The REAL REASON one A-Wing took down a SUPER STAR DESTROYER
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Today we look at how the Rebel Alliance were able to take down an Executor Super Star Destroyer with just a single A-Wing. All that and more on today's Star Wars Legends lore video!
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Sup Justin, love the vid. My question is; was there another MC-80 at the battle of Endor that the DS2 shot down with its superlaser?
I can't tell if it was Home One (maybe a repurposed shot with the same model) or just one of the Mon Calamari Star Cruisers (didn't have the wings though). Thx bud and congratz on the 2nd trench run with the wifey. #kisses
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2 questions about TROJ: How was Luke able to walk through the death star without being stopped? Were the other people too busy to care? Was he not viewed as a rebel, and instead a "guest" of the Emperor?
And 2), where does the A-wing get damaged firstly? I always thought it was along the city-scape of the Executor, but it looks like the A-wing is flying down into the cockpit, and you can just barely see something flying down from the mon cal cruiser, which seems odd because the x-wing behind it was taken out by a green laser, like from an imperial vessel. Is there any info on that?
The A-Wing spun, spinning is a good trick according to Anakin, makes it invincible
The pilot must have pressed Z or R twice
Palpatine did a spin and was able to kill 3 jedi masters and in legends did another spin and killed 3 other jedi in 1 spin
"Do a barrel row". Peppi
Thanks for summing up the video now I don't need to watch it
Poe spun once when he was doing the trench run to destroy Star killer base I believe.
That was insane for what that A-Wing pilot done to that Super Star Destroyer back on Star Wars Return Of The Jedi movie 40 years ago because I remember watching that scene in which someone crashed into it , Sending it into The Death Star catching fire & all .
The a-wing looks more like a cloud car
I always find it interesting that I pretty much grew up hearing the pronunciation of the Executor's name differently. I've only heard it pronounced the way you do in the last few years. I've always pronounced it as in execution.
It always seemed to me that the A-wing didn't kamikaze in so much as it lost control and collided. You can see where it gets hit and then starts spinning just before the X-wing with it got destroyed.
Fascinating so the A wing was the nail in the coffin of the endless attacks on the Excutor
I wonder how would ROTJ end if the rebels managed to disable the deathstar's shields right before the executer crashed into deathstar.
I don’t think Disney’s take on the Battle of Endor is fair to Piet as much as he was “just following orders” he clearly understood the tactical disadvantage they were in but seriously who’s going to defy a direct order from the Emperor.
Calling him a fool I feel is a cheap narrative retcon and I prefer to remember his more respectful legends interpretation. But that’s just me, I always admired the man for his forthrightness and intelligence.
I've heard the term kamikaze used with regards to this scene a few times. I always got the impression from the pilot's screaming and the fact the ship is hit just before that he simply lost control of the ship and it happened to hit the bridge. What are your thoughts on this, from how it played out in the film?
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Pretty sure the intention was always that he did it purposely because as in the novelization of the film he doesn't actually kamikaze it instead he destroys it by firing torpedoes into it and is killed by being to close to the resulting explosion and being unable to maneuver away from it in time.
They didn't intensify forward firepower. Piett. You fool
Not knocking the pilot, but Im pretty sure homie was out of controll.
Rebel Fleet: Pilot, you don’t have the firepower.
A-wing pilot: *I’ve got the mass.*
Solid copy. Hit them hard, pilot.
You're on your own Noble, Carter out
And very, very unstable engine/reactor fuel ;)
Lol
Goodnight, sweet prince;
And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.
*Two nights ago:* Some guy in stream chat remarks on how an A-Wing took down an entire SSD.
*Eck:* This kid's gonna LEARN.
Pretty sure it was Pirez Because I invoked a debate 🙂
Could have been.
@@attilathehun5067 I re-watch and yes
Eh I'm starting to lose hope for the survival of originality.
AHH Ship System Display?? OH Nevermind.
Fan 1: "Hey wait a second, how does an A-Wing hitting a bridge take out an entire Super Star Destroyer? And why would it fall down in space anyway?"
Fan 2: "Er excuse me, please consult this gigantic pile of novels, technical manuals and headcanon explaining how this all makes complete sense!"
Writer's room, 1982: "Be cool if a Rebel ship hit one of the big Imperial thingies and it fell out of the sky in a big ball of flame."
"Sounds wicked George, I'll get ILM right on it."
To quote a guy who used to be on the BBC a few decades back, "And so, there you have it!"
Exactly lol, all those geeks with their totally stupid explanations of senseless things in a movie
Answer for fan 1:
The SSD was caught in the Death Star’s gravity well.
Yeah true some stuff is stupid to explain like this, it’s obvious the writers just wanted something cool looking to happen it didn’t need to make sense
You guys trying to say we're wrong for coming up with explanations for events in the movies are just unimaginative and boring. Have some fun, jeez...
What if, being swarmed, Piett moved the Executor closer to the Death Star to limit the number of angles of attack the Rebels could use?
That does have some benefit especially if it could also rely on the station side weapons to help screen away the capital ships while the TIEs dealt with the fighters.
It could buy some time but the ship would still be doomed.
The second death star was still going to explode and that ship might not have had enough time to get out of there before it did.
I was under the impression they moved close to the Death Star to protect vulnerable sections once the deflector shield was disabled.
I feel surface area weapons would have caused more damage to each other. The smart move would have been to have the fleet advance at the rebel fleet.
The truth is this was a script decision. It would be ridiculous for the SSD to move closer to the DS as they would have had to go thru the entire rebel fleet to do so. Remember the imperials came up behind the rebels to pin them between them and the DS. The admiral himself ordered “hold here”. They were not going to move in for fear of getting in the way of the DS super weapon
Law of Significant Velocity: Anything is a weapon if traveling fast enough.
The Golden BB. Gets them every time.
Japanese Kamikazee pilot: Are you sure about that?
No interstellar capable craft is unarmed. Try not to get caught up in the engine exhaust. XD
Also, the kinetic energy of a moving object is linear with mass, but exponential with velocity...
Then why aren't they shooting actual projectiles but laser beams?
@@linden5480 cuz its cooler
the Executor was Vader's flagship, you can bet your ass that there were no incompetent personal there, i bet even the janitors were like clockwork
His mistake was sparing piett after bespin.
I love the idea of Vader choking even the janitors who don't do a good enough job.
@@theknave1915 Piett I firmly believe was a good officer, Ive read several comments stating why it's more likely that the A-Wing "Destroying the SSD" was more like the final thing that brought it down. Someone even pointed out if it was gravity that brought it down, it should have went down equally with a tilt towards the engines since they're the heaviest, but instead it went nose diving, which means they were in some sort of tactical maneuver listing a certain way RIGHT when the A-Wing hit the bridge, and killed the, uh, Ill simply call him the driver. Its kinda like those cliche moments where someone dies while driving something, then their steering wheel gets caught and the vehicle just veers to that direction non-stop.
@@azazaz4627 I disagree. Piett proved in both movies he lacked the adaptivity or the level headedness to achieve victory. Moving the executor into the gravity well of the death star was foolish. Such a move only protects from capital ships. Time and again imperial officers underestimate the role of single seat fighters! And right at the end Piett panicks. What does he do, he orders to intensify the forward point defence. The time it takes to reroute the power and re-angle the point defense was too long and allowed the A-wing to slip through the flak screen and run the trench superstructure. The second officer says as much in his last words. The moment the bridge deflector failed Piett should have ordered transfer to the secondary bridge. But because he panicked and trusted too much on the firepower of his ship. 300,000 people lost there lives.
@@theknave1915 It was actually Emperor Palatine's fault. He order Piett not to use any of the Command ships to fire on the Rebels because he wanted to show the power of the second Death Star. Because of this, it led to a lot of confusion when the Rebels used the ships for protection against the Death Star.
Just watched the og trilogy today so this is fresh in my mind
Not everything holds up but like, damn!
right, in so much how much still works and seems better than even the new series.
I've seen deleted scenes of return of the jedi
Didn’t ask
@@zx-oq9su the world doesn't revolve around you, things will happen you didn't ask for
G2 your parents didn’t ask for u and look what they got
It's always bugged me how some people never seemed to notice Ackbar's orders to focus firepower on the Executor. Or how close all those Rebel warships were to it that you can see out the Executor's bridge. The Emperor is the sole cause of the Empire's downfall. If he wasn't so keen on putting on show and allowed the Star Destroyers and the Executor to actually engage Rebel ships, they probably wouldn't have been overwhelmed.
Or, you know, deployed the *literally* ten thousand TIEs that were present. The total number launched appears to be a few hundred.
Its one thing what is said, but its another thing that thet Executor looks so pristine when its gowing down. And it just doesn't make sense that the basic functions of a ship of this size would in any way be affected by the loss of the bridge. Was there an officer on the lower decks panicking "The bridge is gone! I've no idea what to do now! Lets point the nose of the ship straight down, I think thats what they would have wanted me to do!"
This whole scene would have made a lot more sense if we had seen, for example, battle damage to the engines instead of the bridge hit.
@@MareTranquil Part of that is the technology of the time. They spent seven weeks working almost 24/7 to get the Executor built. I don't think anyone on the SFX team was in a hurry to destroy or damage that model. Note how unlike a lot of other craft, they don't actually use charges to blow up the Executor, they just shoot a (fairly obvious) flame jet up out of the surface between it and the camera.
Also none of the ships present accrue any sort of visible battle damage in the wide shots. The scene was complicated enough to work out as it was. Most of the ships were also composited repeatedly. There was only one full detail ISD, all close shots are that single model, so they had to be careful what they did to it. There are similarly only a handful of actual Mon Cal ships, they're just photographed from multiple angles and layered into the scene to flesh out the fleet. That's where we got the Tector, when they had to use an alternate model to layer two ISDs in a single shot, and somebody forgot to make sure the bottom wasn't visible.
@@d_valroth First of all, The Wrath of Khan had been made one year earlier, so "the technology of the time" did certainly allow for showing damage on spaceships. Secondly, if they were able to do this nice close-up shot of the damaged bridge, why not also use this for just one other shot somewhere else on the ship? Or, maybe, INSTEAD of the bridge shot? Thridly, if you're writing a scene that you can't or don't want put into your movie, then something has gone wrong.
But most importantly, this is what we see:
"Concentrate fire on this SSD" -> Fighters destroy shield generator -> "We've lost bridge deflector shields" -> "Concentrate forward firepower" -> Fighter crashes -> Explosion on bridge -> SSD, with visible damage to the bridge only, falls out of the sky.
Now, if this was footage discovered by an archeologist, then you could certainly argue that these things are not connected to each other, and that you just dont have found any footage of the important things. And there seems to be a lot of this kind of thinking going on in the Star Wars fanbase. But this is a movie, not some found footage, and what you decide to show or not show has meaning.
Its like some fans simply cannot accept that "I hope not too many people think about this" might have been a part of George Lucas' mindset for certain aspects of these movies.
@@MareTranquil I didn't say it wasn't possible, I said they were unwilling to do it. The Miranda-class model was made specifically for Wrath, and it was one of only two ships present in the entire battle sequence. It was easy to say "okay, we've shot all the scenes for this phase of the battle, now we'll damage both ship models and shoot the next" and so on. They could have damaged or destroyed the physical Executor model. They did not. It's alive and well today.
Also, "I hope people don't think about this" sums up the entire Star Wars franchise. Parsecs are not a unit of time. Lightspeed will not get you across the galaxy in a week. Destroyers are one of the smallest navel vessels, not the biggest. Space generally requires thrusters facing in more than one direction. The EU is one massive fix fic that explains away all sorts of inaccurate or illogical statements. The novelization of RotJ even realizes that scene has issues and tries to add some stuff you just didn't see because it was off camera. Honestly, why Lucas didn't fix that instead of ruining Jabaa's palace in the special edition is beyond me.
Edit: To be more clear, the technology they had did not allow for compelling CG or digital compositing, so they couldn't really fake damage to the Executor beyond the composited flames from the bridge and engine. Making it look good would require actually damaging the model, which they seemed very opposed to since there was no taking it back if any other footage turned out to need a reshoot.
So, essentially, Executor's destruction was a "death by thousand cuts", both in Legends and New Continuity, and the A-wing was just the final blow, something the already overtaxed damage control system was unable to cope with... also, I vaguely remember that in Legends, there was something about the nature of A-wing's engines and fuel that made the ship go BOOM in a spectacular way, and the way the effect went, the blast didn't just took the command deck, but blew quite a large hole in the front of the command tower, and thus I wonder what exactly went down with it...
Maybe the drift towards Death Star wasn't as much of a case of gravity but rather engines or controls (thrusters, etheric steering, whatever) going haywire because of death throes of primary steering components (damaged/destroyed in this massive explosion, burned from power surge, there could have been many reasons) coupled with previous extensive damage...
I love that you said new continuity rather than new canon. As far as I'm concerned, Disney didn't decanonize legends (you can't really, it's all fiction), they just wanted make their own story separate from what was written before.
(Off-topic, I know, sorry)
I imagine that the damage caused by the ramming A-wing somehow sent false signals to the ship controls, like a "short circuit" of a sorts, because you can clearly see it makes a sudden turn and speed increase and flies straight into the Death Star. The secondary bridge SHOULD have corrected for it, but it looks like they never gained control of the ship. I don't know if that was also because of the A-wing ram or other damage.
Ackbar made a big gamble, but boy did it pay off!
@@Grubnar or the helms man had made those maneuvers before being killed and could not stop it (being dead)
@@Grubnar I wonder whether there could have been an EMP from those engines exploding... those are IIRC fusion engines, and if they go nuclear in atmosphere (such as inside of a command tower), there could have been enough air to be ionised to produce some degree of EMP, and because it all happened inside the ship, physical shielding against such an attack (such as from ion cannon) could have been bypassed... however, I'm not sure if I get the physics behind that correctly...
Of course, that would have even larger implications for the universe as a whole, but it migt be already the case in lore... in NJO: Destiny's Way, Vergere used A-wing in a suicide run against Yuuzhan Vong at Ebaq 9 and the resulting crater was radioactive for days...
I suspect the internal portions of a ship are not designed to stop a very fast, explosively disintegrating object such as an A-Wing once the hull has been penetrated. Effectively, the A-Wing acted like a DU tank-gun round, igniting and detonating all around it and ripping through the bulkheads.
Arvel Crynyd in X-wing TMG:
"You can perform primary attacks at range 0.
If you would fail a Boost action by overlapping another ship, resolve it as though you were partially executing a maneuver instead."
@Zech Slade Rebel A-wings are still injustly underpowered for options in the TMG #Justice4RZ1s
Ahhh love me some X-Wing
@@thelonious2213 #Justice4RZ1s
I love how you can instantly tell it's an EA Star Wars cutscene, because 50% of the rooms lights are off, usually on the right side of the screen.
Michael Andrei Palon it still better than most FPS games
Michael Andrei Palon awesome game, Terrible campaign.
I G Prab Unpopular opinion I liked the campaign. The only issue I have with it is how the alliance almost completely trusts Iden.
King of Sinter well the missions are pretty fun but it lacked depth. I didn’t grow to care that much about Iden.
@@gusp6612 Ruined the moment Iden became a rebel
This is my interpretation (using pre-NC reckoning). The Executor was under sustained fire from the Rebel Fleet, harried by starfighters. They began maneuvering closer to the DS2 to gain assistance from its Turbo Lasers and hoping the Rebels wouldn’t want to move closer to the station. The sensor dome (that’s what the EU classified it as) was destroyed which overloaded the bridge deflector shields temporarily. Piett ordered forward point defense fire intensified to protect the bridge while they were being restored. Before that could happen, Green Leader was hit, causing a surge of power to his engines which propelled him too close to the command tower. Seeing no alternative Green Leader kamikazied the bridge. The crew on the secondary bridge didn’t expect their involvement in the actual command of the ship, so they weren’t on the ball when the bridge was destroyed. The engines were damaged around the same time, causing a loss of attitude control which allowed the ship to be pulled down by the DS2’s gravity. Before the secondary crew could get full control of the ship, the Executor was already in a dive, it’s mass was too much for the crippled engines to arrest even at full reverse thrust, and it impacted the station.
Me: sees sensor dome
Give this man a cookie. No give him two
In Star Wars battlefront a comment is made about the commander of the Super Star destroyer being a fool.
That might suggest Imperial doctrine was to never to have super star destroyer get that close to a planetary body's gravity well.
It's always bugged me that computer games keep identifying the domes as being the shield generators. Surely an empire capable of controlling a galaxy would not put the main defence of their primary capital ships in such a vulnerable position. It's rather satisfying to have an explanation that makes more sense while not contradicting the events of the movies.
Matthew Caughey ROS showed Palpy had very deep pockets
Akray Bothorda The X-wing/TIE Fighter games were following the lead of WEG when they were producing the RPG. There were many factual errors in the WEG material that became ingrained in the 90s EU and carried over even to this day as canon.
As much as I love this scene lets be honest. The reason the ssd crashes into to the ds is because it looks so damn cool. In any real battle that ship would never be that close to the ds. Rule of cool at work, but hey it did look super cool.😎
In addition to agreeing with you I'd like to add that George Lucas was fond of the David vrs Goliath theme.
Have you seen the crazy flight maneuvers of the star destroyers and their totally overly confident pilots?
Rule of Cool explains a lot of Star Wars WTF moments... ;)
It allso makes sense . wehen the bridge was destroyed. The ssds engines turned of. it started to drift. Since it was so close. It was afected by the second eath stars gravity field. Which pulled the ssd toward the second death star.
Also the bridge deflector shield was destroyed which is where all the controls are with the shield destroyed making the super star destroyer vulnerable to attacks with the bridge without shield no defense a single ship crashing through the bridge the super star destroyer is screwed crashing into the deathstar blowing up and that's the reason why it got destroyed not just that but the deathstar shield generator also protected the fleet but Han Solo takes out the shield generator so the star destroyers have there own shield but taking a bunch of hits the shield can't hold forever
I have always looked it as the straw that broke the camel's back, not the A wing Bringing Down the ship by itself.
I see it that way as well. It's possible that with the damage done to the ship that it would have taken time for secondary control centers to regain control of the ship which they didn't have.
Eck forgot to mention that Executer was in the middle of a battle maneuver when the bridge was knocked out. that is from the old cannon but the movie shows it dropping and it looks like its trying to escape from the Mon Cals that are attacking it.
Yeah it would sure have been severely crippled just like the Nimitz from some pirate dinghies lol
Well, they lost their bridge and lost control long enough to crash. Never noticed the damaged engine before, but that exacerbated the problem.
@@bedolschnutzler2604 absurdly large pirate dinghies armed to the teeth with anti-carrier weaponry?
I always found it funny how in Star Wars, engines pointing _parallel_ to the horizon can always manage to keep the ship aloft _vertically._ 😅
imagine: 100k crew members and soldiers died with the ship.
imagine to be there, while the ship was going to crash against the DSII.
imagine that you are a simple technician and you can't do nothing to avoid the crash because the ship is going torward its end.
imagine.
Not too when you become a stormtrooper you sign a contract that you are useless and will die
if you're just some system technician, unless you're looking out a view port you ain't gonna know until you're dead
@@MaxwellAerialPhotography well, I'm actually a sysadmin and... Because of gravity and stuff I would imagine how could be being into a gargantuan ship going full speed without control...
I still think that it's terrifying
No
The Executer actually had a crew of 300k not 100k.
Because Admiral Piett's theories about "The Intensification of Forward Firepower" were slightly off.
Too late!
*MASSED EXPLOSION*
@Kenneth Boyer It's a joke
Movie: Does something silly:
NOVELS: NOW ALLOW ME TO EXPLAIN AND MAKE IT COOL.
Immature. Logic>cool.
@@clashman7564 basically 🤣
_Executor:_ *exists*
Arvel: Gee that sure is a nice super star destroyer. Would be a shame if something ...happened to it...
That sounds evil.
The gravitational force of the Death Star wasn't even remotely strong enough to pull the SSD down that fast. It would need the mass of something like a star or bigger to make it move that fast relative to it's size.
The more logical argument is the SSD's engines went out of whack and caused it to crash into the Death Star.
Personally, I'd love to see an official scene/summary of rebel teams/sabotage using some of the Death Star's own weapons against some Imperial targets. And when the opportunity presented itself, it was in fact Death Star tractor beams that pulled the SSD to destruction, destroying the flagship and hitting the DS a serious blow as well.
I disagree. The DS2 had several gravity generators producing at least 1 standard G. So while the external effects wouldn't be as extreme as you get with natural gravity fields, it was probably widespread enough to act as a navigation hazard. And if you have a ship with multiple damaged engines suddenly lose its primary helm and experienced helm officers, there obviously wasn't time for the backup systems to cut in before the fall into the DS2 was unrecoverable.
The Executer was in the middle of a rapid battle maneuver. In the expanded universe it says so and in the movie you can see it dropping as Admiral Akbar orders the attack. IF the ship was pulling a sharp maneuver to avoid damage to its bridge and it suddenly lost control (even temporarily) it could easily crash in to an object as large as the Death Star.
Watch the part where Akbar orders a full attack- the SSD is dropping and trying to get away.
look at 2:30 on the video shown.
offical head cannon: when Executer started taking damage it started to withdraw- when it lost its bridge deflector shields the helms men started to maneuver the ship's bridge away from the MC-80s (scene at 2:43) that were attacking however when the bridge was knocked out the ship lost control before its auxiliary control could correct the mistake. By the time they could take control it was "to late"
Maybe the engines were still engaged in an attempt to stabilize the ship but it was losing that battle to the Death Star's gravity and once the ship was pointing directly at the Death Star, the active main engines ended up just accelerating the ship into the surface which is why it was going that fast when it hit. By the time they cut the engines, they'd already be coasting pretty fast into the "ground" just like a plane heading full throttle toward earth for even 2 seconds and then cutting engines would still be completely screwed without a course correction.
I agree. Also if it had been gravity it wouldn't have pulled nose first. Planes on earth crash nose first because of aerodynamics which isnt a thing here. Gravity should have pulled the whole thing down equally with a list towards the engines since that's probably the heaviest part. So I agree the destruction of the bridge prob caused it to steer out of control into the death star II.
I could swear there was an EU source which said the engines engaged as a result of the destruction of the primary bridge, and by the time the battle bridge commander got them turned off, it was too late to pull up. Of course if it's EU it's also easy to say that IG-88 did it. He had the tech specs of both Executor and DS2, and was in the process of hijacking DS2.
I honestly was certain that the A-Wing didn't "destroy" the Executor, just the bridge, and it was the damage to navigation that caused it to fly off course and into the death star which destroyed it.
That makes way more sense in my eyes
Yeah right, it was out of control, like a drifting boat. Also, there was a drastic shift in the Force to the rebels advantage when the Darth Vader went Jedi and "killed" the Emperor.
Well, that's because that's what "really" happened in the movie before some dipshit decided to over-complicate it..
@@toddb3226 It’s not being over complicated, it’s being explained in a believable and interesting way that agrees with Star Wars lore. It makes no sense for the entire Executor to be disabled and sent into an unrecoverable crash course just from the bridge being destroyed. That’s assuming the A-Wing even managed to take it out which is already a little ridiculous given no context. It was a command center, nothing more. It didn’t house any systems so critical that it would lead directly to the ship’s destruction alone. There were numerous other factors. Not to mention that it was a highly advanced ship manned by the Empire’s best within the Navy. There were backup plans and systems in place for such contingencies. Another command center with additional officers would quickly be assigned control of the ship.
That's what I always assumed from the first time I watched it as a kid. You're literally destroying the area that controls the ship. A plane can't fly without a functional cockpit!
the A-wing?
ah yes, you mean, futuristic kamikaze!
Zero-wing
it's 'a long time ago', so it's retro-kamikaze ;)
Somewhere in engineering:
"Sir, we've lost contact to the bridge. I think they have been hit!"
"Well, you know what comes next then. The ship goes down with the captain."
"Of course, Sir! Hmm...ahem...wait, Sir, are you sure thats how the saying goes?"
"Just keep your opinions to youself until after I crash this ship!"
Watching this as a kid I never would have thought that he was in "taking all of you with me mode". Which as an adult IS something I can appreciate.
Edit: the way akbar sat back in relief and disbelief really shows how close that battle felt.
Eck, one thing you forgot to mention though. And this was explained in The Thrawn trilogy.
Thrawn explains to Pellaeon about the Emperor controlling his fleet with his force powers. This is shortly after the first battle that Joruus C'baoth used his force powers to control the minds of the fighter pilots etc. This gave them much greater efficiency.
The Emperor was so distracted with trying to bring Luke to the dark side, that his control slipped, thus allowing the rebels to defeat the Executor.
Thrawn knew this and said as much to Pellaeon, also stating that if he'd been in charge, the battle would have gone much differently.
"Then how do you explain the last minute TIE fighter incompetence?"
I think this was the actual reason that A-wing was able to do what it did.
What do you think?
It's called Battle Meditation and it was a very advanced Force Power. It was a big subplot of Knights of the Old Republic.
I've always hated the idea that Palpatine was literally controlling the minds of an entire fleet. I mean, the idea itself is pretty ludicrous, and it makes the Force seem too overpowered for something that Palpatine could just do casually; but it makes it seem like these guys can't even function as soldiers, pilots, etc. without Palpatine holding their hand.
@@mitchellhayward6492 I actually tend to think that he wasn't controlling their minds directly, that it was more like when they were around him, he was using his Force abilities to make them more focused and efficient. This could also explain the TIE fighter's "incompetence" by explaining that when he died, there was a sudden loss of that focus, which allowed the A-wing to get through.
@@mitchellhayward6492 It wasn't Palpatine. It was Grand Admiral Nial Declann who was keeping the Battle Meditation up.
starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Nial_Declann
And no, they can function just fine without Palpatine/Declann/Joruus C'Baoth holding their hand. The Battle Meditation improves their effectiveness though. The issue was, that the Meditation was just "cut off", basically. Imagine these instances where you feel fit and willing to do everything... and then, the next moment, maybe due to the weather, you're just dead tired.
It's probably kinda like this. The link, and the "buff" was gone, from one moment to the other, causing major disorientation etc.
starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_meditation
The problem with Nial Declann being the battle meditator is that we have incoherent chronologies in Legends. Zahn wrote before Wallace & Peña created Declann, so it's free choice within old canon as to the correct explanation. I prefer Zahn's simply because I like his story style better.
One little detail you missed, the Concussion Missiles on the A-Wing are also in the nose.
The nose is also shaped to an edge, so it can probably stab into the ship a little deeper rather than just smashing against the hull
Always forget that the Executor has the same bridge and superstructure as a normal Star Destroyer. I always just assumed it was lower on the top to disguise it and make it harder to hit
Heh well it was probs really because it was getting too expensive to make a entire new bridge so they just slapped the ISD one on and callled it a day
@@davidty2006 Though later model estimates do make the tower a wider one, slightly (289 m vs 275 or less)
The bridge is the same size as an Imperial Star Destroyer to show how the ships are in the same family, it's a standard Kuat Drive Yards feature. But also, to help the viewer to scale the ship in their minds. Having many more lights (windows) helps with this too.
@@davidty2006
Are you familiar with the old-school custom of "kit bashing" that model builders utilized in the 80s? You're probably more right than you realize.
I wish we could see an extended remake/expansion of the Battle of Endor. I'd love to actually see the Mon Cal ships pummeling the SSD as it returns fire, maybe tearing up some Rebel ships as it goes down lasers blazing. The battle really needs a proper effects budget with an entire modern overhaul.
#AskEck
*Attempt 831*
Can you do the Forerunners vs the Imperium of Man faction versus video soon please?
I cheer for joy and I always cry at the same time at this scene I cheer because the Executioner is not invincible I cry because of Arvel Crynyd's ultimate sacrifice
You know that always struck me as funny, because I figured with this ship as large as the Super Star Destroyer it would have more than one Bridge. There would be an auxiliary control room somewhere. Did not the Empire build any redundancies and ship control for such a powerful capital ship?
@Naziah Morris can you translate that into Basic?
I'd chalked the lack of secondary command center to the same sort of design philosophy that had the majority of the bridge crew working in five-foot deep pits, and did not provide seating for the senior officers.
He took it down because: *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHHHH*
I really don't get why this is so controversial/debated. It's like the Hood's sinking to space nerds.
The answer is rather straight forward. For the Hood and Executor.
For the Executor, the bridge's shields were knocked out (spheres), before this could be elevated, a ship rammed it. This disrupted the ship's steering right next to the one manmade/alienmade structure bigger than it. Before a secondary bridge could come online (only a few seconds had passed), it hit the DS2.
It's like if a driver passed out on the highway, and veers the car into a semi before the shotgun riding passenger can grab the wheel.
@Tin Watchman Remember, the Executor's super structure is massive so that one impact wont set the whole thing on fire so maybe only for a few floors as the A wing is just about the same size as a modern fighter jets.
After the destruction of the bridge, the gravity of the Death Star attracted the executor to it
@Tin Watchman I would imagine a ship of this caliber and size would have multiple bridges, and by multiple I mean more than 2. The destruction of the main bridge should also have no effect at all on engines or attitude control. Frankly, if this were based on real life, the Executor would not have gone down.
In real life if a mosquito kamikazied into you, would you fall over? This scene makes no logical sense whatsoever. They needed the command ship to be destroyed.
This is a long time misnomer.
And it being in reference books means nothing since they don't even have the correct sizes for Executor and Home One. Pablo measured the actual physical model against the mini Star Destroyer model built to scale to the Executor and it comes out to 13km. Home One is supposed to be twice the length of a Star Destroyer.
Those are not shield generators but sensor globes, clearly inspired by Naval RADOMES. Check out this page -
www.theforce.net/swtc/towers.html#globes
Ackbar orders a bombardment which overloads the shields. The sensor globe is destroyed to indicate the shields have fallen. Also it would make no sense to place shield generators externally a ship on such exposed devices that could be easily destroyed. And why would the shield generators themselves not be shielded?
Also I am glad that Eckhart got this right.
But your basic idea is correct I think. No control of the ship. Also there are GIANT FLAMES coming out of the engines that a lot of people seemed to miss, that Eckhart pointed out here as well, so clearly they were damaged too.
The issue being ignored here is simple.
we are told through dialogue the entire trilogy, that Star Destroyers are fearsome weapons, a single Star Destroyer is enough to cause panic, a FLEET of them headed by the Executor, is akin to the entire US Navy's 6th fleet.
"We won't last long against those star destroyers" says Lando, again voicing the fear, and intimidation of the ships.
Yet, when the vastly outnumbered rebel fleet do engage the superior Imperial fleet, with a few of their capital ships knocked out by the Death Stra...they, umm, win...easily...we see the rebel fleet mostly intact after the Death Star explodes...
So I don't much care for hand waving bullcrap trying to explain how the VASTLY outgunned out manoeuvred, and outplayed rebels who fell right into the Imperial trap defeated the largest and most powerful(by far!) Imperial ship whilst simultaneously escaping virtually unscathed.
Even if the Death Star was destroyed, the massive Imperial fleet should have destroyed the rebels utterly.
Why do people think concentrating firepower is some brilliant strategy, its OBVIOUS that's what you do, and exactly what the Imperial Navy would have been doing as soon as the Emporer's surprise Death Star shot destroyed a capital ship...
Sorry, the whole battle iws utter bollocks.
The Empire ruled mostly by fear, so I think this can be partially explained by the fact that Imperial military assets (especially TIE Fighters and any superweapons) are intimidating and have good firepower, but other than that are absolute shit (i.e. no survivability)
Much like the fearsome storm.troopers who can't hit anything, Imperial ships are vastly overrated.
The Empire was like the Soviet Union. They claimed every weapon was unbeatable but in reality they were more roar than lion
The rebels could've easily been receiving reinforcements throughout the battle, particularly of the rebel ships we DONT see (Captured CIS ships, augmented civilian ships, other fleets that didn't make it to the rendezvous). It's actually a pretty simple explanation... also the Empire doesn't know what point defence is, the Star Destroyers weren't utilised as well as they could be and command kinda collapsed after the Executor was destroyed
Ty honestly I think Lucas belief was that the Emperor ruled by fear and once he died the entire Star Fleet simply lost the motivation to fight. This would mean that they really didn’t believe in the Empires Purpose and knew they were fighting for the wrong side.
It’s either that or the entire premise that the rebellion won at that point is badly flawed
I feel sorry for crew of the Executor. Sure the Empire was evil and they died doing their duty but still though it must have been a tough work environment. I can only imagine what it was like for the maintenance crew to keep her running.
"I go now to lead brave men and women into what will be, for many of them, death. They go willingly, out of devotion to a state which unfortunately is not worthy of it. But, as someone once said, it is the quality of the passion that matters, not its object." -Admiral Ivan Antonov, Terran Federation Navy (Starfire Series Novels)
ish. I f I worked for a company that had a 'death star' and employed 'death troopers' I'd start working on my CV :)
The other hazard for the bridge crew was that they could be force choked to death by Darth Vader for even minor screw ups.
*Imperial Engineer*
My Lord Vader, we plan on having three separate battle bridges so that in the event of a bridge collision with an asteroid or other object we may retain control of the ship and continue operation.
*Vader*
You will only include one bridge. My power will protect the ship and I will not accept nor tolerate cowardice such as redundant systems.
The Empire is the perfect machine, this weapon is it's embodiment.
Another theory: Executor was Vader's flagship. Personally modified, even by himself(like his own armor suit, starfighter, and so on.) What if he had a remote-control device, like a smart key for cars? So, the dying Lord Vader just turning off every system, one-by-one, to help his son and his rebel friends to survive and run before the death star exploded? AKA, "Father's last present"... With this device in his hand, every damage control and even bridge actions are USELESS. And even an SSD with the firepower of 100+ normal ISD are just a sitting duck. (Imagine a short scene about this!)
Huh. It would still make that bloop.bloop sound too?
Plot armor: Well of course I know why, it was cause of me
Michael Andrei Palon Lol he’s right tho
A successful suicide attack is almost the exact OPPOSITE of plot armor.
@@Iknowtoomuchable Not plot armor for that guy, but plot armor for the rebels as a whole.
Yeah, basically what I’ve always thought. Ackbar’s orders to focus all firepower on the command ship combined with the fact that it was so close to the mass of the Death Star, gravity took over and they couldn’t recover control from an auxiliary bridge before they collided. Star Trek fanboys that cite Executor’s destruction by a single fighter as evidence of weakness on the part of SW designs don’t have a clue.
That's pretty much what happened he orders all fighters to attack the super star destroyer taken enough hits the bridge shield gets destroyed that's the command center with all the controls ackbar is skiled tactician but than gets blown up in the last Jedi that pissed me off ackbar is smarter than that
Nathan Skywalker dude, it was two years ago. let it go. Wasn’t even talking about TLJ.
The Executor was that close to the death star not out of incompetence, Piett was trying to cover the entrance to the super structure of the Death Star. That is why he orders” Intensify the forward batteries I don’t want anything else to get through” it seems to me that the admiral was using the super star destroyers shields and weapons to protect the entrance.
I agree. His job was to keep more Rebel fighters from getting inside the battle station. Compared to the Death Star his ship is expendable, if it worked trading an SSD for the survival of the Death Star would have been an economical trade.
Let's not forget the initial purpose of the Imperial fleet was to destroy the Rebel Alliance fleet, however once the Death star's shield generator went down the role of the Imperial Fleet dramatically changed. Piett took it upon himself to move his ship close to defend the Death Star. That is why Admiral Ackbar focused fire on to it. Piett did what any good Admiral would have done in that situation.
the reason the a wing took it down was because they underestimated the a wings power and they did not have the high ground
Hey #AskEck,I’m making a head-cannon story and I want to know how long an Imperial Army Garrison would stay on Hoth to make sure all crashed GR-75s and their crew were pacified?
I’m really surprised that the A-Wing was able to hit the bridge and go directly through the front windows. The actual bridge of the star destroyer is a really small part of the overall tower, and to be able to hit that one part while you are spinning and going out of control is really impressive
The a wing is a ok fighter in my mind. I prefer the xwing
This and the Ewoks really really made me scratch my head. I thought both were ridiculous
I feel like you did an excellent job at explaining how the executor went down. The only question I have is wouldn’t such a large “arrowhead” shaped ship do significantly more damage to the Death Star?
Am I the only one who thinks it’s strange to see the early 80’s explosion animation?
I have a small question, How far can the deathstar shoot?
In legends, it's stated to have a 6 lightsecond range, if I remember correctly.
Almost 1.8 million kilometers or for the Americans 1.1 million miles
@@vexile12 does the laser just fizzle out after travelling that distance?
@@wearsjorge55 Possibly... we don't really know.
I suppose that the laser rapidly loses cohesion beyond the given range like any real laser would. In this case, it means that the superlaser would still cause a tremendous amount of damage, but spread out over an increasingly greater area as you go further and further beyond the maximum usable range until at some point it just doesn't have enough energy per unit area to do anything meaningful to what it hits.
wearsjorge55 well it would obviously have to
#AskEck
**Faction Versus Battle**
The Terran Dominion [Starcraft] vs the Covenant [Halo].
I think the Covenant would win because they have a much larger fleet, but if the fleet sizes are equalized then I think the Terran Dominion would win
#askeck which type of deflector shielding is a more effective form of protection: a bubble-like field that’s constantly active or when the hull is struck, sensors in the armor trigger nearby generators that trigger a transient energy field localized in the area?
Video suggestion/request:
X-83 Twintail vs. Tie Defender (Legends)
Seeing as the hit has already occurred by the time the sensor triggers, the second one is useless.
Still makes more sense than the Holdo Manuever
wHy DiDn’T tHeY jUsT dO tHaT aLl ThE tImE???
"Guys, why are you welding my cockpit shut? And why does my starfighter only have enough fuel for a one way trip? Guys?"
If only droids could fly...
Super Tactical Droid I think he was joking, to point out the fact that droids can fly, and that William Magoffin’s comment was inaccurate, due to the fact that pilots wouldn’t be forced to suicide run if Droids could just do it
@I don’t like sand Talk to The Japanese Air Force, they specialise in it.
Didn't a vulture droid try and do the same thing against a venator over Ryloth?
The unfinished death star would, on it's own, have very very low gravity (it's a hollow ball of metal with some people in it), and I don't think it'd make sense for it's artificial gravity to go way out to where the Executor was? Thought I'd run the numbers a bit, and I ended up with Earth's surface having some 22 times as strong gravity. That's a big difference. I dunno, has anyone ever found stated a mass for the DS2? Or the Executor? Maybe I'm just too cooped up with locking down, but I'm not sure the gravity would be significant enough to move the SSD so fast.
Supposedly the Death Stars created gravity wells disproportionate to their size due to their reactors.
The last part reminded me of this quote, "If a King doesn't lead, how does his subjects expect to follow?"
Code geass ftw :)
Lelouch
TLDR: Admiral Piett was smooth brained
“Brave”
I thought it was a happy accident
He kinda had to be brave to be there in the first place.
"Piett you fool."
I remember reading in The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels that the A-Wing's fuel system, combined with its wedge-shaped design, allowed it to cause tremendous damage when it collides with another ship. The crippled Executor's crew was unable to get to the auxiliary controls in time to prevent it from augering into the second Death Star and the Executor was subsequently destroyed on impact and there was tremendous damage done to the second Death Star's hull as a result of this. So, it was more or less the design of the A-Wing that destroyed the Executor.
It's still a kind of dumb explanation. Why wouldn't you just build a bunch of remote A-Wings and aim them at capital ships? I appreciate the effort to explain away what was nothing more than a "cool effects shot", but in the end it was nothing but a cool effects shot. Star Wars never makes any sense when you think too hard about it and it's not supposed to. The original trilogy was nothing more than a Flash Gordon rip off, albeit an awesome one at that. Making these convoluted excuses for the films only puts a magnifying glass on the plot holes.
@@avenuePad reminds me of a certain hyperspace jump
@Matthew Caughey i wrote in a reply above that the helmsman was in the middle of a battle maneuver to take the bridge out of the line if fire when he was killed. if you loose control at the wrong time even temporarily it is beyond the control of an auxiliary crew to do anything to correct the mistake. When your as big as an SSD and heading strait at something as big as the Death Star you are not going to be able to re take control.
As for the A-wings "fuel bomb" thing its not like an unshielded bridge needs that to destroy it even blasters should be able to break through the bridge and kill the crew.
@@avenuePad aren't remote A-Wings aimed at capital ships the exact same thing as missiles?
Could we get an explanation of why Luke blinked in that one scene.
My theory has always been that Palpatine, using the force, gotta 'lil dust in his eye.
So, in short. The force was with the Rebellion.
And more importantly, the Plot and the Script.
The force of gravity
@@VulpisFoxfire bruh lmao
You know there are countless satellite in low Earth orbit that that die or have engine failure but they don’t immediately get pulled back to the surface. The executor shouldn’t have plunged into the Death Star that quickly, it was probably a couple 100 km above the surface. And the trench runs made zero sense in episode IV, that exhaust port was on the surface, meaning to get the torpedo to go in the exhaust port from the trench they would had to turn like 90 degrees down.
As much as I love Star Wars from episode I-VI these are two examples that made no sense from the original trilogy.
The real reason for the Executor tragedy?: Not enough lifeboats. :(
Trade one expensive A-Wing for one Super Star Destroyer. That's a pretty big bargain for the Rebellion.
" Do a barrel roll"!
We can come up with as many theories we want, but in the end, the entire Executor being destroyed was a horrible scene in technical terms. It was made by George Lucas to show the audience how the all mighty Executor gets destroyed in an epic explosion.
But in reality, if you look at the scene, everything is wrong. the Death Star horizon is not on scale with the Executor based on what the sizes of both are supposed to be. The fire from the bridge while the ship is falling down is also a very bad choice because that would not happen at all in space. Only the engine fire is close to what it would be in reality.
Same goes with the actual reason the Executor lost control. any big ship like an Imperial Star Destroyer which is 1.6 Km long would have multiple computers or AIs controlling it, human intervention would be very little, basically the pilots would have very little to "pilot", instead, just give orders to those computers. just because the main bridge is destroy should not mean the entire ship is doomed. There must be redundancy all over, for a Star Destroyer, at least three (3) bridges should be distributed along the ship. The main bridge would actually be deep inside well protected, the one on top would be more for show as usual since the Empire liked to show might and would be used on time of peace. In battle, common sense dictates you want to be in a well protected bridge. Move to a way larger ship like the Super Star Destroyers at 19 Km long, and such insane ships should have a minimum of 5 or 6 bridges or command centers. Computer redundancy would be all over the place, and in battle, like I said, the main bridge would be deep inside.
Everything we see in these space movies is just to get the audience entertained, nothing else. Even if the commander and captain and whoever is in charge happen to be on the top bridge while it is destroyed, the ship would NOT go down at all. In contrast, the scenes on the games where we see the Ravager (Executor Class super Star Destroyer) go down and crash into the planet, is a much better demonstration of what would happen to dreadnoughts that are defeated. Either they explode in a fantastic light show if somehow the enemy is able to destroy the main reactors, or, as shown in the games, the ship will go down slowly as engines keep failing and the ship integrity is fully compromised.
the Executor scene should have been edited in the Star Wars special editions and redone in full CGI with a more convincing way of being destroyed, like multiple ships attacking it at the same time and showing heavy damage to all the engines.
But that leads to another big issue with the scene. The falling. There is no such thing in space. And we know the Death Star really has no gravity as it is basically EMPTY space. On a New Hope (Episode IV) Obi-Wan has to disable the tractor grid in order to scape the original Death Star. it makes no sense for the second Death Star to have the tractor grid turned ON while still under construction, protected by a shield from the moon of Endor, and in the middle of a battle field with their own ships around.
On the other hand, all those dreadnoughts "floating" slowly is another issue, in space, size doesn't matter, those bug ships could move around just like Tie Fighters and X-wings. they show them moving slow just for the movie purposes. So, to do that, they would need to be in a steady orbit around the moon of Endor just like the Death star is. So even if you completely disable all engines on any of those ships, they would continue to be in orbit for some time before it starts to decay.
but assuming they were on some weird trajectory as they are in the middle of combat, only reason to "fall" would be that they are falling towards the moon of Endor, not the Death Star, so the only explanation for the fall would be that the Executor just happened to be on top of the Death Star when it lost control and started to fall towards the moon but crashed onto the Death Star. In the games, we see the crash took place close to the Super Laser plate, so this is another point for the games that did it right versus a horrible job from the movie.
Maybe in a galaxy not that far away, a long long time... in the future, a remake of the entire Star Wars franchise will happen and they will do justice to the battle of Endor.
Regardless, this is my favorite Star Wars movie no matter what, that battle is the most amazing battle and has the most amazing sequences including the destruction of the Death star (I can go for hours on how it also doesn't make sense), just wish George Lucas would have fixed some of the scenes since he took his dear time redoing most scenes from the battle of Yavin on A new Hope.
Cheers
It probably didnt help that that in Ep. 5 Vader took it though an asteroid feild, likely causing long term damage.
That was a year before the battle of Endor, by that point the ship had already been reserviced multiple times at Kuat Drive Yards and Fondor's shipyards. Additionally, the Executor's particle shielding was never breached during the chase through the asteroid field, so it never actually took damage.
Only the ISD 2 _Inexorable_ was actually damage during the protracted chase, losing it's bridge tower to a skyscraper sized asteroid that was missed on approach.
Asteroids are no concern to me I want that ship no excuses
Wait so if there’s no gravity in space then how did the executor fall down towards the Death Star...
or is the Death Star so big that it has its own gravitational pull?
Because there is no auxiliary bridge in that stupid large dagger
There were.
There were several. The problem was that they had only seconds to transfer command to one of them.
I always hated that sequence in ROTJ. I just could not suspend disbelief that much. At least show some of the Rebel capital ships pounding on it first. Instead we get a couple A-wings on a stupidly exposed shield gen, another tiny A-wing colliding with an infinitesimally small portion of the overall vessel, & an incompetent lack of backup steering which should certainly have had enough time to come online. It just felt like a bunch of rebel plot armor.
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Early part of the Battle of Endor: Rebel Fleet narrowly avoids smashing into Death Star's shields, Imperial Fleet led by Executor arrives in pre-planned pincer attack, trapping the Rebels between the Fleet and the Death Star. Rebels, surprised and disorganized, rally in defensive formation to avoid engaging the more powerful Imperial Capital Ships, relying on fighter squadrons to fend off TIE attacks. Imperial Fleet holds position to prevent Rebel escape, per the Emperor's direct orders. Death Star superlaser activates, instantly vaporizing a Mon Cal Cruiser, once again throwing the Rebels into disarray and demoralizing them to such a degree that Admiral Ackbar almost orders a full retreat. Had Calrissian not convinced him to remain and keep fighting I am convinced the Rebels fleet cohesion would've fallen apart and they would've been ripped to shreds by the Imperials trying to escape.
Middle of the Battle: Instead, when another cruiser is obliterated by the Death Star, Calrissian leads an all-out attack on the Imperial Fleet, not to attempt a breakthrough and escape, but to put the Star Destroyers between themselves and the Death Star. Ackbar, now going from defensive to all-out offensive tactics, utilizes his knowledge of Imperial ships and has the Rebel Fleet capitalize on any and all weaknesses in Imperial ship design and tactics, notably the famous Ackbar Slash is utilized, with Rebel ships diving between Star Destroyer formations in order to make Imperial gunners be more hesitant in order to avoid friendly fire. Nevertheless, the offensive capabilities of the Imperial ships means both sides take significant casualties in the all-out brawl that breaks out. Not since the Battle of Coruscant some 20 years ago have so many Capital Ships engage at such close ranges I don't think.
Piett, probably by now realizing the Rebels weren't trying to escape but intended to fight to the death, tries to redirect at least a portion of his Fleet, plus the Executor, closer to the Death Star. I personally believe he did this not only because it would allow him to bring the firepower of the Super Star Destroyer fully to bear, but also I think he had at least some communication lines on the Forest Moon and realized that the Rebel strike force wasn't actually neutralized and still fighting now with the assistance of the native Ewoks. I suspect he was trying to reposition the Executor so that, in case the Shield went down, the Rebels would have to go through Vader's Flagship before they could tackle the Death Star. There's also the possibility that he was also trying to gain some distance from the Rebels in case Palpatine decided to blow him up trying to get at the Rebels. Regardless, this left him all the more exposed to Rebel attacks, particularly the engines which Ackbar would absolutely jump at the chance to exploit, thus resulting in the likely significant damage to the Executor's engines, meaning to bridge crew would have to work all the harder to keep the ship steady as they got into the Death Star's gravity well.
Late stage of the Battle: Despite the Rebels efforts and the damaged engines, Piett is able to get into position and start to bring his firepower to bear. Ackbar, probably in desperation, orders all ships and fighters to concentrate on the Executor. I think he was just hoping to do as much damage as possible, particularly on the many, many, Many, weapons the SSD possessed. You can see the way Ackbar slumps in relief as he sees the Executor go down, with Arvel's heroic sacrifice bringing down the Bridge, combined with Piett's tactical incompetence bringing down the most powerful ship in the entire Battle. Thus clearing the way for the Rebel Fighters led by Calrissian to immediately take advantage of the Shields going down and fly in with relatively little resistance. The rest, as they say, is history.
Finally an explanation on the A-Wing kamikaze
I don't think the Executor crashed into the Death Star because it was captured by its gravity field.
When you do the maths and assume the Death Star is a 200 km diameter solid sphere of steel (the outer hull is made of quadanium steel plates but I assumed it was steel in my calculation), the gravitaional pull at the surface is 0.225 m/s^2.
Given that the Death Star was half-completed, not a solid sphere of the same material, that a fictional material is probably lighter/less dense than real-world steel and that the Executor was more than 19 km above the surface, the actual gravitational pull of the Death Star is minuscule. For example, keeping the assumptions of the previous paragraph and measuring the gravitational pull at 19 km above the surface gives 0.159 m/s^2.
What would make more sense is that the Executor got caught by Endor's gravitational pull and the Death Star was in the way. However, I don't remember if the ship/station were positioned in this way in the film.
TL;DR: The Death Star's gravity is very small therefore, the Executor was falling towards Endor but the Death Star was in the way.
So the real enemy of ssds is gravity
What's worse is Battlefront actively shows an SSD taking off from a planetary surface, so i'm gonna say the engines went haywire
I hate how it exploded... Like something that big would NOT create a fireball by crashing....
Me: *I guess he got lucky*
Eck: *Everything was coordinated to perfection*
Honestly I have always considered SW ships and space battles as lazy and poorly designed. I mean the Empire (also their First Order fellas) is always building big-as-hell flagships like Executors, Death Stars, Supremacy, Starkiller, ISDs and so on. There is a recurring scheme for Rebels "Oh noooo it so huge, what we gonna do" and then some guy crashes into the bridge and whole ship is destroyed. No redundancy, no emergency steering, no rescue plan. Rebels heavy ships are essentially the background, we see them poping out the hyperspace and than fighters are the only visible party. There is always a weak spot in the plain sight just so the fighters can hit it. SW space battle sucks and there is always clear path for Rebels/Resistance to win. Original Trilogy was done with lots of practical effects and making awesome space battle would have been expensive and troublesome, it is acceptable. Than we have Battle of Coruscant in the Prequels (IMO most compelling battle but a short one). There is a nice one in Rogue One. And in the Sequels we are back at lame battles again (E7 attack on Starkiller few starfighters against whole battleplanet pew pew boom, E8 boring and slow chase after Rebels transport ships, of course biggest flagship ending up in flames, E9 starfighters go pew pew boom against static ISDs fleet). Come on, SW can do better than this.
I don’t think that A-Wing pilot was a “kamikaze”. He was first shot at, lost control of his craft, and then just so happened to crash into the bridge deck of the super star destroyer. That’s a big difference than a kamikaze, which were premeditated suicide missions designed specifically to inflict damage into US ships by trained Japanese pilots in WWII. By the look of terror on the A-Wings pilot just before he crashed I don’t think there was anything premeditated about that. Please don’t use the term kamikaze so lightly either as there are still veterans of WWII traumatized by those events.
He pretty clearly pulls up after being hit. It probably wasn't premeditated, but he definitely did it intentionally. He saw an opportunity and took it.
This mostly true however if a Imperial Japanese pilot knew they would be shot down or where going down they would still fly into American Ships, thus kamikaze. You are right that most were pre-planned suicide runs but not all. Also I can almost guarantee you there is probably all of 1 guy who is a WWII vet that watches this channel, on Star Wars so traumatization isnt a factor unless you happen to be that ONE guy.
A ship that size would have multiple emergency bridges that would take over instantly after the primary bridge’s destruction, so I found that scene utterly ridiculous. 🤷🏽♂️ I would like to see the battle sequence redone to show what you described, then the scene could make a little more sense. 🤔
So she lost the bridge and one out of 13 engines. That still doesn't explain the sudden pitch downwards. The only thing I can come up with is the helmsman slumped over his controls at the last second, causing the final input to be held after the link between the bridge and engine assembly was severed
Actually if we go based on legends materials it makes a lot more sense, the executor right about before the the bridge was taken out had taken severe damage from the rebel capital ships, one of the main hangers was engulfed in flames from an attack by the millennium falcon, and heavy attacks from a wing of B-wings has set majority of her stern ablaze and she had begun listing hard to starboard, the when the A-wing hit the bridge it fuel caused a chain reaction which resulted in the middle section of the star destroyers power stations to be wiped out sending her full into a right turn dive, by that point it, the damage was so extensive that damage control couldn't regain control in the auxiliary command, which means there is no longer and flight controls keeping them up and subsequently pulled in by the death star's gravity wells
Well the a wing seems to have through the window before exploding so maybe the force of it threw the controls forward before the linkage broke?
This is my theory as well. When the bridge windows blew out, and since shields were totally down, it would have cause an explosive decompression, and since no one wore seat belts, they would have all been sucked out, and the pilot, on his way out may have hit the controls, pitching the shit over. and accelerating it at the same time. Follow flight controls on a plane, full throttle is forward, pitch down is also forward, hit both on the way out, pitch down, full throttle at the same time. and BOOM.
Sounds like Piett gambled big, and lost. Happens in real-world warfare too, there's examples of major vessels going down from extremely lucky strikes, back in WW2.
Last time I was this early my Grandma was alive. Anyways, love the vids and keep up the great work!
Rip to your Grandma
Did she fly the A-Wing?
@@yourstruly4817 lol, no. She WAS the A-wing
Ah, good ol' weekend. Just me, SW lore videos, and my virginity. Thanks for putting so much effort into this Ecks! :)
Don't get too comfortable, kid. U got 'work' to do:)
Imagine how overpowered this suicide run would be if it was possible in squadrons
Think of the German Battleship Bismarck in WWII. It was a monster and the pride of the German fleet. After it destroyed the HMS Hood, the order was given to sink the Bismarck at all cost. An attack by old, obsolete biplanes damaged the rudder, so the ship was basically stuck sailing in a huge circle. British ships then joined up and pounded the Bismarck until she either sank or was scuttled (there is some debate).
It was something like 9/11 shouting admiral ackbar
The Geth from Mass effect were right, "Windows are structural weakness" by focusing firepower on a bridge not only you can leave a capital ship out control and commandless but you are also killing vital high command officers in one blow, this is one little pet peeve i have with space sci fi tropes.
With that level of technology you dont need direct visual contact to command the ship thus the bridge should be inside deep in the most protected part of the ship, space ships combat should be more like irl submarines, but i guess that doesnt sell the appeal and also denies the "cool" trope of staring to the vast utter darkness of space to ship captains and admirals.
I’ve been waiting for this video all my life