny that you picked Coal Black as the P3 colour at the start of the video.
That colour is amazing.
Vallejo for ever, I know how they work, what they can do what they can't do, the proportions to mix to lighten and darken, how they change with washes. I'd have to learn that all over again.
One thing I have learned with different paints is: every paint line does something better than others. Use the different lines for what they do best.
I began with P3 when I started painting about 15 years ago or so. In fact, at least half of my P3 collection is still the original pots I bought back then! They still see regular use, too, I'm happy to say. I've narrowed it down to them, and my Vallejo collection (and the odd metallic paint from Reaper Mini that's unique) and I dare say that my painting benefits from being as familiar with my paints as I am for concentrating on those brands above all. In fact, I began branching into Vallejo about the time P3 became hard to get for a couple reasons, more than anything else. These days I agree that that's the best approach to take, focusing on what works as opposed to every new brand out there.
Definitely true, each brand behaves differently and has its own learning curve. I've been trying all sorts of brands just to broaden my understanding of how they work. None make me any better, but some make painting more enjoyable. :)
In this case, what is bananas is that the kickstarter requires a massive commitment to get interesting colors. I bet there'll be P3 paints I'll want to use, but I can't imagine spending hundreds of dollars and another shelf or three.
Great video. I stumbled across oil paints a little over a year ago because I was trying to make a a coal dust effect. It worked like a charm and I found that oils were a better match for the painting style I wanted to aim for. Sometimes trying a new paint pays off, but it's always a gamble.
you know what. Your right. I'm going to try to get better at wet blending. It's nothing I've ever really thought about , but I think you make a good point here is just give it a shot.. at worse your still as good as you were and anything else is upside. Thanks
I backed the Kickstarter for P3, because I wanted some new paints, and this looked like a good deal.
Good to see this. I think this principle can absolutely be extended to other tools as well. I have to constantly look at my growing wish list of hand tools and ask myself if these are items that will actually fulfil a specific need or role that is not something that my existing bench full of things can do effectively, or is it the "OH NEAT!" response to something new and shiny..
You're right when you said that sometimes paint and people just don't work well together - my last new brand told me to **** off after a week. Still, I thought their comments about me being rubbish in bed were completely unnecessary.....😢
On the flip side of this: having a stock of bad or mediocre paints can also hold you back.
When I moved, I suddenly couldn't find P3 paints (around the time everybody couldn't) or vallejo. The only thing game stores had was Citadel or Army Painter. I detest GW prices, and couldn't justify the prices anyways, so I went with Army painter paints for a while.
I legitimately thought I was regressing as a painter. Nothing seemed to work for me. After I got a better job and could afford to order Vallejo paints again is when I realized that the old Army Painter paints were absolute trash ( I also wasn't chronically online, so I didn't realize the whole world agreed they were trash).
I tried many new types of paint, when I returned to painting after many years away. I was also trying new techniques and ignoring the base of knowledge from years past. Lots of frustration was the result. Then I found Pro Acryl, and stuck to it, it just felt and worked right. I knew finally was on track again, so I went back to my old processes, with my new standard paint. I have mixed in new things I have learned, with the foundation of the old, and I think I am painting better than ever. Nice to finally break a 17-year painter's block. Pro Acryl is still short on some military greens in the line, and a few other things. I do not like to custom mix colors, since I keep a recipe and paint units over time. I see myself more as a process painter, rather than an artist. I do buy from other brands, if I am missing a color, usually AK3. I was wondering how the new P3 paints would be, this video helped a lot. Now I know keeping my base of Pro Acryl, if I need a new color, I can try the new P3 line, if they have what I need. Archers Miniatures/CSO Archer
I totally agree with you. Actually thie video helped me to not follow the hype of the new paint brand sets (that I dont need) to buy instead to keep focus on my own painting developments and learn from what I have. Thanks for your honest point of view
My goblin brain says I need more paint. I'm all about learning new tools for my hobby. It's fun.
I'm currently learning enamels, pigment powders, and oils for painting in the grim dark style. I'm really used to painting in the saturated high contrast paint style so I wanted to swerve and learn something new or learn how to use those tools to take my normal painting style to the next level.
Thank you for this video. It's exactly what I needed to hear. I really enjoy all your videos
Thanks for this video😁
I orderd them on Kickstarter, because of wetblending, but cancel them of doubt.
And this give me a extra reason that i don't need a extra box of a new paint😅
That is some of the best advice, instead of buying the mega set:
just try a few of the colors to see how they go down on the model. That’s one thing I am really enjoying about the Army painter, is that you can just pick three or four out of a fanatic triadand experiment that is if you’re lucky enough to have SLG ass that has the full fanatic rack
Aha...this brings us to what I call the "Brian Phenomenon"...this happens when you purchase new paints or brushes or techniques...and the end-result is worse than before...yeah, remember, it's not the glove, it's the player. Your videos' are great by the way, I really enjoy them and they are very informative, Thanks.
I love the screwed up face on your thumbnails 😂😂😂 makes me lol every time
Good advice. Waiting on the retail release since I am already enjoying TTC and Pro.
Agree 100% as how I thin one brand doesn't work with others. I bought a set of paints, not because I wanted to get on board with teh new rang, but because it had colours I didn't have. But I find swapping between teh three ranges I have creates issues with regards to watering them down differently (for instance), slowing the painting process. I used Citadel for 30 years but finally got fed up of the pots. So moved to AK (wih some Vallejo). I'm going to try to restrict myself to these now as I am not getting on with the Warpainter set II bought.👍👍
I've been very happy with Army Painter's line. I don't see a big reason to stray from them, as I tend to buy paints when I'm out of something, or if there's a color / effect that I can't easily achieve with my reasonably extravagant collection paint. I prefer the dropper bottle format. Their speed paint and airbrush lines solve the problems they are made for. My big obstacle right now is having no good work space, rather than not having enough paint.
The one reason is that you want higher pigmentation in, say, reds. Army painter sacrifices vibrancy for coverage, so if you want something really intense, you have to accept the transparency and pick a different brand for those use cases. But this doesn't mean you need a separate 100 pot range: you might be fine with, say, the Atom or Kimera base sets, or some Golden fluorescents.
Totally agree. Unless you are using apple barrel paints this will make no big change.
lol.. so true. Spent years getting used to Citadel, Scale, and Kimera. One good thing is I now have a few color finish options. I’ll pass on P3. I would say trying different media- oils and inks- does change things.
Good vid and glad you aren't pushing the hype
I'm not a great painter, with every mini I paint, I do it to a standard that makes me happy 90% of the time. I'm still trying to get to grips with glazing (almost there) and NMM is something I want to get to learn with but so many tutorials talk about specific paints. As with many people in the hobby, I started with Citadel, 40 years ago it was all you could get along with Humbrol enamels. I had a break from the hobby when I had kids and when I came back it was with Citadel, mainly through the Hachette Imperium part work. Most of those paints are still sitting around as I discovered Reaper which I know don't have the greatest reputation but I like them. I do have other paints but these have been mainly themed sets for games I own like the Vallejo Infinity sets and the Army Painter Zombicide but this is for the colours included not the paint quality. Other than that my paint choices have been for the effects etc. Great video. My biggest challenge is eyes but Miniac just did a great video on faces (sorry to promote someone else on your channel) and I have enough spare heads to practice this.
I've used Citadel, AP, and Pro Acryl and have personally learned that i like working with thicker paints
Thinner paints like Pro Acryl are just harder to thin and just don't cover great
I did like the colors you used in this video.
I was excited for the launch, several points made me cancel my pledge. I figured I would just wait for retail since it was only a $20 discount (Wow that .2 cent discount on 100 paints was sooooo generous) and a bunch of 3d files I will never use. Thank you for being candid on the subject, I appreciate it.
The Shoshie cameo 🥹
I'm a newbie and I bought heavily into pro acryl while I was using a dry palette and liked it enough, had a brush stroke visibility issue but looked ok for my first handful of minis. When I switched to a wet palette they would split so quickly that I gave them up and switched to ak 3rd gen and vallejo game color. LOVED ak 3rd gen immediately, had bubbling issues with game color and gave up PA. I figured out I was over shaking Vallejo paints which gave me the bubbles and now I love both game and model color lines as much as ak 3rd gen. I basically stick to Ak and Vallejo and buy a paint if I really like the color, thunderhawk blue or the darker half of the 6 purples from the new warpaints fanatic line being my primary examples. Or if I'm trying to use a contrast style paint, I generally stick to contrast paint vs the other options I've tried.
ProAcryl wants a very different level of extra water than very creamy paints: It's the price to pay for basically needing no thinning out of the pot. Hell, for straight out base coating, making sure your brush is wet is enough to use them out of the pot, while that'd be just madness for an AK 3rd gen, or something with an ever thicker body.
Im currently trying to use up my all of my old army painter paints before I move on to a new paint brand.
There are a couple of colors from P3 I'm dying to get my hands on ( didn't buy into their original range ) so yeah, will get me those. After that, we'll see. Interesting take on this video though. And yes, most of my new GW paints ( or did they revamp the range again?, honestly don't know 😄) are still unused, as are my Scale 75's. Really love the AK 3rd and the Vallejo Model ranges and those are the most used over here. But I happily mix brands together and still will try out any brand I come across in stores, but just a couple of interesting looking colors.
What I would love to see though is a revamp of the 80's & early 90's Ral Partha paints. Man, I miss my woodland green. And also the Rackham paints. They had something. And Gamecraft metallics and their matte & gloss varnish. And... and...
Have you talked about wet blending recently? There might have been a video, where a medium was used to keep paint from drying too fast (similar to oil paints?), but maybe for other reason 🤔
In the case of P3 and Army Painter Fanatic, the "revamped formula" and "superior performance" buzz words are to be taken in comparison to their previous iterations which had some big flaws.
"Revamped formula" should only get you excited if you tried their previous iteration of the paint and found it lacking.
"Superior performance" is very vague for marketing purposes. It makes you think "superior to other brands on the market" when in reality they only refer to the performance compared to before the reformulation.
Cat, being pet. Best way to start video.
I think the problem may be that people see the painting as work they'd rather not do. They're hoping the paint will do some of the work.
Trying to get me to stop buying new paints?!? Next you will be coming for my dice addiction!
I am basically locked into citadel due to where I live. I can get army painter but their speed version left me angry due to their greens. So Citadel it is for me.
Maybe make a vid on how to strip an old model so one can practice?
I prefer Vallejo Paints which these past 8 years I have come to enjoy but its not the paint that has improved but how they are applied and what technical abilities they allow you when painting Space Marines.
For me its not buying a new paint line but returning to a line I already have experience with but haven't been able to get for years.
While I completely agree, P3 were my favourite paints for a long long time...
Amen to that!
I am done with hobby paints since I got into Vallejos new ranges and their inherit problems. They are not bad for painting miniatures, but I find them super restrictive. They dont like being thinned down, they grey out when mixed, they separate on a wet pallette... I got into Kimera paints and artist grade paints and I dont know why I ever gave these scummy companies so much money. Its a headache that will remain
Edit: plus I see some cratering in the paint inside the furs crevices. PTSD right there
Hold that paintbrush properly! 😱😝🤪🤣👍👍🇺🇸
The old P3 sucked ass. Ninjon noticed improvements in the formula. I trust his opinion.
Waiting for Vince V to do a review.
I'm starting to get into oils and enamel paints again. Love Jumpwind so far
They're just paints, that's all. And like every other brand in hobby level products - AK, Army Painter, Citadel, Pro Acryl, Reaper, Scale75, Vallejo - they're just fine enough.
I just got tired of my vallejo. I find I work much better with ak. But still I have a lot of vallejo and I don't want to buy every single paint in ak substitute. S I made the decision to land all my paints to my gf, who enjoys them very much, and restrict myself to 14 selected paints to learn proper mixing and nmm. And maybe wet blending in the way? I don't know. But I feel like the need of a constant new paint is not useful, I'll always find myself using the same 10 colours, so I want to limit my range to learn to do more with less
My main Problem is: I had the perfect paints for myself. (And then Vallejo changed the formula.) So right now I'm on sqare one and have to find out, which paints and colours are acceptable supplements.
It's not the case in military air/ afv paints especially if they are acrylics. With new formula released you can really feel better quality.
The paint market is so over saturated right now. The only new paints I am even remotely interested in is the Mindworks stuff coming out this year.
Agree with your comments and the very fact I've never heard of Mindworks just reconfirms them!
Well said, here is a question though....how many paint ranges and sets do you have in your drawer of shame???... a few I imagine 8-)
Great advice. Find a groove somewhere before trying to pick up something else
Patient purposeful practice produces preferable progress over parades of purchases? Sounds right.
I've been teaching and playing drums for 45 years. The same trap shows up: if I buy this new drumstick/drumhead/cymbal (the list is endless) my drumming will improve. Nope. Keep yer $ and practice more.
Wait you mean to say I need to learn how to use the tools at hand and there is no magic solution? I thought you were a witch. I need magic.
Loved Reaper for years but since I was getting back into mass army painting their natural tendency for transparency worked against me so I grabbed Pro Acryl and AK 3rd Gen. I honestly haven’t been a fan of the PA and AK is ok. Not really worth the effort honestly.
But coal black is the perfect color...
I am going to say that this is true but also not true. I had the original armypainter brand warpaints and they sucked so bad. then I moved to vallejo. and they were ok. but I just got the full set of Pro Acryl paints and OMG the Pro Acryl are a dream to work with. My thing is if the paint isn't fun to use you wont use it.
Unless it's switching from Vallejo to pro acryl
And then there are those of us--yup, myself included--whose painting skills are so novice that we are unlikely to recognize any difference between paint brands. (Now which end of this stick thingy am I supposed to hold? The hairy one or the hard one? And why can't this Sherman Williams stuff come in a smaller container?)
And wait, did they try and copy the Citadel Pot system with no dropper? Was that how the originals were? Terrible container design.
Great paints won't make you a great painter, but poor paints will make you a discouraged one. Don't go cheapo.
Now I know to spend my pant money elsewhere; 'fine" doesn't do it for me. Thanks!
Why not? I think most paints are "fine", and Lyla is just giving the same review you'll hear from other reviewers, only without the exaggerated hype. But to be honest, I think the message from her video is less about P3 and more about saying "you should master the paints you already own instead of buying new ones. New paints won't make you a better painter." ;). (unless you've run out of paints, of course!)
Unless you use top shelf artist grade paints, "fine" does do it for you perfectly, because your chosen brands are just that - fine enough - and you just led yourself to believe Citadel, AK, Vallejo, ProAcryl or whatever are in some ways superior. They're all mediocre hobby grade paints in the end.
Sorry your wrong everything we have been taught is the more money you throw at things the better the results
I'm simple man, I see new video, I watch new video.
Don't be reasonable. No one will listen.
New paints are a form of FOMO
watched within first minute posted
your photo for this video make it look like P3 isn't any good, misleading click bate?
Watching this video 5 hours into a 12.hour shift after the P3 campaign completing and my all in pledge hits hard 😂😢.
Oh well, hopefully I'll get use out of them. 😂