What I find working for me (as well as the tips given in the video) was to actually do the motion very fast and coming to a full stop at ball contact after the usage of wrist and the pinch mentioned in the video. Doing the motion more quickly increases the spin dramatically, however it will take a lot of practise. Beware this is only what I've discovered recently, and might not work for everyone. Very good tips, guys, it really helped my development for creating heavier backspin.
Well done chaps. Btw, just to let the newbies, that most pros do not use this serve coz it creates so many attacking opportunities for the opponents. However, this serve is a great training to develop feeling n control for your other serves
A few things to improve this is to get lower on the serve - the contact point closer to the table. Also angle the bat past horizontal and actually brush diagonally upwards rather than straight across. Bear in mind the rubbers you have have a big impact on the amount of spin you can generate. Also some balls are too smooth and they just slide across the table and you will not see the ball coming back to you as much.
@@yaku_8856 yea I was trying random serves like top spin and side spin then I did that back spin serve and it worked pretty well then I watched this video and learened to do it consistently
For some reason this is the serve I'm doing as a beginner all naturally. I do the spin long version you talk about though because I'm new, but this will help me improve it I hope. Gotta hit it lower and have my bat more flat.
You are my role model you have taught me the best way for doing the ghost serve and I have learned it. You are best in the world you should open a table tennis coaching centre and it will be e running very good
I would love to see the next step for this serve: how to do a :"ghost" style backspin serve, but to learn now to disguise the spin, how to do topspin with the same basic motion, but pulling up on the bat, etc.
I do this serve for years now but on my last training i noticed what you also do in the video. We are throwing the ball backwards. After i noticed that i tried to serve throwing the ball straight up close to the table and could not do it. So for me the key for consistency is throwing the ball back a little like you can see him also do on 6:45
6:17 I think it's a urban legend that the ball needs so much space to get the friction on the rubber. I've heard this statement many times, but no prove about that. The ball doesn't travel along the rubber when contacting it. The keypoint for a bigger spin is the distance from the pivot point, which in this case is the elbow. In this same video, at slomo you can see that the contact is not where it's advised and, nevertheless, the ball has a lot of backspin.
Thanks alot! I've been improving my ghost serve alot lately, but after my mates got kind of confortable with it I saw your video and I realised I changed my bat angle for a more safe serve. Gonna be practicing alot more.
Great to hear Momchil, as we mentioned in the video this serve will improve your other serves to, simply because it will teach you better feeling on the ball.
He’s a man of his word, look at him he teaches us how to master it but his first serve didn’t work. This confirms that he put in a lot of effort to make this video so appreciate this video
OMG this is life saving, all of my serves are going off to the sides and didn't realize i'm adding some mysterious sidespin, thanks for the great content!!!
i really appreciate the effort u guys put in and according to me this is the best and the most detailed video for a backspin serve...i have been trying this serve for the past 4 years but couldn't do it...now i can master this too...thnx a lot guys...this video was a gr8 success
I am training the ghost serve, but I am adapting the way to hold the racket. I hold the racket in the same way as during the game, so that I don't run the risk of forgetting to change the racket's grip after the serve and gain a fraction of a second in thinking for the next hit on the ball.
Can I suggest that you have a sample lesson for the Par Gerell course. It's great to see this ghost serve tutorial, but it doesn't give any insight into the type of lesson that we would be buying: camera work, length of video, amount of slow-mo demo etc. are all important and I'd be more likely to buy the course having seen a clear sample.
Good video! I'm wondering though, how much distance can the ball be in contact with the racket when serving this way? Ie how long does it have to receive that spin from the flick of the racket? (given of course that the racket is completely flat, so no forward angle accelerates the bounce from the racket) I'm thinking, if the ball is in contact with the racket only a short amount of time (and distance on the racket's surface) then it would receive even more spin if you hit it with the far end of the racket (ie opposite of the handle). As with every rotation (and the flick of the racket is basically rotation) the points further from the axis of rotation travel faster than points closer to it, ie will receive more spin in shorter time. It'll be a bit trickier to get used to it, but as a serve (ie static situation) you should be able to train it as much as you want until you get it perfect.
Hey Stephen, thanks for the awesome comment! This is the best where I have found to teach people this serve. Many coaches adopt and use this approach to, especially in step 1.
A lot of player where I practice this the way I serve is magic. Trying to teach them how to keep it short and low. I show how to reverse serve to trick opponent it a lot to learn where they are.
Well even though the ball spins back to the net, all that really means is that it’s is very slow and can therefore be returned easier than a serve that is faster and still double bounces on the other side of the table
I agree. Most pros do half long. The ghost serve is great to mix in when playing someone who doesn't have a strong flick or soft touch for serve return.
Much more spin by hitting your rib with your racket and synchronously rotate your body to the table... The first step to learn Mitzutanis serve, but practize makes that serve look very easy when he does
When i do the ghost serve my serve goes very close to the net with a small amount of backspin . So my opponents just require a touch to receive my serve . What should i do to place the ball at sone more distance on my opponents' side?
when I try and brush the ball, it flies nealy 5 feet upward in the air. Making it impossible to create any kind of USABLE backspin. PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great, great explanation. Deceptively simple to do, but dawg knows, very hard to do consistently at first. Now, what is that bubble in the middle of the paddle? 🙄
As far as I saw from the TH-cam video, Ma Lin's serve movement is more complicated, especially at the end of the movement, when he pulls his hand back in a special way, including upward, and gives the ball an additional unpleasant rotation for the opponent. This is not shown here. Although the video itself is very good for people who are starting to master this pitch, thank you.
Hello coaches...sir just like to ask.. .. i changed my rubber now.. a TEBHAR K2 HYBRID hardness 57..and A HURRICANE 8 hardness 38.. My question is which rubber is good for back hand in for hand..? Pls i need some advice.. thank you..
Great video! I´ve been trying out this serve, long way to go, but I´m getting some balls to get fairly straight back to the net. Most of them however, come back but bounce more away from me to my forhand side. I think it´s because the position of my bath apparantly slighty downwards so it gets a little sidespin?
Who receive the point if I hit the ball with a backspin effect and the ball jump back to me and my opponent didn’t touch the ball? Its a received point for me or I have to still playing?
@@JinJeonPingPong , that is good all similar , the opponent always guessing which bad trick he will recieve , it jams similar to electronic warfare : confusion@ the .Damn covid stops my best sport ...we need collectively to move forward and Pong this virus.
Hey there!i am making progress with the ghost serve, just wanna know, my ball comes back to me from my own pitch instead of going back from my enemy's pitch, what am i doing wrong?I have good posture, elbow close to the body, bat is flat, i am brushing a lot of back spin.Help?!?
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This is the most detailed video ive seen about spin. This is a big help specially for us beginners. Please continue making more tutorials sir! 😊
Thanks Jovy great to hear!
Hey Jovy, will do! Thanks for watching :)
Yessss! Actually it's a very detailed video and very very very helpful....By the way tomorrow is my match😅😅😅
This ghost serve video also gave me a detailed guide to do regular spin.
agreed
Dan Vs Otto NOW !!!
Daň vs pongfinity
*Dan
@Chris 07 Dan vs Emil, vs Mikka and vs Otto hahaha
No, Den VS MIKKA
Pongfiniti, i think mikka best. WHO AGREE WITH ME???
What I find working for me (as well as the tips given in the video) was to actually do the motion very fast and coming to a full stop at ball contact after the usage of wrist and the pinch mentioned in the video. Doing the motion more quickly increases the spin dramatically, however it will take a lot of practise. Beware this is only what I've discovered recently, and might not work for everyone.
Very good tips, guys, it really helped my development for creating heavier backspin.
2:25 that serve was insane
Ypu i have finally mastered it
They should have taught that one
It can be easy flicked. It's cool by very dumb against professional or good amateur players.
@@lilugly6876 nice
@@Mateus.007 Yes, I just try to serve it half long, so that the opponent might attack. Since I am more comfortable in the rally.
Well done chaps. Btw, just to let the newbies, that most pros do not use this serve coz it creates so many attacking opportunities for the opponents.
However, this serve is a great training to develop feeling n control for your other serves
Hey Azlan totally agree with you. Its a great practice to develop feeling and touch 🏓
Azlan Othman i also stopped using it because my opponents have the ability to counter it easily.
A few things to improve this is to get lower on the serve - the contact point closer to the table. Also angle the bat past horizontal and actually brush diagonally upwards rather than straight across. Bear in mind the rubbers you have have a big impact on the amount of spin you can generate. Also some balls are too smooth and they just slide across the table and you will not see the ball coming back to you as much.
I managed to do a serve where it landed like 5cm behind the net and went into it. Practice makes perfect
I randomly learned it
@@silentsliceyt4504 really?
@@yaku_8856 yea I was trying random serves like top spin and side spin then I did that back spin serve and it worked pretty well then I watched this video and learened to do it consistently
This serve won me nearly all my games
For some reason this is the serve I'm doing as a beginner all naturally. I do the spin long version you talk about though because I'm new, but this will help me improve it I hope. Gotta hit it lower and have my bat more flat.
I particularly liked the point about adding pressure to your training. Table tennis is a very psychological game!
im playing for the hong kong youth team and i really wanna say thanks to dan and tom for helping me inprove my ghost serve....
The Serving Technique is very well demonstrated, many thanks
You are my role model you have taught me the best way for doing the ghost serve and I have learned it. You are best in the world you should open a table tennis coaching centre and it will be e running very good
I would love to see the next step for this serve: how to do a :"ghost" style backspin serve, but to learn now to disguise the spin, how to do topspin with the same basic motion, but pulling up on the bat, etc.
I do this serve for years now but on my last training i noticed what you also do in the video. We are throwing the ball backwards. After i noticed that i tried to serve throwing the ball straight up close to the table and could not do it. So for me the key for consistency is throwing the ball back a little like you can see him also do on 6:45
6:17 I think it's a urban legend that the ball needs so much space to get the friction on the rubber. I've heard this statement many times, but no prove about that. The ball doesn't travel along the rubber when contacting it. The keypoint for a bigger spin is the distance from the pivot point, which in this case is the elbow.
In this same video, at slomo you can see that the contact is not where it's advised and, nevertheless, the ball has a lot of backspin.
Thanks alot! I've been improving my ghost serve alot lately, but after my mates got kind of confortable with it I saw your video and I realised I changed my bat angle for a more safe serve. Gonna be practicing alot more.
Ghost serve is useless tho
Great to hear Momchil, as we mentioned in the video this serve will improve your other serves to, simply because it will teach you better feeling on the ball.
@@waszkreslem9306 your life is useless until now from 2 yrs ago beach
@@waszkreslem9306 Yeah but its satisfying and cool to watch the ball bounce back towards you
He’s a man of his word, look at him he teaches us how to master it but his first serve didn’t work. This confirms that he put in a lot of effort to make this video so appreciate this video
It was really so good now my game began better
OMG this is life saving, all of my serves are going off to the sides and didn't realize i'm adding some mysterious sidespin, thanks for the great content!!!
I've been looking for more ghost serve videos. You guys did so well in this one!
Specture U BOT
@@fcitsmehd5346 😑
Thanks Specture! :)
@@TableTennisDaily your welcome!
@@juven_gamingyou’re
Wow! I played against my dad and he was shocked. I definitely subbed! Amazing tutorial!
Hi. Have you plan a video on backhand serve please ?
i really appreciate the effort u guys put in and according to me this is the best and the most detailed video for a backspin serve...i have been trying this serve for the past 4 years but couldn't do it...now i can master this too...thnx a lot guys...this video was a gr8 success
I am training the ghost serve, but I am adapting the way to hold the racket. I hold the racket in the same way as during the game, so that I don't run the risk of forgetting to change the racket's grip after the serve and gain a fraction of a second in thinking for the next hit on the ball.
Finally mastered this after a year of playing - accelerating and parallel bat angle were key
Can I suggest that you have a sample lesson for the Par Gerell course. It's great to see this ghost serve tutorial, but it doesn't give any insight into the type of lesson that we would be buying: camera work, length of video, amount of slow-mo demo etc. are all important and I'd be more likely to buy the course having seen a clear sample.
Hi playandteach thanks for the suggestion. Good shout we will look into this.
A similar step by step guide for reverse pendulum serve would be highly appreciated!
Hey Vivek, we will look into this. We have this serve on our Academy website
Good video!
I'm wondering though, how much distance can the ball be in contact with the racket when serving this way?
Ie how long does it have to receive that spin from the flick of the racket? (given of course that the racket is completely flat, so no forward angle accelerates the bounce from the racket)
I'm thinking, if the ball is in contact with the racket only a short amount of time (and distance on the racket's surface) then it would receive even more spin if you hit it with the far end of the racket (ie opposite of the handle). As with every rotation (and the flick of the racket is basically rotation) the points further from the axis of rotation travel faster than points closer to it, ie will receive more spin in shorter time.
It'll be a bit trickier to get used to it, but as a serve (ie static situation) you should be able to train it as much as you want until you get it perfect.
Best service video I seen. I not easy trying to explain how to serve properly to young player I just get them to watch this.
Hey Stephen, thanks for the awesome comment! This is the best where I have found to teach people this serve. Many coaches adopt and use this approach to, especially in step 1.
A lot of player where I practice this the way I serve is magic. Trying to teach them how to keep it short and low.
I show how to reverse serve to trick opponent it a lot to learn where they are.
Hi dan, why were you using the infinity vps rather than your normal time bill alc
Thanks for the lesson. I would love to see some Chinese penhold service.
1st time watching you guys and your the only guys that are so detailed on the serve tutorials, good job nice video.
When i serve my ball has lots of backspin but it not go over the net what to do
Land the ball more towards the net on your side of the table. You are serving to close to your base line 🏓
Does it happen for penhold users differently?
Most helpful for beginners, as explained in very detail.
I surely find this is the most fundamentally complete video for backspin serve...
Very good explanations , did it on the first try !
Well even though the ball spins back to the net, all that really means is that it’s is very slow and can therefore be returned easier than a serve that is faster and still double bounces on the other side of the table
Precisely. It doesnt actually look that effective
I agree. Most pros do half long. The ghost serve is great to mix in when playing someone who doesn't have a strong flick or soft touch for serve return.
Great tutorial!!
Much more spin by hitting your rib with your racket and synchronously rotate your body to the table... The first step to learn Mitzutanis serve, but practize makes that serve look very easy when he does
Excellent explanation guys 👍 I will surely practice it tomorrow
Thanks Rameez and good work!
Great stuff let us know how you get on!
Very nice tutorial I have mastered this service and its very effective when you are losing points... thanks
Great video, as always. By the way, I would really appreciate a toturial of the reverse pendelum serve.
Hi Chris here you are, as promised :) th-cam.com/video/a2qDUlEe1ck/w-d-xo.html
@@TableTennisDaily you're a legend for not breaking the promise
Thank you so much! This was very helpful, and you guys have explained how to perform this serve very well. Earned a subscriber!
Why do u have verification tick ur not lucy
banterlona What?
@@banterlona8166 its fake
@@nataliemorales4599 can I have your youtube channel please?
The slow-mo take at 4:55 is superb. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Santiago! Thanks for following 😀
Glad you enjoyed it Santiago 👍
Great video, thank you for sharing! 👍🏽
Thanks for following D J 🙌🏓
Very nice ! Am going to practice with a big bowl of balls. Warm regards from France
Thankyou so much sir a learnd a little bit😅. I need more practice to do this searve💕
Hi Dan, thanks for the tips 😉👌 it will improve my serve for sure 💪🏼 bets regards from a small german film maker
When i do the ghost serve my serve goes very close to the net with a small amount of backspin . So my opponents just require a touch to receive my serve . What should i do to place the ball at sone more distance on my opponents' side?
Hey are you a table tennis player??? And where are you from?????
@@swarnavaghoshal8744 naah. I have only gone to district level. INDIA
Ohh...I'm a national table tennis player ....from India🙏🙏
And what's your name??????
That's the main reason ghost serves aren't used by players. They are more of a lesson for spin feeling.
when I try and brush the ball, it flies nealy 5 feet upward in the air. Making it impossible to create any kind of USABLE backspin. PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're just bad
@@elkheyou4061 noooooo
Main thing is to stay low and modify your grip to the serving grip so that you are able to control your bat smoothly when you serve.
I'm an athlete in table tennis it really helped me thank u
Great to hear 💪💪
U deserve millions of subscribers
Great, great explanation. Deceptively simple to do, but dawg knows, very hard to do consistently at first. Now, what is that bubble in the middle of the paddle? 🙄
@TableTennisDaily can u both please tell your rackets blade and rubbers
Its weird how quickly I pick up these techniques since I'm also a painter, so a loose hand is already not a problem for me XD
Please review Donic Baracuda. It is very popular but i cant find any review of it
Barracuda is good rubber. Many pro player played barracuda before tenegy 05 for backhand.
I heard it's the most spinny rubber in history and I wonder if its true
@@tomaszmroczko2573 No, 05 is more spinner than Baracuda.
@@user-ee2jw2oz5r accordig to revspin baracuda is a bit more spinny
You might tell us what kinda rubber gives this much spin.
I'm not a very good player, but I can actually do this easily with the Xiom vega europe
Rubber that are either grippy or sticky. Euro tensors or Chinese style rubbers.
This was so helpful. thanks man
Super helpful! You are a great teacher.
The only channel which is really making things easy to learn
Thanks
Thank you Sir. Very good tutorial...im understand and direct practice...😁😁😎👌👍👏
Thanks that helped try and play vs otto
Best explanation on TH-cam!
Great tutorial video! Thanks!
I can't tell which one of you talking, both of your voice are so similar 😂
Most detailed tutorial
Nice step by step guidance.
I will learn from here.. Good & clear explanation..
I will try this next time.
youre an absolute king have my kids
Great video and breakdown 👍🏽👍🏽
Do how to reverse pendulum serve pls
Hey Mustafa, on the Academy website we feature the pendulum serve
Hey Mustafa here you are :) th-cam.com/video/a2qDUlEe1ck/w-d-xo.html
Hello. A very useful guide. Greetings from Poland
As far as I saw from the TH-cam video, Ma Lin's serve movement is more complicated, especially at the end of the movement, when he pulls his hand back in a special way, including upward, and gives the ball an additional unpleasant rotation for the opponent. This is not shown here. Although the video itself is very good for people who are starting to master this pitch, thank you.
I'm a novice, how much difference does the paddle make? I'm assuming a good bit
A lot
@@lape8984 thank you, I figured that it does. I can't get any spin off my $10 paddle lol.
thank you. very valuable tutorial :)
Cool...easy to follow and practise...thanks...👍🇮🇩
Hello coaches...sir just like to ask.. .. i changed my rubber now.. a TEBHAR K2 HYBRID hardness 57..and A HURRICANE 8 hardness 38..
My question is which rubber is good for back hand in for hand..? Pls i need some advice.. thank you..
Hey great vid uhh actually what happened is that when am using that grip it always slips from my hand any suggestion
show tenho aprendido bastante meu saques melhorou muito thank you sou much.you doin a good jon.
Great video! I´ve been trying out this serve, long way to go, but I´m getting some balls to get fairly straight back to the net. Most of them however, come back but bounce more away from me to my forhand side. I think it´s because the position of my bath apparantly slighty downwards so it gets a little sidespin?
Who receive the point if I hit the ball with a backspin effect and the ball jump back to me and my opponent didn’t touch the ball? Its a received point for me or I have to still playing?
Excellent tuto , in general how many serves a good player must control @ perfection to get the edge in his category ?
Have at least 3 good serves that all look similar to trick your opponent.
@@JinJeonPingPong , that is good all similar , the opponent always guessing which bad trick he will recieve , it jams similar to electronic warfare : confusion@ the .Damn covid stops my best sport ...we need collectively to move forward and Pong this virus.
Beautiful explanation
Very detailed video, good for beginners. Cheers to you. pls continue making videos!!!😁😃😃
Thanks for the video!
This is beautiful. Came at the right moment
Hey there!i am making progress with the ghost serve, just wanna know, my ball comes back to me from my own pitch instead of going back from my enemy's pitch, what am i doing wrong?I have good posture, elbow close to the body, bat is flat, i am brushing a lot of back spin.Help?!?
When you gonna collab with pongfinity?
probably never
This is very very very helpful thank you for making this video!!
I took the feeling, the serve is like a ghost now, thank you
Show how to do reverse pendulum serve please
Check out Tomorrow Table Tennis, he gives a good in-depth explanation of many serves to learn
#1 tip for that: get your elbow nice and high
We also feature this video on the TableTennisDaily Academy
Hey Hiraipal, here is the reverse serve :) th-cam.com/video/a2qDUlEe1ck/w-d-xo.html
What kind of paddle do you use?
how sticky should my paddle be? i cannot pick up the ball with it more than 1 cm but it's pretty grippy.
Great video
As a beginner I find it easy to learn 😀
Please make a equipment review of tenergy 80 🤗🙏🙏🏓
What blade dan using in this video ?
looks like Stiga infinity vps
Hey, in this video it was a Infinity VPS with Tenergy 05 rubbers.