I've 600+ hours on the game, still I discovered Shadowheart can't open the Selunite chest from your video and that's a really amazing detail ! TY, please make a part 2
My mom refers to him exclusively by imitating it instead of using a nickname like she does for everyone except him and Astarion. (Astarion is just Astarion. The names she gave the others are "Big Red," "Funny Yellow One," "Eat the Weak," "Horn Guy," and "Hamster Man" - she keeps forgetting Shadowheart, Halsin, and Jaheira exist, so they don't have names...)
The attention to detail is beautiful. Lesser games would have just used a generic male/female voice for the Bard insults, perhaps the Tav "default" for each gender, but not this game, they account for the player respecting a companion into a Bard and have their original voice actors voice the insults, just in case. It's so cool to see!
Barbarian scream Astarion: Let out his anger after 200 years of abuse - "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHRGH!" Barbarian scream Gale: Just don't want to wake up the neighbours - "Ah."
Yep. He's built perfectly to be the hero of the story but will always play second fiddle instead. I still find his character charming but I do think some of the more moral complexities from early access would have given him more flavour.
Thats funny you say that, i didnt know you could do a custom character and dark urge seemed edgy so my first playthrough i played as Wyll and it was really cool being recognized as the blade
The karlach original look was always a placeholder so not sure if it was really a redesign. They always called her a one horned tiefling but the original model never showed it
Did send bug report "quest says 1 horned tiefling but she has 2 intact horns" or smth like that .... i bet they read it and were like " if only you knew ;)" xD
Lmao, the cabbage guy killed me. Especially on his reaction to a monk. Because I created an Elemental monk, named Aang, who resembles the last airbender (as adult) :D
@@notubercharged Yeah, Astarion is a Shadow Monk/Swords Bard in my main playthrough. It's a weird combination optimized for out-of-combat utility and burglary, but he's fine in combat with the right equipment. And if I really want him to be combat-relevant, I temporarily respecc him Shadow Monk/Thief Rogue.
Yeah. I do love current Wyll, a lot, he’s one of if not my favourite, but I do wonder what his character might have been like in EA. I’ll confess, I didn’t play EA, so this is really interesting to see
@@Miles_PhantasmagoriaIt would be much more complex they did him dirty in my opinion much of his speech is missing and since he has less missions I cant tag him along most of the time in my first playthough since I barely have an idea when they are needed for quests. It sucks, you can be a genetleman with shadows at heart come on.
Is that what short hair on women means now? Cuz that seems kinda wrong and like it bullies women with short haircuts. I’ve had a pixie cut since I was like 13
@@starcrysis23 it was also because of her attitude at that point in the early access. Most characters would normally act hostile towards you at that time, but shadowheart imo was especially noisy and karen-like
Dame aylin when killing lorroikan one of aylin's responses can be "i feel a gripping in the chest as if I lost something" dialouge when breaking your oath says something a long the lines of "a spasm grips your chest an emptiness grows within you Paladin and you feel like you've lost something" so aylin could well have broken her Oath by killing lorrokan
@@Peleski true she did kill him when he was unarmed and defenseless though I don't know what oath that would break but that's implying she's an oath in game and not one from 5e or could be a whole homebrewed oath I do agree lorroakan was an asshat but it's an interesting topic as you said :) Oath of redemption in 5e talks of not killing unless it saves other lives lorroakan wasn't a threat to the greater populace Wisdom. Your heart and mind must stay clear, for eventually you will be forced to admit defeat. While every creature can be redeemed, some are so far along the path of evil that you have no choice but to end their lives for the greater good. Any such action must be carefully weighed and the consequences fully understood, but once you have made the decision, follow through with it knowing your path is just. I'd say lorroakan is an ass but not so much evil as greedy, he does an evil act sure abusing Rolan and trying to trap nightsong but compare him to orin or kethric who are both beyond redemption Would love your thoughts on that theory I like talking about game theories lol
@@kurtcobane1762Quite possibly, there's plenty of clues that Dame Aylin is out of control ("her anger will get the better of her" etc). And the way she pummels Keth's dead body and the Tav reaction to it. It's interesting that you brought this up. I was wondering what her Lorroakan speech was about and I think you're onto something. Possibly the devs didn't quite flesh the story out. They may have had plans to make her into a fallen paladin
Except at the final fight she still does radiant damage with her divine strikes so she isn’t an oath breaker so unless in the time span between leaving with Isobel and coming back to fight the Brain she bribed the oath breaker knight then she never broke it
I do find Wyll's original story potentially more interesting, but I get why they changed it. EA Wyll was Machiavellian at times. He seemed to perform heroic actions out of a desire for prestige more than a desire to do good, was constantly bragging about himself, and most of his actions were self-serving either to himself or his image as the great hero. That explains why he was such a terrible Flaming Fist and why he was willing to torture a man for information in the goblin camp when nobody was watching, but laid on the big hero persona thickly while around the tieflings and the party at the start of the game. Even his pact with Mizora was made for selfish reasons, not out of a desire to help anyone. The developers wanted there to be some good-aligned companions in the game for variety, but "good" doesn't have to mean morally perfect. I feel like the developers could have struck a balance between the two versions where he retained some of his Machiavellian characteristics without outright being Machiavelli's prince. Then again, given that launch gave us an unambiguously good-aligned companion in Karlach, the developers changed Gale's personality to make him less manipulative (there's still a little bit of manipulation at the beginning when wants you to give him magic items, but in EA he was manipulative in practically everything he did, including getting the PC to sleep with him), and they slightly tweaked Lae'zel's personality to make her less hostile, I'm not even sure that would have been necessary. Old Wyll would have worked in this group without making it feel like you were surrounded by nothing but jerks.
Honestly I think early on Gale is just true neutral - he's not evil but his concerns are pretty self-centred. With Wyll I think his EA personality would have been too similar to some of the other ones. I think the main issue is that he doesn't choose his own fate later on (with regards to the second contract). And his sidequest has almost nothing to do with him personally.
@@spectralassassin6030 I suppose that I must be more critical then. Gale is an overprivileged smartass, who will do anything to get what he wants, and thinks he is gorgeous. Wyll is a goody 2 shoes, who made a pact with a devil just to impress daddy. Why or how Karlach can find any redeeming features in him is beyond me. But she is such a naieve sweetheart, I suppose that is the reason.
In addition to the Geralt reference, there's also a Critical Role / Legend of Vox Machina reference in the Elfsong Tavern. A gnome cleric with white hair named Guisarme (a type of pike) and her bald barbarian friend are chilling at one of the tables along the walls.
@@loadishstone There's a big difference between someone who's pretty much straightforwardly an asshole like Lae'zel or Astarion, or is an otherwise normal person stuck in a cult like Shadowheart, and someone who talks a big game about being a hero while not living up to their own standard, i.e. hypocrisy.
@@loadishstone To be fair, treatment towards Wyll hasn't been any better regardless. Its just that now people can't be vitriolic because he's an asshole so they just constantly write him off as boring
@GlitchyPixExtra its always like that though. Even in the Mass Effect series Jacob (black guy) is the most hated companion even though other companions also had flaws some worse than others. Difference between Wyll and Jacob is what you said. Since they cant call Wyll an asshole they just call him boring. Mass Effect developers kept his asshole traits (like other companions) and people just clung to that as the reason they didnt likr Jacob
@@GlitchyPixExtra Wyll is my "canon" play through. I play him as a prideful arrogant guy who is in it for the fame. Then he starts to become a real hero
@@pakman5391I mean you do you but that’s just straight up wrong for his character just knowing his lore from before the game starts immediately disproves that, not to mention leaving your group if you destroy the grove also disproves that he’s 100% just a good person and in the companion group it’s nice to have at least one just straight up good option there’s literally nothing wrong with that.
That whole not sleeping thing is also why Priestess Gut just throws a Bitch Fit and starts Initiative when you drink the Potion of Sleep while playing as a Half-Elf/Elf Tav.
The way I "read" the Shadowheart Selunite scripture thing was that it needs to be said out loud for it to open and Shadowheart refuses to do that. But that's just my take.
Karlach's Rage Scream, specifically the second one you showed, gives me chills EVERY TIME I hear it. Samantha Béart is amazing and I love every bit of her as Karlach.
I was so confused when I had a teddy bear named Clive in my inventory. I kept it with me at all times because I assumed it was a quest item I randomly picked up before getting the quest. I must have accidentally taken it from Karlach when I talked to her.
Half elves don't trance, just full elves (which includes Drow). You can see Shadowheart in your video not doing it while you're talking about it and she's a half elf. Fun vid tho!
@@CCrittsIt was probably changed because of cutscenes of tav/durge/astarion being woken up, they would have to make seperate cutscenes for the meditating characters just to make it look right.
In Rivington there's also a second broken cart with cabbages but with nobody around. So it looks like the cabbage vendor has just as much bad luck as in the series.
1:30 Honestly I'm one of the people who liked his original storyline better. It was interesting, and added a lot of good complexity to his character. He wasn't simply a nice (if a little bland) guy who made a poorly considered deal with a devil, he was a more fleshed out, complex person who wanted to be a hero but struggled with his overwhelming desire for revenge. Imho dealing with internal struggles like that just offers more for a character than making a bad decision. Though, maybe that's a result of changing his character and story so significantly so late in development.
And Wylls stance on Goblins in early access really gave you an incentive to bring him along to the goblin camp, for some cool interactions. In release i didnt find so many interactions with him and the goblins unfortunately.
@@CCritts Yeah, those scenes cemented him as my second pick for both the EA Act 1 party and romance. Slowly revealing that he wasn't as close to his ideal of being a hero as he'd like, and actually standing up to the player character even if you successfully persuade him to leave the goblins alone? Amazing. Yes please, I like my companions complicated, thorny, and opinionated. Theorising about where his story would go and what his relationship with Mizora was supposed to be was fun, even with Astarion being my first pick for everything it was Wyll's arc that I had the most interest in. I stopped playing early access and blocked news about BG3 (before the rewrite happened) to avoid the kind of early access fatigue I can get with some games, so finding out about it through not seeing any of those scenes on release day *sucked.* He went from one of my favourites to a background character in his own questline. Even if they add more to him in the future, he's not the same character I was interested in and I'm still salty about that.
I was so excited for Wyll's ''Hero's Journey''! A guy who calls himself a hero but at the same time does not commit good acts only out of pure heart but also of the desire to be viewed as a hero. Really realistic and complex approach. People do this in real life too. We do something good but deep inside we just want to get praised for doing something good. Really wanted him to eventually learn what it means to become a TRUE HERO. Also his ''pride'' and accent in EA made me like him even more. He was really ''posh'' in my opinion.
i actually changed astarion to barb fighter (was still learning to play couldn't figure out rogue) and i found it made sense as he got progressively angrier towards cazador the stronger we got
I don’t think is his story that’s the problem, it’s the voice acting. Compared to everyone else in your camp, they add emotions to their dialogue which makes them a more enjoyable character to listen to, it feels like Wylls voice actor is just reading the script. Throughout his story, his voice doesn’t change. No matter the circumstances his in. He’ll give some emotion here and there but then he reverts back to just reading his script.
@@loadishstone I don’t think it was the dialogue that was bad. His dialogue was excellent. I just never felt like he wasn’t behind it. The love in portraying Wyll was non existent. When I listened to his dialogue, I felt like I was reading it out loud.
A wizard barbarian is lowkey terrifying. Imagine thinking you have disarmed a wizard by taking his focus or reagent pouch for him to just rage and beat you to a pulp.
I could be wrong, but I think I noticed that the specific barbarian scream each character uses also depends on which specific subclass they are. I notice that when Karlach had a different scream when I played her as a Berserker versus Wild Heart build.
Karlach has of course great barbarian screams, but a nice surprise was Astarion. And man, the Monk interaction with the cabbage guy, hahhahahahaahahaha
Should've shown the Rage roars from the non-Origin companions. Minsc's roar in particular is very badass. But holy shit I had no fucking idea Geezer Loryss had a different reaction if your character is a monk, to reference Aang.
I have another one for you: In Baldurs Gate (the city) there is a woman not far from the undercity. She hums the „Outlander“-Song „Skye Boat song“ saying, it sticks in her head. And I thing she wears Clairs clothes from the episode where Clair goes from town to town in mans-cloths to sing and find missing jamie. I love all these eastereggs so much!
Unique barbarian screams but even better imo is each actor recorded the insults for bard's vicious mockery. My first playthrough was with a rogue so made Astarion a bard.
I'm very glad they changed Karlach's original design. It's far more believable that the golden retriever looks like that tank of a barbarian after 10 years fighting in the Hells, rather than a small gal with no visible scars or alterations.
Man EA wyll is far more interesting than current Wyll. I honestly found him the least interesting to the point I killed him on my first run when he ambushed Karlach and me at night. Thought he was just another one of Karlach’s pursuers considering how the “paladins of tyr” ended up.
the info on how BG3 changed from EA to Full Release is quite interesting. you could definitely cover how the dream visitor is implied to be your tadpole in EA, whereas in the full release it's something else entirely
I would be more interested in Wyll if he’s actually trying to be a good person but struggles instead of being purely a good person who sacrifices himself.
7:23 Honestly What first came to mind was Sheogorath from the Elder Scrolls Series since he is often depicted with Grey Hair, a beard, and wearing purple. But yeah I guess Geralt probably makes more sense given the location.
Wow, I've seen so many BG3 videos but the facts presented here are completely new and surprising, especially rage screams! The amount of details in the game is just mind-blowing!
The only reason why I like new Wyll better is because every single time EA Wyll talked I wanted to throw him off a cliff, while he was inside a chest, in pieces and on fire.
Ty for the cabbage one! I never found it and I love avatar! I remember recording the original episodes on vhs haha! Definitely will have to look out for him on my next run!
I've always been conflicted about Wyll's characterization change. In general I prefer more morally ambiguous and flawd characters, but the party as a whole in early access leaned heavily on ambiguous (understandable since they were all playable and could make "good/evil" choices), so having a more classical hero archetype made the party feel more balanced.
Oh my god I didn't even know original wyll had a different backstory. From just a few words that he said the original version feels so much more compelling.
Dude thats a tradgedy that wyll got changed like that. I think its way more interesting that he isnt perfect and hes capable of being evil. And the fact that he had a connection to the goblins is really cool. He got shafted so hard
funfact about the trancing in BG3, during the EA, the elven characters (tav and astarion) would sit cross-legged on their bedrolls with their hands doing the typical trance pose. idk why they changed that for launch when the cross-legged animation was cool.
5:52 I found this area quite funny because my mate and lazel got to the chest before shadowheart and I did so he said maybe just wait back because it said something about selune so I did and after he completely loots the area I jumped over there with shadowheart and she said bunch of stuff but requested if we can just not loot the chest, so I said okay I promise *I* won’t loot the chest and she was very happy about that and mate and I laughed.
Hey! I found another one! In the act 3, when you visit a cemetry, on one of the graves there is going to be written "Open the bloody gate!!!" Which obviously refers to Aradin as a joke😅
5:44 in a similar vein, if you're a cleric of selune, or use a mod that allows you to select a god to follow in character creation, you can instantly open the chest without finding the scripture
Im one of the few who really doesn't care for full release Karlach's appearance change. I installed the mod that reverts her back to her early access face because I like it so much more
If I remember correctly, they did want Wyll to always be the heroic archetype. The only problem is that his tendencies are so dark upon introduction that too many people thought he's incapable of true heroism. The Wyll we have now is someone I consider a true paragon. But I do miss Wyll from Early Access. He was someone I deem an insecure human and there's so many interactions with him so early in the game that it's easy to find him endearing. However, I do get the impression that his heroism was, for lack of a better word, "bullshit" from how he speaks and acts parallel to you. He was someone who would embrace the Illithid powers. In fact, I find it so cool that you get an interaction where everyone in the party confronts Wyll for using Illithid powers. Not your decision, but his. You also get dialogues to say about his carelessness and eagerness to do something reckless. That, I think, makes sense for someone who would unkowingly become a Warlock.
Astarion was a teifling during development, so he did change dramatically, which would make more sense as to why your party couldnt realize he was vampire right away as teiflings have fangs and colored eyes, so it would have been much more of a surprise.
The individual Barbarian screams are cool. I find it even cooler that each character also has their own recordings of spell incantations, including dozens of "Vicious Mockery" insults (including NPCs. Aunty Ethel even has her own custom insults!). I also like that your spellcasting animation is different depending on the class you're playing, since the different casters draw their power from different sources. And your weapon attack animations and climbing animations depend on your race. Elves are more graceful then humans. Halflings and Gnomes are shorter so they have to adapt to the larger ledges and weapons.
Half-elves actually do not go into the trance, that’s exclusively an elf/drow thing, even in game. Another cool fact about the trance is that it allows them to near-perfectly recall any memory they have while in their trance. Like they’re tidying up their “mind palace” Edit: accidentally said “elves” instead of “half-elves”
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Yes please
Yes!
I've 600+ hours on the game, still I discovered Shadowheart can't open the Selunite chest from your video and that's a really amazing detail ! TY, please make a part 2
@@B2bAlive the communty helps alot when making these videos, part 2 us soon underway
I love how most characters scream AAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!! when they rage, but Gale exclaims ah!
They didn’t show Shadowhearts rage scream, but she sounds like she is letting out 60 years of pent up pain and anger in her scream
Hes not built for physical violence bless him
@@elenalizabethbut they did?
@@toxicron9842 I didn’t hear her angry scream so I must’ve missed it. Time stamp?
@@elenalizabeth its the first rage they showed
Gale's barbarian scream is in lowercase
Hey now, he did his best
Nerd rage
My mom refers to him exclusively by imitating it instead of using a nickname like she does for everyone except him and Astarion. (Astarion is just Astarion. The names she gave the others are "Big Red," "Funny Yellow One," "Eat the Weak," "Horn Guy," and "Hamster Man" - she keeps forgetting Shadowheart, Halsin, and Jaheira exist, so they don't have names...)
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Why is this the funniest comment I read today?
Gale screams like he realised his library book is overdue
Not just the barbarian screams . . . all the companions have their own voiced 100+ Bard Insults!
Irespeced Karlach to monk in one playthrough. I love listening to her "ki-aye!" when i chuck something 😅
Respeccing Shadowheart into a bard so she can call our enemies "cuck".
The attention to detail is beautiful. Lesser games would have just used a generic male/female voice for the Bard insults, perhaps the Tav "default" for each gender, but not this game, they account for the player respecting a companion into a Bard and have their original voice actors voice the insults, just in case. It's so cool to see!
Barbarian scream Astarion: Let out his anger after 200 years of abuse - "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHRGH!"
Barbarian scream Gale: Just don't want to wake up the neighbours - "Ah."
I feel like we need a spoof of R. Lee Ermey from Full Metal Jacket "Let me see your war face"
@@TearDownGenesisI'm gonna make that.
To me the issue with "New Wyll" is that he's a fantastic protagonist, but sadly, I, am the protagonist.
And if you play as him you don't get to hear his voice lines
Yep. He's built perfectly to be the hero of the story but will always play second fiddle instead. I still find his character charming but I do think some of the more moral complexities from early access would have given him more flavour.
Thats funny you say that, i didnt know you could do a custom character and dark urge seemed edgy so my first playthrough i played as Wyll and it was really cool being recognized as the blade
Damn straight
@@Cassandra_Solidor unfortunately people bitched about moral complexities and Larian decided to just take them away completely. for some reason.
The karlach original look was always a placeholder so not sure if it was really a redesign. They always called her a one horned tiefling but the original model never showed it
Did send bug report "quest says 1 horned tiefling but she has 2 intact horns" or smth like that .... i bet they read it and were like " if only you knew ;)" xD
@@Gamer9o "if only you knew we were crafting the best buff mommy in the game."
@@PotteryOfGreed mama K!
yep. it was a placeholder. multiple characters had that face
@@t.t6294that didnt stop some random "reporter" from writing up a nice little article about white washing
Lmao, the cabbage guy killed me. Especially on his reaction to a monk. Because I created an Elemental monk, named Aang, who resembles the last airbender (as adult) :D
you my friend, are one of the real ones
MOAR! The cabbage vendor gets an extra dialogue if youre a monk, and also all origin characters have special vicious mockery lines if they're bards
If you don't multiclass Astarion with bard, I can't I just can't /j
Don't forget, auntie Ethel also has unique vicious mockery lines for each character.
Is this a Avatar reference?
@@notubercharged Yeah, Astarion is a Shadow Monk/Swords Bard in my main playthrough.
It's a weird combination optimized for out-of-combat utility and burglary, but he's fine in combat with the right equipment.
And if I really want him to be combat-relevant, I temporarily respecc him Shadow Monk/Thief Rogue.
Cabbage merchant? WHERE?? I’m totally not gonna throw fireball at it
Wyll being a bad day away from being out right evil while having Mizora in his ear would’ve been a fun character story
Yeah. I do love current Wyll, a lot, he’s one of if not my favourite, but I do wonder what his character might have been like in EA. I’ll confess, I didn’t play EA, so this is really interesting to see
@@Miles_PhantasmagoriaIt would be much more complex they did him dirty in my opinion much of his speech is missing and since he has less missions I cant tag him along most of the time in my first playthough since I barely have an idea when they are needed for quests. It sucks, you can be a genetleman with shadows at heart come on.
@exosproudmamabear558 I mean yeah, wholly agree on that front
I love Shadowheart's rage scream. Jennifer did such an amazing job voice acting SH, along with all the other talented actors in this game
i actually found her second scream quite badass infact
Hers and Astarion's are really good.
@@sigilbreaker2628 Minthara's too
I always reclass her into a barbarian for her badass screams, I love it
community update 3 Shart looks like shes gonna walk into the goblin camp and ask to see the manager
Is that what short hair on women means now? Cuz that seems kinda wrong and like it bullies women with short haircuts. I’ve had a pixie cut since I was like 13
@@starcrysis23 you sound like you're about to ask to see the manager so you're not really helping
@@starcrysis23 it was also because of her attitude at that point in the early access. Most characters would normally act hostile towards you at that time, but shadowheart imo was especially noisy and karen-like
@@starcrysis23 Everyone accepts bullying women. It sucks, but its better u dont complain or people are just gonna make fun of you more.
I wanted to help the cabbage merchant pick up his cabbages so i started moving them back into his box and he really did NOT appreciate that.
I haven't watched Avatar so I had no idea why this man so angry at me for being a monk. Finally, the mystery is solved.
Gales barbarian scream sounds like Tara ate one of his scrolls.
Dame aylin when killing lorroikan one of aylin's responses can be "i feel a gripping in the chest as if I lost something"
dialouge when breaking your oath says something a long the lines of "a spasm grips your chest an emptiness grows within you Paladin and you feel like you've lost something"
so aylin could well have broken her Oath by killing lorrokan
I think that's interesting, but I can't imagine what oath she'd broken. Guy was a brute
@@Peleski true she did kill him when he was unarmed and defenseless though I don't know what oath that would break but that's implying she's an oath in game and not one from 5e or could be a whole homebrewed oath I do agree lorroakan was an asshat but it's an interesting topic as you said :)
Oath of redemption in 5e talks of not killing unless it saves other lives lorroakan wasn't a threat to the greater populace
Wisdom. Your heart and mind must stay clear, for eventually you will be forced to admit defeat. While every creature can be redeemed, some are so far along the path of evil that you have no choice but to end their lives for the greater good. Any such action must be carefully weighed and the consequences fully understood, but once you have made the decision, follow through with it knowing your path is just.
I'd say lorroakan is an ass but not so much evil as greedy, he does an evil act sure abusing Rolan and trying to trap nightsong but compare him to orin or kethric who are both beyond redemption
Would love your thoughts on that theory I like talking about game theories lol
@@kurtcobane1762Quite possibly, there's plenty of clues that Dame Aylin is out of control ("her anger will get the better of her" etc). And the way she pummels Keth's dead body and the Tav reaction to it. It's interesting that you brought this up. I was wondering what her Lorroakan speech was about and I think you're onto something. Possibly the devs didn't quite flesh the story out. They may have had plans to make her into a fallen paladin
Except at the final fight she still does radiant damage with her divine strikes so she isn’t an oath breaker so unless in the time span between leaving with Isobel and coming back to fight the Brain she bribed the oath breaker knight then she never broke it
@@chainsawboy2388 And oathbreaker doesn't get divine smite in bg3?
I'm glad Karlach model was revamped, she looks so much better as a barbarian now
I do find Wyll's original story potentially more interesting, but I get why they changed it. EA Wyll was Machiavellian at times. He seemed to perform heroic actions out of a desire for prestige more than a desire to do good, was constantly bragging about himself, and most of his actions were self-serving either to himself or his image as the great hero. That explains why he was such a terrible Flaming Fist and why he was willing to torture a man for information in the goblin camp when nobody was watching, but laid on the big hero persona thickly while around the tieflings and the party at the start of the game. Even his pact with Mizora was made for selfish reasons, not out of a desire to help anyone. The developers wanted there to be some good-aligned companions in the game for variety, but "good" doesn't have to mean morally perfect. I feel like the developers could have struck a balance between the two versions where he retained some of his Machiavellian characteristics without outright being Machiavelli's prince.
Then again, given that launch gave us an unambiguously good-aligned companion in Karlach, the developers changed Gale's personality to make him less manipulative (there's still a little bit of manipulation at the beginning when wants you to give him magic items, but in EA he was manipulative in practically everything he did, including getting the PC to sleep with him), and they slightly tweaked Lae'zel's personality to make her less hostile, I'm not even sure that would have been necessary. Old Wyll would have worked in this group without making it feel like you were surrounded by nothing but jerks.
Oh yeah. I remember playing the ea and thinking, "God, these people are awful." I'm glad they changed most of them.
Honestly I think early on Gale is just true neutral - he's not evil but his concerns are pretty self-centred.
With Wyll I think his EA personality would have been too similar to some of the other ones. I think the main issue is that he doesn't choose his own fate later on (with regards to the second contract). And his sidequest has almost nothing to do with him personally.
I still think that both Gale and Wyll are self serving jerks, and try not to take them along, if practical.
@@Jules_Diplopia Not really. Not anymore at least. Gale is more neutral good and Wyll is straight up good.
@@spectralassassin6030 I suppose that I must be more critical then.
Gale is an overprivileged smartass, who will do anything to get what he wants, and thinks he is gorgeous.
Wyll is a goody 2 shoes, who made a pact with a devil just to impress daddy. Why or how Karlach can find any redeeming features in him is beyond me. But she is such a naieve sweetheart, I suppose that is the reason.
Everyone: AAAAAA
Gale: aaaaa
In addition to the Geralt reference, there's also a Critical Role / Legend of Vox Machina reference in the Elfsong Tavern. A gnome cleric with white hair named Guisarme (a type of pike) and her bald barbarian friend are chilling at one of the tables along the walls.
ooh i was looking for that one but seached in Sharess Caress instead of the right tavern. Thank you for the tip
Really wish Wyll would have stayed so flawed. Would have been a great challenge to get him to calm down and not be so angry
@@loadishstone There's a big difference between someone who's pretty much straightforwardly an asshole like Lae'zel or Astarion, or is an otherwise normal person stuck in a cult like Shadowheart, and someone who talks a big game about being a hero while not living up to their own standard, i.e. hypocrisy.
@@loadishstone To be fair, treatment towards Wyll hasn't been any better regardless. Its just that now people can't be vitriolic because he's an asshole so they just constantly write him off as boring
@GlitchyPixExtra its always like that though. Even in the Mass Effect series Jacob (black guy) is the most hated companion even though other companions also had flaws some worse than others. Difference between Wyll and Jacob is what you said. Since they cant call Wyll an asshole they just call him boring. Mass Effect developers kept his asshole traits (like other companions) and people just clung to that as the reason they didnt likr Jacob
@@GlitchyPixExtra Wyll is my "canon" play through. I play him as a prideful arrogant guy who is in it for the fame. Then he starts to become a real hero
@@pakman5391I mean you do you but that’s just straight up wrong for his character just knowing his lore from before the game starts immediately disproves that, not to mention leaving your group if you destroy the grove also disproves that he’s 100% just a good person and in the companion group it’s nice to have at least one just straight up good option there’s literally nothing wrong with that.
That whole not sleeping thing is also why Priestess Gut just throws a Bitch Fit and starts Initiative when you drink the Potion of Sleep while playing as a Half-Elf/Elf Tav.
Wow never occured to me that interaction. Good spotting
The way I "read" the Shadowheart Selunite scripture thing was that it needs to be said out loud for it to open and Shadowheart refuses to do that. But that's just my take.
thats exactly what I thought too!
Karlach's Rage Scream, specifically the second one you showed, gives me chills EVERY TIME I hear it. Samantha Béart is amazing and I love every bit of her as Karlach.
I was so confused when I had a teddy bear named Clive in my inventory. I kept it with me at all times because I assumed it was a quest item I randomly picked up before getting the quest. I must have accidentally taken it from Karlach when I talked to her.
I took it by mistake and spent a few good minutes to put it back where it was because Karlack needs her teddy bear.
Half elves don't trance, just full elves (which includes Drow). You can see Shadowheart in your video not doing it while you're talking about it and she's a half elf. Fun vid tho!
Half-elf player characters do actually trance - at least, mine does. But you are right that in the lore, they don't actually trance.
youre right, my character in that video was an elf, and when i made a half elve he didnt do the pose. Good looking out
@@CCritts That's odd. My half-elf does do it.
@@Resi1ience im a dumbass i had a drow lol
My Half elf also does it but maybe they have to be Wood half elfs
to add to the elf trance fact. in Early Acess elves used to meditate on top of their bedrolls when the sleeping cutscene played
damn that sounds alot cooler actually
@@CCrittsIt was probably changed because of cutscenes of tav/durge/astarion being woken up, they would have to make seperate cutscenes for the meditating characters just to make it look right.
When Astarion sleeps hes slightly hovering over the bed roll. So it looks like its still there unless you mean something else?
@@LadyAbstract in early acess elves straight up did the meditation pose instead of laying down
In Rivington there's also a second broken cart with cabbages but with nobody around. So it looks like the cabbage vendor has just as much bad luck as in the series.
Hard to imagine Wyll believing that Duke Ravenguard can't actually spell :P
that's actually a great point, wow.
Wyll with a Y and without an “i” 😂 (yes I did laugh at my own bad pun)
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Honestly I'm one of the people who liked his original storyline better. It was interesting, and added a lot of good complexity to his character. He wasn't simply a nice (if a little bland) guy who made a poorly considered deal with a devil, he was a more fleshed out, complex person who wanted to be a hero but struggled with his overwhelming desire for revenge.
Imho dealing with internal struggles like that just offers more for a character than making a bad decision. Though, maybe that's a result of changing his character and story so significantly so late in development.
And Wylls stance on Goblins in early access really gave you an incentive to bring him along to the goblin camp, for some cool interactions. In release i didnt find so many interactions with him and the goblins unfortunately.
@@CCritts
Yeah, those scenes cemented him as my second pick for both the EA Act 1 party and romance. Slowly revealing that he wasn't as close to his ideal of being a hero as he'd like, and actually standing up to the player character even if you successfully persuade him to leave the goblins alone? Amazing. Yes please, I like my companions complicated, thorny, and opinionated. Theorising about where his story would go and what his relationship with Mizora was supposed to be was fun, even with Astarion being my first pick for everything it was Wyll's arc that I had the most interest in.
I stopped playing early access and blocked news about BG3 (before the rewrite happened) to avoid the kind of early access fatigue I can get with some games, so finding out about it through not seeing any of those scenes on release day *sucked.* He went from one of my favourites to a background character in his own questline. Even if they add more to him in the future, he's not the same character I was interested in and I'm still salty about that.
I was so excited for Wyll's ''Hero's Journey''! A guy who calls himself a hero but at the same time does not commit good acts only out of pure heart but also of the desire to be viewed as a hero. Really realistic and complex approach. People do this in real life too. We do something good but deep inside we just want to get praised for doing something good. Really wanted him to eventually learn what it means to become a TRUE HERO. Also his ''pride'' and accent in EA made me like him even more. He was really ''posh'' in my opinion.
Gale is soooo angry he switches his staff to the other hand
I love how the animation of the game release knew that astarion was perfect
Gale rage screaming was the cutest thing in this vid
i actually changed astarion to barb fighter (was still learning to play couldn't figure out rogue) and i found it made sense as he got progressively angrier towards cazador the stronger we got
I wonder if the early access story of Wyll would have been more interesting than the one we got in the final version to be perfectly honest.
I don’t think is his story that’s the problem, it’s the voice acting. Compared to everyone else in your camp, they add emotions to their dialogue which makes them a more enjoyable character to listen to, it feels like Wylls voice actor is just reading the script. Throughout his story, his voice doesn’t change. No matter the circumstances his in. He’ll give some emotion here and there but then he reverts back to just reading his script.
@@ervinsobased4055 Could it be both? cause I never felt that there was anything remarkable about either
@@loadishstone I don’t think it was the dialogue that was bad. His dialogue was excellent. I just never felt like he wasn’t behind it. The love in portraying Wyll was non existent. When I listened to his dialogue, I felt like I was reading it out loud.
"Astarion is one of the companions who got changed the least."
Smash cut to when Astarion was a Tiefling.
A wizard barbarian is lowkey terrifying. Imagine thinking you have disarmed a wizard by taking his focus or reagent pouch for him to just rage and beat you to a pulp.
I could be wrong, but I think I noticed that the specific barbarian scream each character uses also depends on which specific subclass they are. I notice that when Karlach had a different scream when I played her as a Berserker versus Wild Heart build.
interesting, i might test this out
Karlach's EA model was essentially a placeholder as the tall female bodytype (along with her unique looks) wasnt added to EA from the getgo
1:51 Old Wyll seemed like a faker to me. I was actually pleasantly surprised when he turned out to be genuine.
I definitely would NOT have piped Karlach if she looked the way she did in early access. Mama K had a SERIOUS glow up
Am I the only one who wises they kept Wyll the way he was? He's the blandest companion for me..
Karlach has of course great barbarian screams, but a nice surprise was Astarion.
And man, the Monk interaction with the cabbage guy, hahhahahahaahahaha
I can be Aang not just the four elements Monk , but they recognize I have carnage man lol
Should've shown the Rage roars from the non-Origin companions. Minsc's roar in particular is very badass. But holy shit I had no fucking idea Geezer Loryss had a different reaction if your character is a monk, to reference Aang.
I have another one for you: In Baldurs Gate (the city) there is a woman not far from the undercity. She hums the „Outlander“-Song „Skye Boat song“ saying, it sticks in her head. And I thing she wears Clairs clothes from the episode where Clair goes from town to town in mans-cloths to sing and find missing jamie. I love all these eastereggs so much!
Where do you find this?
@@geekygatorette near the House of Grief I suppose
I'd love to see more videos like this. I was never around for Early Access so its interesting to see what's changed
There's a mod that restores Karlach's early access head updated with cool datamined scars. I absolutely love it.
Unique barbarian screams but even better imo is each actor recorded the insults for bard's vicious mockery. My first playthrough was with a rogue so made Astarion a bard.
I'm very glad they changed Karlach's original design. It's far more believable that the golden retriever looks like that tank of a barbarian after 10 years fighting in the Hells, rather than a small gal with no visible scars or alterations.
She did start out as a bodyguard, so she probably was muscular even before Zariel.
The rat stick omfg I love it’s always sunny 😂
You should see the video it's always sunny in baldur's gate then, it's hilarious
Edit: my bad it's called Frank Reynolds in baldur's gate
I find it funny how elves and half elves can meditate instead of sleep, but shadowheart just sleeps lol
Only elves, not half-elves. Shadowheart is the latter. Astarion, who's a full elf, meditates.
Halsin also does the meditation pose like Astarion, but half-elves like Jaheira and Shadowheart just sleep as they are half human.
@@elenalizabeth So full blooded elves and Tav half elves can do the pose gotcha
My Tav half-elf just sleeps normally
Gale needing to be rescued in his intro instead of successfully portalling himself like in EA fits his character being a screw up
You gotta feel bad for Cabbage Man. Omashu, Ba Sing-Se, and now Baldur’s Gate. Poor guy can’t catch a break.
Man EA wyll is far more interesting than current Wyll. I honestly found him the least interesting to the point I killed him on my first run when he ambushed Karlach and me at night. Thought he was just another one of Karlach’s pursuers considering how the “paladins of tyr” ended up.
Half elves are very specifically not supposed to enter the elven trance, only full elves should
the info on how BG3 changed from EA to Full Release is quite interesting. you could definitely cover how the dream visitor is implied to be your tadpole in EA, whereas in the full release it's something else entirely
I would be more interested in Wyll if he’s actually trying to be a good person but struggles instead of being purely a good person who sacrifices himself.
1:00 he was already perfekt :')
7:23 Honestly What first came to mind was Sheogorath from the Elder Scrolls Series since he is often depicted with Grey Hair, a beard, and wearing purple. But yeah I guess Geralt probably makes more sense given the location.
The cabbage man having extra dialogue if you’re a monk is now my favorite video game easter egg of all time 😂
Wow, I've seen so many BG3 videos but the facts presented here are completely new and surprising, especially rage screams! The amount of details in the game is just mind-blowing!
The only reason why I like new Wyll better is because every single time EA Wyll talked I wanted to throw him off a cliff, while he was inside a chest, in pieces and on fire.
In act 2 you can find a letter in the shadow cursed lands signed by Dandelion
SMH we were robbed of wyll’s back story
Ty for the cabbage one! I never found it and I love avatar! I remember recording the original episodes on vhs haha! Definitely will have to look out for him on my next run!
Glad they changed Karlach. She now actually looks like she can wield a great weapon with ease.
I've always been conflicted about Wyll's characterization change. In general I prefer more morally ambiguous and flawd characters, but the party as a whole in early access leaned heavily on ambiguous (understandable since they were all playable and could make "good/evil" choices), so having a more classical hero archetype made the party feel more balanced.
gales scream gives “Rawr :3”
Gale sounds like he's trying to be polite, and Astarion sounds like he's playing with his young neices and nephews. Thats just funny as hell to me.
Oh my god I didn't even know original wyll had a different backstory. From just a few words that he said the original version feels so much more compelling.
gale's rage scream sounds exactly like he stubbed his toe or suffered a very minor inconvenience
I didn't know they would be sweating in the hot areas. That's pretty interesting all the stuff they have put in this game.
Dude thats a tradgedy that wyll got changed like that. I think its way more interesting that he isnt perfect and hes capable of being evil. And the fact that he had a connection to the goblins is really cool. He got shafted so hard
I completely forgot about Wyll’s eye 😂
funfact about the trancing in BG3, during the EA, the elven characters (tav and astarion) would sit cross-legged on their bedrolls with their hands doing the typical trance pose. idk why they changed that for launch when the cross-legged animation was cool.
5:52 I found this area quite funny because my mate and lazel got to the chest before shadowheart and I did so he said maybe just wait back because it said something about selune so I did and after he completely loots the area I jumped over there with shadowheart and she said bunch of stuff but requested if we can just not loot the chest, so I said okay I promise *I* won’t loot the chest and she was very happy about that and mate and I laughed.
Actually the sleeping fact was very useful, I was wondering why my buff, mustached half-elf cleric was sleeping like a precious princess lmao
Hey! I found another one! In the act 3, when you visit a cemetry, on one of the graves there is going to be written "Open the bloody gate!!!" Which obviously refers to Aradin as a joke😅
I really like the original Karlach visual. Wish they had kept that.
The elf/half elf sleep thing is kinda funny when you realize that shadowheart is a half elf and shes just sleeping like a normal person
The barbarian screams are great.
Gales is hilarious (obivously), but Halsin's is *awesome*; like, probably the best one in the game
5:44 in a similar vein, if you're a cleric of selune, or use a mod that allows you to select a god to follow in character creation, you can instantly open the chest without finding the scripture
Im one of the few who really doesn't care for full release Karlach's appearance change. I installed the mod that reverts her back to her early access face because I like it so much more
Very calming, interesting video. Loved it
This is amazing ♡
The karlach one toom me by suprise i gotta say that shocked me
Shadowheart rage scream is adorable
Imagine face of Gale's voice actor when they asked him to record barbaric rage scream😂
I love how Astarions EA outfit circled back for his epilogue get up.
If I remember correctly, they did want Wyll to always be the heroic archetype. The only problem is that his tendencies are so dark upon introduction that too many people thought he's incapable of true heroism. The Wyll we have now is someone I consider a true paragon.
But I do miss Wyll from Early Access. He was someone I deem an insecure human and there's so many interactions with him so early in the game that it's easy to find him endearing. However, I do get the impression that his heroism was, for lack of a better word, "bullshit" from how he speaks and acts parallel to you. He was someone who would embrace the Illithid powers. In fact, I find it so cool that you get an interaction where everyone in the party confronts Wyll for using Illithid powers. Not your decision, but his. You also get dialogues to say about his carelessness and eagerness to do something reckless. That, I think, makes sense for someone who would unkowingly become a Warlock.
Funny enough, my first playthrough was a Monk, and I met the cabbage guy. I was dying of laughter the whole time, it was a BEAUTIFUL reference
Astarion was a teifling during development, so he did change dramatically, which would make more sense as to why your party couldnt realize he was vampire right away as teiflings have fangs and colored eyes, so it would have been much more of a surprise.
Every new thing I learn about Karlach just cements my belief that we would be Best Friends.
One of the Gale screams is like "aaaaayyyee-yaaaaa" and is even way more ridiculous than the "ah!" 🤣
The individual Barbarian screams are cool. I find it even cooler that each character also has their own recordings of spell incantations, including dozens of "Vicious Mockery" insults (including NPCs. Aunty Ethel even has her own custom insults!).
I also like that your spellcasting animation is different depending on the class you're playing, since the different casters draw their power from different sources. And your weapon attack animations and climbing animations depend on your race. Elves are more graceful then humans. Halflings and Gnomes are shorter so they have to adapt to the larger ledges and weapons.
Astarion turns into a warhammer Strigoi with those barbarian screams.
Showing the Feral side of vampirism.
Fuck I tried to open that chest with shadowheart, and never worked, I was 100% sure that I was doing it right
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Half-elves actually do not go into the trance, that’s exclusively an elf/drow thing, even in game.
Another cool fact about the trance is that it allows them to near-perfectly recall any memory they have while in their trance. Like they’re tidying up their “mind palace”
Edit: accidentally said “elves” instead of “half-elves”
My first playthrough was with a monk avatar, and oh boy I lost it when I realised that cabbage merchant in act 3 was THE cabbage merchant