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Great idea great idea on the rubber mats instead of foam. A pressure washer - a strong gas powered one as opposed to an electric one - works great to get rid of the old foam encasing an old tank to be replaced and cleaning up the area before installing a new tank.
I thought the best part of video is when you used a torch on the fuel vent line.
Uhhhh....No 5200 on the tank securing screws going into the stringers? No bueno! I just went through the issue of the previous owner of my boat having replaced the fuel sender and just used 2-part epoxy, instead of installing threads into the tank to match the new sender. The holes were already there and pretty large, so they skipped the creation of new threads and affixed it with the epoxy. Fast forward to 2021, where I keep having water in fuel issues. When I pressure tested the tank, found the sender was leaking, so I removed it and installed Riv-nuts and affixed it the proper way. This channel has been a big help in me being able to diagnose and correct this issue. I plan to post a TH-cam video on how I corrected it as a give-back to the community! Thank You Aaron!
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It used to be that Tuesday just meant it was only 6 more working days until Monday.... Not anymore! It means this channel posts a new exciting video, and it's only 6 more working days until Monday! :) What an improvement on the week!!! :)
Hahaha that's awesome! Thank you! Glad that we can improve that work week just a little bit more :)
Bold move drilling the starboard sitting on a brand new fuel tank!
I' m always amazed how you have this special gift to supply an amazing amount of information in such a short time.... Geeeezzz I love Tuesdays!
Thank you! I'm always happy to hear the great things and support that you put in your comments! :) Thank you so much! Tuesdays are a good day lol
Agreed!!
Love the product used introduction 😂. This vid is so good I put it into my file . I rebuild boats and this is priceless!
If you get shavings inside place some butyl sticky tape on the end of a stick and get the shavings out by sticking them to the butyl tape.
As an engineer i can tell you no house is square either
Man, I never thought watching spacers being installed would be nail hitting haha. If they would have fallen down to the bottom, would have been a nightmare. Great work.
Glad I could help
Guess when you'll find out you have a sour fuel tank ? Just bounce that boat around on a rough day and if your filter plugs up, you have a problem. Always carry a spare filter and a plastic bag to catch spills. Make sure you shut everything down and air out the boat well. Carry an outboard tank, bulb and hose until you know. You can connect to the carb. ? and hand pump your way home, at least you could. Now I imagine the fuel pump will be the point of connection.
My God I have never been so nervous seeing you drill that star board on top of that new gas tank!
I like the rubber mat idea, good thinking
Thank you for running that channel, l´m still learning as l bought a old longrange cruiser ( seamaster 30 )
drive a finishing screw into the top of the starboard to aid putting it into place for drilling. then just twist out the nail when it is screwed in place. just makes it a bit more convenient.
How about a tank cleaning or scrubbing if replacement isn't in the budget? Thanks for all your boating wisdom!!
I too want an answer to this! I've got a 2005 Trophy 2502 that I'd love to clean out!
Great instructions. Does the new tank have baffles inside?
Uh huh you were thinking about that dam big screen again and forgot to take the cover off the hose!. Focus man FOCUS!!!!!!!
If only I had that $12K lol that's more than we'll have in the entire boat! hahaah
Tap Magic is good stuff to use when drilling in metal
If I redo any boat with a gelcoat or similiar coating floor, those type of mats used for the fuel tank are what I'm using in the walkway. Much more cheaper and less hassle than dealing with adding Snap On carpet.
Carpet just seems like a never ending hassle.
havocsquad1 I would imagine that black rubber gets pretty hot in the sun for walkways..?
@@fishyhobby3697 it is also hard on your feet!
It is nothing but problems. Carpet is no good
In my project boat the fuel hoze was just gone! So i had to cut a lot of fiberglass to get to the old hozes.
Ok, the hole saw trick is pretty cool.
My concern would be that you just introduced a possibility for water to enter the stringers. No Silicone on the stringer to prevent water from running down the screws and rotting them out
Composite stringers no wood
Putting the fuel vent midship seams logical to me. Our Supra wake boat has the fill and vent rear starboard side. So if you fill it up full while on the trailer, gas shoots out the vent during bow rise. The hoses both connect to the back of the tank as well. I have been wondering how difficult it would be to relocate the vent and I now see it’s not that difficult at all. Thanks man!!
Oh no, that sucks! I don't know why they didn't think about that when they put that boat together lol Yeah, it's not the bad to relocate, you really want to get in and inspect before you start though, sometimes there can be complications with the stringers! Just make sure you can run the hose where ever you want to put it and maybe it would be an easy Saturday morning project :)
You need to do a blooper video so us amateurs don’t feel so bad when we screw up 😁
I've tried to think about that and how I could do that lol as well as a video of all the times the cameras have fallen off stuff! I'm amazed how durable these GoPro's are. I had one suction cupped to the seat on the tower of a 39' Sea Vee, probably about 20 feet up, and we were about 10 miles out and it fell all the way down to the deck, knocked the lens off and amazingly didn't fall out of the boat! I'm still using that one!
So much for those stringers without 5200. You'll replacing them in do time too.
Um no he won’t, Not all stringers have wooden cores! These stringers just happened to be solid fiberglass! Go try and be a smart ass somewhere else!
Can you use those mats to protect the bottom of the storage lockers and anchor locker to protect the gel coat?
Sure! Really any kind of rubber mat will work :)
I have a 1986 Boston Outrage 18 in need of a new tank. I'm in the Tampa area too. Who did you use to make your tank? Thanks.
Did you get a tank yet? I had one made by Carr in St Pete recently
How much do you think it would cost to have a new fuel tank put in my 1990 Mako 241?
Sorry Todd lol screwdrivers are pry bars and occasionally used to stir paint
Haha, that's funny, I'm amazed that he still warranties all of the tips for me :) and my 6" quick disconnect #2 Phillips impact bits! I change out 1 or 2 of those a week lol
@@BornAgainBoating Nice!! Todd is a good dude!
Yes he is lol
Where can we see how you run your grounding wire from the fuel tank? Please and thank you, Love your vids!
Just run it into the helm and hook it up to your grounding bus bar where you have all the boat's grounds connected
Born Again Boating much thanks!!
In an aluminum hull do you attach to a hull ground or anode also?
No galvanic corrosion issues using a stainless screw to secure an aluminum tank in place?
If it was me. I would have sprayed the whole tank with zink chromate to prevent corrosion like the old one.
How can you stop fuel from coming out of the vent when you overfill the tank or when you're fueling up I try to be conscientious keep an eye on my gauge and listen for fuel whistle. I'm pretty good about not overfilling but sometimes it happens.
Get a fuel whistler for the vent hose believe me you won't over fill again.
replace the whole hose.. saves trouble further down the track
Didn't he replace the whole hose?
Takes 10 seconds to take off the plastic on the new fill hose.....
Had to smash on that like button even b4 watching the video!
That's awesome! Thank you so much! It really does help for the TH-cam Algorithm and shows them that people like the video so they will show it to more people :) Thank you!
Just curious why you didn't coat the tank with coal tar epoxy first?
Just watching it til the torching part got me cringed for a second…but then I realized gas is NOT in yet.
Where is the best place to find a 1972 mako 22 tank
I like your method of the foamless tank. Does it compromise the stringers and allow for water intrusion to screw into them like that?
Foam sucks! lol No, you have to just seal the screws if the boat has wooden stringers, this one has solid fiberglass stringers so it's good to go!
Born Again Boating gotcha!
How does the motor get the fuel?
New here and got to say u guys r brilliant and doing a good job. Not sure if we can ask any queries here with rusted, leaking fuel tanks or say putting a new gas tank in to VEC technology Glastron SSV 170. Can we cut open the fibre glass deck floor and change the tank ? will it affect the boat stability since i am using 140 HP outboard. OR is it better switch to use portable gas tanks on deck area like gasoline bladders etc and forget abt rusted under deck gas tank. Thanks in advance !
I was always told never use rubber under an aluminum fuel tank. Always use starboard. The rubber which is essentially carbon mixed in a salt water with aluminum creates a corrosive environment. Rubber is made with carbon, which is cathodic to aluminum and can result in galvanic corrosion. Therefore, you should never use rubber strips near your aluminum fuel tank.
Accurate, only use neoprene.
Moral of the story is don't cut corners. You're so correct
Do you ground the tank to the ground negative side of the battery or just ground the fill to the tank? Thanks love the channel!!
Thank you! Both, you want to ground the tank itself as well as ground the fill port. Usually you just run them to your ground block where all of the boats grounds tie together.
how much does it cost to replace the tank for sea ox 200cc?
very informative, thank you !!!
You are welcome!
I know this has nothing to do with the present video but is there a way to adjust the cold idle or start idle speed on a 2005 Yamaha 250 hpdi? It was shutting off repeatedly on starting, which seems to be not so uncommon. I pulled the vst off and cleaned it. Now it starts and runs but runs at about 500 rpms cold, while the other motor runs at 700-800 rpms when cold after starting. Once they warm up, they sync up at 6-700 rpms.
No, there's not really an adjustment for that, though the TPS can be adjusted, most likely it's not the problem though. HPDI's can be pretty touchy sometimes, I'm guessing you've changed the spark plugs, since you cleaned the VST. After it warms up it runs fine, hmmm. The OX-66's would run high when the thermostats would stick, but that's not the same for the HPDI. It would be nice to put it on a computer and see what all of the sensors are saying and what the fuel pressure is. After it warms up it runs fine for the rest of the day?
@@BornAgainBoating Yes, it runs like a champ the rest of the day with no issues at all. We routinely go out to some barrier islands about 15 miles offshore and stay for several hours. Even when it was having the shutting off problem when cold, it would start fine the rest of the day once you got it to idle after that first start. That's what got me to thinking it was a pressure issue between the diaphragm pumps and the high pressure pump which led me to cleaning the vst. I should have mentioned I replaced the low pressure diaphragms when I first started trying to fix the original problem of it not staying running for the first few attempts at a cold start after sitting for several days. I have not replaced the plugs since they were replaced recently. I was planning on changing plugs, cleaning the injectors, changing mystery filters and the other normal servicing this winter. This isn't really a big issue, it's more of a curiosity thing. The biggest mystery to me is when I cleaned the vst, there wasn't really anything to clean. The pump filter was clean, etc. I pulled the pump and hooked it up to power to verify it was running and when I put it together and back on the boat, it would crank and idle when before you would have to constantly squeeze the primer bulb for a couple of minutes on that engine to keep it idling. I'm sure it's some sensor somewhere and I have learned that hpdi's seem to be very touchy. If I get it figured out, I'll shoot you an e-mail and let you know what it was.
I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge. When an aluminium tank is fabricated, what's the procedure for cleaning it out before installation? I had a new tank installed, have run about 70 gallons through it. My Racor filter is now so clogged with aluminum shavings it's starving the boat of fuel. Not good obviously. I'm very curious to hear your perspective on my issue.
what sealant do you recommend to reset the tank deck cover? thanks
I meant to add, Congratulations on 10k subscribers!
Thank you! I missed it and was trying to get a screen shot of when it hit 10, but I caught it when it hit 10,003 lol was busy bottom painting the Pursuit ;) You're really going to like that video, there's a ton of work that went into that one! I've got to make the video still as well as fiberglassing the transom on the Ocean Master this weekend! It's going to be a super busy weekend and Labor day this week. Then a couple weeks of video production lol
Just curious I should the fuel tank being installed the level with the floor or the bottom of the hull, I'm upgrading a fuel tank in my boat and just curious if my tank needs to be angled I can't seem to find any information online
Aaron, Where did you purchase the fuel Tank. I NEED A TANK. 95 GALLON V HULL BOAT. Thanks
I got it from a local welder, he made it by using the old tank as a template. You can call around to welders there in your area and see if they could make it for you. Or check with a larger company that specializes in fuel tanks, like RDS or someone. Sorry to hear about your tank :(
Yeah I've been waiting for this. Haven't seen episode yet just got back from doctor in downtown Miami soon I'll be as good as new yeah right I doubt that. going to watch now JT 🇺🇸🐟🎣🛥⛱🌴😃😊🙏🏻
Awesome! Hopefully those doctors are getting you all fixed up! :)
Where did you get that tank??
Still working the old Estwing hammer 🤣👍
How can you give up such a great tool lol
Great video!! Can you please tell me the brand of the fuel gauge sending unit in this video, or one you recommend? Thanks!
That was a WEMA KUS fuel sender, you'll have to search for the size you need but here's a general search of them on Amazon:
Fuel sender
Awesome video
Thank you!
6:03 only water will cool and is a must when drilling SST
What’s that orange bottle of degreaser that you use?
Just some cheap de-greaser from the dollar store :) It's called Awesome! lol but it's only a buck and works really good!
awesome ... just awesome videos...good job man !
I just replaced both my fill hose and vent hose. I measured the old fill hose and cut the new one to length. But looking at it installed it appears to dip below the tank fill inthe bilge before connecting to the tank. This appears to be why I was having issues when fueling. So should the hose stay above the tank? Looks like fuel could sit in the hose and cause it to fail
I dont know about the hose failing because of the fuel, but the issue with filling the tank would definitely connect with the hose being below the tank. That dip will fill up and cause filling issues for sure
You don't want any dips in the fuel or vent hoses. I ran into those problems when I installed a larger, taller tank.
Awesome work as usual! Any reason in particular you went with another aluminum tank and not a plastic one? Most old aluminum tanks leak and I see most new boats come with plastic tanks..
Thank you! Um not really, just easier I guess, never though of putting in a plastic tank :/ aluminum usually lasts about 30 years
I probably would have used some flex seal in there somewhere. Haha! Great videos. Subbed.
Hahhaha :) the amazing flex seal lol Thank you! Awesome! Welcome :)
Good informative video. Great video👍
Awesome! Thank you!
A+ Job
Thanks!
what about the method sealing the fuel tank in?
What do you mean?
Here's a great article he wrote about boat fuel tanks and why not foam or seal it in.
www.bornagainboating.com/should-i-foam-my-boat-fuel-tank/
No man hole on the tank?
Wtf, how do you clean out the tank if you get growth in it?
Lol no, no man hole! Lot's of companies polish the fuel tank, they just take the sender out and cycle through the tank using a cleaner :)
I have a 1975 inboard outboard boat with a seazed engine how to unseaz the engine on a budget?
Thats a 50-50 situation there :/
Inboard and outboard? I want to see that!
Fill the cillinders with marvel mystery oil let it sit at night next day turn the flywheel with wrench be careful it will work
Great video
Excellent video!!!
Great video thankyou.
Thank you!
good job
I would love a job doing this
Who made your fuel tank? i need a 25 gallons for my boat but it has to be custom made to fit under the floor
A local welder here in the keys, just google "welder near me" and then call around and get some quotes!
@@BornAgainBoating awesome!! Thanks for the advice, i can't wait to be back in the water. And by the way, THANKS for the great videos you made, i have learned tons of things from them and helped me to do my transom, floor and stringers. Keep it up!!!👍👍👍👍
Is this for a diesel or outboard?
I work for a marine mechanic shop up in ohio and was getting ready to do a yamaha trim ram job an saw you use a moto stop tool do you by chance have the part number so I can pick one up?
Depends on what engine you are working on, they have different ones for the V6-8 and what not. Yamaha has a new tool out though that you can get from K n L that does all their engines. Comes in a case and is basically this big socket that goes on each cap tool. It's pretty nice, if you guys are a Yamaha dealer maybe you could get it at cost ;)
@@BornAgainBoating Thanks look forward to your next videos
How long can a normal fuel tank last?
Depends, I'd say average is about 30 years on an aluminum tank.
I've never seen anyone using rubber mats underneath tanks, have you done this for many? Have you had any issues at all?
Really? Yeah, quite a few actually and no issues yet!
@@BornAgainBoating My family has been in the aluminum business for over 60 years and I would not recommend putting any cheap carbon rubber against aluminum, the reason marine hoses and fuel lines are expensive is because they are made of butyl rubber and not the cheap carbon rubber which causes galvanic corrosion. Carbon is a conductor and allows current to flow that coupled with crevice corrosion will rot out a tank very quickly everywhere the rubber contacts it. You are better off 5200ing plastic strips directly to the bottom of the tank and then 5200ing that to the tank space. David Pasco has a good explanation. www.yachtsurvey.com/fueltank.htm Placing aluminum on cheap rubber mats issues are coming its only a matter of time.
@@ronneff48 You could paint or epoxy the tank bottom.
Nice!
LOL, heating the hose to get it pliable? I do the same for old stubborn wire sheathing that needs to be cut off on 40 year old wire!!!
Awesome video!
Thank you! Hey I just noticed your comments on the control box! Sorry about that, I don't get notifications on replies to comments, just on new comments, so the replies get buried in the comment feed and I don't get time to scroll down and see them :( but I did see it this morning! The control box uses that CAN P network and something must have shorted out in it :( Now you said you disconnected the actual box itself, and left the trim and that can pad plugged in? Which basically means you need a control box :( They aren't that cheap but that's awesome that you got it figured out! I'm proud of you, that's some serious diagnostics there :) great job!
Yes I disconnected the trim plug and the harness the fuse did not blow. Plugged in the trim plug and did not blow and was able to trim engine up and down. The dealer came down after I told him where the shirt is coming from and he took the panel mounted DTS controller apart with the 4 screws and plugged it in an it didn’t short. Put everything back together and it is fine now. Can imagine what happened. He said those screws were a little loose when he took them apart. When I got down to the boat he already had it apart and plugged in so I could not see exactly what he did but that it’s working now. Thank you for your knowledge and helping point me in right direction to diagnose it. Without you I would never got that far. Thank You !!!
Dr Phil????
Nice job 👍 .. is this build for a customer or resale?
My question too
It's for personal :) resale though really, we'll do a boat and then use it for a few months while doing another one, then sell them and start using the most recent one :)
Nice way to go 👍
No coal tar epoxy ? That’s all we do now
No, I've been on the fence about that for a long time now. I've seen tanks that were coated and the water get in under the coating and basically trap the water on the tank! Then I've seen uncoated tanks last just as long as the coated. It's a catch-22, the prepping and coating process has to be perfect for it to really work. Most places down here use a stuff called gluvit. It's an epoxy coating.
Born Again Boating I do like the holy rubber mats to allow air to dry the bottom out but I’ve seen more tanks with holes in the lid before the bottom but when pulled the whole tank had erosion ready for perforations
taco tuesday < technician tuesday #FACT
Now how can we make that trend?
@@BornAgainBoating #tacotuesday < TechnicianTuesday #FACT
how did your fill hose go on so easy ? mine took 15 min lol
Luck of the draw I guess lol, sometimes you can squirt them with some de greaser or soap if they are giving you trouble :)
There are so many things wrong with this installation. Please do some research before attempting to replace a fuel tank unless you want to be ripping it back out way too soon.
What was wrong
nice work but the videos need to be longer
Never use rubber material under an aluminum fuel tank because rubber contains carbon, which is cathodic to aluminum and will cause galvanic corrosion. This fuel tank replacement is sloppy at best sorry to say.
Abel Vazquez agreed. Very sloppy.
What is the best way to carry auxiliary fuel on a sailboat?
WORLDCAT 33
Yes! It's a World Cat! Nice Eye :)
Very primitive , bad example...
first! :)
Hahah that's awesome :)
Great video
Thank you!