The Worlds Only Airworthy Gloster Meteor F.8 Jet Fighter
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The world's only operational Gloster Meteor F.8 jet fighter is shown here during a display at the Temora Aviation Museum in Australia. This aircraft is painted in the colours of the aircraft flown by Sgt George Hale during the Korean War.
This video was shot at Temora in NSW, Australia.
Video by: Anthony Portelli, an Historical Aviation Film Unit Media Partner
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Flew the mk 8 for the first 2 years with the Royal Netherlands airforce ,it was a joy to fly, l am 90 now but remember it well
Willem Langenberg I bet that was amazing!
Wow
I genuinely thank you for your service good sir :)
This plane was my childhood.In the entrance of Neuquen airport on Argentina there is a Gloster meteor on a pillar!
Wow. 90! My mother cannot even use TH-cam but you can. Props to you sir.
Thanks for this, my Grandpa died in one in 1951, still have his log book, flight manual and letter from his squadron leader.........
Colin Taylor did he die in combat or something else happened?
Hi Praz, No, it was a 2 seater MK 8 and he was the training instructor, crash report states that the fuel gauge was in front with with pupil pilot and nothing in the rear with flight instructor, pupil pilot didnt pay attention to fuel gauge and they stalled at low altitude on landing approach and crashed....
Colin Taylor . I’m sure the Meteor went through fuel like there’s no tomorrow. After the cause was determined I wonder if a second contents gauge was installed in the type.
There are at least two other operational Gloster Meteors in the world besides this one. The Martin-Baker Aircraft Company, based at Chalgrove Airfield in Oxfordshire , England uses Meteors to test ejector seats. WL419 and WA638 are both registered to the Martin-Baker Company.
Excellent looking aircraft. Still looks modern.
My dad, was in the RAF during ww2 on an airfield where saw a Gloster Whittle take off
Over 1,000 Gloster "Meatboxes" crashed killing 450 RAF pilots
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sandyboy, as you know the mech failure/pilot error loss rate for the Me 262 was much higher than for the Gloster Meteor which probably contributed to the fact that after the war nobody wanted the Me 262, not even the Argentinians who were being advised by Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland. The Gloster Meteor of course had a service career of more than thirty five years and with more than a dozen air forces. One of the first jet aircraft aircraft the Germans got after the war was as you know the F104 Starfighter mostly built under license by the Germans and to their own spec. As you know Sandyboy, the Germans managed to destroy 32% of their own aircraft in crashes due mostly to pilot error killing 115 pilots in just ten years of service. The odd thing was of course that none of the other operators experienced such a bad loss rate. As you know, it became clear that corruption and bribery amongst German officials (an old nazi habit no doubt) had led to the Germans taking on an aircraft beyond the capabilities of their pilots, even so modern a jet and so far into the jet age.
In about 1960 my father, Jim Flatley, purchased six of those auxiliary fuel tanks from the Dept of Supply. He used them to build a Rocket merry-go-round. When they arrived at our house we opened the tanks and found quite a bit of smelly jet fuel still inside! In a tribute to this aircraft, he painted the A77 numbers on the front of each module. I believe the tanks are now at the Evans Head Memorial Airfield Museum.
how did you open the fuel tanks?
@@gabrielnascimento126 From memory, there were a number of “bungs”.
My Grandfather flew Meteors after the war. He loved them. Theres a couple near my home. One wartime Meteor in immaculate condition.
On exchange from the RAAF, I used to look after it at RAF Brawdy in the U.K in the early 80s, it flew alongside with the RAF Hawker Hunter in the weapons training role. After I left the RAF, I formed a company, Delta Jets, to my surprise, this Meteor came into my companies hands, it was purchased by the Temora guys and I was so happy to help with the engineering team to dispatch it to Australia, I'll be going home to Australia to re familiarise myself with her this year, I'm looking forward to seeing the oll girl...
Andrew Ward Wow thats awesome, wish I had the experiences youve had
Bailey Bisson I own my Hawker Hunter now, I been a aircraft engineer since leaving school in 1980...
Andrew Ward Wow! Im hoping to join the RNZAF soon but knowing how many aircraft we have compared to the RAAF gets me thinking about whether to join them instead
Bailey Bisson yes the RAAF have a good inventory of heavy metal fighter jets, F18 etc, including F35 in production as we speak, I would certainly consider the RAAF.... Enjoy, if I could wind back the clock ⏰ I would do it all over again....
Bailey Bisson the RNZAF is a couple of Moari with a hang glider in case you weren't aware.
Many thanks as a plane lover in the States to you Aussies for preserving this fine and FlightWorthy beautiful and historic craft.
saw the video of the meteor shooting down a MIg 15 over Korea in 1950 by an Australian Meteor
@@nottyash100 Was that the drunk pilot shot down on Chinese New Year? He actually survived and was court martialed for flying drunk.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 All your heroes were tried at Nuremberg many years ago so shut it.
@@nottyash100 Queen Victoria and Britain was never punished for its mass genocide and crimes against humanity.
The British invented the _Concentration Camps_
And the Victorian Holocaust murdered over 100 million innocent people.
The only thing worse than fascist country is a hypocritical fascist country.
Heil King Karl (Charles)III of England!
@@sandervanderkammen9230 just go away you have been beaten soundly twice go and do us all a favour and see a person to deal with your hate problems.
It sort of reminds me of an A-10 but without the GAU 30mm and with the engines moved to the wings instead of the rear.
exactly what I thought
The original Meteor had a beautiful tail.
Yes, this isnt the original meteor
The original tail was fatally flawed..
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Like your head.
Nothing wrong with its tail. It's a superior British tail🇬🇧
@@awatt *Then why was Gloster forced to change it?*
Thanks again for the post.
Lovely to see one flying! Thanks for posting 👍
The Meteor f8 was very nice to see, saw a few in the 50s, THANKS
I saw a lot of these aircraft in the 50's
that was most interesting also with the information provided on the operations of this beautiful aircraft..thank you !..
Late to the party on this vid, but hats off to the Termora flying museum. I went to one of their open days in 2003 or 04, and had a blast. Not only did they fly the Spitfire MkVIII, Mustang, Boomerang and Canberra bomber (LOUD!!!!), Dick Smith turned up with his mate, Chuck Yeager! Unbelievable. Wish I'd known Yeager was coming; I'd have brought my copy of Winged Rocketry for him to sign. ;-)
Happy to see it flying it today
This is so cool
*From official MoD records, 150 Gloster Meteors crashed in 1 year, 12 crashed in just 1 week and there were 6 fatal crashes in a single day... the flying coffin or "meatbox" as it was called by RAF pilots had an appalling loss rate 1 out of every 3 built crashed or were destroyed in accidents.*
Hello Sandyboy, as you know the mech failure/pilot error loss rate for the Me 262 was much higher than for the Gloster Meteor which probably contributed to the fact that after the war nobody wanted the Me 262, not even the Argentinians who were being advised by Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland. The Gloster Meteor of course had a service career of more than thirty five years and with more than a dozen air forces. One of the first jet aircraft aircraft the Germans got after the war was as you know the F104 Starfighter mostly built under license by the Germans and to their own spec. As you know Sandyboy, the Germans managed to destroy 32% of their own aircraft in crashes due mostly to pilot error killing 115 pilots in just ten years of service. The odd thing was of course that none of the other operators experienced such a bad loss rate. As you know, it became clear that corruption and bribery amongst German officials (an old nazi habit no doubt) had led to the Germans taking on an aircraft beyond the capabilities of their pilots, even so modern a jet and so far into the jet age.
This is easily One of the grandmothers of all fighter jets
The Gloster _"Meatbox"_ was not a fighter... it only killed British pilots
@@WilhelmKarsten BRUH!!! how is that even possible it's shot down 46 German aircraft
@@Mister_McCanless The Meat Box never shot down a single Luftwaffe plane.
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know the mech failure/pilot error loss rate for the Me 262 was much higher than for the Gloster Meteor which probably contributed to the fact that after the war nobody wanted the Me 262, not even the Argentinians who were being advised by Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland. The Gloster Meteor of course had a service career of more than thirty five years and with more than a dozen air forces. One of the first jet aircraft aircraft the Germans got after the war was as you know the F104 Starfighter mostly built under license by the Germans and to their own spec. As you know Sandyboy, the Germans managed to destroy 32% of their own aircraft in crashes due mostly to pilot error killing 115 pilots in just ten years of service. The odd thing was of course that none of the other operators experienced such a bad loss rate. As you know, it became clear that corruption and bribery amongst German officials (an old nazi habit no doubt) had led to the Germans taking on an aircraft beyond the capabilities of their pilots, even so modern a jet and so far into the jet age.
@@WilhelmKarsten And the Luftwaffe never shot down a single Gloster Meteor.
Great to see this plane, thanks! George Hale was my Great Uncle! The cockpit and nose section of his actual plane are in the South Australian Aviation Museum
Hi Jesse he was a legend great pilot and so were many in 77 squadron!!! Dick cresswell also a great pilot leader inspiration to the group bless them all
Beautiful aircraft...
Was sad to see two Meteor F8,s and 2 NF14,s scrapped at R.A.F. Changi in1972.
Vindication!
I CRIED when I saw the R2 fly (and CLIMB OUT) knife edge, out at DuPage County Airport, about 1995...
They need not have been KILLERS
If respected....
Jimmy knew that....
Others did not...
Thank you ALL!
Well done, flying parts...
The Meteor was a beautiful first generation jet well flown by the RAAF !
The Meteor was a killer, killed more RAAF pilots than enemy pilots
Argentina acquired several "Gloster Meteor" in the early 1950s. At that time, Adolf Galland was an instructor for fighter pilots in the Argentine Air Force, and after testing the performance of the British aircraft, the young Argentine pilots asked him which would have chosen if the Me-262 or the Gloster Meteor. The German ace, smiling as he smoked his cigar and considering his answer, said: "I will definitely choose the Me-262... but with the Gloster engines."
A very charming anecdote but taken completely out of context... its not polite to insult your guests and Galland was known as more talented as a politician than an engineer.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Beyond his personal opinion, Adolf Galland was, above all, an experienced fighter pilot and was lucky enough to be able to fly those two rival and contemporary aircraft such as the ME-262 and the Gloster Meteor, something that neither you nor I could do. . , but Galland does.
He compared the two planes, not as an engineer or politician, but as a pilot. He considered the Gloster Meteor to be inferior in performance to the ME 262, but considered the engines powering the British aircraft far superior to the unreliable German Jumo engines. So stick to admiring the latest Gloster Meteor in flight and don't get touchy.
Bye...
@@geoland09 As I said before, he was not an engineer and therefore his remarks are pure speculation and not supported by the factual evidence... Germany was the world's leader in turbojet engines during WW2... comparing wartime engines with postwar engines is not a valid argument.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 And, if you say so, it is a holy word. Bye
@@geoland09 *The facts are irrefutable.. you can't argue with the truth.*
Hard to believe that Gloster went from making biplane to jets in less than ten years!
Also hard to belive that we went from the first flight to the moon landings in 60 years
Not hard to believe when you look at the staggering crash statistics, over 1,000 crashed killing 450 british pilots!
The "Meatbox" as it was called by RAF pilots was the worst jet aircraft in history.
Beauty!
A true jewel. In 1953 Brazilian government changed 15,000 tons of cotton by 60 Gloster Meteor, the first jet to equip the Brazilian Air Force..
what a beautiful aircraft
idk how britain can make such a beautiful and well performing aircraft
In terms of performance and flight safety the Gloster "Meatbox" as it was uneffectionately called by RAF pilots was a real horrible and dangerous plane to fly.
@@sandervanderkammen9230
Far better than the Me 262 which had a very short unsuccessful career or the P 80 which had a higher crash rate than the Meteor. Meteors are responsible for saving thousands of pilots.
@@barrierodliffe4155 *The Gloster Meatbox was the worst jet fighter in history.*
*Over 1,000 Meatboxes crashed killing 450 RAF pilots alone.*
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sandyboy, I see you are still spouting your sad wehraboo bullshit. Britain continued building the Meteor because people continued to buy it. I don't doubt that simple economics is a bit beyond your ken but it's implicit in a trade that the traded items are both wanted. And over a dozen air forces wanted the Gloster Meteor and it had a service career of over thirty years.
Now, just compare that to say, the Me 262. That had a service career of barely seven years and only two countries ever wanted it and the second one, Czechoslovakia only wanted it in the hope of flogging it on. Poor old Czechoslovakia, weren't they left in the lurch, absolutely nobody wanted that nasty nazi object, not even the nazis in Argentina, like Adolf Galland and Kurt Tank would touch it.
Cheers mate.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hey Sandyboy did you know that in its first month of operations for every two Me262s Komando Nowotny lost in combat they lost six to accidents and technical failures.
Brilliant!
Tenho uma foto com um avião desse, de 1972. Na FAB Era conhecido como F 8.
Amazing engineering, if only they had gone into production 2/3 years earlier and the ministry of aircraft production had got behind the jet engine in 1938/9 The ME 262 was clearly a better designed air frame but with inferior short life engines compared to the Meteor.
Underrated jet.
*Worst jet fighter in history.*
*Killing 450 RAF pilots alone it had a 1 in 3 crash rate.*
*RAF Cheif Air Marshal Sir Frederick Bowhill called the Meatbox a quote; **_"dismal and lack luster aircraft"_*
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sandyboy, as you know the mech failure/pilot error loss rate for the Me 262 was much higher than for the Gloster Meteor which probably contributed to the fact that after the war nobody wanted the Me 262, not even the Argentinians who were being advised by Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland. The Gloster Meteor of course had a service career of more than thirty five years and with more than a dozen air forces. The Gloster Meteor's crash rate was far from exceptional being surpassed by such aircraft as the F100 Super Sabre and the F104G Starfighter in German service.
The Gloster Meteor as you know was a very successful aircraft fighting in several conflicts and serving in more than a dozen air forces and in a service career of over thirty years, what other WW2 jet fighter can you say that of.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sandyboy, that would be Sir William Frederick Bowhill the hexagenerian desk jockey of the transport department who never piloted a jet of any sort in his life . Adolf Galland was as you know a German fighter pilot of great renown who flew both Me 262s and Gloster Meteors in service and described the Meteor as a fine and very good aircraft and he wished he had had the Gloster Meteor's engine's on the 262.
Oh yes!
The A-10’s, great grandfather.
What a bloody fucking nice enemy plane! 😎👍😺
The Luftwaffe loved the Gloster _"Meatbox"_ ... because it only killed RAF pilots during WW2!
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sander, as you know the mech failure/pilot error loss rate for the Me 262 was much higher than for the Gloster Meteor which probably contributed to the fact that after the war nobody wanted the Me 262, not even the Argentinians who were being advised by Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland. The Gloster Meteor of course had a service career of more than thirty five years and with more than a dozen air forces. One of the first jet aircraft aircraft the Germans got after the war was as you know the F104 Starfighter mostly built under license by the Germans and to their own spec. As you know Sandyboy, the Germans managed to destroy 32% of their own aircraft in crashes due mostly to pilot error killing 115 pilots in just ten years of service. As you know, it became clear that corruption and bribery amongst German officials (an old nazi habit no doubt) had led to the Germans taking on an aircraft beyond the capabilities of their pilots, even so modern a jet and so far into the jet age.
A beautiful aircraft
Nothing beautiful about a meteor crash...
over 1,000 of these horrible planes crashed killing 450 british pilots earning the plane its nick name in the RAF "the Meatbox" a reference to a flying coffin.
The Gloster Meteor was the first and best jet aircraft of ww2. Widely manufactured and purchased by fifteen nations due to it being far superior to anything else available at the time. Some are still in military service today which is a testament to just how awesome it is.
@@awatt That is completely false. The Gloster _Meatbox_ as it was called by RAF pilots... was the second jet fighter to enter service, 3 months after the Messerschmitt Me-262s and just 1 days after it shot down its first of over 550 Allied aircraft.
The Meatbox was the worst jet fighter in history... over 1,000 crashed killing 450 RAF pilots , it never shot down a single Luftwaffe plane.
Britian continued building the Meatbox because it simply had nothing better to replace it, a starving postwar Britian could not afford to pay cash and often traded agriculture goods for unwanted jet aircraft like the Meatbox.
Cheers mate!
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sandyboy, I see you are still spouting your sad wehraboo bullshit. Britain continued building the Meteor because people continued to buy it. I don't doubt that simple economics is a bit beyond your ken but it's implicit in a trade that the traded items are both wanted. And over a dozen air forces wanted the Gloster Meteor and it had a service career of over thirty years.
Now, just compare that to say, the Me 262. That had a service career of barely seven years and only two countries ever wanted it and the second one, Czechoslovakia only wanted it in the hope of flogging it on. Poor old Czechoslovakia, weren't they left in the lurch, absolutely nobody wanted that nasty nazi object, not even the nazis in Argentina, like Adolf Galland and Kurt Tank would touch it.
Cheers mate.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hey Sandyboy did you know that in its first month of operations for every two Me262s Komando Nowotny lost in combat they lost six to accidents and technical failures.
good, nice video, keep on!!
Wow great plane
For the enemy..
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Sandy, you aren't smart enough to be an enemy.
@@fritzwrangle-clouder6033 just weird
@@baikal627 Thanks!
Awesome 👍✈️
Not for its pilots... 450 killed in RAF service alone.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Sad mate 😔✈️
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sandyboy, as you know the mech failure/pilot error loss rate for the Me 262 was much higher than for the Gloster Meteor which probably contributed to the fact that after the war nobody wanted the Me 262, not even the Argentinians who were being advised by Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland. The Gloster Meteor of course had a service career of more than thirty five years and with more than a dozen air forces. One of the first jet aircraft aircraft the Germans got after the war was as you know the F104 Starfighter mostly built under license by the Germans and to their own spec. As you know Sandyboy, the Germans managed to destroy 32% of their own aircraft in crashes due mostly to pilot error killing 115 pilots in just ten years of service. The odd thing was of course that none of the other operators experienced such a bad loss rate. As you know, it became clear that corruption and bribery amongst German officials (an old nazi habit no doubt) had led to the Germans taking on an aircraft beyond the capabilities of their pilots, even so modern a jet and so far into the jet age.
So cool! I watched this as I am reading about it's creation in "The Perfectionists", by Simon Winchester. Recommending the book! Thanks for the clip.
You really need to read "Meteor _EJECT!"_ by Nick Carter... its a firsthand account of the th worst jet fighter to operate in RAF service and why it killed 450 British pilots.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 You need to get control of your wehraboo bitterness.
The Gloster Meteor was the first and best jet aircraft of ww2. Widely manufactured and purchased by fifteen nations due to it being far superior to anything else available at the time. Some are still in military service today which is a testament to just how awesome it is.
Britain leads the way as usual 🇬🇧
@@awatt The Gloster _Meatbox_ as it was called by RAF pilots... was the second jet fighter to enter service, 3 months after the Messerschmitt Me-262s and just 1 days after it shot down its first of over 550 Allied aircraft.
The Meatbox was the worst jet fighter in history... over 1,000 crashed killing 450 RAF pilots , it never shot down a single Luftwaffe plane.
Britian continued building the Meatbox because it simply had nothing better to replace it, a starving postwar Britian could not afford to pay cash and often traded agriculture goods for unwanted jet aircraft like the Meatbox.
Cheers mate!
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sandyboy, I see you are still spouting your sad wehraboo bullshit. Britain continued building the Meteor because people continued to buy it. I don't doubt that simple economics is a bit beyond your ken but it's implicit in a trade that the traded items are both wanted. And over a dozen air forces wanted the Gloster Meteor and it had a service career of over thirty years.
Now, just compare that to say, the Me 262. That had a service career of barely seven years and only two countries ever wanted it and the second one, Czechoslovakia only wanted it in the hope of flogging it on. Poor old Czechoslovakia, weren't they left in the lurch, absolutely nobody wanted that nasty nazi object, not even the nazis in Argentina, like Adolf Galland and Kurt Tank would touch it.
Cheers mate.
Martin Baker keep two F8/t7 flying in the UK so it is not the only one left flying. Wikipedia claims there are five airworthy Gloster meteor flying around the world.
Imagine a dogfight between Me262 vs Meteor :D
Meteor would win I just won against a 262 in warthunder hahha
Depends on pilot
well it would have been at the end of the war so all the really good german pilots were dead.
@_ Essketit Why? They were roughly equal in performance during the war. Easily close enough that it would totally depend on who was flying them, what altitude and position they started at, whether one surprised the other, how much energy each one had built up and maintained. And that's assuming we aren't talking about a _later_ Meteor, such as the one shown in this video, which is more then 100 mph faster than an Me 262 (although of course, even that doesn't guarantee the Meteor would win. Ask the guys flying Mach 2 F-105's in Vietnam who were shot down by pilots in "obsolete" MiG-17's that weren't even supersonic). There is no reason whatspever to assume that either the Me 262 OR the Meteor would be the winner. It's like idiots who say "the F-86 would beat a MiG-15 in dogfight 'cuz it's better". No, it's not. Many F-86s were shot down by MiG-15s. Many more would have been shot down if there was more equality in pilot training. If the USAF had had MiG-15s and the North Koreans had had F-86s, you'd find the record to be about the same in favor of the USAF. A "better" plane just has more chances of winning, _if all else is equal_ . If a pilot in a Hurricane surprised a pilot in a Fw 190, he could shoot it down. And it happened often enough. Ki-41 Hayabusas shot down P-51 Mustangs on occasion. If the P-51 pilot wasn't paying attention, or makes a foolish move, he could be shot down like anyone else.
@@bikelifewill6483 Well, I'm glad we solved that tricky and subtle question so easily! This kid over here just beat a loosely computer simulated Me 262 flown by a computer, using a loosely simulated Gloster Meteor, on a popular video game, and he thinks the "Meteor" he was flying was pretty cool. He won and managed to shoot down the other plane, so therefore the question is settled: The Gloster Meteor would absolutely defeat the Me 262, in all circumstances, no matter who was flying them or where, no questions. Absolutely no chance for the Me 262. Because, you know, that Warthunder is, like, RILY super-accurate and stuff. And real air combat always works _exactly_ like it does in the game. Other than sometimes the respawn didn't work so well. And you actually had to sit in the cockpit for hours while flying, and deal with 6 Gs while maneuvering, and you'd actually die for really-real if you messed up. And other small variances like those.
*Unfortunately it is the worst jet fighter in history... the **_'Meatbox'_** as it was known among RAF pilots had a absolutely horrible reputation for crashing.*
*Over 1,000 Gloster **_'Meatboxes'_** crashed killing 450 british pilots alone.*
*Even more senseless when you consider that it was completely ineffective as a fighter and never shot down a single Luftwaffe plane.*
Wait so you're telling me the only operational gloster meteor is right near me. Ok I'm going
nah there's one here in America now too lol its a trainer tho
Two in Britain that are still used by Martin Baker.
Maybe it's just the camerawork and the zoom lens, but this looks like it's sped up to make it look faster than it is. Planes don't usually appear to be moving so quickly. Generally they look like they are going slower than they really are. A Meteor was a great jet, but certainly not among the fastest, and I've seen many faster jets who looked like they were poking around the sky compared to this. Like I said maybe that's because the camera is zoomed in on him in the distance, and so it highlights the relative speed of the clouds in the background, but the effect is as if someone had sped the film up 1.5X.
Impossible, I can clearly here an American talking perfectly normal.
You didn't show it taking off and landing.
one of the first jets ever built during ww2
if I had SERIOUS money (not to mention a pilot's licence) then this would be the plane for me. They're piss easy to fly and land; mind you, all my meteor flights have been on a flight sim
You'd be real lucky if you manage to get this Meteor, as it's "the only airworthy meteor".
sounds like you have it mastered then, a real pro.
@@thatoneguy7451 no it is not
The Meteor was a pilots nightmare, 1 out of 3 crashed
@@WilhelmKarsten So nowhere near as bad as the Me 262 then Sandyboy and not as bad as the F104g in German hands.
1 out of every 3 built crashed or were destroyed in accidents.
Hello Sander, as you know the mech failure/pilot error loss rate for the Me 262 was much higher than for the Gloster Meteor which probably contributed to the fact that after the war nobody wanted the Me 262, not even the Argentinians who were being advised by Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland. The Gloster Meteor of course had a service career of more than thirty five years and with more than a dozen air forces. One of the first jet aircraft aircraft the Germans got after the war was as you know the F104 Starfighter mostly built under license by the Germans and to their own spec. As you know Sandyboy, the Germans managed to destroy 32% of their own aircraft in crashes due mostly to pilot error killing 115 pilots in just ten years of service. As you know, it became clear that corruption and bribery amongst German officials (an old nazi habit no doubt) had led to the Germans taking on an aircraft beyond the capabilities of their pilots, even so modern a jet and so far into the jet age.
There used to be a Meteor and Vampire flying as a pair in the uk in the 70s/80s
Beautiful plane ,Well designed by the RAF in WW2, Respect to the Greatest Generation who were lucky enough to fly this during the war and into the Cold war ❤️
Unfortunately the Gloster _"Meatbox"_ as it was called by RAF pilots was the worst jet fighter design in history.
Over 1,000 of these badly designed aircraft crashed killing 450 pilots in RAF service alone.
150 RAF Meatboxes crashed in just one year, 12 crashed in kust one week, 6 crashed in a single day..
The Gloster Meteor was the first and best jet aircraft of ww2. Widely manufactured and purchased by fifteen nations due to it being far superior to anything else available at the time. Some are still in military service today which is a testament to just how awesome it is.
@@awatt *The worst jet fighter in history... and never shot down a single Luftwaffe plane.*
@@sandervanderkammen9230
It got many and went on to be sold to fifteen countries and manufactured in their thousands. No one wanted the crappy 262
@@awatt *The Messerschmitt Me-262 continued in service well into the 1950s..*
*of course 1st generation jet fighter like the Me-262 and Meatbox were long obsolete...*
*But the U.K. was bankrupt in 1946 and could not afford to build newer jets.*
*The Meatbox was often traded for imported agriculture goods... no one wants to pay cash for obsolete jet aircraft.*
Ya no es el unico
A great book that features this plane is fighter pilot, it about robin olds
A great book that cronicals the horrors of the plane pilots called the "meatbox" the deadliest jet in RAF history.
'Meteor _EJECT!'_ was written by RAF pilot and "meatbox" survivor Nick Carter who lost many friends during his service, there were a staggering 150 crashes in 1952, 12 crashed in a single week.
The only person calling it meat box is you🤭
The Gloster Meteor was the first and best jet aircraft of ww2. Widely manufactured and purchased by fifteen nations due to it being far superior to anything else available at the time. Some are still in military service today which is a testament to just how awesome it is.
@@awatt *The Meatbox only killed British pilots.*
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sandyboy, I see you are still spouting your sad wehraboo bullshit. Britain continued building the Meteor because people continued to buy it. I don't doubt that simple economics is a bit beyond your ken but it's implicit in a trade that the traded items are both wanted. And over a dozen air forces wanted the Gloster Meteor and it had a service career of over thirty years.
Now, just compare that to say, the Me 262. That had a service career of barely seven years and only two countries ever wanted it and the second one, Czechoslovakia only wanted it in the hope of flogging it on. Poor old Czechoslovakia, weren't they left in the lurch, absolutely nobody wanted that nasty nazi object, not even the nazis in Argentina, like Adolf Galland and Kurt Tank would touch it.
Cheers mate.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sander, as you know the mech failure/pilot error loss rate for the Me 262 was much higher than for the Gloster Meteor which probably contributed to the fact that after the war nobody wanted the Me 262, not even the Argentinians who were being advised by Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland. The Gloster Meteor of course had a service career of more than thirty five years and with more than a dozen air forces. One of the first jet aircraft aircraft the Germans got after the war was as you know the F104 Starfighter mostly built under license by the Germans and to their own spec. As you know Sandyboy, the Germans managed to destroy 32% of their own aircraft in crashes due mostly to pilot error killing 115 pilots in just ten years of service. As you know, it became clear that corruption and bribery amongst German officials (an old nazi habit no doubt) had led to the Germans taking on an aircraft beyond the capabilities of their pilots, even so modern a jet and so far into the jet age.
Now at Chino Planes of fame !
I sometimes wonder. What if The Air Ministry. Actually listened to Frank Whittle earlier. & The RAF had squadrons of Meteors. At the Battle of Britain??
Frank Whittle was consistently 2 to 3 years behind the work of Hans von Ohain and Max Hahnn. Whittle didn't even begin actual work on jet engines until he moved to Rugby in 1936.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sandyboy, let's just remember what Hans von Ohain himself said (from his foreword to 'Elements of Propulsion')-
"The first patent of a turbojet engine, which was later developed and produced,
was that of Frank Whittle, now Sir Frank (see Fig. 5). His patent was applied for
in January 1930. This patent shows a multistage, axial-flow compressor followed
by a radial compressor stage, a combustor, an axial-flow turbine driving the
compressor, and an exhaust nozzle. Such configurations are still used today..."
and
"In April 1937, Whittle had his bench-test jet engine ready for the first test run.
It ran excellently; however, it ran out of control because liquid fuel had collected
inside the engine and started to vaporize as the engine became hot, thereby
adding uncontrolled fuel quantities to the combustion process. The problem
was easily overcome. This first test run was the world's first run of a bench-test
jet engine operating with liquid fuel (Fig. 7)."
and
"From the beginning of his jet propulsion activities, Frank Whittle had been
seeking means for improving the propulsive efficiency of turbojet engines. He
conceived novel ideas for which he filed a patent application in 1936, which
can be called a bypass engine or turbofan. To avoid a complete new design,
Whittle sought an interim solution that could be merely "tacked on" to a jet
engine. This configuration was later known as the aft fan. Whittle's work on
fan jets or bypass engines and aft fans was way ahead of his time. It was of
greatest importance for the future or turbopropulsion."
Also worth noting of course that no jet engine based on a design of Hans von Ohain ever went into service.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sander, as you know no engine designed by Ohain would ever going into service production and it's always worth reading what Pabst von Ohain himself had to say in his foreword to 'Elements of Propulsion, gas turbines and rocket'-
"The first patent of a turbojet engine, which was later developed and produced, was that of Frank Whittle, now Sir Frank (see Fig. 5). His patent was applied for in January 1930. This patent shows a multistage, axial-flow compressor followed by a radial compressor stage, a combustor, an axial-flow turbine driving the compressor, and an exhaust nozzle. Such configurations are still used today..."
and -
"In April 1937, Whittle had his bench-test jet engine ready for the first test run. It ran excellently; however, it ran out of control because liquid fuel had collected inside the engine and started to vaporize as the engine became hot, thereby adding uncontrolled fuel quantities to the combustion process. The problem was easily overcome. This first test run was the world's first run of a bench-test jet engine operating with liquid fuel..."
and-
"From the beginning of his jet propulsion activities, Frank Whittle had been seeking means for improving the propulsive efficiency of turbojet engines. He conceived novel ideas for which he filed a patent application in 1936, which can be called a bypass engine or turbofan. To avoid a complete new design, Whittle sought an interim solution that could be merely "tacked on" to a jet engine. This configuration was later known as the aft fan. Whittle's work on fan jets or bypass engines and aft fans was way ahead of his time. It was of greatest importance for the future or turbopropulsion."
This is not george hales original aircraft! The lowries have enough money @ temora how about puting an ex raaf f111 or mirage to flying status???
there's no planes at that airport... i see only the gloster
WOW a classic irreplaceable Ozzie fighter that hasn't been sold to a Yank. (YET) Now where did I put that P-39?
The only one?? daaamn
Alex Duper The only F8, their are other marks of Gloster Meteors in flying condition in the U.K.
Ohh ok i thought all meteors were going extinct :b
Alex Duper they are extinct bar a few because of some very VERY dedicated engineers and people..... I say "KEEP THEM FLYING".....
1x F8 in Australia. in the UK 3x T7 (trainers)airworthy 2 of them operational with Martin Baker and used for ejection seat testing and 1x TT20 (conversion of an NF11 night figther) all but the Australian F8 are two seater aircraft.
Beautiful looking bird! Though from what I understand, not the safest aircraft to fly. Lots of them were lost in training, largely in practice runs at flying on one engine (to prepare for the event of an engine failure)- because the engines were so far apart, if one engine was lost/shut down the plane was borderline uncontrollable as all the thrust was coming from one side!
Thanks for the info
Over 1,000 _"Meatboxes"_ as they were called by the RAF crashed killing 450 british pilots alone...
The plane was plagued with the problems associated with poor design including high speed instability and horrible asymmetric behavior during engine failures which were not uncommon, on takeoff or a go around usually resulted in a fatal crash.
Over 1,000 _"Meatboxes"_ as they were called by the RAF crashed killing 450 british pilots alone...
The plane was plagued with the problems associated with poor design including high speed instability and horrible asymmetric behavior during engine failures which were not uncommon, on takeoff or a go around usually resulted in a fatal crash.
That was the F-104. It earned the unofficial nickname "the Widowmaker" because of the appalling crash rate during training
@@spdfatomicstructure The F-104 was also prone to crashing but for different reasons. It was incredibly fast, but this was made possible in part by its stubby wings, which gave it minimal lift and required very high speed to not stall. This made landing, or indeed any lower speed flight, extremely dangerous.
Ex Target tower.
We could have had this aircraft in 1940 When Frank Whittle as he was then produced the first jet aircraft, worth looking at his history on youtube, because he Patented the engine in 1936, and in 1940 we could have had a great number to prevent the bombing of our cities. Shame on the air ministry for not supporting Whittle
The first successful jet aircraft demonstration was the Heinkel He-178 on August 27th 1939 in ROSTOCK GERMANY by Hans von Ohain and Max Hahnn.
Frank Whittle was not the first to patent the jet aircraft engine either, Maxime Guillaume patented the turbojet engine in 1921 when a 14 year old Frankie was still wearing short pants.
The MoS was not impressed by Frank Whittle, and neither was the Chief of engine development at the Royal Aircraft Establishment A.A. Griffith..
Frank Whittle was caught plagerized Griffiths work published in 1926 and also discovered some aggregious errors in Whittles design that revealed that Whittle was a fake.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 dumb kop
@@sandervanderkammen9230 B.S
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Stick to windmills or watch the documentary you may get some thing into you dumb Kop
Original turbo-jet engine of Frank Whittle???
No. The Rolls-Royce Derwent was designed by Adrian Lombard and Stanley Hooker...
Frank Whittle had nothing to do with its development.
@@sandervanderkammen9230
Yes, Frank Whittles design which Rolls Royce further developed.
@@barrierodliffe4155 Frank Whittle was not the inventor of the jet engine.. The Welland different significantly and is vastly superior to the Power Jets Ltd. W2/500.
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hell Sandyboy, let's remind you of what that famouse German jet pioneer Hans Joachim Pabst von Ohain had to say-
"The first patent of a turbojet engine, which was later developed and produced,
was that of Frank Whittle, now Sir Frank (see Fig. 5). His patent was applied for
in January 1930. This patent shows a multistage, axial-flow compressor followed
by a radial compressor stage, a combustor, an axial-flow turbine driving the
compressor, and an exhaust nozzle. Such configurations are still used today..."
and
"From the beginning of his jet propulsion activities, Frank Whittle had been
seeking means for improving the propulsive efficiency of turbojet engines. He
conceived novel ideas for which he filed a patent application in 1936, which
can be called a bypass engine or turbofan. To avoid a complete new design,
Whittle sought an interim solution that could be merely "tacked on" to a jet
engine. This configuration was later known as the aft fan. Whittle's work on
fan jets or bypass engines and aft fans was way ahead of his time. It was of
greatest importance for the future or turbopropulsion."
@@sandervanderkammen9230 As per usual you don't know what you are talking about Sandyboy. Let's just humiliate you again
From the the Smithsonian national Air and Space Museum webpage for the Derwent Engine
"Based on the Rover W2B/26, Derwent design began in April 1943..."
From the Jet Age Museum webage-
"The Derwent is essentially an improved version of the Rolls-Royce Welland, itself a renamed version of Frank Whittle’s Power Jets W.2B"
From the Airpower World website-
"The Rolls Royce Derwent was the second jet engine produced by Rolls Royce and was still firmly based on Sir Frank Whittle W.2B centrifugal compressor turbojet design."
From the website of the Canadian Museum of Flight-
"Frank Whittle’s W2B engine powered the first British jet-powered flight of the Gloster E28/39 in 1941. This engine was subsequently developed by Rolls-Royce into the Derwent"
You are such a silly boy Sandy.
It´s not the "only" airworthy F-8...
It's the only "original" F-8 still flying.
Nevermind the camerawork. That's just sped up film. A Meteor just doesn't move that fast. He'd have to be pushing past Mach 1 and pulling 10 G to look that fast from the ground.
Not sped up at all. That's as it was filmed.
Please BAN Sander van der Kammen from making so many negative and lying comments
*Just the facts here Gary Tarr, the Meatbox was the worst jet aircraft ever in RAF service... it only killed British pilots.*
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sandyboy, you wouldn't know a fact if it bit your arse.
Sandyboy, as you know the mech failure/pilot error loss rate for the Me 262 was much higher than for the Gloster Meteor which probably contributed to the fact that after the war nobody wanted the Me 262, not even the Argentinians who were being advised by Kurt Tank and Adolf Galland. The Gloster Meteor of course had a service career of more than thirty five years and with more than a dozen air forces. The Gloster Meteor's crash rate was far from exceptional being surpassed by such aircraft as the F100 Super Sabre and the F104G Starfighter in German service.
The Gloster Meteor as you know was a very successful aircraft fighting in several conflicts and serving in more than a dozen air forces and in a service career of over thirty years, what other WW2 jet fighter can you say that of.
Proof the Germans were not more advanced in aircraft Design.
This plane entered service just 2-3 months after the Me 262 and shot down a plane before it.
FYI the Germans weren't just more advanced because they had the Me 262. THe planes they DIDN'T build were more important than those that they DID build. Many of them were very advanced and they developed a lot of crucial things, like swept wings, etc.
As for the jet engines, several nations were working on the jet engine during the 1930s. It was apparent that it might be a benefit someday. Britain decided it wasn't worth the development effort right NOW, while they were still so far from reaching the potential of propellors. They didn't have reason to expect that aircraft would suddenly become 203 tiems faster within the next 4 years. Germany knew they needed a game-changer, so they DID take the resources to develop a jet. And many people think it was a big mistake. Neither Germany nor Britain "invented the jet". Germany put them into service first, for better or worse.
Kel Harper You should see some of the declassified allied projects. Most luft46 projects were declassified.
@@5000mahmud you mean the p80 shooting star
4 where built in ww2 and 2 crashed
Lol
@@tobiaszistler not that
The gloster was slower than most piston engines aircraft in ww2.
An even after the war when the more modern american p80 shooting star was testet against the me262
the me262 was proven superior
QUOTE: "Despite a difference in gross weight of nearly 2,000 lb (900 kg), the Me 262 was superior to the P-80 in acceleration, speed and approximately the same in climb performance. The Me 262 apparently has a higher critical Mach number (the Me 262A's being at M 0.86), from a drag standpoint, than any current Army Air Force fighter."[6]
And the p80 was not realy flight ready it was a hell of a dangerous plane test pilots died ( the ones who couldnt bail out ) in numerous accidents that ocured...
Some exploded suddenly midair
fake
The Me. 262 had an axial-flow jet engine and the Gloster F. 8 Meteor had a centrifugal-flow jet engine. The Me. 262's jet-engine technology was at least 12 months in advance of the F. 8 Meteor's. Clever people were and are the Germans.
Not even close
"12 months in advance"? How the hell did you (or whoever) determine that tasty little number? The centrifugal worked just fine for the purposes of the time, It was not 'less advanced" than an axial except in retrospect.
I just love how people like you always come to some page like this and post some little paragraph that sounds like it was copy-pasted directly from Wikipedia, apparently to show off to everyone what an expert you are in the subject. Hint: most of us are already well aware of this stuff, and those who aren't shouldn't be listening to some idiot on TH-cam. They can go and read Wiki like the rest of us. None of this is secret classified information.
And if you are trying to show off your specialist knowledge in WWII fighters, you failed. The "Meteor F.8" cannot be "12 months behind the Me 262", because the F.8 wasn't built until the late 1940s and early 19050s. The Meteor F.3 and F.4 were the wartime versions. "F.8" isn't a model designation like the US F-8 Crusader. The British call it the "Meteor, F" for "Fighter". The number denotes the exact submodel. Thus the Meteor is just the Meteor. The Meteor F.8 is the exact Meteor that went into service in 1950. And it's not the "F.8 Meteor", it's the "Meteor F.8". Like "Lancaster B.III" and "Spitfire F.IX", or "Mosquito FB.VI".
SO obviously you aren't the guy to be educating anyone on jets. If you must, don't write it like you are trying to come up with a museum display placard. Use normal language.
Like "I read somewhere that the Me 262's axial flow jets were considered 12 months in advance of the centrifugal engines in the Meteor".
However their metallurgy was not up to par, so much so that engines might last 20 hours, if taken care of. The British
metallurgy was much better, and even if the ME262 was a bit faster, reliability and other factors, the Meteor was the better aircraft, even if slightly.
Metropolitan-Vickers F2. I need say no more.
True, yet Adolf galland said of the meteor. The me 262 needed the meteors engines, to do credit to the 262,s airframe.
Obsolete by 1948
Obsolete on arrival...
@@sandervanderkammen9230 Best jet fighter of the war and still very capable after. The Me 262 was obsolete before it flew.
@@barrierodliffe4155 *The most effective British aircraft ever used **_AGAINST_** the Royal Air Force.*
@@barrierodliffe4155 *As a jet fighter, the Gloster Meatbox was obsolete in 1944.*
That'll be why it served with more than a dozen air forces in a career of over thirty years then.
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