1. Report it to your debit card bank if that is how you paid and tell them you refute the charge. OR 2. Report it to your credit card company and do the same as above. CC companies and banks hate being scammed out of your money also...3. Report the scammer to your consumer protection bureau in your town/state/county. Put him on blast on every online chat! You will get your money back one way or another; no matter what they threaten they may do to you! The scammers always pick on those they believe will do nothing to get back at them. Any non disclosure form/agreement/exploitation is invalidated by the theft they committed! Good luck! And BTW to anyone reading this there is no silver bullet or magical potion to selling your art! No way no how and there is an old saying' those that can't do, teach! and 4. Finally sue the rat for every penny in Small Caims Court or at your Civil Court depending on the amount you can sue for in that jurisdiction! I know this sucks but being out of pocket sucks even more in my opinion. NO ONE should be taken advantage of period! He'll get his one way or another! Thank you for sharing your story.
I would report that guy to 1. The Better Business Bureau, 2. The Ripoff Report 3. Your State Attorney General. If Artist stay quiet about that fraud, he'll continue to steal your hard earned money.
Former paralegal here. You did the right thing by not saying his name or the business. Try to resolve this with him first and if he doesn’t comply then move forward with your next steps. I hope you get justice.
First red flag; “you’ll make sales in the first month”. No one can guarantee you sales, ever. The only thing that can guarantee sales is an audience (of actual buyers or collectors) that you’ve built up over time.
The problem is that he says he teaches you how to find your audience to pull in these numbers. He’s on YT interviewing artists in his program saying that this is the amount they’re making in sales (10-25k per month). It’s a sophisticated scam with other people involved that’s the real problem.
@@luzdelasestrellas720 all online educators interview their best students. As savvy consumers we all have to assume that “results are not typical”. We don’t know where the student was before the teacher got involved. Even with legitimate course creators, their “star” students already had a great product or some other kind of leverage - that makes them look like an overnight success. But nothing is truly overnight. Once we fully get that, these people can’t fool us.
I took a course with another art marketer who charges 8k+ and unfortunately she has a huge following and threatens to sue if you speak up. No one can say anything about her course which is sick. She used to work in Wall Street and seems very credible but knows nothing about the art market. All smokes and mirrors. These people are not working artists! They’re just taking advantage of artists. Thank you for sharing your story. I might have to do the same…
Don’t say their name, just leave enough details to be able to figure it out. I used to work at a _Dildo Factory_ (ps- it wasn’t a dildo factory) and the boss was a B. More than just a B, she was racist and classist. If I made a video about the owner of a chain of _dildo stores_ in a major city and she thought that B sounded like her, then she’d have to admit to recognizing her own actions in the story, and admit to being a total B in order to sue. But no way she’d ever admit that…sooooo.
@@nataliazorinliu With all due respect, I disagree. The people who have reached out to me now know and many have dodged a bullet because they almost bought his program. I couldn’t say the name of the program in the video for legal reasons. Unfortunately, there are many scammers who understand the law and know how to protect themselves and abuse others financially. I did my best to warn others by making this video and said to contact me for more information.
Aaron Blaise has amazing art courses, most under a hundred dollars. Id recommended his work for anyone interested in character design or animation. Makes me so sad to see scammers in our community.
I will second that Aaron Blaise has amazing courses. And sometimes he has sales on his courses and you can get them for under $10. I also have had good luck with 21 Draw and Schoolism. Bobby Chiu is the artist behind Schoolism and I definitely recommend his youtube channel - actually Aaron's too.
Seems like a very sophisticated scam. Him, giving a commission on referrals that is so terrible, you were hopeful recommended it by a person and it made the perfect storm. 2000 dollars isn’t that much in the grand scheme of things. An expensive lesson to learn, but you’ve been through it and you are looking and doing amazing mentally from what I can see, well done, I wish you well
Thank you. It was a very expensive lesson to learn. It opened my eyes to a lot, but it motivated me learn the business side on my own through trial and error.
Man that sucks. Before I take a class, I check with my local library. They often have a similar or better class, either streaming or in person, for free. The free access to linked in classes is awesome. I'm too poor to take a risk like that. It's far too common these days.
@@Iwanttodrawachicken Oh wow thanks for sharing. I never thought to check my local library for classes. Thank you for sharing this gem! You’re right, getting scammed is far too common these days to take the risks especially with high ticket courses.
Wow, I'm so sorry to hear this happened to you. I was just about to buy an expensive course another day, but changed my mind last minute because it was just too much for me. I decided to stick with my $6 domestika courses
For online courses i can recommend schoolism, new masters academy and visual arts passage. All taught by people in the industry right now. I'd avoid domestika as I was very nearly scammed by them recently (hidden costs, fortunately I discovered before I got charged) but ALSO, three of my peers who have courses on there have not been paid enough for their courses, it's not a company who supports artists unfortunately :(
@@ArtByEmilyHare Oh no! I personally haven't had issues with them yet, but thanks a lot for sharing this info. It's really sad how hard it is to find an honest and ethical source today
Thanks for sharing. I noticed some ppl are harping in on the grammatical error part and aren’t taking everything else into consideration. A lot of these scammers have people in on the scam and they do their best to gaslight victims into believing they aren’t being scammed. Thanks for all you do Tarra! ❤
Scam artists are the worst. I’m sorry that happened to you and glad you’re speaking on it. Right after you gave birth too. People can really get your blood boiling sometimes
I'm sure I know exactly who and what course you are referring to. It is a shame that this happened to so many artists. Thank you for speaking out. I just wrote it off as a big mistake on my part. Once in the course, the material was dripped out over months. As I got further along, I realized there was little value in the content. I was hopeful that there would eventually be enough content and usefulness to warrant the cost. Sadly nowhere near. I love your advice about seeking out artists and getting direct feedback from them if they have completed the same course. There are so many scams for everything right now, not just for artists. I still pay for art courses - specific art techniques, from artists that I admire. I keep it within my budget and typically locally with artists I personally know. I am very wary now of any other online courses.
It sounds about right. We probably did take the same course because there was very little value in the content. I was shocked when I saw the slides initially. It is a shame especially for those that paid almost 5k. I believe 3 of them did his more advanced program and paid $10k and afterwards he shared all the information from that program on YT.
The online course industry needs to be regulated. I’ve invested in some amazing courses that added to my skillset but there are just as many out there that are complete scams like this. It’s so sad that we have to be more sophisticated than the scammers to figure out what’s legit.
Yes! Absolutely. We do have to be more sophisticated than scammers and know how to protect ourselves because a lot of them use the law to their advantage.
😮💨 just saved me $5k about a graphic design course i had a funny feeling about. All the things you said that were red flags are part of this course. I hate that people get taken advantage of when they’re ignorant and actively searching for the info 🙄🤦🏾♀️
Your video appeared on my feed at just the right time, thank you universe! I am so sorry this happened to you, but so appreciate you sharing. I have been considering signing up for one of these, but being a starving, broke artist saved me! That kind of investment gamble seemed too risky for my wallet, so I kept procrastinating. You’ve probably saved me some serious $…thank you! Just subscribed, gonna check out your channel now 😁
Never pay 4 digits for an *online* course. Period. I'm a Technical Artist in the AAA video game space and there is NO art / subject that niche that will ever warrant that amount of money. Understand what you want to achieve, have a good idea of the skills needed and collate a TH-cam syllabus. Once you've gone through it and understood where youre lacking knowledge, then find online courses that will fill those gaps. I have been to university, while beneficial, the self study route is where I saw my most growth. I've also been tempted with fancy courses but *always* do you research. There are people who are quick to take your money and run. Sorry to hear that this happened to you and I hope you get your money back ASAP
Thank you for sharing your wisdom. The self study route is where I'm seeing most of my growth as well. This experience was a very expensive lesson to learn but these people won't catch me slipping again.
@@tarralu Oef... I can well imagine and again, I'm sorry this happened to you The best way to go about the self study route is, once you have completed a course, do a project which will in corporate all the skills you have learned and it will simultaneously push you even further into areas you never imagined. Once you have done this a few times, the alure of online courses quickly fade away and you will be able to deduce who is really knowledgeable and who is a scammer, simply praying on people with a flashy video. All the best with your art!
Omg! That's horrible! I am so sorry you got juked! These people really are wicked. Thank you so much for sharing this with us so that we can be aware of these scams.
@@b1njjj95 It’s my pleasure. It’s important to hear how different scams operate and know what to look out for. Definitely didn’t want the world to know I got juked 😆 but I also couldn’t just sit there and not say anything…
thank you for this vid. well, there are so many scammers out there, - but to be serious, I do not understand in the slightest why these scammers are so successful - I do of course understand that these days, people jump on this "opportunities " to become rich with their art. There is nothing wrong with this, I mean the starving artist - may not need to be the reality anymore. But there is NO SUCH THING, like quick success in the art world. At least not when we talk about serious collectors, really good money for a piece of art etc. - if you see something like this, than someone had someone who paid huge sums to a Galerist, PR Agency bought social media followers, and so on. It took me over 10 years, until this one serious collector came along, bought my work, and of course as it is in his interest - he startet the ball rolling. Being an artist is hard work, the life on an artist has nothing to do with this "lazy picture" of getting out of bed not before 2 pm, than getting stoned and laying on the studio floor trying to find inspiration....its actually hard work, and there is no quick fix for success...
Wow I am so sorry that this happened to you. I will pray that you have massive success despite all of this. You are an amazing person. Thank you for sharing your story. God Bless❤
This is just terrible! I hope this scammer gets sued! Awful! I just finished a one-year online art course and I just loved it. I'd be interested in this one-on-one coaching session. My advice to everyone wanting to do a course is to find people who have taken the course and see where they are now.
You kilt this video girl! So glad you shared it because it’s all coming out and I really hope we can create a list at some point because it’s getting ridiculous.
@@sweetswirlz Thank you! I hope more artists share their stories here on YT because we’re being targeted and we can’t be afraid to speak out however way we can.
Smh 😢 so sorry this happened to you. People are always trying to sell a million dollar solution. I remember joining a program to help with sales and growing my business. I regret it so much. Everything that was in the course I was already doing for my business. Practical stuff that business owners are using everyday. I still have access to course so I use it as a reference. But I've learned so much more hear on TH-cam from other designers. But like you said, when your hopeful you just jump straight in. I'm thinking about 1-on-1 coaching for my business. It is good to have a second pair of eyes to mentor and teach new skills and help improve what needs more attention.
@@neikspreciousgems-co Yes! Same here. I’ve learned so much from other artists and from 1-on-1 coaching. I regret taking this course but it motivated me to network, ask questions, seek mentorship, and learn business.
Talk to your bank and bring the contract and proof of him breaking it. See if you can get your money back that way. Do you know where he’s based? If so, the artists in your new group who know they’ve been scammed can file a class action lawsuit.
We're currently working on filing a class action lawsuit. So far, one person was able to get their banks to reverse the charges. The majority of us are still trying through PayPal and our banks.
@@c.athompson9280 We’re working on starting a class action lawsuit. We just haven’t found a lawyer to take our case yet. The first lawyer wanted money upfront but someone suggested we find one who’s willing to get paid after the case.
It’s so true how hopeful feelings in desperate times can keep you from seeing the things you usually would avoid. Thank you for sharing your experience! I’m so sorry you that happened to you but wishing you the best! 🌼🌼🌼
I am very skeptical of artists with pretty average work making claims they made over $10k from a painting. Promising to make artists successful. If just buy their expensive course. I am confident there will be legit online courses. Plenty peddling snake oil too. I block a lot of bots wanting my art for their much larger pages.
I'm so sorry this happened to you too :( Art business courses seem to be the new goldmine for scammers 😢 Fell victim to something similar, with many of the red flags you list, and spent 1k which I could've invested in something of way better value. They promised guidance on the right mindset to have and I felt like I needed that before anything else. Now I'm super wary about anything that offers miraculous results and make a point to listen very carefully to the things 'teachers' say publicly to see if we're a match, at the very least. So lesson learned... I just wish we didn't have to throw money down the sink to find out.
@@sharirvekineorzea I’m sorry this happened to you too.Y biggest regret was not listening to my intuition. I trusted the person who recommended the program but there was a lesson learned there as well.
Slimeballs are everywhere now. It seems it's not a matter of if but when before all of us get scammed. I'm sorry this happened to you. Were I a lawyer, I would represent you and the others in the class pro bono. Alas...
I took a set of design and business courses that were a borderline scam. It was basically lots of design briefs with v little instruction and absolutely masses and masses of filler and repeat content. The people running it are very wealthy and their business model seems to be about selling art and ither dreams as a career possibility to everyone. I think quite a lot of art and business courses fall into this grey area. I rarely see anyone speak out against the course I did because they don't want to get blacklisted from the industry.
@@katec9893 I’m sorry to hear that. These business models are getting out of hand and definitely need to be controlled. I think people don’t speak out due to retaliation.
There is so much of this going on these days. I took one of these courses and thankfully it wasn't in the amount that you spent but it promised similar results about teaching you how to sell your art but all it really was was a beginner's course on how to build a portfolio and not a very detailed one at that. They even had students from that session be small group leaders so we didn't even have a working artist teaching us outside of the main videos and the small group part was an extra we paid for optionally! It was such a waste of time I didn't even get mad about the money - in fact I forgot I took it until I got an email about it a few weeks ago 🤣
@@infiniteanimationstudios 🤦🏾♀️ That’s the exact model this person followed. It was really other artists in the group that were helping each other and keeping the community going. He had one moderator but then she quit. He then hired 4 moderators but they had their own business to run so they couldn’t always help. It’s wild.
A refund in the first few months? Usually thats the expiration timeframe for GETTING refunds... and if its 2k? I better be enrolled in a college. Im sorry. That is wild. These guys are getting bold. It makes discord communities by artists, artist youtube videos with lineups of tips and tricks, feel much more comfrotable and approachable. Honestly i think some routes that are cheaper might be safer and hopefully a lot more successful. I love seeing the newer artists reaching out in discussion and getting resources left and right! Its great when you find those nooks and crannies. And discord is free!
@@Darklucariorox I totally agree with you. A lot of artists paid this guy almost $5k some as far as $10k and didn’t do what he promised. They are getting bold and the scary part is that they’re protecting themselves legally as well.
@@zoewhite7705 I am absolutely positive it’s the same one because of everything she just shared. All the details and all the red flags are the same. I am absolutely positive it’s the same person. I told the other artist in the group they should also do a video about him as well
@@London-pc1wn thank you so so muchhh. So far a few of them have joined our side and have spoken out against him. There is one situation that bothers me more than anything else is a young woman who has autism and she is practically homeless. And I asked if they could please give her money back and they won’t even acknowledge her emails 😭
I know absolutely nothing about how much people are willing to spend these days on original works of art. If the people in the market are looking for investment in art as a way of dodging taxes or dodging the economic ups or downs or what. Creating art is a time and material investment and that to me would be the starting point for how to appraise a work of art. And it seems to me that getting it sold as quickly as possible is the best return on investment. How would I, a no talent idiot sell my art? I would collaborate with other artists, rent a venue and do some advertising and have an impromptu art gallery and sale, en masse...collectively. All the costs of the event transparent, and the booking known to all...and having no event until a critical mass of artists and art was there to present. Then advertise it. Then when people show up, let them haggle...andif more than two or three people want it, let them bid. It is only worth as much as people are willing to pay for it.
I helped a friend sell her art at outdoor fairs and events, some were just for art. The ones who make the real money are the venues- renting out spaces. The second big money makers- the food trucks. The economy is not good for sales now- so research any events or courses.
@@EverydaySubversive I understand but I have to protect myself legally. There’s plenty of people who’ve experienced this but can’t say anything publicly because of the contracts they’ve sign. I did mention I’ll share the information privately if you reach out.
I offer an online LIVE but extensive art program. Even though it's not your style of art i would REALLY love to interview you to talk about your experience. I'll be emailing you shortly & eagerly await your reply.
I did to a false horse trainer who also hurt my horse due to her ignorance. Her advertisement was just a website she did for a college course. It was somisvky to realize she seemed to believe her stories and my horse had almost lost the end of her tongue which surely hurt her as well as how scared she had become to blow up being tied to short to a wall ring. Like some movie nightmare if you ask me. Horses do hurt themselves but I had a witness. Anyway. Such things and out perceptions need to be assessed and get objective and ….let it go….because I just learned that blockages are created by bad experiences like these and blockages shut us down…shut our creative flow. I have so many blockages by now I don’t know if our TH-cam tube friends with subliminals to help release them will ever ever be enough! And where does the outrage and anger go? Poison. So good of you to share. More and more things these days are scams. I find it heartbreking
Oh wow that's terrible. I hope that didn't traumatize you and your horse. I've learned the same about blockages shutting our creative flow while studying reiki. You know I've never resonated with binaural beats/subliminal messages. What helped me when it comes to releasing blockages is EFT tapping. Have you tried it before?
Sorry you got scammed. It happens. However…..900 x 2000= 1,800,000. So what if you start an online course…charge a decent amount and don’t scam. That would be a great way to earn an income. And even better certify it through a group of legitimate online artist. Hmmm….maybe it has been tried already idk.
I understand where you're coming from. I'm not against online courses per se but if you're going to charge that much at least operate with integrity and make sure it's worth that price. BTW he made more than that because we all paid different prices. Some paid 2,000, some 3,800, and the last round of artists paid $4,800 yet the information never changed. The ones who paid $4,800 paid for something outdated. He also charged 3 artists 10k and 2 of them admitted it was a ripoff and are now getting ready to sue him.
@@christophercox936 My apologies. I misread what you said. You’re the 5th person who’ve suggested the same especially since I have a background in teaching. This is probably a sign that I should really consider this 🤔. Thanks for the suggestion.
Has anyone tried Mariah mlps print course to say if it’s legit? Or can anyone share a list of legit art courses? I’m so easily trusting and just want to grow my art business😭
@@TheLisbethK Legally, publicly outing them is not the wisest thing to do especially since a contract was signed. That’s why I said if you contact me privately I’ll share more information.
@@christineschmidt1025 I understand why you want me to publicly name the person but I have to protect myself legally as well. I did the best I can by bringing awareness to this issue and provided a way to get in touch with me.
@@christineschmidt1025 There’s another artist who posted a video about him. He flat out named the person because he didn’t sign anything. I’ll ask him for permission to see if I can post the link here.
I'm interested and wanted to watch your video, Tarru, but the constant clicking back and forth (I presumable when you edited stuff out?) causes a very jerky picture. As far as I@ve watched, *It's after every sentence* My eyes immediately began to react and now I have a headache. This is a common problem for migraine and epilepsy sufferers, and a common problem on TH-cam. *For epileptics, and certain other brain conditions, it can provoke a fit.* *Please will you bear this in mind while making future videos?* IT really shouldn't be necessary. If there are typing errors in this, it's because I'm typing with one eye closed.
I don’t think she was saying it was a scam because of the grammar mistakes. It sounds like it was a red flag. And it seems as if she wasn’t able to get a refund, hence why she is sharing her story. Hopefully you’re not being triggered by her exposing this and are projecting. People like her are helping people like me to watch out for scammers.
@@ekaly23 I said the grammatical errors were a red flag, especially considering this was a course priced at $2000. But beyond that, I mentioned more serious concerns in the video. There are hundreds of artists in the same situation, requesting refunds, and he’s refusing to issue them.
I need Coffeezilla to get on this guy immediately. I used to talk about the course grift but has moved on to crypto mostly. I honestly thought the course grift was dead.
@@AFineWar If you know how I can get in touch with him please let me know. The course grifting is still ongoing and they’re causing havoc in the art community.
1. Report it to your debit card bank if that is how you paid and tell them you refute the charge. OR 2. Report it to your credit card company and do the same as above. CC companies and banks hate being scammed out of your money also...3. Report the scammer to your consumer protection bureau in your town/state/county. Put him on blast on every online chat! You will get your money back one way or another; no matter what they threaten they may do to you! The scammers always pick on those they believe will do nothing to get back at them. Any non disclosure form/agreement/exploitation is invalidated by the theft they committed! Good luck! And BTW to anyone reading this there is no silver bullet or magical potion to selling your art! No way no how and there is an old saying' those that can't do, teach! and 4. Finally sue the rat for every penny in Small Caims Court or at your Civil Court depending on the amount you can sue for in that jurisdiction! I know this sucks but being out of pocket sucks even more in my opinion. NO ONE should be taken advantage of period! He'll get his one way or another! Thank you for sharing your story.
@@reigna963 Thank you thank you thank you for this 🙏🏾
Wow so helpful thank you
I worked for a bank. As long as you got access to the course, or can’t prove that the course doesn’t exist, you don’t typically get your money back.
@@chanellacreadora unless you tell them it wasn't you and have no idea what this course even is lol
I would report that guy to 1. The Better Business Bureau, 2. The Ripoff Report 3. Your State Attorney General. If Artist stay quiet about that fraud, he'll continue to steal your hard earned money.
Former paralegal here. You did the right thing by not saying his name or the business. Try to resolve this with him first and if he doesn’t comply then move forward with your next steps. I hope you get justice.
@@PeaceJoyProsperity Thank you 🙏🏾
First red flag; “you’ll make sales in the first month”. No one can guarantee you sales, ever. The only thing that can guarantee sales is an audience (of actual buyers or collectors) that you’ve built up over time.
@@CamilaPradaTV Lesson learned…
The problem is that he says he teaches you how to find your audience to pull in these numbers. He’s on YT interviewing artists in his program saying that this is the amount they’re making in sales (10-25k per month). It’s a sophisticated scam with other people involved that’s the real problem.
@@luzdelasestrellas720 all online educators interview their best students. As savvy consumers we all have to assume that “results are not typical”. We don’t know where the student was before the teacher got involved. Even with legitimate course creators, their “star” students already had a great product or some other kind of leverage - that makes them look like an overnight success. But nothing is truly overnight. Once we fully get that, these people can’t fool us.
I took a course with another art marketer who charges 8k+ and unfortunately she has a huge following and threatens to sue if you speak up. No one can say anything about her course which is sick. She used to work in Wall Street and seems very credible but knows nothing about the art market. All smokes and mirrors. These people are not working artists! They’re just taking advantage of artists. Thank you for sharing your story. I might have to do the same…
@@StylesbyBee I know exactly who you’re referring to. She was mentioned as well and I was very disappointed to be honest.
Don’t say their name, just leave enough details to be able to figure it out. I used to work at a _Dildo Factory_ (ps- it wasn’t a dildo factory) and the boss was a B. More than just a B, she was racist and classist. If I made a video about the owner of a chain of _dildo stores_ in a major city and she thought that B sounded like her, then she’d have to admit to recognizing her own actions in the story, and admit to being a total B in order to sue. But no way she’d ever admit that…sooooo.
im very curious to which artist is this, if you care to name it, if not thats okay too
@@nataliazorinliu With all due respect, I disagree. The people who have reached out to me now know and many have dodged a bullet because they almost bought his program. I couldn’t say the name of the program in the video for legal reasons. Unfortunately, there are many scammers who understand the law and know how to protect themselves and abuse others financially. I did my best to warn others by making this video and said to contact me for more information.
@@nataliazorinliuGet out of here with that.
Aaron Blaise has amazing art courses, most under a hundred dollars. Id recommended his work for anyone interested in character design or animation. Makes me so sad to see scammers in our community.
@@swamp6825 Thank you for sharing this information 🙏🏾 It makes me sad as well.
I will second that Aaron Blaise has amazing courses. And sometimes he has sales on his courses and you can get them for under $10. I also have had good luck with 21 Draw and Schoolism. Bobby Chiu is the artist behind Schoolism and I definitely recommend his youtube channel - actually Aaron's too.
Sounds like the Federal Trade Commission needs to get involved.
@@bruceschneider4928 Absolutely
Seems like a very sophisticated scam. Him, giving a commission on referrals that is so terrible, you were hopeful recommended it by a person and it made the perfect storm. 2000 dollars isn’t that much in the grand scheme of things. An expensive lesson to learn, but you’ve been through it and you are looking and doing amazing mentally from what I can see, well done, I wish you well
Thank you. It was a very expensive lesson to learn. It opened my eyes to a lot, but it motivated me learn the business side on my own through trial and error.
Man that sucks.
Before I take a class, I check with my local library. They often have a similar or better class, either streaming or in person, for free. The free access to linked in classes is awesome. I'm too poor to take a risk like that. It's far too common these days.
@@Iwanttodrawachicken Oh wow thanks for sharing. I never thought to check my local library for classes. Thank you for sharing this gem! You’re right, getting scammed is far too common these days to take the risks especially with high ticket courses.
Wow, I'm so sorry to hear this happened to you. I was just about to buy an expensive course another day, but changed my mind last minute because it was just too much for me. I decided to stick with my $6 domestika courses
@@valeriechern Trust your gut and make sure to reach out to other artists first before buying a course.
For online courses i can recommend schoolism, new masters academy and visual arts passage. All taught by people in the industry right now. I'd avoid domestika as I was very nearly scammed by them recently (hidden costs, fortunately I discovered before I got charged) but ALSO, three of my peers who have courses on there have not been paid enough for their courses, it's not a company who supports artists unfortunately :(
@@ArtByEmilyHare Oh no! I personally haven't had issues with them yet, but thanks a lot for sharing this info. It's really sad how hard it is to find an honest and ethical source today
Thanks for sharing. I noticed some ppl are harping in on the grammatical error part and aren’t taking everything else into consideration. A lot of these scammers have people in on the scam and they do their best to gaslight victims into believing they aren’t being scammed. Thanks for all you do Tarra! ❤
Thank you!
Scam artists are the worst. I’m sorry that happened to you and glad you’re speaking on it. Right after you gave birth too. People can really get your blood boiling sometimes
@@CarterSams They sure are! He’s now trying to redeem himself now that he’s been exposed but he doesn’t think he did anything wrong. 🤦🏾♀️
You drop some good tips in this video. Artists beware of scams!!!
@@jessboldtart It’s my pleasure! Yes, please be careful out there.
I'm sure I know exactly who and what course you are referring to. It is a shame that this happened to so many artists. Thank you for speaking out. I just wrote it off as a big mistake on my part. Once in the course, the material was dripped out over months. As I got further along, I realized there was little value in the content. I was hopeful that there would eventually be enough content and usefulness to warrant the cost. Sadly nowhere near. I love your advice about seeking out artists and getting direct feedback from them if they have completed the same course. There are so many scams for everything right now, not just for artists. I still pay for art courses - specific art techniques, from artists that I admire. I keep it within my budget and typically locally with artists I personally know. I am very wary now of any other online courses.
It sounds about right. We probably did take the same course because there was very little value in the content. I was shocked when I saw the slides initially. It is a shame especially for those that paid almost 5k. I believe 3 of them did his more advanced program and paid $10k and afterwards he shared all the information from that program on YT.
If it’s Jaroid Henry then yes.
Wow! Thank you I was just about to sign up for his eye wateringly expensive $3800 course. So glad I came across your video!
@@MsCristina38 I’m glad this video found you ✨
@@tarralu Totally thank you so much for saving me so much money! I really appreciate it. I’m a new subscriber 😊❤️🙏
The online course industry needs to be regulated. I’ve invested in some amazing courses that added to my skillset but there are just as many out there that are complete scams like this. It’s so sad that we have to be more sophisticated than the scammers to figure out what’s legit.
Yes! Absolutely. We do have to be more sophisticated than scammers and know how to protect ourselves because a lot of them use the law to their advantage.
Wow, That's brutal! Sorry, you had to go through that. Thanks for sharing and helping artists become more aware.
@@drawingwithpri It is but I especially feel bad for the ones that paid almost 5k for this course.
😮💨 just saved me $5k about a graphic design course i had a funny feeling about. All the things you said that were red flags are part of this course. I hate that people get taken advantage of when they’re ignorant and actively searching for the info 🙄🤦🏾♀️
@@Piasays 😮💨 I’m glad this video found you. Don’t ignore your heart or gut. That’s my biggest regret.
Free courses by watching TH-cam tutorials in a playlist 😂😭
Also specialized books & magazines
Your video appeared on my feed at just the right time, thank you universe!
I am so sorry this happened to you, but so appreciate you sharing. I have been considering signing up for one of these, but being a starving, broke artist saved me! That kind of investment gamble seemed too risky for my wallet, so I kept procrastinating. You’ve probably saved me some serious $…thank you!
Just subscribed, gonna check out your channel now 😁
Life works in mysterious ways! I'm glad this video found you. Thank you for subscribing. 😄😄
Never pay 4 digits for an *online* course. Period.
I'm a Technical Artist in the AAA video game space and there is NO art / subject that niche that will ever warrant that amount of money.
Understand what you want to achieve, have a good idea of the skills needed and collate a TH-cam syllabus.
Once you've gone through it and understood where youre lacking knowledge, then find online courses that will fill those gaps.
I have been to university, while beneficial, the self study route is where I saw my most growth.
I've also been tempted with fancy courses but *always* do you research. There are people who are quick to take your money and run.
Sorry to hear that this happened to you and I hope you get your money back ASAP
Thank you for sharing your wisdom. The self study route is where I'm seeing most of my growth as well. This experience was a very expensive lesson to learn but these people won't catch me slipping again.
@@tarralu Oef... I can well imagine and again, I'm sorry this happened to you
The best way to go about the self study route is, once you have completed a course, do a project which will in corporate all the skills you have learned and it will simultaneously push you even further into areas you never imagined.
Once you have done this a few times, the alure of online courses quickly fade away and you will be able to deduce who is really knowledgeable and who is a scammer, simply praying on people with a flashy video.
All the best with your art!
Maybe I should do a video like this too to spread the word about this person.
Yes, please do.
@@tarraluokay!!!
Omg! That's horrible! I am so sorry you got juked! These people really are wicked. Thank you so much for sharing this with us so that we can be aware of these scams.
@@b1njjj95 It’s my pleasure. It’s important to hear how different scams operate and know what to look out for. Definitely didn’t want the world to know I got juked 😆 but I also couldn’t just sit there and not say anything…
thank you for this vid. well, there are so many scammers out there, - but to be serious, I do not understand in the slightest why these scammers are so successful - I do of course understand that these days, people jump on this "opportunities " to become rich with their art. There is nothing wrong with this, I mean the starving artist - may not need to be the reality anymore. But there is NO SUCH THING, like quick success in the art world. At least not when we talk about serious collectors, really good money for a piece of art etc. - if you see something like this, than someone had someone who paid huge sums to a Galerist, PR Agency bought social media followers, and so on.
It took me over 10 years, until this one serious collector came along, bought my work, and of course as it is in his interest - he startet the ball rolling. Being an artist is hard work, the life on an artist has nothing to do with this "lazy picture" of getting out of bed not before 2 pm, than getting stoned and laying on the studio floor trying to find inspiration....its actually hard work, and there is no quick fix for success...
@@manjamccade Yes, it takes a lot of hard work to make it as a full time artist.
Wow I am so sorry that this happened to you. I will pray that you have massive success despite all of this. You are an amazing person. Thank you for sharing your story. God Bless❤
@@BarbaraClayArtisticsoulwithin Thank you 🙏🏾 ❤️✨
This is just terrible! I hope this scammer gets sued! Awful! I just finished a one-year online art course and I just loved it. I'd be interested in this one-on-one coaching session.
My advice to everyone wanting to do a course is to find people who have taken the course and see where they are now.
@@CristinaGarcia-jy8js Great advice!
You kilt this video girl! So glad you shared it because it’s all coming out and I really hope we can create a list at some point because it’s getting ridiculous.
@@sweetswirlz Thank you! I hope more artists share their stories here on YT because we’re being targeted and we can’t be afraid to speak out however way we can.
Im so sorry that happened!!😢 Thank you for sharing🤗
@@TJ-jq9bz It’s my pleasure!
Thank you for sharing your story! I like to say in such situations that that was a lesson, an expensive one, but a lesson ;)
It certainly was!
Consider a class action lawsuit.
@@tammycarson7669 Thank you! On it!
I, too, need to know as I am in the same boat, and want to make sure it's the same course.
@@jamieherron8300 You can send me an email or DM. I just can’t say his name publicly for legal reasons.
Smh 😢 so sorry this happened to you. People are always trying to sell a million dollar solution. I remember joining a program to help with sales and growing my business. I regret it so much. Everything that was in the course I was already doing for my business. Practical stuff that business owners are using everyday. I still have access to course so I use it as a reference. But I've learned so much more hear on TH-cam from other designers. But like you said, when your hopeful you just jump straight in. I'm thinking about 1-on-1 coaching for my business. It is good to have a second pair of eyes to mentor and teach new skills and help improve what needs more attention.
@@neikspreciousgems-co Yes! Same here. I’ve learned so much from other artists and from 1-on-1 coaching. I regret taking this course but it motivated me to network, ask questions, seek mentorship, and learn business.
Talk to your bank and bring the contract and proof of him breaking it. See if you can get your money back that way.
Do you know where he’s based? If so, the artists in your new group who know they’ve been scammed can file a class action lawsuit.
We're currently working on filing a class action lawsuit. So far, one person was able to get their banks to reverse the charges. The majority of us are still trying through PayPal and our banks.
I think you and other victims should come together and file some kind of lawsuit. Revealing the name in this situation is understandable.
@@c.athompson9280 We’re working on starting a class action lawsuit. We just haven’t found a lawyer to take our case yet. The first lawyer wanted money upfront but someone suggested we find one who’s willing to get paid after the case.
It’s so true how hopeful feelings in desperate times can keep you from seeing the things you usually would avoid. Thank you for sharing your experience! I’m so sorry you that happened to you but wishing you the best! 🌼🌼🌼
It was a very expensive lesson learned. My biggest regret was not following my intuition and trusting another over myself. Thank you ❤
For anyone wanting to learn how to sell art online there’s free courses or master classes or square space videos teaching you how
So sorry to hear this and thanks for the information.
@@MagicalCreationsDisneyArt It’s my pleasure ✨
TY ❤ for sharing your experience
@@monteirolily My pleasure ✨
I am very skeptical of artists with pretty average work making claims they made over $10k from a painting. Promising to make artists successful. If just buy their expensive course. I am confident there will be legit online courses. Plenty peddling snake oil too.
I block a lot of bots wanting my art for their much larger pages.
@@soarpurpose Snake oil salesman is very much real and they know who to target.
I would never pay that much money for an online class for that very reason. There are loads of scammers waiting for victims to empty their pockets.
@@luxurycardstore It’s definitely a tricky situation. It also depends on the course, their integrity, and the value they’re providing.
I'm so sorry this happened to you too :( Art business courses seem to be the new goldmine for scammers 😢
Fell victim to something similar, with many of the red flags you list, and spent 1k which I could've invested in something of way better value. They promised guidance on the right mindset to have and I felt like I needed that before anything else. Now I'm super wary about anything that offers miraculous results and make a point to listen very carefully to the things 'teachers' say publicly to see if we're a match, at the very least.
So lesson learned... I just wish we didn't have to throw money down the sink to find out.
@@sharirvekineorzea I’m sorry this happened to you too.Y biggest regret was not listening to my intuition. I trusted the person who recommended the program but there was a lesson learned there as well.
This is just awful! That’s why I don’t invest ( I don’t even have any money to invest at that amount! ) 😅 this people need to be reported
@@MarieM-PinkArt Yes, it is awful. Investing in yourself is necessary especially if you want to do this for a living but you have to be very careful.
Slimeballs are everywhere now. It seems it's not a matter of if but when before all of us get scammed. I'm sorry this happened to you. Were I a lawyer, I would represent you and the others in the class pro bono. Alas...
@@canyonbird1 Very true which is frustrating. I personally feel bad for the ones that just joined and now can’t get a refund smh
thank god im broke for investing such amounts on courses but glad to know about all of these for when i can afford them
@@YellowcakeExperiments Not all are bad but just make sure you do your research first.
Thank you for this information.
@@cindysimons2772 It’s my pleasure.
I fell for a similar online course for business owners and also lost $2k. It was an expensive lesson to learn
@@ModdyPuppets I’m sorry to hear that. That’s so unfortunate 😔
I'm so sorry you lost money.
Thank you ❤
It sounds like the Art School of Scientology.
It sure does...
Thank you for this helpful post.
@@NataciaPedreiro Thank you for watching!
I took a set of design and business courses that were a borderline scam. It was basically lots of design briefs with v little instruction and absolutely masses and masses of filler and repeat content. The people running it are very wealthy and their business model seems to be about selling art and ither dreams as a career possibility to everyone. I think quite a lot of art and business courses fall into this grey area. I rarely see anyone speak out against the course I did because they don't want to get blacklisted from the industry.
@@katec9893 I’m sorry to hear that. These business models are getting out of hand and definitely need to be controlled. I think people don’t speak out due to retaliation.
There is so much of this going on these days. I took one of these courses and thankfully it wasn't in the amount that you spent but it promised similar results about teaching you how to sell your art but all it really was was a beginner's course on how to build a portfolio and not a very detailed one at that. They even had students from that session be small group leaders so we didn't even have a working artist teaching us outside of the main videos and the small group part was an extra we paid for optionally! It was such a waste of time I didn't even get mad about the money - in fact I forgot I took it until I got an email about it a few weeks ago 🤣
@@infiniteanimationstudios 🤦🏾♀️ That’s the exact model this person followed. It was really other artists in the group that were helping each other and keeping the community going. He had one moderator but then she quit. He then hired 4 moderators but they had their own business to run so they couldn’t always help. It’s wild.
Sis you definitely have to tell me who because I was just about to sign up for one! 😳
@@Omiyinka You can send me an email or DM. I can’t say his name/course publicly for legal reasons.
If it’s Jaroid Henry please let me know!
@@kathleenkaleookalanismith8724 Yes it is
A refund in the first few months? Usually thats the expiration timeframe for GETTING refunds... and if its 2k? I better be enrolled in a college. Im sorry. That is wild. These guys are getting bold. It makes discord communities by artists, artist youtube videos with lineups of tips and tricks, feel much more comfrotable and approachable. Honestly i think some routes that are cheaper might be safer and hopefully a lot more successful. I love seeing the newer artists reaching out in discussion and getting resources left and right! Its great when you find those nooks and crannies. And discord is free!
@@Darklucariorox I totally agree with you. A lot of artists paid this guy almost $5k some as far as $10k and didn’t do what he promised. They are getting bold and the scary part is that they’re protecting themselves legally as well.
Thank you for sharing your experience
It's my pleasure.
Oh my goddddd I am on this same program and guaranteed the same art course on line!!
How do you know it’s the same one?
@@zoewhite7705 I am absolutely positive it’s the same one because of everything she just shared. All the details and all the red flags are the same. I am absolutely positive it’s the same person. I told the other artist in the group they should also do a video about him as well
I know what happened now and I’m sorry you all went through this. This guy is brutal. I wonder if the artists who vouched for him were in on the scam?
@@London-pc1wn thank you so so muchhh. So far a few of them have joined our side and have spoken out against him. There is one situation that bothers me more than anything else is a young woman who has autism and she is practically homeless. And I asked if they could please give her money back and they won’t even acknowledge her emails 😭
@@zoewhite7705 I recognize the entire story as my own. 😢
Wow just wow. Thank you for the warning. I was reading something on Reddit the other day and I think I know who you’re talking about 😮
@@Alasia369 If you saw it on Reddit then you’re absolutely correct.
this just happens online but happens with known institutes' well known. get your self in to debt you graduate and no jobs
@@joseavenia3634 I concur.
I know absolutely nothing about how much people are willing to spend these days on original works of art. If the people in the market are looking for investment in art as a way of dodging taxes or dodging the economic ups or downs or what.
Creating art is a time and material investment and that to me would be the starting point for how to appraise a work of art.
And it seems to me that getting it sold as quickly as possible is the best return on investment.
How would I, a no talent idiot sell my art?
I would collaborate with other artists, rent a venue and do some advertising and have an impromptu art gallery and sale, en masse...collectively.
All the costs of the event transparent, and the booking known to all...and having no event until a critical mass of artists and art was there to present. Then advertise it.
Then when people show up, let them haggle...andif more than two or three people want it, let them bid.
It is only worth as much as people are willing to pay for it.
I helped a friend sell her art at outdoor fairs and events, some were just for art. The ones who make the real money are the venues- renting out spaces. The second big money makers- the food trucks.
The economy is not good for sales now- so research any events or courses.
Thank you for sharing❤
@@Edlira861 It’s my pleasure.
There are many reputable art courses, but sales and marketing ppl always seem fishy
@@feenikss It’s unfortunate because learning sales and marketing are essential skillsets for artists.
Thanks For Sharing ❤
You are so welcome
Sorry this happened to you and the other artists. I need to know who so I’ll send you a DM soon.
@@London-pc1wn Yes, please do
It really doesn’t help if there really isn’t a way to learn who this is.
@@EverydaySubversive I understand but I have to protect myself legally. There’s plenty of people who’ve experienced this but can’t say anything publicly because of the contracts they’ve sign. I did mention I’ll share the information privately if you reach out.
She said in the video to contact her if you want to know who! What’s wrong with people.
I’ll say it. It’s Jaroid Henry. This guy did us dirty.
I just figured out who it is 😭
Reached out to email like u said in the video for the course name so I can avoid it.
@@mysterionz Thank you. I’ll respond shortly.
Paypal can give you some kind of protection to these digital scams.
@@elsevillaart Thank you 🙏🏾 . We’ve been trying through PayPal and our banks but so far one person has been successful.
I offer an online LIVE but extensive art program. Even though it's not your style of art i would REALLY love to interview you to talk about your experience. I'll be emailing you shortly & eagerly await your reply.
Thank you, I'll respond to the email shortly.
@@tarralu thank u 🙏 looking forward to it
I did to a false horse trainer who also hurt my horse due to her ignorance. Her advertisement was just a website she did for a college course. It was somisvky to realize she seemed to believe her stories and my horse had almost lost the end of her tongue which surely hurt her as well as how scared she had become to blow up being tied to short to a wall ring. Like some movie nightmare if you ask me. Horses do hurt themselves but I had a witness. Anyway. Such things and out perceptions need to be assessed and get objective and ….let it go….because I just learned that blockages are created by bad experiences like these and blockages shut us down…shut our creative flow. I have so many blockages by now I don’t know if our TH-cam tube friends with subliminals to help release them will ever ever be enough! And where does the outrage and anger go? Poison. So good of you to share. More and more things these days are scams. I find it heartbreking
Oh wow that's terrible. I hope that didn't traumatize you and your horse. I've learned the same about blockages shutting our creative flow while studying reiki. You know I've never resonated with binaural beats/subliminal messages. What helped me when it comes to releasing blockages is EFT tapping. Have you tried it before?
@@tarralu yes and no. Not professionally. Only diy. I didn’t concern myself with blockages at all. I was just trying to relax and be more balanced.
Sorry you got scammed. It happens. However…..900 x 2000= 1,800,000. So what if you start an online course…charge a decent amount and don’t scam. That would be a great way to earn an income. And even better certify it through a group of legitimate online artist. Hmmm….maybe it has been tried already idk.
I understand where you're coming from. I'm not against online courses per se but if you're going to charge that much at least operate with integrity and make sure it's worth that price. BTW he made more than that because we all paid different prices. Some paid 2,000, some 3,800, and the last round of artists paid $4,800 yet the information never changed. The ones who paid $4,800 paid for something outdated. He also charged 3 artists 10k and 2 of them admitted it was a ripoff and are now getting ready to sue him.
You might have missed what I was trying to say. I meant why don’t YOU start a legitimate business charging a fair amount for course. Thanks 🙏
@@christophercox936 My apologies. I misread what you said. You’re the 5th person who’ve suggested the same especially since I have a background in teaching. This is probably a sign that I should really consider this 🤔. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@tarralu😊 Yep.
Has anyone tried Mariah mlps print course to say if it’s legit?
Or can anyone share a list of legit art courses?
I’m so easily trusting and just want to grow my art business😭
I’ve never heard of this print course. I suggest looking it up on Reddit to see if anyone mentioned it.
🙏
Name and shame - others should not have to go through this
@@TheLisbethK Legally, publicly outing them is not the wisest thing to do especially since a contract was signed. That’s why I said if you contact me privately I’ll share more information.
Y'all really don't understand the law smh. Name and shame? LOL. That's NOT how it works.
I’ll do the shaming since I never signed anything. It’s Jaroid Henry.
References next time maybe?
@@christineschmidt1025 I understand why you want me to publicly name the person but I have to protect myself legally as well. I did the best I can by bringing awareness to this issue and provided a way to get in touch with me.
@@tarralui meant references of others who took the class but it seems like you tried ❤
@@christineschmidt1025 There’s another artist who posted a video about him. He flat out named the person because he didn’t sign anything. I’ll ask him for permission to see if I can post the link here.
It’s Jaroid Henry
I'm interested and wanted to watch your video, Tarru, but the constant clicking back and forth (I presumable when you edited stuff out?) causes a very jerky picture. As far as I@ve watched, *It's after every sentence* My eyes immediately began to react and now I have a headache.
This is a common problem for migraine and epilepsy sufferers, and a common problem on TH-cam. *For epileptics, and certain other brain conditions, it can provoke a fit.*
*Please will you bear this in mind while making future videos?* IT really shouldn't be necessary.
If there are typing errors in this, it's because I'm typing with one eye closed.
Thank you for the feedback. I'll make sure to keep this in mind going forward 🙂
Just heard a little about grammar mistakes, which I just not scam. If you are not aligned let him know and ask for a refund.
I don’t think she was saying it was a scam because of the grammar mistakes. It sounds like it was a red flag. And it seems as if she wasn’t able to get a refund, hence why she is sharing her story. Hopefully you’re not being triggered by her exposing this and are projecting. People like her are helping people like me to watch out for scammers.
@@ekaly23 I said the grammatical errors were a red flag, especially considering this was a course priced at $2000. But beyond that, I mentioned more serious concerns in the video. There are hundreds of artists in the same situation, requesting refunds, and he’s refusing to issue them.
If that’s all you heard then take the wax out your ears.
I need Coffeezilla to get on this guy immediately. I used to talk about the course grift but has moved on to crypto mostly. I honestly thought the course grift was dead.
@@AFineWar If you know how I can get in touch with him please let me know. The course grifting is still ongoing and they’re causing havoc in the art community.