@@kuks3960 depends on engine and "steuerzeiten" and on your exhaust layout on a 2 stroke and by the way if you maybe get more knowledge from watching yt videos you will learn that a 2 stroke rlly depends not on torque :D its horsepower and revs I rebuild tune and destroy couple 2 stroke 50-125cc i was on scooter drag racing .... i had scooters with 20 hp + on the weel . so dont tell my anything about 2 strokes .
@@laffytaffy1417 Dude, I'm talking about this machine only, not 2 stroke in general. If this thing constantly would make 18k it won't last many races, it's perfect adjusted for the tracks.
Awesome. I remember back in the 1960's there was a 50cc class at the Isle of Man TT. I think the Kreidler had a 12 speed gearbox. Just remember to keep your hand over the clutch lever...……..
@r1273m . You mean in case the engine would seizes up. And safe yourself by pulling the clutch-lever.(on-time) Before the backweel starts locking-up. You have to be fast as lighting. I know this from 2-stroke experience. Anyways hope you can confirm this. Cheers and Greets from Holland. 👍🏼
In 1964 my mate & stood at Brandish as the 50s swept down from The Creg. They approached that quickly we at first thought that they had swopped the 500 TT to the morning.
Wow but every time that Rev counter dropped below 11000 rpm I was urging the rider to stir that gearbox and keep it in the powerband and found my head tilting over round the circuit. I noticed that as the riders confidence increased he was definately getting quicker. I loved it!!!
Miss two stroke bikes, people today have never experienced them. Some think they are strimmers. I've left so many tailgaters behind in a blue haze. I'd love to see the Clarksons behind the wheel expressions when I take off.
ça me rappelle la course de cote Sancey le Grand ... Dans les années1976 ( ?? ) y en avait qlq unes qui montaient ... c est ce qui m avait impressionné le+ ... le bruit de ces ptites machines ... comme des abeilles ... lol .. merci pour ta video ...
Trennen in den Augen,sol schöööön...,Van Veen drehzahl super,Temperatur unglaublich?? Oder nicht angeschlossen?Hatte damals 1970 eine GILERA Trail Luft gekühlt 22Delorto ,Auspuff selbst gestrickt,gut über setzt...das waren noch Motoren ,schöner massiver Motor Block ,große Kühlrippen ,Italia Temperament. ca.130kmh. Ein Freund hatte diese Fantic Straßenversion? Ich schwöre 165 kmh ,nach einer Testfahrt schlotterten mir die Knie,das Teil schrie in jedem Gang auf und zog wegg ,wie eine Fuhrie...unglaublich.All meine Freunde damals,Herkules, Zündapp, Sachs,Kreidler,Garelli,Beta,Malaguti, Fantic.,ectr ....Ein Traum von Motoren,individuelle Technik ,für jeden etwas dabei.Das war noch mehr als Mopedfahren das war ein Lebensgefühl.Nicht dieser einheits Brei an Am6 ,und seine Chinesischen copyen. Sehr schade. Die Jungs von heute fahren ja nur mehr Roller????
Talk about learning how to conserve momentum! Brilliant!!! Ever since the demise of two-strokes in racing (Road and MX) the world has gone down a darker, more evil path. It’s just true!
50CC!!!------Golly!---the nice salesman at the motorcycle dealer said for my first bike I shouldn't buy anything less than 750cc! D'ja think he's tryin t' mislead me?
Heinz-Dieter Kuroda Pardon my poor German , but you said exactly what I thought when I first saw this video, you have to love drehzahlmessers that begin at 8000. I lived and worked in Germany many years ago and always admired the Kreidlers. Wunderbar motorrad.
Incroyable, ce truc !! Pour un peu il damerait le pion aux gros cubes dans les coins !!! Heinz Dieter K. : und nur mit einem Zylinder ... Braucht kein multicylinder motor !! vor Jahren hatten wir einen Kreidler Florett, 100% original und mit dem ganzen Blech gab das Ding über 85 Km/st. ohne Problem ..
Die 50er drehten alle bis knapp an die 18.000 Van Veen war natürlich etwas besonderes, aber auch die übrigen Tuner wussten, wie man aus einem Schnapsglas anständig Power erzeugen konnte. Ich war von 1975 bis 1983 Mechaniker bei meinem Freund, welcher in der 50 und 125er Klasse DM / EM / und ein paar WM Läufe bestritt. Bin beide Klassen probeweise auf dem Hockenheimring und Salzburgring gefahren. Voll geil 👍😉
In the old days the werks Kreidler had a 12 speed gearbox - the reason was that the 50cc engine only could be driven in a very narrow Field of revolutions say around 500 up in the 13000 revolutions - another problem was the problem of syncronising the 2 carburettors at 17.5 mm - yes the old Kreidler race engines had 2 valves one at either side of the engine , the later van veen engines just has 1 valve and a 28mm bing car , the only thing the old days has as an advantage was the high octane fuel with led additive - remember it well becauce it smelled very speciel .........
Some of the comments make me laugh , he is running the bike in adter an engine rebuild thats why he takes it up and extra 100 or 200 rpm each lap and still is doing a 100mph ( 160kmh )
Il y en avait une à Treignat (journée de la mob) il y a quelques années. J'ai pu la filmer tournant sur place et faisant un A/R dans la rue. Ca avoine!!!
joli ce warm up en 50 Van Veen Michel, 15000 trmn pour un peut moins de 1,6 sur un petit circuit valloné et tortueux qui s'y prétait, domage pour la courbe sale , enfin bravo et merci.
First : Your Chain rattles Second : What kind of Carburator do you use? ( I can hear it almost "breathing") Third : What the fish are you feeding this Bike with? Really AWESOME Bike. Thumb is UP
Rev counter starts of at 8,000rpm up to 18,000rpm on a 50cc lol it's a old cbr250rr I would love a shot of rev up to 21,000rpm the sound like a old f1 car lol
Un pisse feu qui prend plus 14000 tours c est quand même solide faut être costaud pour piloté un outil pareil de50 cmcubes et avec des pneus larges comme des roues de vélo et le pire c est que ça tient. Respects a ceux qui montent la dessus. Le grand sorcier van veen a fait des miracles avec les kreidler derby.et autre outils dans le genre La grande époque des tasses et révolue ! Ha ! Souvenirs quand tu nous tiens. Amitiés à toutes et tous les motards😵😵😋🙈🙈🥇🥇🥇😇🤣🤣Les freins sont ou ??? 🤔🤔😁😱
very interesting but you need to keep it on the pipe more it looked like useable power was from 11500 to 14000, 10k and it was flat , raced itom in the 60,s nowhere as quick as this
There's a noticeable surge in power from early 13,000 to 14,500 which is where- being a tuned 2T - "it's at. " 12-15 % of his power resides there . Dropping to 10k or even lower means a long slow climb back to top speed. When he kept it up there at 13 to 14,000 He was well up there with the crowd. So he can ride with the best but gotta get on top of 2T, the style is different to 4T. Theres little torque to speak of so always keep it pinned , no 9,000 rpm turns, keep it boiling, stay above12,500 at all times, bends an all. Schwantz said his ambition was to ride a complete race with the throttle pinned. Good chap to follow...he rode 2Ts I believe.
You know you're badass when your tach starts at 8000 rpms.
Bring back the 50cc world championship class!! So much history, and no need for idiot amounts of money.
I remember when 7 classes raced on Sunday. 50, 125, 250, 350, 500, sidecar "A" and sidecar "B"
That was awesome.
@@RCScaleAirplanes 8Occ also
Ernst Degner.
So true! I hate to see all the classes disappear! It was so much easier to participate then, so much more accessible and wasaaay more interesting!
@@101stuey
80cc REPLACED the 50cc class
Not any dumb scooter can surpass a real Kreidler van Veen.
Shifting gears at 14.000 RPM gave me chills.
Great work.
Greatings from the Netherlands.
Great
my only thoughts if you pay for a 18 k Speedo why you dont use it ?
P.s my dumb scooter made 15.5k
@@laffytaffy1417 No need for it.
You won't get more torque.
It would be just RPM waste.
@@kuks3960 depends on engine and "steuerzeiten" and on your exhaust layout on a 2 stroke
and by the way if you maybe get more knowledge from watching yt videos you will learn that a 2 stroke rlly depends not on torque :D its horsepower and revs
I rebuild tune and destroy couple 2 stroke 50-125cc
i was on scooter drag racing .... i had scooters with 20 hp + on the weel .
so dont tell my anything about 2 strokes .
@@laffytaffy1417 Dude, I'm talking about this machine only, not 2 stroke in general. If this thing constantly would make 18k it won't last many races, it's perfect adjusted for the tracks.
Wie das Ding ab 10.000 erst so langsam "kommt" um dann ab 12.000 endgültig mal langsam Drehmoment und Leistung aufzubauen: Einfach herrlich.
La magie des 2T d'époque quelle machine !!!!! Superbe moment !
Dutch Engineering by Van Veen.
Makes me a little bit proud
to be Dutch.
You know someone means business when there tach starts @ 8k rpm.
And typically over more 10 gear speeds, that guys at Kreidler played a very hard game: going fast with a 50 CC. not, for kids surely.
oh...thought it wasn't working 'till I had a better look.
@@paulalexander633 should be that way; but this is a Kreidler :)
Impressionnant ce Kreidler !! J'adore les deux temps.
Awesome. I remember back in the 1960's there was a 50cc class at the Isle of Man TT. I think the Kreidler had a 12 speed gearbox. Just remember to keep your hand over the clutch lever...……..
@r1273m .
You mean in case the engine would seizes up.
And safe yourself by
pulling the clutch-lever.(on-time)
Before the backweel starts locking-up. You have to be fast as lighting. I know this from 2-stroke experience.
Anyways hope you can
confirm this. Cheers and
Greets from Holland. 👍🏼
In 1964 my mate & stood at Brandish as the 50s swept down from The Creg. They approached that quickly we at first thought that they had swopped the 500 TT to the morning.
Wow but every time that Rev counter dropped below 11000 rpm I was urging the rider to stir that gearbox and keep it in the powerband and found my head tilting over round the circuit. I noticed that as the riders confidence increased he was definately getting quicker. I loved it!!!
Yes, it would be nice to see what it could do if he kept it in the power band all the time.
@@kevinwildash5726 For sure... 11,800-14,000 by the looks of it... yummy motor.
Agree, the more he reved the quicker he got... got to thrash a 2T...power is all up top.
@@kevinwildash5726 he would have been well in the mix....bike was capable
Awesome! Looking very smooth. The motor sounds good.
This thing whas from a another world back in the day. 😍love the van veen !!!
Miss two stroke bikes, people today have never experienced them. Some think they are strimmers. I've left so many tailgaters behind in a blue haze. I'd love to see the Clarksons behind the wheel expressions when I take off.
Super ! Je me suis délecté !!!
Paul (Garelli 50 Super Sport en 1961 et ... toujours motard)
Really nice. This is more driving rather than finding a way to put excess power on the ground. Thumbs up!
Quel beau circuit et belle musique
Absolut faszinierendes Motorrad, tolles Video!!!
ça me rappelle la course de cote Sancey le Grand ... Dans les années1976 ( ?? ) y en avait qlq unes qui montaient ... c est ce qui m avait impressionné le+ ...
le bruit de ces ptites machines ... comme des abeilles ... lol .. merci pour ta video ...
Such a beautiful race track, amazing!!!
Ça me rappel 1973 la Kreidler 50cc, une super machine 😎✌
....spettacolo...spettacolo...sapore d'altri tempi andati che non tornano...spettacolo!!!
excelente trabajo Saludos desde Argentina
Good old kreidler Van veen lives for ever
Magnifique, et quelle musique !!!!
C'était quand même bien le 2t...
They were good 👍 love the sound.
Trennen in den Augen,sol schöööön...,Van Veen drehzahl super,Temperatur unglaublich?? Oder nicht angeschlossen?Hatte damals 1970 eine GILERA Trail Luft gekühlt 22Delorto ,Auspuff selbst gestrickt,gut über setzt...das waren noch Motoren ,schöner massiver Motor Block ,große Kühlrippen ,Italia Temperament. ca.130kmh. Ein Freund hatte diese Fantic Straßenversion? Ich schwöre 165 kmh ,nach einer Testfahrt schlotterten mir die Knie,das Teil schrie in jedem Gang auf und zog wegg ,wie eine Fuhrie...unglaublich.All meine Freunde damals,Herkules, Zündapp, Sachs,Kreidler,Garelli,Beta,Malaguti, Fantic.,ectr ....Ein Traum von Motoren,individuelle Technik ,für jeden etwas dabei.Das war noch mehr als Mopedfahren das war ein Lebensgefühl.Nicht dieser einheits Brei an Am6 ,und seine Chinesischen copyen. Sehr schade. Die Jungs von heute fahren ja nur mehr Roller????
Talk about learning how to conserve momentum! Brilliant!!! Ever since the demise of two-strokes in racing (Road and MX) the world has gone down a darker, more evil path. It’s just true!
Darker, but LESS evil path.
;)
Stunning sound!
50CC!!!------Golly!---the nice salesman at the motorcycle dealer said for my first bike I shouldn't buy anything less than 750cc! D'ja think he's tryin t' mislead me?
resomony lol
I guess he didn't carry heavily modified Kreidler mopeds.
Представьте 750 кубов 2 такта в параллельной реальности.
*Nice riding !*
The temperature didn't reach the optimal quote.
_May I ask which track it was?_
it's the circuit of Pau Arnos just few kilometers from the town of Pau in France en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Pau-Arnos
@@wardeadfr _Thank you very much for your fast response._ 👍😎
Thanks, just loved it! 💞🇸🇪✨
Tanks friend for share us this, is incredible how 50cc runs very fast
Quelle santé ce moteur ! 👍
Mon rêve d’ado !!! Merci.
Love this !!!! Lots of red faced 250/350/500cc riders harassed by this "Damn Wasp" that won't go away!!!
14.000 t/pm redicule
Eine richtig, tolle Rennsemmel!!! 👍👏✌️
most beautifull raceway -# THANKS !!!
Absolutely love this this is racing,,
,👍👍👍
The moment, when motorcycling becomes to art!
Brilliant. I didn't mind it was 50cc! Samson and Goliath!
wow I love that sound!
What a fantastic machine
trop sympa :)
Delikat - best sound from any engine
Superbe ..merci
IMPRESIONANTE!!!!!
Wahnsinn,...... der Drehzahlmesser fängt bei 8000 U/min.erst mal an !!!!! Van Veens Kreidler waren die grössten !
Heinz-Dieter Kuroda
Genau........Kreidler ist am besten.
Heinz-Dieter Kuroda
Pardon my poor German , but you said exactly what I thought when I first saw this video, you have to love drehzahlmessers that begin at 8000.
I lived and worked in Germany many years ago and always admired the Kreidlers. Wunderbar motorrad.
On parle d'un 50cc pas d'un engin à 10 000 euro
Incroyable, ce truc !! Pour un peu il damerait le pion aux gros cubes dans les coins !!!
Heinz Dieter K. : und nur mit einem Zylinder ... Braucht kein multicylinder motor !! vor Jahren hatten wir einen Kreidler Florett, 100% original und mit dem ganzen Blech gab das Ding über 85 Km/st. ohne Problem ..
Die 50er drehten alle bis knapp an die 18.000
Van Veen war natürlich etwas besonderes, aber auch die übrigen Tuner wussten, wie man aus einem Schnapsglas anständig Power erzeugen konnte.
Ich war von 1975 bis 1983 Mechaniker bei meinem Freund, welcher in der 50 und 125er Klasse DM / EM / und ein paar WM Läufe bestritt.
Bin beide Klassen probeweise auf dem Hockenheimring und Salzburgring gefahren. Voll geil 👍😉
Top,Top,Top…grandioso
mooie video ! welke camera ?
She really gets up on the bugle at about 13K....... awesome!
That downhill acc was sick
gotta love a small cc 2t
Dommage qu'on voie pas la bête 😍
Jekot vytočeného dvoutaktu 👍 to mi naskakuje husí kůže .
Judging by the number of bikes that came past, this was one of the slowest out there but it sure as hell sounded like one of the fastest!
Look at the engine temp its cold. Want it to seize?
the best bike in all the times and in all the world 🥴
Walter Villa said "if you are diving a 50cc, you MUST FORGET BRAKES!"
Gotta love it👍
In the old days the werks Kreidler had a 12 speed gearbox - the reason was that the 50cc engine only could be driven in a very narrow Field of revolutions say around 500 up in the 13000 revolutions - another problem was the problem of syncronising the 2 carburettors at 17.5 mm - yes the old Kreidler race engines had 2 valves one at either side of the engine , the later van veen engines just has 1 valve and a 28mm bing car , the only thing the old days has as an advantage was the high octane fuel with led additive - remember it well becauce it smelled very speciel .........
Unbeliable!
wonderful!!!!
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍Spectacular!thanks to post❤
BRAVO !!!
Some of the comments make me laugh , he is running the bike in adter an engine rebuild thats why he takes it up and extra 100 or 200 rpm each lap and still is doing a 100mph ( 160kmh )
La température ne monte pas , la sonde était deffectueuse , le reste ça va !!!!!!......... Oui des fois je cherche aussi la 6 , la 7 !!!........
Il y en avait une à Treignat (journée de la mob) il y a quelques années. J'ai pu la filmer tournant sur place et faisant un A/R dans la rue. Ca avoine!!!
j'avais 15 ans en 73...je te raconte pas le reste...
Non,un 2 t ne monte pas aussi haut qu'1 4t
Tu tournes autour de 60°c et comme il lui met pas le compte, il est au mini du mano
joli ce warm up en 50 Van Veen Michel, 15000 trmn pour un peut moins de 1,6 sur un petit circuit valloné et tortueux qui s'y prétait, domage pour la courbe sale , enfin bravo et merci.
Can you imagine how well a 50cc four stroke would go on the same track?
If I had this in 1987 🤠💯🤟
😀😀😎😎😍😍😍ke moto!!!!!!
Fantastic
Keeping it on the pipe!
If it had been Angel Nieto with his DERBI 50 CC...he would have passed ALL the big & bullies other bikes in this track :-)
Whit the magician Tombas engine jijji
+Jose Manuel Gonzalez THE one and only PACO TOMBAS (r.i.p.)...the soul of the epic DERBI,s....!
Where was this moped in 1978.....I had to settle for a Gerlira...
+++rommel+++ un van veen 50ccm kreidler trop sympa et itom gitane testi ok
First : Your Chain rattles
Second : What kind of Carburator do you use? ( I can hear it almost "breathing")
Third : What the fish are you feeding this Bike with?
Really AWESOME Bike. Thumb is UP
I remember Angel Neitto riding one of these got a chance to sit on it in the pits now I’m not a tall guy but couldn’t get my knees inside the fairing
Jaa krass dreht die hoch. Wie schnell wird die gehen?
dang talk about bringing a sharp knife to a gun fight
Oooo.. perfect.
Sa pousse fort
wow, just look at the cornering speeds, no wonder GP3 is full of thrill and spills, bring back the 50cc racers
Well it’s clear that 50 cc’s will secure you a solid position in last place. Good show just the same.
OMG .. dit is een snelle 50cc .. lijkt me dikke FUN..
WOW!! :o
Oh oh purée ???? 14000 tours minute a 153 ???..... J'ai une mauvaise vue mais c'est de ouf quand même!!!!
50 cc !!!!!. What a bike ! But got to keep it above 11.000 rpm. !!.
dennis mault x10=11.000😜
Der Kröber hat den Geist aufgegeben.
Hier is maar één woord voor: super!!!
Pretty fast for 50cc.
One more gear and you would have been all over some of them 👍
Rev counter starts of at 8,000rpm up to 18,000rpm on a 50cc lol it's a old cbr250rr I would love a shot of rev up to 21,000rpm the sound like a old f1 car lol
Playing the gearbox like a piano
Some of those boys would have got a shock if he really gave it the message lol
Un pisse feu qui prend plus 14000 tours c est quand même solide faut être costaud pour piloté un outil pareil de50 cmcubes et avec des pneus larges comme des roues de vélo et le pire c est que ça tient. Respects a ceux qui montent la dessus. Le grand sorcier van veen a fait des miracles avec les kreidler derby.et autre outils dans le genre La grande époque des tasses et révolue ! Ha ! Souvenirs quand tu nous tiens. Amitiés à toutes et tous les motards😵😵😋🙈🙈🥇🥇🥇😇🤣🤣Les freins sont ou ??? 🤔🤔😁😱
Les freins ?, et ben y'en a pas.
Faut freiner avec les pieds avec des chaussures de préférence !!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤔😇😇😉🤣🤣
Seems to run best between 11 and15K.... on the bugle
very interesting but you need to keep it on the pipe more it looked like useable power was from 11500 to 14000, 10k and it was flat , raced itom in the 60,s nowhere as quick as this
There's a noticeable surge in power from early 13,000 to 14,500 which is where- being a tuned 2T - "it's at. "
12-15 % of his power resides there .
Dropping to 10k or even lower means a long slow climb back to top speed. When he kept it up there at 13 to 14,000
He was well up there with the crowd. So he can ride with the best but gotta get on top of 2T,
the style is different to 4T.
Theres little torque to speak of so always keep it pinned , no 9,000 rpm turns, keep it boiling, stay above12,500 at all times, bends an all. Schwantz said his ambition was to ride a complete race with the throttle pinned. Good chap to follow...he rode 2Ts I believe.
Je sais qu'une personne a un Kreidler 50cc pour faire la montée du Mont Ventoux , mais me souviens plus du nom ?????
That's an astonishing bike . And it sounds like a mosquito .
👍👍👍