He was only minorly corrupt. No slaves or anything, but extorted money here and there, and probably slept around on his Queen, and had some bastard children that he sent to the nunnery.
@@vond5829 If we were given no other option and were as educated as the rats, we'd do the same. rats absolutely have a moral compass, choosing to save another rat over food
And via this comment thread I discovered that ants pass the mirror sapience test and dogs do not. Thanks Wiki link chain with me trying to discover if rats have morality.
Joel Haver is wonderul. Found him for his animations, stayed for his indie films. "Forget about everything for a while" and "Pretend you love me" are such heart-wrenchers.
@@songbirdsandsandwiches8217 It is "actual animation", just because its not as complicated or as time consuming as some other types of animation doesn't make it any less of a animation
I got flashbacks about how i make perfect "good" ending in Dragon Age Origin(ecxept fem!hero becase you can't bang morrigan becase duhh youre a woman). I know in this game is really hard to make worst or really bad ending but i just don't wanna kill loghain. Yes he is betrayed the king and don't follow orders but in canon he See how fucked up situation is. Even with his help king can't win war in a single battle...
@@darkedgelord737 I thought that's one of the story's strong points, emphasizing how everything is in a very grey area and there isn't really an ideal scenario where all is right. Kind of like highlighting cause and effect. Either way, well written.
Well one video is called 'playing rpg for the 1st time'' and the other ''for the 2nd time'' and is reccomended right after... so yeah. I also didnt know there are previous parts.
@Voil Velev the uploader shouldn't of name it 2nd time if it wasnt the second part. The AI tried but it can only do so much. I think the boss music one is the 2nd one
except the town would be mad about him killing a rat that hadnt done anything wrong yet. the rat had to show how terrible it could be for the killing of it to be justified by anyone who doent have replay knowledge. just one of those time travel conundrums that are really hard to solve. you kinda just have to be the bad guy and be ok knowing you did what needed to be done.
If only more games had these kinds of twists. The first 3 videos in this series really highlights how you could turn a players tendencies agents them. Finding out how Marshal is actually a villain Is a revelation on par with the best RPG's. It hits as hard as "would you kindly"
The Witcher series does it quite a lot, to the point where I guess you could argue it ceases to be a twist. But in those games, more often than not, you'll be hired to kill a monster that is causing problems only to find out that said monster is either not the real culprit or is acting in self defence because someone is screwing with it.
@@yewtewbstew547 Yeah, they're not so much 'twists' as commentary. Its deliberately built as an expectation and exposition of power dynamics in the world.
my problem here is he watched them out of order so he lost some funny context. 1: It paying a RPG for the first time 2: Hearing enemy music in an RPG 3: Playing a rpg for the second time
The second episode that you watched was Part 4... *1st Episode: "The Giant"* The giant that guards the valley (He's on the ending scene on last Episode) *2nd Episode: "Playing an RPG for the first time"* That's where he meets the old man & Marshal for the first time and see the village. *3rd Episode : "Hearing Enemy Music in an RPG"* That's what happens after all the conversation he had with the old man in the village, and here he meets the "Drayloth The Mutilator" and at the end of the episode he Restarts the game. *4th Episode: "Playing an RPG for the second time"* Last Episode of the adventure. *5th Episode: "Returning to an RPG that you haven't played in a while"* Finished all the game's story. *6th Episode: "The Real RPG Guy Has a Surprise For You"* Last Episode of RPG Guy.
The Giant is a separate short from the same universe, there're more of them - about new king and the green guy, about ghouls, a guy from the bar who was in the movie, maybe there're more
Joel started showing up on my feed 2 weeks ago and I haven’t been able to stop watching his vids. They make me laugh and some actually made me cry. Very creative dude.
Not his fault lol. The name of the video is "second time" and it was the next one in the youtube suggestion. When he read in chat he immediately checked the title of the video and was confused for a sec
He was talking about the animation, with the fuzzy horizontal lines. Makes it look like something from the 80s, like an old tape recording of Empire Strikes Back
Marshal was an ordinary, unassuming rat like any other. And like all rats, Marshal was quite curious. This wasn’t the first dungeon he’s ventured into-and certainly not the most dangerous. Most creatures wouldn’t even notice him if he stuck to the corners. So there was really nothing to worry about it. Then he saw it. A chunk of glowing green mineral just laying there in the corner. Out of the hundreds of dungeons Marshal’s been into, he’s never seen anything like this before. The little rat never understood what drove humans to squabble over gold and diamonds before, but an unfamiliar feeling was swelling within his chest. The stone was so splendid, so beautiful. It was far worth more being called a treasure than anything the humans kept in their vaults. Marshal could practically taste the power emanating from the stone. It sung to him, called to him. It gave him an idea. Instead of humoring the odious humans as their pet mascot, Marshal would deliver unto them… Ruination. Yes-yes…
Asmon watched the first and the third parts of the story. There’s a 4th one recently came out. And a few OVA’s of sorts, one is about a giant and the sunset, and second is about aliens that appear in part 4, and one is about Tony Lazzuto who also appears in part 4. I’m deep in the lore of this universe, lol.
Joel's content is fascinating work and extremely difficult to produce - using an old rotoscope technique to animate like the old Lord of the Rings cartoon from long ago. His channel is absolutely worth following not just because of the strangely produced content but he's one of the more innovative content creators out there.
I had to repost this on reddit like five times before asmon noticed. My bad for posting on reddit when he wasnt gonna stream that day lol. Joel Haver is great
I like the follow up to these, where the protagonist has settled down with a wife, but because his wife is just some random NPC she only has two lines of dialogue and is driving him crazy. "Townton is so beautiful this time of day." "Do you think they got a new shipment of cheese wheels in at the corner market today?"
Asmongold! i was just playing in broken isles and the quest called 'EYE SEE YOU' over in fel ingress (north east azsuna) gives you an eye of kilrogg, i just found out that it has UNLIMITED range and UNLIMITED duration. infact the only thing its limited by is how low in the ocean you go! i tested it and went out for about 25mins and everything started to change! after a bit longer i went down to see if there was ground and there was.. a giant circle just imprinted into the ground for no reason. i know its parto f the level editing process but still its funny.. filmed it too!!
omg this is amazing. i stumbled on to part 2, and then seen asmon watched this. great guy. didnt care to watch til he started playing final fantasy 14. now we have a common interest :P
I believe the hearing enemy music in RPG one occurs between Playing for first time and Playing for second time video. You should have continued off from first one with that one first. Gives some context to someone he interacts with during his quick trip to kill the rat. :P
Dude why was the ending scene against Marshall actually fucking epic? A joke about an RPG player killing a rat with a gun had me more hyped up than any WoW cinematic of the past 10 years
The King: "I wasnt even that corrupt."
that killed me
That killed him too
It killed him too
Self aware corrupt
@@TrazynTI a good king, not that corrupt, not like the others, those who are 110% corrupt
He was only minorly corrupt. No slaves or anything, but extorted money here and there, and probably slept around on his Queen, and had some bastard children that he sent to the nunnery.
"Marshall has no moral compass. He is a rat."
Can't handle this amount of truth
@Snake24 morals are just more evolved social contracts built from survival instinct though?
@Martin Green Moral my ass, they're cannibalistic! (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
@@vond5829 If we were given no other option and were as educated as the rats, we'd do the same. rats absolutely have a moral compass, choosing to save another rat over food
@@vond5829 most animals have committed cannibalism
And via this comment thread I discovered that ants pass the mirror sapience test and dogs do not. Thanks Wiki link chain with me trying to discover if rats have morality.
Joel Haver is wonderul. Found him for his animations, stayed for his indie films. "Forget about everything for a while" and "Pretend you love me" are such heart-wrenchers.
"Animation" is a strong word, his videos are good but to compare it to actual animation is just insane.
@@songbirdsandsandwiches8217
>Nobody Liked That.
@@songbirdsandsandwiches8217 It is "actual animation", just because its not as complicated or as time consuming as some other types of animation doesn't make it any less of a animation
@@songbirdsandsandwiches8217 rotoscope has been a staple of animation for decades.
@@songbirdsandsandwiches8217 What an ignorant thing to say, god damn.
"I'm so sick of doing everything wrong"
I can relate lol
guys, why are my attacks healing the boss
I got flashbacks about how i make perfect "good" ending in Dragon Age Origin(ecxept fem!hero becase you can't bang morrigan becase duhh youre a woman). I know in this game is really hard to make worst or really bad ending but i just don't wanna kill loghain. Yes he is betrayed the king and don't follow orders but in canon he See how fucked up situation is. Even with his help king can't win war in a single battle...
This was the moment be lost his health bar too.
@@darkedgelord737 I thought that's one of the story's strong points, emphasizing how everything is in a very grey area and there isn't really an ideal scenario where all is right. Kind of like highlighting cause and effect. Either way, well written.
@@Kittsuera immune effect moment
Chat: “you’re actually skipping several parts to the story”
Asmon: “nah”
Well one video is called 'playing rpg for the 1st time'' and the other ''for the 2nd time'' and is reccomended right after... so yeah. I also didnt know there are previous parts.
@Voil Velev the uploader shouldn't of name it 2nd time if it wasnt the second part. The AI tried but it can only do so much. I think the boss music one is the 2nd one
@@CrimsonRayne You don't do that thing called thinking logically, do you?
@@CrimsonRayne after the 2nd part(episod) the player decided to restart and the play and played the rpg for the second time to get the "good" ending
@@CrimsonRayne shouldn't have named it*
When you realize the first choice "killing the rat" was the right choice.
just folllow warhammer philospy and your prity okey at stoping world ending events.
kill the rats first
except the town would be mad about him killing a rat that hadnt done anything wrong yet. the rat had to show how terrible it could be for the killing of it to be justified by anyone who doent have replay knowledge. just one of those time travel conundrums that are really hard to solve. you kinda just have to be the bad guy and be ok knowing you did what needed to be done.
@@kenpanderz672 its a rat warhammer taught us kill the rat. And you wil be fine.
Aww he missed an episode.
Technically missed two if you count the giant.
@@LogicReel 3 if you count the newest deleted scene
@@TheInfidel_SlavaUA yeah hes named like a b tier movie director
@@Zaudejis Oh fuck off, because he didn't watch every fucking thing he's now not smart?
@@TheInfidel_SlavaUA gottem
i LOVE how he skipped part 2 unknowingly, and he picked up what happened anyways because Joel is an amazing visual storyteller.
If only more games had these kinds of twists. The first 3 videos in this series really highlights how you could turn a players tendencies agents them. Finding out how Marshal is actually a villain Is a revelation on par with the best RPG's. It hits as hard as "would you kindly"
From Software games my man
@@Paper323 The only twist in a Fromsoft game is if someone doesn't turn out to be a villain or have a self-immolating end.
The Witcher series does it quite a lot, to the point where I guess you could argue it ceases to be a twist. But in those games, more often than not, you'll be hired to kill a monster that is causing problems only to find out that said monster is either not the real culprit or is acting in self defence because someone is screwing with it.
@@yewtewbstew547 Yeah, they're not so much 'twists' as commentary. Its deliberately built as an expectation and exposition of power dynamics in the world.
Undertale
The lore is deeper than most films now of days
sadly true
Nowadays, ... I"m sad.
@@vasiliynkudryavtsevit's poetry. The now of days.
Joel Havers content is second to none, he has such a great sense of humour and his animation style is so endearing it's addictive, love that guy.
Meh. Hurts the eyes. Humour is average.
@@reecemccullough4829 lol ok
@@reecemccullough4829 Dude has a tiny rain cloud that follows him around
@@reecemccullough4829your existence hurts my eye.
One of his best is the NPC trailing and the NPC pov when your controller dies
Let's not forget the space ones
Damn... seeing these two amazing names collide is content I didn't know I needed. Watch more Joel!!!
but arent we just watching joel???
my problem here is he watched them out of order so he lost some funny context.
1: It paying a RPG for the first time
2: Hearing enemy music in an RPG
3: Playing a rpg for the second time
And the giant video too
its no big deal. theres fun in rewatching and realizing new context, you know? its not like these are not enjoyable otherwise.
My only problem is he just reupload the entire vid with almost 0 reaction to it
@@rdxzero I don't see how it's a problem when the creator is fine with it?
I watched it out of order as well. Made me think of it as star wars
Man, too bad he missed all the videos before watching the "second" part.
Well it was called part 2 lol
@@Thomastm33 Yeah, it sucks that he didn't watch the other videos for context but going to the second part is only common sense.
@@Thomastm33 no, it was called "playing an rpg for the second time", not part 2
@@Ecliptor. Which anyone would assume means "Part 2"
@@frosy1180 I didn't, lol. It means they beat the game and re-played it. I looked for all the videos of him playing it before starting newgame+
The second episode that you watched was Part 4...
*1st Episode: "The Giant"*
The giant that guards the valley (He's on the ending scene on last Episode)
*2nd Episode: "Playing an RPG for the first time"*
That's where he meets the old man & Marshal for the first time and see the village.
*3rd Episode : "Hearing Enemy Music in an RPG"*
That's what happens after all the conversation he had with the old man in the village, and here he meets the "Drayloth The Mutilator" and at the end of the episode he Restarts the game.
*4th Episode: "Playing an RPG for the second time"*
Last Episode of the adventure.
*5th Episode: "Returning to an RPG that you haven't played in a while"*
Finished all the game's story.
*6th Episode: "The Real RPG Guy Has a Surprise For You"*
Last Episode of RPG Guy.
The Giant is a separate short from the same universe, there're more of them - about new king and the green guy, about ghouls, a guy from the bar who was in the movie, maybe there're more
Joel started showing up on my feed 2 weeks ago and I haven’t been able to stop watching his vids. They make me laugh and some actually made me cry.
Very creative dude.
The fact he skipped two episodes drives me nuts. I now understand why he won't boost in xiv.
why would he
Not his fault lol. The name of the video is "second time" and it was the next one in the youtube suggestion. When he read in chat he immediately checked the title of the video and was confused for a sec
I didnt know there were any other episodes to this up until now
He didn't watch any more of them cause he got bored.
Idiot can just name his videos properly.
"Marshal is bad now. He has a gun!" Rat with the gun man, a freakin' gun. xD
My favorite comment from the original video: “‘wanted’ posters are just ‘missing’ posters for people we don’t like”
Joel's the best. I hope he continues to revisit this RPG world.
Nice, Joel Haver deserves every "shoutout" he can get!
Joel’s stuff is so great 😀 about time Asmon got around to watching some of his stuff.
"The best part about this... is the lines"
Sure. That's the best part.
Bruh... Same. Like wtf?
I thought he was gonna say something wholesome but nope lol
He was talking about the animation, with the fuzzy horizontal lines. Makes it look like something from the 80s, like an old tape recording of Empire Strikes Back
Joel Haver is awesome. His short video skits...movies...the cartoons one of the best youtubers period.
Oh my god. I never would have thought you'd watch this video. When worlds fucking collide.
Im surprised he just discovered this quality content
Marshal was an ordinary, unassuming rat like any other. And like all rats, Marshal was quite curious. This wasn’t the first dungeon he’s ventured into-and certainly not the most dangerous. Most creatures wouldn’t even notice him if he stuck to the corners. So there was really nothing to worry about it.
Then he saw it.
A chunk of glowing green mineral just laying there in the corner. Out of the hundreds of dungeons Marshal’s been into, he’s never seen anything like this before. The little rat never understood what drove humans to squabble over gold and diamonds before, but an unfamiliar feeling was swelling within his chest. The stone was so splendid, so beautiful. It was far worth more being called a treasure than anything the humans kept in their vaults. Marshal could practically taste the power emanating from the stone.
It sung to him, called to him. It gave him an idea. Instead of humoring the odious humans as their pet mascot, Marshal would deliver unto them… Ruination.
Yes-yes…
That final battle with Marshall was amazing, that triumphant Huzzah
Asmon watched the first and the third parts of the story. There’s a 4th one recently came out. And a few OVA’s of sorts, one is about a giant and the sunset, and second is about aliens that appear in part 4, and one is about Tony Lazzuto who also appears in part 4.
I’m deep in the lore of this universe, lol.
Joel's content is fascinating work and extremely difficult to produce - using an old rotoscope technique to animate like the old Lord of the Rings cartoon from long ago. His channel is absolutely worth following not just because of the strangely produced content but he's one of the more innovative content creators out there.
Joel's stuff is pretty pog :D.
Jesus F ing christ tha was a roller coaster. "I'm tired of doing everything wrong!" man, that hit me hard.
Devs confirmed, they've heard of the Star Wars BF2 incident.
Im so glad Asmon finally found Joel Haver
I had to repost this on reddit like five times before asmon noticed. My bad for posting on reddit when he wasnt gonna stream that day lol. Joel Haver is great
Joel Haver is absolutely a LEGEND
Absolutely love those videos, HUZZAH!
Joel Haver is a blessing in these forsaken times
"The sun never sets on the rat empire!" As Russian badger says
There might be a reason why you start in the prison, right?
Ohhh... oh no
I like the follow up to these, where the protagonist has settled down with a wife, but because his wife is just some random NPC she only has two lines of dialogue and is driving him crazy.
"Townton is so beautiful this time of day."
"Do you think they got a new shipment of cheese wheels in at the corner market today?"
"Look! This is every cheese wheel in the game."
I love the genuine look of concern on your face once you see that Townton is on fire. Good man.
sad that he didn't watch it in order but it's still great
YES, you found Joel Haver, pleasant as it gets.
A rule of RPGs: you meet the final boss very early in the game without knowing.
missed couple of episodes from Joel Haver-verse but it's great to see it again.
Asmonds eyebrows, hes so into it!
Asmongold! i was just playing in broken isles and the quest called 'EYE SEE YOU' over in fel ingress (north east azsuna) gives you an eye of kilrogg, i just found out that it has UNLIMITED range and UNLIMITED duration. infact the only thing its limited by is how low in the ocean you go! i tested it and went out for about 25mins and everything started to change! after a bit longer i went down to see if there was ground and there was.. a giant circle just imprinted into the ground for no reason. i know its parto f the level editing process but still its funny.. filmed it too!!
Went to highschool with the guy who made these. Lol. Still gold
Joel Haver has so much good shiz
man i'm so happy he watched it but at the same time it's such a shame he couldn't understand all the lore because he didn't watch part 3 and the giant
These first two rpg episodes are always such a roller-coaster.
Joel Haver is definitely S tier
Adventure awaits! HUZAAAH!
I love Joel's style of comedy, it's so great!
omg this is amazing. i stumbled on to part 2, and then seen asmon watched this. great guy. didnt care to watch til he started playing final fantasy 14. now we have a common interest :P
Viva La Dirt League has got some great skits as well
My favourite quote "Marshell has no moral compass.. he is a rat" quite obvious after he mentioned it haha.
Yesss! I've been wondering whether or not you've seen these gems.
The best one of these is the speed runners from the NPC perspective, I loved that.
My first bg3 playthrough in a nutshell.💀
Would love to see him react to Joel's other animations, including the actual part two in between these lol
Ah yes. The time has finally come. I remember my first Joel Haver binge. Twas not too long ago.
He should watch the rest of them they are pretty funny
"Doomed if you do, doomed if you don't" lol
He skiped the video of the red dude with healtbar and the giant
chat: "this is part 3"
asmon: "no it isnt"
playing an rp for the first time being the third instalment in the RPG series: >->
"This is part 3? No it's not". He says, not checking for another episode.
I believe the hearing enemy music in RPG one occurs between Playing for first time and Playing for second time video. You should have continued off from first one with that one first. Gives some context to someone he interacts with during his quick trip to kill the rat. :P
He missed the second video. That being when you hear enemy music!!!
The stealth mission episode is my favourite
“What was that? Must’ve been my imagination…”
lol, right after they introduce marshall, and ask if they've seen him, i get an ad for a special air fryer. haw haw haw
HAZZAAAH!
4:38 This is basically Tenpenny Tower side quest in F3, no matter WHAT you do, Roy is just an aahole who ruons everything
Joel Haver's videos are great. I love the mix of lowkey awkvardness and truth bombs.
React to Ice Guys and Ice Guys : Meltdown
The part about what Healthbars mean was deep.
this channel is priceless
this is like Groundhog Day but nothing is predictable.
Something tells me that this was his first RNG Rogue-like RPG
Every body RUN.
The Town Rat's got a gun...
him not realising that the second one he watched was the 3rd is... MWAH
Gotta be honest, I'm digging the rotoscoping.
Great video Asmon :)
Damnit he missed the whole universe!
Joel is bad ass. Glad you discovered him.
R.I.P Part 2
How could he, with the help of chat, fuck up so hard to literally miss two videos and skip it to the end?!
Watching a clip of a guy watching a clip with a chatroom full of people watching a guy watching a clip.
did Asmon see the third video? "Hearing enemy music in an RPG"
You went straight to part 3 lol
3:55 now thats what i call an ''fu**ing butterfly effect''
Been waiting for the "Asmon watches Joel Haver" videos.
A great journey began this day..
Reminds me of the older animations like Wizards, and the animated Lord of the Rings films back in the day
the last dialogue is so tarantinoesque
This video makes me remember the good old days of Monty Phyton.
Adventure awaaiiits huzzaaahhh
Dude why was the ending scene against Marshall actually fucking epic? A joke about an RPG player killing a rat with a gun had me more hyped up than any WoW cinematic of the past 10 years