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  • The Soviet Unions early entry into nuclear propulsion came at a high cost. The November was revolutionary, reckless and changed naval warfare during the Cold War.
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  • @QuadroVF
    @QuadroVF 2 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    I'm from St. Petersburg and I can confirm this K-3 submarine was recently delivered in the city this summer (2021) and being installed in a new museum at Kronstadt.

    • @robert506007
      @robert506007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Patriots Park Kronstadt Branch no doubt. A good spot for it.

    • @navyreviewer
      @navyreviewer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Cool. Congratulations.

    • @mdb831
      @mdb831 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That is awesome.

    • @patnolen8072
      @patnolen8072 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's good to hear - I want to check it out after the pandemic.

    • @macburger7736
      @macburger7736 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      God bless the mother land

  • @Kowalski089
    @Kowalski089 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    “Russians! They do it differently! God bless ‘em… heh heh”
    One of the reasons I watch Aaron is to hear the 80’s USN perspective on the USSR. It never disappoints 😂

  • @howardmaryon
    @howardmaryon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Outstanding presentation sir. At a young age, I was earmarked to train and serve in the Submarine Service (Royal Navy). Unfortunately, a medical condition made me ineligible, so I never had the chance to serve in a boat. The sheer guts of those Russian submariners is breathtaking, and the foolhardy things they got up to are legendary. I suppose the sinking of the Kursk finally killed any romantic notions I might have had about the life of a submariner.

  • @icterio1
    @icterio1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    36:05 "30 knots possible but not recommended"
    - Captain, what is it? Were are we going?
    - We're going to kill Ramius.

  • @squid0013
    @squid0013 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Major accidents seem to be the norm with the Russian navy

  • @DartzIRL
    @DartzIRL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Interestingly, Alexandrov was also responsible for the RBMK project and was its principal designer. ---- and I can tell you how an RBMK explodes. The K11 incident matches the description of an incident which occurred to a gentleman named Anatoly Dyatlov while he worked for the navy. He would go on to become deputy chief engineer of Chernobyl, who chose to monitor a turbogenerator test in 1986.

  • @richardbell7678
    @richardbell7678 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    A possible reason to have the batteries near a hatchway would be to allow for the venting of evolved gases from a charging mishap to outside the boat.

    • @grimlock1471
      @grimlock1471 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was about to ask, "Why not install a dedicated emergency vent system for the battery compartment?" And they I remembered we are talking about submarines. ::faceplam::

    • @Cruisey
      @Cruisey 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@grimlock1471 To be fair once you open that hatch you've solved your cooling, fire and venting issues. Then there's just the one problem remaining... 😂

  • @FlakeSE
    @FlakeSE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Milli means 1/1000 so if they raised it 1000mm instead of 300mm it is a rather significant mistake as it is 3ft vs. 1ft. Sounds like no one RTFM.

  • @yes538
    @yes538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Could you imagine being on deployment on one of those dinosaurs in the 80's?

  • @adamjohnson764
    @adamjohnson764 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    In addition to their "submarine pay" - which supplemented their normal Soviet Naval pay - Officers and Ratings who served in the NOVEMBER class [and in the HOTEL and ECHO classes, which essentially had the same power train] received an additional special allowance, which was colloquially known as "childless money". This was because of the higher than normal incidence of testicular cancer [and other cancers] among such Soviet servicemen and also the elevated levels of birth defects among their children. Suspected causes were poor reactor shielding plus the frequent accidents affecting their nuclear power plants [as highlighted in this presentation].

  • @meatppscle
    @meatppscle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sov CMD: Take out K-52 and do speed trials
    CPT K52: DA
    a short while later
    Sov CMD: How fast did you take K-52
    CPT K52: So fast the props tore themselves to pieces.

  • @sage2308
    @sage2308 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    K11 sounds like a yarn from Sacred Cow Shipyard!! Lol

    • @rafale1981
      @rafale1981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      All hail the esteemed dockmaster!

    • @noahdoyle6780
      @noahdoyle6780 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      RESPECT THE CUBE

  •  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very interesting Sub Class

    • @SubBrief
      @SubBrief  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Glad you enjoyed it

  • @docnele
    @docnele 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    K-42 was damaged by reactor explosion on K-431 (Echo) pier-side. K-431 reactor blew up after it was lifted too far (see fire case of K-11) and the damage level, radiation and destruction was deemed as a result of criticality (just like Chernobyl).

  • @mirandela777
    @mirandela777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you, Aaron, for another great historical upload !

  • @sharg0
    @sharg0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Meterscale (for 40:30 ): 1m = 10 dm = 100 cm = 1000 mm = a bit over 3 feet.
    So bar at about three feet instead of one.

  • @LeCharles07
    @LeCharles07 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Yeah, control rods attached to the cap is a bad design. When Chernobyl blew, the rods that weren't melted in place were ripped out of the core when the cap was blown off by the steam explosion. Nothing remained to control the reaction making the corium fire that much harder to put out.

  • @Syndr1
    @Syndr1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Aaron, nice to see a Subrief i missed. Oh....its Christmas 🎄🎁. Lol

  • @dkoz8321
    @dkoz8321 ปีที่แล้ว

    Makes you appreciate just how advanced American Albacore exp hull and Permit/Skipjack class were for the time. Compared to Soviets. Hull shape optimized for submerged operation. Bow mounted sonardome, port and stbd angle offset torpedo tubes. SIngle reactor plant, single screw. Small, high speed, maneuverable. Sustained 30 knots+ flank. A submarine version of then LeMans sports car. IMHO, high crew complement.

  • @sargepent9815
    @sargepent9815 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad they preserved her. There's only one "first" and she is/was a major accomplishment for the Russian Navy

  • @matthewrev
    @matthewrev 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    American subs use (or did when I was an ELT) Ammonium Hydroxide in glass bottles. It did have a plastic coating but they would break. Ours were only 1 litre though.

  • @PJ3721
    @PJ3721 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love these briefs, sub are so cool. Serving on one would of been cool but I was ineligible for service due to a back injury

  • @paul_winter
    @paul_winter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    K-159 still got the reactor, and in that incident, 9 lives were lost. RIP

  • @donnysmith946
    @donnysmith946 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would have really hated to part of that US Sonar Division in 1984 in the SOJ. How in the hell could that happen???

  • @beefgoat80
    @beefgoat80 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My kid is always leaving the lid to our nuclear reactor on the stairs. I try telling him he's gonna get someone killed if he keeps it up. 🤷

  • @rydplrs71
    @rydplrs71 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you want a generic term for most glues, or plastics I would use polymer. That still makes a small assumption about composition, but I’m betting it’s accurate and generic.

  • @stanleyvladimirweatherfiel6828
    @stanleyvladimirweatherfiel6828 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Omg the F'ing lid Russia... THE LID!!! 😂

  • @MultiZirkon
    @MultiZirkon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A really good author should write a New york Time bestseller, exclusively about the November class!

  • @adamhoutman1765
    @adamhoutman1765 ปีที่แล้ว

    All I could think of during your explanation of Project 627 was my favorite line from the show "The Great"...."This sort of thing happens in Russia". So ridiculous.

  • @elilevine2410
    @elilevine2410 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanx , I enjoyed that !

  • @Olyvia..
    @Olyvia.. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Those buoys actually killed all 118 sailors on the Kursk. After a torpedo‘s monopropellant leaked and caused a massive explosion taking off the entire nose and killing everyone between the torpedo room and the bridge. The reactor immediately shut down safely and the crew survived, without power in a sunk submarine for up to 3 days until oxygen ran out. They didn’t initially find the submarine, and when they did the two rescue submarines broke and had to be repaired. There is a letter that was written by a Young Officer, who became the new officer in charge after the bridge exploded,up to the knees in oily, ice cold seawater without light.

  • @Absaalookemensch
    @Absaalookemensch 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's like our neighbor.
    Has many cars over the years and now they're nearly all in "dry dock", repairs never to be completed.
    20,000 Leagues Under the Sea...hahaha

  • @johncashwell1024
    @johncashwell1024 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    K-14 was a "He" not a "She" as Soviet and, later, Russian ships are masculine. A fact that he is well aware but it is so hard for us in the West to call a boat a he.

  • @grimlock1471
    @grimlock1471 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I feel like we've seen this "lid wasn't properly aligned" problem before. Was this reactor design common across other subs?

    • @user-sd6gp1fv8x
      @user-sd6gp1fv8x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Afaik, the VM-A reactor was also used in the Hotel class (Project 658) and the Echo I and II class (Project 659/675).

    • @grimlock1471
      @grimlock1471 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@user-sd6gp1fv8x I remembered something the other day. According to "Midnight in Chernobyl"
      by Adam Higginbotham, Jacques Roy, et al., it was Soviet policy to treat any nuclear accidents as state secrets and classify them up the yin-yang. Developing a fix is a lot harder if nobody is allowed to talk about what went wrong. Even being able to say, "Make sure the lid on the VM-A's is correctly oriented of it won't go on right. Don't ask me how I know this," can go a long way to improve safety culture.

  • @luckynumbersevuuun
    @luckynumbersevuuun 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is a great one

  • @acidtalons
    @acidtalons 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was this a repost / update of a previous video?

  • @nacht_kaperschiff2670
    @nacht_kaperschiff2670 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anatoly Alexandrov was the scientific supervisor of the RBMK reactor plants, RBMK reactors were installed at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant.

  • @wolframoconnor1605
    @wolframoconnor1605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Is this a repost subbrief?

    •  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Must be because I remember seeing it not long ago. Good one tough I like the November

    • @Sovetskyz
      @Sovetskyz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup, he removed quite a few videos. I noticed that Typhoon brief is also missing.

  • @nfjrb
    @nfjrb 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Stuff, well thought-out and well-presented. When is Part II?

  • @Syndr1
    @Syndr1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2 words, SubSafe.

  • @etc-era
    @etc-era 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent and interesting as always. Thanks.

  • @genec2235
    @genec2235 ปีที่แล้ว

    So in the late1950s they canceled the T-15 torpedo. Fast forward 60 years they bring it back and call it status-6(poseidon)

  • @beck4218
    @beck4218 ปีที่แล้ว

    111mm = 4.5" 300mm = 12"

  • @MajSolo
    @MajSolo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    even if they are old I like the white board series even if I am an egineer and uderstood this before I watched you.
    I like them beacuse of the simplicity.
    keep going.

  • @pugsymalone6539
    @pugsymalone6539 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Pug abides.

  • @dutchbachelor
    @dutchbachelor ปีที่แล้ว

    Huh, so STATUS 6 is actually a rehash of the T-15 from 70 years ago. Humanity will not ever learn.

  • @nevenjereb1969
    @nevenjereb1969 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Clive, thank you for very good show. I have one (big) question for you; in the famous photo of K-42, there is additional pipe outfitting in the stern that looks like towed array mouth. Were they so crazy to equip November(s) with towed array?

  • @carljohanrydberg357
    @carljohanrydberg357 ปีที่แล้ว

    Putin seems to have read Stalins book. They have a modern thing like the T15 these days.

  • @mrobertm31
    @mrobertm31 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nope. We put ammonia in glass…circa 2009 at least…

  • @antonnurwald5700
    @antonnurwald5700 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "He is a submarine designer, so we know it's probably a submarine"
    Eh

  • @donnysmith946
    @donnysmith946 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks to John Walker!!!!!

  • @michielvanhemert9943
    @michielvanhemert9943 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    the k-11-refueling-incident/accident looks/sounds like the 'sl-1'-disaster

  • @rexanguis214
    @rexanguis214 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey chief, love your work....hey man can you cover future naval classes....including surface vessels.....constellation, ddg(x), A300 meko et cetera....god bless

  • @GameMaker3_5
    @GameMaker3_5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cold Waters Gameplay: (Torpedo hell)
    Cold Waters Lore:

  • @lycossurfer8851
    @lycossurfer8851 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @5:23 they still nervous about Japanese Torpedo Boats I see

  • @nimrodquimbus912
    @nimrodquimbus912 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whats wrong with making popcorn at sea ? He He
    How are periscopes made, so that there is no leaking after severe damage , like folding it over?
    Why couldn't the reactor be de-fueled before replacing the lid? I assume it would be about cutting a hole in the ship.
    This channel has great content and delivery.

  • @leonswan6733
    @leonswan6733 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Jive Turkey Question??? What is the website that you subscribe to for the LIVE European F 1 races ??? I also am a serious European F 1 race fan and i need a place to get all the races all over the world they go. I use to watch them on TH-cam last years but i believe that got shut down for copyright stuff, you know. Help me out Jive.

  • @Knubbers24_Ryan_Van_Riper
    @Knubbers24_Ryan_Van_Riper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sub Brief 🤘⚓

  • @remiel3315
    @remiel3315 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    there's a fine line between brave and insane, and I've noticed that Russians hop scotch that line regularly

  • @jakubstrumillo
    @jakubstrumillo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a good evening :D

  • @sebastiandc1392
    @sebastiandc1392 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn you i always have to go to the inch to MM converter lol. Cheers

  • @johnsmith-yj2cn
    @johnsmith-yj2cn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    40 megaton = 40000 kiloton , 1 megaton = 1000 kiloton

  • @nimrodquimbus912
    @nimrodquimbus912 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whats wrong with making popcorn at sea ? He He

  • @UTSareth
    @UTSareth 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Isn't there a Russian AI controlled stealth nuclear powered nuclear torpedo that is operational now?

  • @Swede_4_DJT
    @Swede_4_DJT ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👌

  • @derekrwatson346
    @derekrwatson346 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seems like a typical Russian solution to a problem, welding the emergency buoy to the deck. But I guess its better than being sunk buy the stupid thing.

    • @benbaselet2026
      @benbaselet2026 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Should have just scratched the buoy off the design and make the space a sauna. Win for all.

  • @ericmason349
    @ericmason349 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you mentioned some detail about the underwater nuclear generators that Russia is putting into use? With the nuclear accidents I wonder if they are safe. I could at least see environmental damage from them.

    • @navyreviewer
      @navyreviewer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He has mentioned them.

    • @Sovetskyz
      @Sovetskyz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Beginning with Delta sub designs, the Soviets have improved their safety standards. With little to no nuclear related accidents. Refer to the Delta brief videos, he mentioned this regarding safety improvements.

  • @nimrodquimbus912
    @nimrodquimbus912 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How are periscopes made, so that there is no leaking after severe damage , like folding it over?

    • @thomashart9304
      @thomashart9304 ปีที่แล้ว

      The main shaft that telescopes into the boat is significantly more robust than the part that is exposed topside. It is also supported by bearings both above and below the operator's position, so the force is kind of focused onto the more fragile exposed area above the sail. Minor leaking is still likely after severe periscope damage

  • @tomtom3889
    @tomtom3889 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3 years after the nuclear program began the safety aspects wore created.

    • @zacharyradford5552
      @zacharyradford5552 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Soviet nuclear safety measures where, well your not dead and you haven’t started glowing yet so I guess it’s good to go.

  • @pegzounet
    @pegzounet 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    40 MT at 16 miles ? Talk about a suicide weapon ...

  • @frankeycrawford
    @frankeycrawford 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    When he gets done with all of the soviets subs I'll have master degree in soviets subs lol

  • @trevortaylor5501
    @trevortaylor5501 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So the soviet sub blew his ballast and surfaced quickly to avoid the torpedo he launched, battle tactics 101 says the captain of the Dallas from the Red October lol... As if that really happened in history.

  • @TheCatherineCC
    @TheCatherineCC 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're late, it's december today ;)

  • @kruelunusual6242
    @kruelunusual6242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How lucky for me.

  • @ColonelEviscerator
    @ColonelEviscerator 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I may be wrong, but I believe it is currently December, not November.

  • @stoddern
    @stoddern 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Batteries are very heavy, you put them at the lowest possible point as close to the center of gravity. Just like with aircraft it's all about fore to aft balance with a sub. As a submariner you should know that Aaron, it's basic and no secret that needs to be kept under NDA.

  • @leonswan6733
    @leonswan6733 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would say if the reactor coolant ( water ) depressurizes and the fuel rods are hot it will cause the water coolant to boil to steam and a steam pocket under the pressure vessel lid not circulating out heat will cause the fuel rods to melt. More like the American " 3 mile Island accident 1979 " Than Chernobyl Ukraine 1986.
    Chernobyl was a horrible reactor design where the fuel rods moderated with graphite layers not submerged in water coolant moderator like everyone else has air and combustible hydrogen gases from the coolant leaking in pipes/ tubes running bottom to top been heated by the fuel rods to steam and collected in a steam drum at the top. ( electrolysis ). They essentially had a large pipe bomb where rapid insertion of boron / silver control rods caused a spike in thermal reaction with steam water graphite Air Hydrogen and BOOM. A large PIPE BOMB.

  • @taraswertelecki3786
    @taraswertelecki3786 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This class of submarine, and other early Soviet nuclear submarines were cancer factories. Now naval hospitals in Russia see lots of former sailors who have radiation induced cancers and other maladies because they were unfortunate to be assigned to these vessels. There was not nearly enough shielding, and that was because the Communist Party wanted a fast submarine and the well being of the crew was at best a distant second in their list of priorities. In other words, if they had enough shielding to protect the crew, the boats would have not been able to exceed 30 knots. At any rate, they were noisy and easy to detect for the Western boats and ASW vessels. It is very fortunate for the crews and the world these vessels never saw combat. Their destruction would have created underwater Chernobyls, and it seems they nearly created more Chernobyls by mistakes made by refueling crews. Russia really needed badly their own Hyman Rickover. Say what you want to about him as a man, but he had the right idea that when it comes to nuclear power, safety and competence were everything to him. If he was in charge of the Soviet nuclear program, I think he would have bent even the Central Committee to his iron will. I think he and my father shared DNA in common.

    • @dosvidanyagaming4123
      @dosvidanyagaming4123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There's a slightly brutal joke about this. How do you find a Northern Fleet submariner in a room? Turn off the lights, he'll glow in the dark

    • @navyreviewer
      @navyreviewer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is the brutal reality of "communism," human life is explendable. You are the property of the government. A worker ant.

  • @georgeburns7251
    @georgeburns7251 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This has false info… says tracked Midway in 1970 in the med. midway made Westpak in the early 70’s

  • @tomcook5813
    @tomcook5813 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Block heads man

  • @tex77tex77
    @tex77tex77 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such an abrupt ending. Need to work on that squidy.

  • @warmstrong5612
    @warmstrong5612 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Operating a submarine with a known and dangerous flaw is still dumb, no question.

    • @zacharyradford5552
      @zacharyradford5552 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aaaah but the old proverb has more operating a Soviet sub with no know flaw is dumb. Everything that the Soviets made that they said was complete and and safe should have had an extension that went, ……… “sorta”

  • @craftpaint1644
    @craftpaint1644 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I heard about that crooked reactor lid incident, Russian Shipyards are amazing in every application of the word. Amazing stupidity that time on a long list of stupid 🤦🇺🇲🛠️🇷🇺