The Most Powerful Cordless Drill? Part 2
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And then Makita XGT smokes everything - with a giant brick attached. Impressive showing by Hilti, too, I expected them to dial the power down for longevity, but it still did well in heat after 5min. Amazing test and great to see all these brands that we don't usually see tested with all their batteries.
yeah this is how it should be done :) no fluff, just hc tests on dyno 👍
Only smoked them because they were using 8ah on a 40v which would be equivalent to a 18v with a 16AH battery (of which no one really makes). Surprised the Flex stayed on top - did you run it on turbo? Ultimately, the biggest surprises were the Ridgid and Hercules.
@@joeludwig8636 flex's turbo mode doesn't last long, but makita is like flex with turbo mode all the time. It really is the best all around (power, quality, ergonomics, reliability, size, etc etc).
@@joeludwig8636 definitely has an advantage, it'd be fun to see them all tested with a bank of 30 prismatics that could be rewired as 5s6p, 6s5p, and 10s3p. I'd imagine the Makita XGT and Hilti would still be on top due to their lower heat on the 5min @ 500W test
Yeah the 5min heat test showed how they could handle the load over time. Would be interning to power them with a hug battery.
Oh My God, the deep pockets that go into your productions. Thank you for doing this. The likes of Tools Tested and TTC have educated me as never before.
Yeah couldn't do it without my full-time job... the dyno cost me 4k to build. No problem! glad you enjoyed it!
Agree, learning so much - Can’t believe the Dyno cost that much 😮
Yeah sadly the majority of the parts had to be imported directly from china.
@@Tools-Tested Sounds like a bit of a Labour-of-Love. For us viewers, that's a good thing.
Yeah I do love building test equipment. I also didn’t care for people testing tools with just a few batteries, are you going to use the largest battery probably not, but it shows the highest performance of the tool.
The best tool review channel on TH-cam period! I really hope to see this channel make it huge.
Appreciate it! hopefully it grows! Wish I could spend more time making videos but sadly my full-time job funds the channel...
@@Tools-Tested it's amazing that you're able to produce such high quality content while having a full-time job. If you can somehow get your hands on some of the new F series batteries from Makita and the new DeWalt tabless batteries you will definitely be one step ahead.
Thanks! Yeah it’s a lot of work. Hoping I can pick them up when they are released. Saving up for the new Bosch tabless as well.
wow what a great test, you really raised the bar for dyno tests! And thank you so much for including longer term runs, I really really appreciate it :)
now, I expected good numbers from makita but I was still shocked with that 40v and even 18v numbers with larger batteries :D
also on 4:00, metabo 5.5ah pack is the strongest be because it uses the most powerful cells, samsung 30T's which can put 40A cont out. 8ah uses 40T that can do 30A, and 10Ah uses 50S cells that can do around 25A.
Thanks and can't wait for more!
Yeah, that 5min @ 500W was a great test. I'd like to see it with temp probes rather than IR, but that's a lot of effort.
Great video thanks! Makita has a 40V 4ah battery with tabless cells. If they used these cells in the 8ah it would be a monster. Bosch also now has ProCore+ 8ah batteries with tabless cells which will be closer to 12ah performance than the regular 8ah battery. And if they make a ProCore+ 12ah battery it would step up performance.
Would love to see the update with the newer batteries! It is quite difficult getting Bosch in the US.
Shame the USA don't have the Makita BL4040F battery yet
Yeah I hope to get the new batteries for part 3, would have loved to do it on this one but need the $$$ for other videos at the moment. Im curious too if they help.
What other drills could you test?!?! 😂😂 I feel like you have covered virtually everything
Where can I find those new tabless batteries in the USA for Makita and Bosch?
I forgot my impact driver and had to use the FLEX drill driver all day long with a 2.5ah & 5.0ah battery. I was absolutely impressed by the precise torque and consistency in power. Even though the turbo mode wasn't designated all day run, it was a pleasure to use. The charge time with the 550 watt was better than all other chargers available.
Yeah the drill is a good value IMO + the 3 different size stacked lithium packs and that charger. They just need to keep growing the line.
Awesome review and comparison of tools. Really appreciate the time and energy put into all the tests. Drills and impacts are getting to an inflection point of efficiency and effectiveness. Bigger and new tech batteries are great, however sacrificing size and weight in some cases. This really helps consumers decide what is right for them. Thank you.
I've got the Flex and the Makita XGT, few others that you've tested as well. The Flex stays at home and only sees occasional use. Sure, it's one of the most powerful drills I own, but that's the only good thing I have to say about it, and there are other factors that make it horrible to run in a 9 to 5, like the Ryobi-esque ergonomics or its tendency to overheat quicker than the rest of my drills.
Flex needs to get rid of that Jacobs chuck… Otherwise, great drill
Right on
Def a numbers tool, not a workman's tool
Great comparison as always. I wish you could measure the runout of the chucks, some of them even look wobbly on video - providing they're all in like-new condition of course.
A couple more thoughts:
- Electronic clutches are almost useless imo. They might be ok for rought work with large fasteners, but they react too slowly to limit torque for more delicate fasteners.
- The battery sizes are getting out of hand. Soon you'll need an extra handle just to hold the battery.
- DeWalts product lineup is similarly out of hand, it's a mess with way too many models and nonsensical names.
00:40 torque numbers are pretty much the same, so all are hitting the same current limiter. Bigger batts are maintaining higher RPM and therefore more power. Thanks for testing this!
Astute point, of course You ARE the toolscientist! 😊👍
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Ha ha yeah!
Lol yeah but the torque was low
haha good one :D
@@markk3948 they never claim high torque
WOW. If you went back in time with a picture of these lunch pail sized batteries attached to cordless drills, people would just laugh and say “no way!” 😂
GREAT TEST as usual! 👍
Lol, I should find a NOS ridgid and compare it to today. Probably make a cool video showing performance now vs 2003.
Thanks!
wow awesome job,thank you
Glad you liked it! Thanks!
I was really hoping to see the new metabo hpt 36v. No one that does in depth test like this touches metabo hpt
Yeah its on the list for part 3 along with the new bosch battery packs.
@@Tools-Tested neat. I do hope you're getting some roi on these massive comparisons
Maybe someday lol, but doesn’t look like anytime soon.
Could you please test drill runout for each of the drills? Not sure how difficult it is (assume you could just test with a dial indicator?), but would be something I haven't really seen tested.
So I did start collecting runout after someone commented about it. I just need find what I did with that note card and post the data.
@@Tools-TestedThank you! Greatly appreciate it!
Молодец,самый достойный тест из всех,что я видел.Макита опять всех нагнула раком даже высокие Ньютоны не помогли!!!😊
Спасибо! Да, Макита - убийца!
Awesome video as always. Flex needs to get a few more tools in it's arsenal with the distribution network Dewalt and Milwaukee have and they could really start to make some sales. It's hard to justify a brand that I can't same day replace a broken tool from. I make my money with my tools so availability is a big factor. Same with the XGT line. Home Depot's in my area don't stock anything XGT but the outdoor power equipment
Thanks! Yep I agree, Flex needs more tools and better distribution. They could really take market share. Same here at my HD with XGT, it’s a shame.
2:49 surprisingly low by Dewalt. That's usually one of the most powerful drills. And then Bosch annihilates everyone so far 😂
To be fair, it's almost 4 years old already and a spinoff of the 996 which is 8 years old up against some relatively new models. TTC has tested a pre-release 1007 with much better results.
Bosch annihilating everyone bruh you are kidding ahahahahah
Milwaukee smokes the competition I use them all day everyday no Bosch no Misskita no Default can come close to the big red my friend
@i_know_youre_right_but I was commenting as I watched, which is why I said "so far". Bosch @ 1467W did annihilate the next best Milwaukee @ 1,300W at the time, but then Bosch was annihilated by Makita.
@@j.b.1593 I was just sure that I'd seen practical tests of the DCD999 beating Milwaukee, but maybe that's because the Milwaukee overheats quicker at higher loads. I'll have to look it up.
I have the 998 and it powers through a bucket of mud, handle attached of course, with a huge paddle mixer, with enough torque to spin the big bucket if I don't hold it with my feet. I too was surprised by the test results?
There are varying opinions about the 998 VS the FV 999, and which is better. I’ve run FV batteries, and the 5.0 PS, and the XR 6.0/ 8.0 on mine, and they all feel about the same. Conclusion: All of these drills tested can snap a wrist, so the lack of any anti kickback in a present model of drill, is inexcusable. Ergos, noise, comfort and durability are what matters at the end of the day, and if one gets to go home on time, not held up by a tool that did not hold up or perform, am I right? Peace!
THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH FOR THE REVIEW
No problem!
So the makita LXT would probably be about equal to the XGT if it had equal batteries. Gotta remember that those adapters always increase resistance etc. It's extremely frustrating to know that lxt would be one of the best platforms if makita didn't get greedy. 18V has a huge tool selection (still no nailer.....), people already have tons of tools, they are well priced, they are very reliable and the tools are easy to repair + the parts availability is good. The only thing they lack is performance and a framing nailer.
LXT with 5Ah is 926W. XGT with 2.5Ah is 1,308W. That's quite a big difference with equivalent batteries
Great comment and I have to tell You, it makes me want to rant! I have had many very unsatisfying Conversations with Makita Tech Reps, telling me all kinds of asinine and insulting reasons why they did not have anything higher than 6.0 Ah batteries, in the LXT lineup. I was even told not to buy the 6.0’s as they wouldn’t make much difference! Sheesh!
Makita really NEEDS to come out with their version of a ‘pouch style’ battery, so it will fit in existing tools. They cannot come out with 21700 batteries, as they would have a mess on their hands. The fit on my 18X2 rear handle saw is already tight, with the LXT 18 volt batteries. Some of the tools could not house the larger batteries without major work.
*rant over*. Good comment, and good luck getting Makita to change. They remind me of Nikon! 😯
Yeah they need to go straight to pouch for LXT, but sadly I think XGT see's pouch before LXT. It's sad bc the amount of performance that could be unlocked. Its like the XGT guys don't talk to the LXT but thats common in a corporate company.
@@Tools-Tested I doubt we will see lipo's on xgt line because they have new tabless cells, except maybe for a very small 1Ah pack. There was a patent for lxt pack with lipo cells so who knows :)
It has nothing to do with being greedy.
Makita is made for longevity and the LXT platform is old AF.
Do I wish they'd make something else, sure. But it works and they last.
If you need more, go XGT. There will be a reliability compromise if you're gonna push an 18V tool with more energy
Muchas gracias por la informacion es realmente valiosa
No hay problema, me alegra que lo hayas encontrado útil.
This is so awesome
Thanks!
Is the skil 6270 available in North America? You can get the machine for only $60 in China. 130Nm, LED light bar and anti-kickback.I think it's very competitive.
No I don't believe its currently available here sadly.
I think the Greenworks, Cat, and even the Dewalt seem to suffer from what I call Ryobi syndrome. They all cut off long before it seems like they’re actually tapped out. The Greenworks and Cat in particular seemed like they had a lot more to give but the electronics stopped it for some reason. Cheap electronics? Saving the mechanicals that aren’t up to snuff? I dunno but I hate it!
As I recall, Bosch has labeled that drill as “the world’s strongest 18v drill” when it came out, and I think you pretty much proved that right. At least in torque alone. I remember TTC testing it with new pro factor batteries (I think) and it topped their chart for torque. At least at the time.
Very interesting seeing Ridgid beat Milwaukee in max Watts on a 12AH. I wonder how that was allowed to happen?
Max torque in low in the 2.5-6AH battery category, you show the M18 using a 3.0. Did that actually perform better than the forge? I would assume you tested with the forge.
Interesting to hear the sound differences, some drills have really REALLY noisy speed controls. My biggest gripe about my 2904 is how loud the speed control is. Sometimes it forces me to wear hearing protection. I don’t know why that is, but it’s the same way in RC cars. You can have two equivalently powerful and spec’d speed controls and motors and one will be nearly silent while the other screams its guts out! Looking at you Arrma! I’m tempted to think that higher quality electronics means quieter, but I’m not convinced that’s the case.
In the end I don’t much care for Dewalt or Makita. It’s pretty hard to beat the tool lineup of Milwaukee and I do throughly love my 2904. It’s got a lot of power in a small package but man I wish it was quieter! Also love me some Ridgid and I wish there were more Lowes near me as then I could get on the Flex and Ego bandwagon! I got 4 Home Depot’s within 5 miles of my house, but the nearest Lowes is about 13 miles away and easily a 30-45 minute drive! Damn you Lowes!
Awesome video as always, been so looking forward to it! Quite possibly the most underrated and under appreciated channel on the interwebs!!!
PS. Yes I know you can order Flex and Ego online, however, I like to actually touch and hold tools before I buy them. I’m just strange like that.
Good thorough comment overall, although I have to tell You, wishing for a Lowe’s well, good luck with that! Aint no big thing. They seem to be struggling, and my local sore is abysmal at times; They either hot or cold. Some days they holler out at me from like 20 feet away, and other times, they cant be found. Customer Service lady argues with you over a price, even after seeing my iPhone shot of the item in the store! Sad!
Yeah I really think the Dewalt could pull more amps, just look at the 805 its a killer.
Yeah I bought the 8ah and 12ah a few months before they released the new versions. Hopefully I can get my hands on the new 6,8 and 12 before part 3. Just need to spend another $500.......
Yeah that Ridgid is strong, somehow pulled a fast one on Milwaukee. Im guessing we see a new Milwaukee soon.
Speaking of Milwaukee, good catch on the 3AH. Im guessing thats a result of the drill pulsing under max load. It only happens with the 3 and 2AH. I will have to retest the 3 again and look at the data before the pulsing.
Thanks for the support, hopefully the channel will grow allowing me to produce more videos. But at the moment I couldn't do it without my full-time Job so im limited on time.
@@georgedavall9449 LOL damnit! I live in a very populated area of the mid Atlantic and I either have to drive quite a ways south or cross into another state to get to a Lowes. It’s crazy to me because surely Home Depot has deemed the market worthy of so many stores but not Lowes. Heck if I just go out to a 15 mile radius or roughly the distance to my closest Lowes, I’d probably have 15 Home Depots, maybe more. And it’s never like any of the Home Depots are empty either, they ain’t!
@@Tools-Tested Yeah I would love to know why some drills do that. I mean is it cheap electronics or does the manufacturer know the gearbox or other internals can’t handle the power? Or is just a lack of paying attention to the final outcome? Given what the Milwaukee has done on Flex batteries, it seems pretty clear that it can take a fair bit more, so why can’t the other brands in the same price class?
Have you checked out Way Source, formally The source, to buy your batteries? They’re often the best place to buy batteries for several brands including Bosch. I dunno if they have what you’re looking for but if they do it’s a good place to go for great deals on batteries. Sometimes they have great deals on tools too, but that’s hit or miss.
I have no reason to buy the Ridgid, but at the same time I want one now lol! I have the older gen5X drill with 100 position micro clutch! The clutch is awesome! The drill torque leaves a little to be desired, but it is quite old now.
I have no idea what Milwaukee plans on a new drill, honestly I’d be surprised if they came out with a new one so soon. But at the same time I’ve only been in their platform since the 2904 came out. That was actually my first Milwaukee tool. So maybe it is time. My one request above all else would be quieter electronics.
Dude you make awesome no BS content and I love it! I hope your channel grows to! I totally understand not having the time considering you still have a full time job. I have no idea what you do and quite frankly I neither need nor want to know, but the amount of time, material, and financial outlay you’ve had is absurd! Especially if it’s just for the channel! Here’s hoping that you can make some return on that stuff outside of the channel videos!
@@2down4up I feel your pain, but at the same time, I think You’re not missing much, but not to take away from You wanting a Lowe’s. 😊 They have a clown ( CEO ) running the show, and are not dong that well overall, IMO. I used to love Lowe’s, but they have gone downhill in some areas, in last few years. I can remember when they carried makita and other brands, in their “Tool World” section. Long long ago…. Hope they get one close to You soon!? Yeah, Home Despot is killing it lately. Take care!
1:57 only 1,300W from M18? I was expecting more. I got 2,500W electrical (155A × 16.1V), so that's not great efficiency if our numbers match up.
it kind of makes sense, 50% eff for overloaded small bldc motor :D
@riba2233 from dyno graphs of BLDCs, I was still expecting 60-70% at stall. Either it's overall efficiency is garbage, they're pushing it very deep into its curve, or my measurements are trash. The last one is the most likely 😂, but it's probably a combo of all of them.
@@toolscientist yeah 60% in the motor, and some non negligible amount in the controller at that current, wires and we are near 50% :D
...and the gearbox as well.
@@j.b.1593oh yeah, completely forgot about 2-stage planetary. That'll add another 0.8-0.94 multiplier.
I didn’t see any DeWalt drill here. What happen? Are they to good to be compare with other brands or to bad?
What about the other CHERVON tools SKIL 20v and 12v . LOWES has dump SKIL out of the stores in my areas .
Yes master data is at the end and the other test videos for drills.
Thanks for doing this I don’t wanna even know how much it costs
No problem! yeah just the dyno was 4K to build...couldn't do it without my full-time job lol.
Can’t wait for the dewalt 1007
Those big batteries are just to big, rather have a wired drill.
The platform is just the indicator. Where 40v is good is in big high speed tools. I.e
Circular saws
Great vid especially to the scope and range of different brands and tests that you did. Definitely a like and subscribe from me.
I’ve got the Bosch and dewalt but I prefer the Bosch one as it seems to run cooler and feels like it has more power for me and the anti kickback is a saver.
Thanks! I appreciate the sub!
Yeah the anti kick back is a big deal imo, looks like the new DCD1007 has it. Hopefully the production unit will perform better than the one TTC tested.
2:34 That can't be a human voice right?
That was a copy paste, originally said 996, but I was 2 hours into editing and just deleted the 6 and copied a 9 lol.
You're using the r86114b ridgid? That drill is only specd for 800 in lbs of torque.
You need the r861152
That is the R861152B
@Tools-Tested on your comparison charts at the end you have the model number put as r86114b
That’s a master table, I tested the r86114b in a previous video.
next time try DIY makita 21700 alternative
It will be no different to using an adapter another brand's 21700 pack like he did here.
what brand and model is the tool that you use to do the measurements ?
Sadly it’s no single tool, it’s comprised of multiple parts assembled. Partial brake, radial load sensor, speed sensor, cnc controller, stepper motor etc.
@@Tools-Tested please can you make a video about how to build one like that
That FLEX is killing the competition.
Yep building off of Kobalt.
Ework has a 6Ah battery that is compatible with the LXT that I learned about from the TTC. Seems to outperform the available Makita options. I wonder how that Makita would do on your dyno with that ework battery.
I'm not likely to use a battery adapter in normal use because of the added bulk and loss of communication, but maybe an alternative compatible battery.
There's no communication between LXT tools and batteries. That 3rd pin is just a stop/go voltage signal. The performance of a 3rd party 21700 6Ah will be about the same as using an adapter and any other brand's 21700 6Ah (minus some small losses from adapter resistance).
@@toolscientist Good to know. But with an adapter, you would lose the low voltage cutoff for battery lines that have that in the battery vs tool right? Potentially resulting in over-discharged batteries? That risk is a deal breaker.
Regardless of that, the added bulk also makes the adapters not great - except maybe for an occasionally needed tool, in a battery line that someone doesn't want to stay in.
@@ccbowers yes, you would. So one option is to use AEG/Ridgid batteries as their batteries have stand-alone protection. The bulk is unfortunately unavoidable.
I must have missed him using the Ework battery. I will have to get one and try it in part 3.
@@Tools-Tested That link should take you to right to moment they mentioned the Ework and tested ita couple months back. I think there was previous video, but I don't remember which one they first mentioned it
Did you run flex on Turbo? Did you test the Hilti on gear 4 for UWO?
Yeah the flex in turbo mode produced 1749 10ah SL, but very short lived. I was only able to do 2 pulls then it switched back and I had to let it cool.
Hilti in gear 4 has an average toque of 117 with UWO of 1531 12ah.
Thanks! Got to ask - what’s your thoughts on the eclutch on the XGT?
Some commented they don’t like it, but I really haven’t used it yet to be honest.
@@Tools-Tested Did you ever run it in turbo with the 6ah? Curious on the results of the mid range battery. Kind of surprised that UWO went up by almost 100 on the Hilti when put in gear 4. Did you test all of the drills in high and low gears?
@@joeludwig8636 No sadly only the 8ah, because after 2 runs on the dyno in turbo mode the drill overheats and needs cool down. Turbo mode is great, but seem its only really good for the one off situations.
I only tested them in low, sadly that dyno is rated for low speed, I probably could have tested the high speed on the angle grinder dyno but it wasn't built yet.
Yeah I would expect higher watts in high speed, in low speed you loose some because of the gearcase.
I love my Flex!
I like the flex but if your pushing it a bit harder it stalls out and has to cool down. Turbo mode one shot it's the king. I love Milwaukee, the best line up and we beat on ours Daily, and if there is an issue take it to Milwaukee and they cover it.
Yep turbo is a 1 trick pony, I didn’t even put the data from turbo mode on the main charts because it more of a cheat in my opinion.
Ive got the DCD999 dewalt, things a beast and at this point its limited by my 5' 7" dumbass being built like a 2x4 lmao
Lol, I cant wait to test the DCD1007.
why you not use the m18 forge battery not equal redo
He did 2:01. 1,257W for 6Ah Forge vs 1,303W for 12Ah
Mikita 40v had high watts but low torque. Id rather torque than watts
it is just a matter of reduction, you always want more power.
Can you elaborate? Why would one want more UWO vs torque? I’d assume you’d just get more speed with lower torque to get higher UWO.
@@joeludwig8636 1. Please just say power, uwo is 💩 term dewalt made up
2. Power does the job, and you can easily get more torque with just a gear reduction, but you will work slower
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