12 Days of Celtic Myth 3.7 - Bird Gods?

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  • @KrisHughes
    @KrisHughes  วันที่ผ่านมา

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    • @our-story7721
      @our-story7721 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Oh boy, where to start!
      OK, on TH-cam I have been commenting on your challenge videos as "Our-Story7721".
      On there I am known as Larry Cyprus.
      In 2022, I was introduced to the works of Graham K Griffiths (GKG), in his book "Behold Jerusalem". I was able to exchange emails with him before his death earlier this year.
      GKG's work, I felt, was incomplete, as it excluded Eire, Isle of Mann, and Scotland.
      I was quickly able to identify Eire, and a few months later I was given the clues to crack the Isle of Mann.
      Finally, in April 2024, I was able to give full definition to Scotland! Then I was struck down by a life threatening situation, which has now been rectified!
      My Albion Zodiac (based upon GKGs work) is our pre-history. I am able to say that the construction of our coastline is at least 25,000 years old and calls upon at least 52,000 if not 78,000 years of accurately recorded Astrological information. This then means that written records/languages existed at least 77,000 years ago.
      I feel I need to basically do all your classes, as there are clues to my future research scattered throughout the Celtic (and other) Mythologies.

  • @GemmaFinnegan
    @GemmaFinnegan วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Mannanán was the first Irish deity I was told stories about so he has always had a special place in my heart. I did know that he was said to come from the Isle of Man - a land of mists. There is lots of interesting folklore about him on the Isle of Man - a good friend lived in Douglas and told me that every midsummer the people of Man were said to pay rent to Manannán - or Mannanan beg - in the form of rushes. This was to ensure prosperity for the next year.

  • @patrickhutchins4176
    @patrickhutchins4176 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I had no idea that the Isle of Man was named for or gives name to Mannanan mac Lir!
    The offering of handful of rushes to Mannanan at the summer solstice was really inyeresting to me. I like learning the rituals that are associated with Celtic deities and significant times of the year, so I can decide to incorporate them or not into my own ways of honoring the wheel of the year. I might have to bring some rushes to the high hill behind my home in a few months!

  • @karriek.3429
    @karriek.3429 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I did know about the Mannanan/Isle of Man connection, but only because it came up in the class discussion I sat in on the other day. One of the many benefits of attending the live sessions! Since I don't really have a fun fact to share, I did do a quick google search and found a cool museum on the Isle of Man called The House of Mannanan which might be fun to take the family to!

  • @wanderplea
    @wanderplea วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I never knew about that connection! It makes all the sense though! 😊 I work in retail in the UK, and I always get excited when a coin from the Isle pops up in my till, but now I have even more reason to get excited!
    The fun fact that really made me gleeful when I searched this today was on good ol’ Wikipedia: A document called the "Supposed True Chronicle of Man" (16th century) asserts that Manannan was the first "ruler of Mann" and "was as paynim (pagan), and kept, by necromancy, the Land of Man under mists", and imposed as tax a bundle of green rushes, which was due every Midsummer Eve at a place called Warfield (the present-day South Barrule).[111]”
    I just love the title “Supposed”. Also, as someone obsessed with the Rankin Bass holiday specials, this feels like something that would randomly pop up in one of those holiday specials, leaving my like “What random mythology did we pull this from- I thought this was about Groundhog Day.” 😅 anyway, love this random bit and I love folklore for holding gems like this.

    • @wanderplea
      @wanderplea วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Also, I never considered that necromancy included mist powers.

  • @aria9756
    @aria9756 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    I did not know about the Manannan/Isle of Man connection! It makes intuitive sense that a sea god could also be the local god of a particular island, or that there could be a kind of fluidity there. In exploring the topic a little bit I found out that some folklore suggests that the symbol of the Isle of Man itself, the three legs as a wheel, could be a representation of a form of Manannan himself. It's suggested that either he assumed this form to repel invaders, or else simply walked around on three legs at some point. The connection is deep indeed!

  • @jenniferreid-k1p
    @jenniferreid-k1p วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I knew it -but only because of your courses! the only point I could think of automatically was it has a cool statue of Mannanan.
    However I have been sent down a rabbit hole. The earliest recorded names for the Isle of Mann is from Julius Caeser, and the name seems to be related to the word for mountain. Convert that (ok I converted to Cornish as I read this was the closest to Brythonic -and my Brythonic is non-existant!) and it converts to mena. So lots of similar sounding names. So was the place originally called after Mannanan - but misheard by the Romans and changed into something that made more sense to them - isle of mountains (although it seems more hilly than mountanous!). Or was it named after being hilly/mountanous but then converted by the Manx to honour a deity figure. Or was the deity figure Mannanan created to somehow expain the name later on when the Roman link to mountain had been lost forgotten. I do like the twisty paths we can take with all of this!

    • @our-story7721
      @our-story7721 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @jenniferreid-k1p
      Interesting to note the Romans written record calls it the Isle of Mann, on a couple of counts,..
      1, we're told there was no written records prior to the Romans (probably because the Romans destroyed them).
      2, presumably the Roman occupation predates the manuscript telling of Mannanán, so if I've got this the right way around (sorry if I haven't), if Mannanán gave his name to IOM then Mannanán predates the Romans alleged invasion, which may affect some timelines. 🤔
      I use the word "alleged" as the truth of history seems to have crumbled in the past few years, for myself at least.

    • @jenniferreid-k1p
      @jenniferreid-k1p 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@our-story7721 - yep, both points 1 and 2 are definitly correct. I also feel that it is likely that the island was originally called after Mannanan. What I don't know if there are any preRoman suggestions that Mannanan "existed" pre Roman times - it is always a possibility that he is a relatively modern (ie peri Roman/post Roman) "invention" - or at least a modern name for the concept of a sea god. I do like the lack of facts that means I can speculate to my hearts content!!!

    • @our-story7721
      @our-story7721 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @jenniferreid-k1p sometimes speculation is all we can do, but sometimes the landscape itself sings to us in a most beautiful repose, although once we awake from its tranquility, we are left with a cascade of chaotic thoughts that are at odds to the worlds common concepts, thus proving that the deception of education has been so deeply accepted that we need to deprogramme the very core of our existence before we can accept this sweet melody as truth!
      Sorry if this seems a little unclear right now, but I'm sure you will see what I mean within a year from now!
      As to your reference to the Romans calling it the Isle of Mountains (or similar),... imagine if there was no water in the Irish Sea! Would you not see a mountainous plateau before you, if standing on the now seabed? And, drawing upon my Albion Zodiac work (sorry, I will reference this a lot), if the Isle of Mann is the home of God or Wisdom, should we not view the Isle as Olympus? As surely those that fashioned the coastline of the British Isles would surely have been seen as Gods, especially in stature, and these islands, we now call home, were once renowned to be frequented by giants. Two fossilised remains are shown in my videos on here, although the 60km tall one may seem unbelievable, I am aware of a far larger fossil but that will only bring more questions and confusion to light!
      My hope is, that these myths will bring some clarity to my thoughts and future research.
      Larry 😎👍

    • @jenniferreid-k1p
      @jenniferreid-k1p ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@our-story7721 ok -question for you. I have very quickly looked at your webpage. My immediate questions are - when do you think the divisions that you see of the ALbion zodiac were noticed/created (given different cultures have slightly different intepretations, The oldest Babylonian has clear differences with the more recent Greek etc). The other (and I may have got the wrong idea from my quick skim) -the fitting of the zodiacal symbols into the landscape seems to presuppose that the coastline has not changed since whenever the Albion zodiac was created/discovered. But the coastline does alter, and relatively quickly (in geological terms anyway!) -so the symbols that have been mapped onto the landscape may not have fitted the coastline pattern from over 2000 years ago. I am definitly with you in listening to the landscape -one of the reasons I define myself as an animist!

  • @Evan-dwi
    @Evan-dwi วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Thanks to your splendid Manannán and Beyond course I did know about the connection to Ynys Manaw.
    My little factoid pertains to the children of Llŷr collectively rather than just Manawydan. The descriptor of their father as Llediaith (half-speech) may indicate that he or they come from somewhere other than Wales/Britain. Perhaps a nod to storytellers crossing boundaries and adopting tales from traders or gursts at court.

  • @jamesrussell8571
    @jamesrussell8571 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I am really enjoying the series, and engaging with the challenge strictly for fun. I couldn't possibly add to my coursework in the next few months...
    You mentioned the book by Gwilym Morus-Baird, Taliesin Origins... I have the book, but haven't had the time to really delve into it yet. I also wanted to thank you for the link to the GPC. I just recently started a course on learning Welsh, and I am sure it will come in handy.
    As far as the challenge question(s): to the first part of the question I believe I have heard of it before, but I have to admit I know very little about it. I believe I had mentioned I have only begun to dip my toes into the pool.
    As to the second part: Manannán mac Lir is often depicted as the protector of the Isle of Man, shielding it with his magical mist, known as the "Cloak of Mists," to hide it from invaders. Also, several locations on the Isle of Man are linked to Manannán, such as South Barrule, thought to be one of his dwellings, and the coastal areas where fishermen sought his blessings.
    Brightest blessings,
    Jim /|\

    • @KrisHughes
      @KrisHughes  13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I'm sorry to hear that you don't feel able to join a class, as you're on course, so far...

    • @jamesrussell8571
      @jamesrussell8571 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @KrisHughes I am very interested in the Introduction to Celtic Mythology course. And I am reconsidering, making the time to take advantage of what would surely be a great opportunity.

  • @achandler540
    @achandler540 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I knew about Mannanan's connection with the Isle of Man, but most of what I know about him is not directly related to the Isle of Man. I knew about his cloak of mists that he used to hide and protect the island. Years ago, I read several more modern folktales from the Isle of Man and Manannan made a cameo appearance in most of them. On an Isle of Man visitors website, I found that Manannan is said to have held his court from Manannan's Chair at Cronk y Voddy. Loved this day seven challenge because now I'm going to have to go dust off some more Mannanan tales and add them to my repertoire.

  • @WORD_VIRUS
    @WORD_VIRUS 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I did know about the Isle of Man connection but that’s about the extent of my knowledge so far in that regard. I believe in Manx legend he is thought to be the Island’s first ruler, and I know there are tales of Manannan essentially working as a great illusionist, shrouding the island in mist to protect it from invaders and whatnot. I have not looked into the figure(s) of Manannan too deeply yet though so this is good impetus to do so.

  • @DareValley
    @DareValley 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I did not know that Manannán/Manawydan was associated with The Isle of Man, but as soon as you mentioned it I couldn't help but think about Triad 49 (three exalted prisoners) that states that Llyr, father of Bran and Manawydan, was imprisoned by Euroswydd, the father of Nisien and Efnysien (Bran and Manawydan's half brothers). So... Bran and Manawydan's father was imprisoned by their half brother's father! I wonder if there is a lost "How I Met Your Mother" tale out there somewhere?
    Anyway, the reason The Isle of Man made me think of this... Euroswydd is likely the Welsh name for a legendary King of the Isle of Man... Who had two sons Eshyn and Ny-Eshyn (like Nisien and Efnysien, one is good and the other evil). But it's the half brother Manawydan that is named after the Isle?

    • @KrisHughes
      @KrisHughes  20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Ooh - we should talk about this on www.reddit.com/r/BrythonicPolytheism ! I would love to know your source for this, etc.. .

  • @annitelford8437
    @annitelford8437 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    1. Yes I did know of the connection.
    2. Siorrachd Chlach Mhanann is Clackmannanshire in Scotland. The town of Clackmannan lies at the head of the Firth of Forth and the Clach of Manannan lies on top of a stone pillar, which was added later.
    There is a place in Galloway not far from where I live called Dirvanie which Maxwell, in the Place Names of Galloway suggests comes from Dwrrymannany - Doire Mhanannaich. Manannan’s wood. Thus Manannan would appear to have been both a Scottish and Irish deity leaving his mark on place names in both countries.
    Interesting fact about the Isle of Man - it’s not bears you mustn’t mention but rats. They usually refer to them as long tails.

  • @tampablue6678
    @tampablue6678 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I did know about the connection but I don't know much than that. I knew that some explain Manannan was no more than a successful and powerful merchant. Not related to Manannan but the tailless Manx cat is said to have come from the Isle. I had one in the 70s. Wonderful friend.

  • @our-story7721
    @our-story7721 วันที่ผ่านมา

    OK, I'm on familiar ground here, although you may find this totally "Way Out There!".
    So, yes, I was aware of Mannanán and his association with the Isle of Mann, but this is then where my own thoughts and research is going to blow some peoples minds!
    I even did a video on the whole subject, although it doesn't really explore the Taliesin connection in great detail!
    So, I would ask you to look at the shape of the Isle of Mann and the similarity to the shape of God, surrounded by a Choir of Angels on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel!
    There is also a link to the Astrological "Don’s Cauldron" (Ceridwen's Cauldron) and the Awen (Cassiopeia), and in the Star Map of Gwynedd, Don’s Cauldron is the source of the River Dee.
    So on the Sistine Chapel, are we looking at Taliesin in a Coracle (Corwgl: Cloaked Choir) rather than God surrounded by Choir or Angels, which in turn are encapsulated in a crimson rug? And has this Coracle not just floated down the Dee Estuary to find itself slap bang in the middle of the Irish Sea?
    Is Adam, on the Sistine Chapel really Gemini (Liverpool is the face and Birkenhead the raised arm - also see Gemini in Glastonbury Zodiac), and the land he reclines upon (on the Sistine Chapel depiction) is the Flintshire coastline of the Dee Estuary!
    Also, this depiction of the Cloaked Choir has also been shown to mimic the human brain, with the red rug/cloak forming a dissected skull.
    This imagery then says to me that God lives within our brain (within the pineal gland) but also that the image of wisdom (Taliesin?) is interchangeable with this image of God, for surely, to have all knowledge of the world/universe is to be God-like.
    Is the knowledge of the world/universe locked away within our pineal gland or in our DNA?
    I believe Myths are key to my better understanding of the Albion Zodiac.
    And Scotland, as shown in my New Horizons video, is an Egyptian Winged God! He has the face of a man but body and wings of a bird. In his hand, he holds up the Was-Scepter and wears a Hedjet (Egyptian Crowns) on his head and has a long beard as depicted in Sumerian pictures. I still need to do my final presentation video to show this within my Albion Zodiac series.

  • @CptEtgar
    @CptEtgar วันที่ผ่านมา

  • @Kenbreg
    @Kenbreg 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Please say 'Ceredigion', not 'Cardigan'. Thanks.

    • @KrisHughes
      @KrisHughes  8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks. I'll do my best.