Honestly, it's a gag in itself at this point. He's only memorable last minute I love Albedo but damn, he's done dirty. Especially considering his ties to lore
I wonder how big the damage of C0 Chiori doll to extend she power creep Albedo? My C0 Albedo skill with talent lv 10 can hit 39K per thick (in mono Geo team). Because I might consider to pull Chiori if she can hit more than that.
There is no concept of "characters with similar power", it's either new meta defining characters every patch or you are sent straight to IX's black hole, there are reasons why there are so little Preservation characters *cough cough* AVENTURINE!
Genshin's slow powercreep is the reason I don't feel bad investing on my favourite characters. Cause even if they get powercreept Genshin releases new characters and makes them good again.
Even off-META characters have their place. I keep seeing Collei in Tier C as "bad"... but there she is on my Nilou Bloom team, applying dendro, helping to make blooms and helping to clear that side of Floor 12 of the Abyss in 60-90 seconds... no regrets in building Collei.
@@John_III have her c6 and have been using her together with al Haitham because I don’t have Nahihi yet - but her build has a lot of room for improvement :)
yeah Genshin isn't hack and slash game and just elemental reaction focus is really good thing, because every character just need to be enabler and no need to deal damage to have place even in future
@@John_III agree plus,let’s say you really like a five star but a new meta five star is in the same banner.If you pull for the meta,you’ll have a strong character,yayyy.But what might happen,is that your favorite five star might get the shenhe and Eula treatment and basically disappear forever.And the meta five star is gonna get their rerun after a few versions anyway. That’s why I tell people to pull for those they like,wether it be a bad five star or a not so liked four star.And Thats also why I’m gonna try and get ororon,no matter what people say.Hes always gonna have a special place in my heart❤
It makes me disgusted how characters I invested in Star Rail got completely benched like my Asta... And no she's completely powercrept by Robin and Ruan Mei. Meanwhile Theater made me level up AMBER and I enjoy that, using more characters than benching them. Maybe I should change my name LOL
Power creep is like real life inflation. A little is good for an economy and encourages spending/pulling new characters, but a lot can cripple an economy and make what everyone has already worked for worthless.
Genshin does quite well with powercreep to be fair. The meta has changed, but MOST old characters are still almost as good if not as good as before due to indirect buffs and very smart character designs. Now obviously theres exceptions like Albedo who gets directly powercrept, but for the most part, 4 year old units are still extremely strong. Then you look at star rail, and wow, old units are barely playable. This is probably due to the unique combat allowing them to balance atleast.
Word. I cleared the present Abyss with no Fontaine or Natlan characters. If you know what you're doing and build even older characters right, you can clutch up and clear. Funny you mention HSR... I'm new to HSR and yeah, it hurts. Look at the current banner: DHIL or Rappa? I really like Dan Heng, but my god does DHIL feel terrible next to Rappa... both are imaginary damage dealers... who should I pull? --> The cheeky answer from many is NEITHER, pull Acheron and Aventurine. :P
I have been clearing every single thing with my Albedo since the very beginning. If you know what you are doing Genhsin is a really easy game. You don't really need META shits, just enjoy it. -Proud Albedo Main since 2020
It should be noted that Arlecchino and Neuvillette don't actually have DPS numbers ridiculously higher than the rest of the cast. Hu Tao, Xiao, Alhaitham - all 5 of these characters output similar amounts of damage under their best scenarios. Mualani technically competes with Neuvillette specially in Speedrunning, Lyney also has competent clear times with the other 5, but I haven't really seen anyone talk about it outside of specific places. That being said, Arlecchino and Neuvillette are RIDICULOUSLY easy to use compared to Hu Tao/Xiao/Alhaitham/Mualani/Lyney. They don't have complicated combos, you can always swap out to reapply buffs, and that's what makes them "powercreep" in the eyes of those who don't know any better: Quality of Life. Why go for CA cancels on Hu Tao when you can just turn your brain off and spam NA on Arlecchino despite them not being far apart in terms of damage? I also want to mention the dedicated buffers while I'm here. It's hilarious how badly C6 Faruzan MOGGED Gorou/Mika/Sara, it's crazy. Sara isn't even BiS for Raiden unless she's C2, Fischl is. Mika's Phys buff is so awful that you're better off using him as an ATK SPD buffer for NA characters in Furina teams. Gorou is like... Okay, but he's not solving Energy Issues or providing the mind-boggling 30% DPS boost that Faruzan gives to Anemo Carries. Dedicated buffers are fundamentally different due to what elements/teams they're catered to, but c'mon Faruzan simply does a lot more than the others.
In aoe you see a bit more of a difference. Arle is better than hu tao and neuvi is better than everyone else. It doesn't matter that much if you have good positioning, a grouper or if one half is just boss fights, but for casual players its night and day.
Also, Neuvillette and Arlecchino don't rely on reactions. Their numbers are just that high. Those other character you mentioned can't really do 100k NAs or 50k every tick solo. C0R0 Neuvi and Arle can solo Abyss with ease. The rest, not really.
fischl isn't used in any raiden teams hyperbloom or carry so saying she is BiS is straight up wrong lmao. That being said its not sara either it's just xiangling/bennett or kazuha.
As someone who Just 36* the abyss with Eula: Her main issue is how the newer enemies have been made to counter her. You either have robots with insane physical resistance, or enemies that literally become invincible or get their shield back up before her burst is fully ready. Even in this abyss where the Geo bosses sort of favor blunt attacks, both the plunge boss and the Legatus minotaur have rather short windows to deal damage. I found myself preematurely detonating her burst multiple times. She does alot of dmg still. Yeah not as much as the newest DPS units but dmg is not whats holding her back. Its just like Cryo, the enemies have become straight up counters to their archetypes. 🤷🏻♂️
I would also bet you hoyo doesn't even think of Eula when they design the abyss, it's just whatever they cooked would result for Eula players. I pulled Eula and 10/10/10 her but I realized I wasted my time when I was too late to the party when she was supposed to be OP and I just benched her because I don't have the artifact nor the team to make her shine.
@@planetary-rendez-vous Yeah she's sort of like Xiao, needing specific supports. But worse because none of them are specifically made for her. Absolutely wouldn't suggest anyone to pull for her unless they *Really* like her. I ended up with the team of Zhongli, C6 Fischl and C6 Rosaria on this abyss. Fischl really helps the dmg output outside of Eula's burst and particle generation.
her burst costs a lot and the damage isn't even that high, newer characters can hit harder like Navia , Mualani and they don't need a lot of ER , and their damage comes from their elemental skill so they don't need start a new rotation and use burst to finish low enemies and I play her best team too (Eula , Furina , Raiden , Mika), but she is clunky and her team can't keep up with sumeru - fontaine - natlan teams
@@TheLastAirbender3468 Dude of course newer chars deal way more dmg more consistently. I'm not saying she can keep up, im saying she's could still do enough dmg if it werent for the new enemies artificially countering her and others that have become "powercrept". And even then it's totally possible to 36* with her. Just way harder. Imagine when we get to Sheznaya that we get enemies resistant to Pyro and Dendro, suddenly Mualani, Kinich, Arlecchinno, etc. become much harder to play and everyone declares them powercrept. 🤷
@TheLastAirbender3468 in all honesty eula only becomes a character at c3, her burst outpaces Navia rotation at that point even at equal constellations. My point is its real sad her broken dmg needs c3 at minimum when we got c0 diluc with c0 xianyun doing plunges that can come close to that
I have been here for 1487 days & Counting. And i have seen Genshin's Powercreep from 100k DMG per Nuke at C0 to now 100k DMG per tic at C0. So not as drastic as Night & Day but yea its clearly Noticable.
The damage ceiling got higher but the good thing is that old characters got brought up too. Diluc had 200k nuke showcases before and now he deals 200k per plunge with xianyun
Keep in mind Hu Tao has never actually received an artifact set based on her kit unlike other characters, she does not even get full value out of Crimson witch. In addition Arle is a character that cannot be healed by other characters and requires you to pay attention to her numbers while in combat, also I think people seem to forget Hu Tao can just give free Crit rate to the whole team essentially for free, something I think people overlook. What I am trying to say is that even though some characters are a straight upgrade for the most part, there are elements that still make the other character unique.
My rent, may just, depend on it Also The channel is doing good, people like my content, and I have a lot of video ideas i wanted to make but didn't so why not use my free time for it. The fact of the matter is most Genshin videos on this platform only take creators a few hours to make at best, The reason why they don't make more than that is because they are simply lazy or so rich they don't need to. My videos take me 6 hours to make, Which means most of my weekend and evenings are spent editing so i don't blame other people for not doing the same.
@@Mr_Leech_HGC It's not just that. A good amount of topics, even some you are covering now, have already been brought up numerous times. At some point most things worth talking about get beaten into the ground like a dead horse.
@@TOTGodofWarI honestly don't see other channels discuss this, but might be just my narrow experience. TC only talk about TC, guides onyl about guides. I subbed because he's talking about the state of the game and that tidbit about Raiden. There's another channel about character exposition and writing, but the audience is way less. Then there's lore videos and that's not about the game aspect.
It's amazing how after the release of zzz hsr and wuwa, the genshin content still doesn't let me go, this game still stands out from all the hoyovers games, it's a paradox how many minuses and terrible decisions this game has had over the last 4 years, most of the community is somewhat disgusting, but despite all this, genshin still feels like a actual good game and not just another soulless cash grab. I've been playing wuwa since its release and log into genshin once a month just to run around the world and listen to music. Wuwa is 1000% better than Genshin in terms of content and my personal tastes, but I really don't like the fact that people in the wuwa community are so toxic against hoyo games as if it were some kind of inferiority complex. Thanks to your channel for criticizing and evaluating all the games without a clear bias and not going to extremes.
Funny I'd say the reverse about Wuwa and I just can't be arsed to grind even more for this game when I already enjoy my time in Genshin, and I played Wuwa. However they have top tier characters.
That whole part that it took 4 years for Hu Tao to be outclassed by anyone is what i always try to say with genshin and powercreep as yes it does exist but it's so minor and takes so long that i would not blame you if you were still using Hu Tao just because it really doesn't matter as doing 30k or 45k is noticeable but not needed even for the hardest abyss floors as you can still clear them
Despite some very clear, disgusting mistakes (Gutting Venti, ignoring Cryo, and fucking Neuvillette) Overall I’m actually glad there hasn’t been as bad of powercreep as there is in Star Rail.
The problem with Venti is the same problem as freeze. They're both balance nightmares because you can't make them a bit better or a bit worse, either they turn the abyss into a peaceful stroll through the park or they do literally nothing. Yes or no, on or off. They did maybe slightly overcorrect though
i'm another venti fan and the fact that he's a powercrept archon is wild. i want him to get a lore buff at least, because that signora scene was pure disrespect
I really liked when Xianyun came out because she made Diluc great again (in plunge teams). He's my favorite character, and I know his numbers aren't like Hu Tao's or Arlecchino's, so I was happy when he got that buff. Add Bennett and Furina (+ Marechussee Hunter), and I have a team that can clear a lot of content. :)
@@Exhalted1 Interesting. I never ran the numbers but you might be right... If you put Hu Tao on that same team, I think the issue is you're healing Hu Tao too much. So while you'd get the plunge buff, Furina buff, and Bennett buff, Hu Tao's own mechanic of needing to be low HP probably isn't kicking in.... meanwhile Diluc has all those benefits and good plunge multipliers (hooray for claymores!) and no HP problems. :)
@@John_II Indeed yes, diluc is afterall the highest plunge dmg character in the whole game, other than xiao but its funny he hits 200-250k vape plunges while xiao is hitting 120-130k in ffxx, for hu tao because of yelan and xinqui's combined dmg her age old hu tao zhongli xinqui yelan is still one of the strongest teams of hers diluc is like 5 star gaming now basically
One thing to add to the lack of power creep is because of how the spiral abyss and imaginarium work, you are required to have multiple teams so if multiple characters share similar roles then having 2 of the same characters is not a bad thing since you can now use both for completely different setups. Having Xingqui and Yelan only gives you more options for both. Even if a character completely outclasses another character in the same role, it's better to have a spare.
Yes, abyss was already decent with this by having two teams, but theatre is even better for it. Like chiori just being better albedo. They’re already so niche, you’d basically never use two in an abyss, but with the vigor and elemental restrictions of theatre, having two sub dps of the same role is great. Same for other pairs like kazuha/ venti for crowd control
Before : choosing between Kaeya, Chongyun Rosaria (they kinda do the same thing except Chongyun is even more wasted). Now : I'll build them all for cryo abyss
Just you wait until they release character that main gimmick is buffing superconduct and it probably would buff physical in some way, so Eula would be back in business
I don't really see it, personally, because superconduct is one of the problems with physical. It pushes physical into two elements. And since the characters are designed to do physical damage they typically have bad elemental application. And then you run into a shield. And another issue for Eula. Say you face an enemy with 500k hp. Well, in 6s, you do 250k, then your burst hits for 250k and yay, you win. But now say you improve your gear, and now you're doing 50% more damage. Now you do 375k in 6s, so in 2 more seconds of swinging your sword, the enemy is dead. You don't really want to use your burst anymore. And, sure, you could cut the charge time short, to find that perfect point between charge time and burst, but now you have to wait 20s for the cool down. Eula, in a lot of situations, feels worse to play as you improve her damage, because too much of it is in that 20s burst. Short of it, the problem with physical, and Eula in particular, isn't the max damage she can dish out, her damage ceiling. It's how rarely she can actually deal that damage. Things always conspire to leave physical far below its damage ceiling.
Citlali might buff superconduct,the tsaritsa perhaps too.Shatter might become meta too,depends on what the tsaritsa is gonna buff. But I hope that cryo will finally not be ignored anymore and be given the attention it deserves.
as a person whose five favorite characters have all been completely powercrept i have lost my faith in the meta at this point. no one can stop me from building hypercarry albedo and venti now
As a die hard eula main I agree, it doesn't matter that our mains have been powercrept, they still clear, and if eventually they don't clear, we can still use them in the overworld
@DeyadaKris See, the problem with Albedo isn't that his damage is bad It's that his kit literally doesn't work His flower breaks if an enemy looks at it wrong, essentially making it so Albedo literally does basically nothing against bosses. Albedo would be fine (although obviously not meta) if only his kit didn't completely stop existing if an enemy got near his flower
@@DeyadaKris yh he's really satiflying to use, but in any team where he could work there's almost always a better option, especially now that chiori's in the game. he would be a much better unit if his flower wasn't so fragile and if his burst didn't scale off of atk
Girlie... Eula got bricked by the fact that her burst is back loaded and it's explosion is based on time after it was activated. Enemies can easily run out of it's range. And despite it's impracticality the damage you get from it is simply not enough. Like, Navia is literally Eula but good and practical. Being a Physical unit isn't bad... You just have to be a GOOD physical unit. Benefit from ATK SPD, be able to use cresent pike, be able to capitalize on Mika's buff (which Eula doesn't if she swaps out early)
I'd disagree. Being physical is bad. Physical is pushed into cryo and electro, due to superconduct, and this, coupled with often lackluster elemental app, hinders its ability to break through shields. And shields are very, very common. It also doesn't interact nicely with anemo, which is where all the groupers are, so that's out as well. Benefiting from Mika isn't the answer, because Mika was designed by someone with no clue as to what holds physical back, what makes it so that it is almost always starting off on the back foot, unlike everyone else. To fix physical, Genshin would have to change superconduct, and then release several physical characters in other elements. Probably lower resists on robots as well. And they won't do that. We might get a new physical character that is worth using because numbers are big, but they won't fix what holds the rest of physical back.
@@Axterix13physical is arguably better against certain shields as they can use a variety of elements and apply cryo and electro. Only Eula has garbage application but she has her teammates. Rosaria, Fischl and Freminet have their elements (and yes Hoyo tried physical Fischl LUL). Geo is stuck being Geo but at least it's universal.
Great point man, It's also always more newer players chasing the meta that like to mention the powercreep and how our beloved mains since release are "far from a good character". But at the end of the day, this is genshin a silly gacha game that we play to have fun, not something you should really be competitive about so let us all enjoy playing the game as we please 💛💛
Honestly so refreshing to hear such a technical and objective reflection on the topic and reality of the game - truly play who and how you want, there may eventually be better but basically all can achieve what you want to do so it’s a relief and a great reminder to not fall for sales tactics or fears of missing out or somehow needing a “new/better” character unless you truly like or want to use them Great content, keep it up!
Xiao was the best example you could have used..1.0 - One of the strongest dps and then 2.0 - Fell off a bit and then 3.0 - became mid , 4.0 - FFXX is top 5 best team in the game...
The real powercreep is the exploration abilities they're always slightly better than the last like keqing,alhaitham,chiori teleports new ones goes 2 to 3 steps farther. Also in star rail it has animation powercreeping nowadays E look like some old bursts.
Power creep is very interesting in Genshin but one things for sure, at least to me: If you're a physical unit and/or your damage scaling is pretty bad, you're gonna get power crept in no time
What i like about genshin is that even when powercreep happens, the difficulty floor remains in a space where u can still clear everything fully with lower tier characters so u dont rlly gotta care for powercreep even as a possibility.
Eula wasn't even that good when she came out either. People who thought she was broken just didn't understand the game at the time. Keep in mind that when Eula came out, Hu Tao, Ganyu, Xiao, and Childe all existed and the next two characters released were Kazuha and Ayaka. People saw "wow big number" and assumed it must mean she was the best character in the game. And yet she didn't even release in the top 5 because her DPR was always fairly low and felt higher than it was due to the nuke at the end
this right here... what matters aswell is that modern characters deal more dmg than her while needing way less 'jumping through hoops' than her. even if she did just as much dps as Neuvillette she is still worse since she requires more steps to be taken for the dmg to happen.
Well at a baseline her damage is not significantly lower than other carries. The problem comes in when you look at the other three units in the team. They just don’t buff enough to compensate for nothing in terms of damage contribution. Furina Raiden and Mika is Eula’s best team and none of them do meaningful damage nor do they have any supportive artefact sets to run outside of Nobless on Mika and TOM on Raiden or Furina. They also have no supportive weapons options like Freedom Sworn Elegy or Peak Patrol. Eula has quirks in her kit however Hoyo did nothing to help her out. Cinder City Scroll for example was a huge help for literally every carry except Eula.
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac I'm not sure what version of Genshin you're playing, but Furina does do meaningful damage and, as a sword user, can hold Freedom Sworn. But it isn't worth it, because 20% DMG, when physical already gets tons of DMG and Furina is in the mix for more... better to let her deal damage. Her kit has issues, though, for sure. Too high of a percentage of her damage in that 20s recharge, 6s to use burst. 6s for enemies to move away. And that causes an issue as well, where as you improve her, you want to use her burst less, because her melee attacks will reduce enemies to low enough health that the burst feels like a waste to use. Then there are issues with shield breaking. Mika has the worst app of pretty much any character. Eula's is 4/8s cooldown on her elemental skill, not great. Raiden's elemental skill is a coordinated attack, which means if you don't damage the enemy, no proc. Furina is the only decent shield breaking in the group. And shields are everywhere. Problem with Eula, and physical in general, is that their damage ceiling isn't bad, but you just so rarely get to be anywhere near that ceiling.
@@Axterix13 I’m not sure what Genshin YOU’RE playing but Furina does negligible damage. Especially if she’s not getting buffs like hydro resonance/VV or is not vaping her damage. Not to mention that as a solo hydro she needs ER sands pre C4 instead of HP if she’s wants to burst every rotation. Also please tell me what use is Freedom Sworn’s NA buffs in a Eula team when Eula does most of her damage from her burst and the attack% buff does not stack if Eula is already using Pines? Furthermore not many enemies have elemental shields so that’s almost never a problem for Eula teams. As for ER that problem is not actually real. With Eula Furina Mika and Raiden there’s zero opportunity cost to run fav on Mika and Furina and arguably on Raiden too. The only sensible thing you said was Eula might have problems with being forced to “waste” a burst on low health enemy.
Why is the contrast like so high like what's the point it's painful to the eyes the discussion itself is soo good but man is it painful to watch...!!!😔😔
HSR Speaking: You just reminded me that I’ve got Jingliu + LC in 30 pulls, stopped playing star rail, and when I got back, she was completely useless, even with my E2 Bronya + LC
Hahah that's why I delete my Account w/ Fuxuan E1 w/ signature LC, Kafka w/ LC, Black Swan and Ghost healer girl I forgot the named. Power creeping in HSR is worst.
......I feel you bro. Even as someone who has been playing HSR from release to present, powercreep still affects me a lot. With HSR pumping out a new must have support every now and then, I can never have enough to get a new DPS. They revealed a new upcoming Harmony support (Sunday) about 12 days ago or so, and at this point, the word "Harmony" basically means "unit your account can not go on without".
Now if that isn't the biggest overexaggeration in history. Buddy, I 36-star'd the last MOC rotation with Jing Yuan, with a suboptimal team comprised of 3 E0S0 5-stars and an E6 Tingyun. Against Aventurine of all bosses. If my E0S0 DPS from version 1.0 can beat the hardest boss in the game's history in 6 cycles, then so can your E0S1 Jingliu with E2 Bronya.
Opinion : modern day unit feels so good and powercreeping old unit because they are not dependent on their burst. Arlle, Neuvi, Mualani, Clorinde, etc are the few example. Because they don't really need that much ER, make them can focus on offensive stat.
Great video. I gotta say, even as a newer player, being able to 36 star the spiral abyss with a team that had a standard 5-star (Keqing) will always bring a smile to my face.
Basing the characters around elemt reactions and basically providing several layers of buffer between the damage the characters do makes it easy to keep them fairly balanced because the main source of damage doesn’t come from your characters, it comes from your artifacts, weapons, and the elemental reaction system, and if your DPS is being buffed by other characters on your team, then you’re golden, regardless of how powerful any individual stat increase other characters have
What I love about this game, Keqing 1 of my favourite characters in this game, I've pumped an ungodly amount of resin into her, she's top 30% in the world and I feel like my efforts have payed off. Kuki Shinobu my all time favourite character, we have gone through Sumeru, Fontaine and Natlan and yet still she's a S tier unit. Genshin feels like a game that rewards you for playing your favourites, expressing yourself, and actually trying to have fun with it. Unlike star rail which I will not touch with a 10 feet pole, Genshin just feels right to me. My favourites are still here and kicking, some of my favourites characters are version 1 and 2, and add some version 3 like Cyno, Alhaitham and Nahida. characters and I still feel I can get them now and I won't be punished, instead I'll be rewarded for getting them instead.
Really enjoying all the content you've been providing recently. I always found your perspective on things interesting but now youre becoming one of my favorite CCs in this space.
I feel like the only reason why we don't feel power creep too much in the game is because the game is too easy and only that. As it was mentioned Arlecchino finally power crept Hu Tao, but we don't really feel that because the hardest content in the game can still be cleared with any of the older units. If we get a content that is hard even for Neuvillette or Arlecchino to clear, then older characters like Itto, Hu Tao, Ganyu will feel weak and out dated.
Easy is pretty subjective. For older players whom play consistently they should be able to manage for the most part. A lot of new players won't have that same luxury, especially given how time gate Genshin is.
@@TOTGodofWar But in the context of power creeping, we should only really look at people who have been playing a long time, because it is these people who are going to have more characters that have been power crept. Newer players are mostly going to pull for the newer toys who are stronger at equal investments. As long as you've been building your characters properly, older players should have no issue clearing any of the content.
@@muffindude2087 I dont really agree with that tbh... New players still feel the effects of powercreep in some cases... For example, if you never play Genshin and you find a character in Genshin that you're interested in, but then you found out that the character is already 'old' and has been heavily powercrept in the current META, there is a chance you might lose interest to even start playing the game
@@Wiradika1414 Now that I think about it, you're right. The new players feel power creep even more since they have limited resources and newer characters go much further with similar levels of investments compared to older characters. Case and point, power creep only matter if the game is difficult enough for it to matter. I personally believe Genshin, for well invested players, is easy enough that power creep feel nonexistent and has nothing to do with the elemental system or other systems in the game.
@@muffindude2087 I think it depends. We definitely have newer characters that are just, if not necessarily outputting bigger numbers, are just better all around in other ways. And we have the certain key supports that ramp up the characters. So to stay relevant, you are likely going to need some of the shiny new crew to mix with the old guys, or you're just going to be lackluster. And there are other factors. Like c0 damage numbers stay about the same, but constellations have drastically improved with time. The old constellations were mostly bad/meh. The ones on new characters? Generally very strong. And we're not getting that with signature weapons as well. Used to be they were an okay upgrade over other stuff. These days, they're often 20-30% better. So power creep might not exist at c0, but at c2r1? Yeah, it exists.
HSR have worst power creep based what I experience in that game. Genshin it's not really big deal, since even no international still top 10 use meta team. I quit after i got black swan in her initial release. I realized that after I saw Jingliu and Dang L power creep every thing. Now it's severe if you don't have Meta character you can't do the hard content in that game (Which mean less Rewards)
As someone who quit back in 2.6 and came back ONLY in 4.8, the power creep is REAL for me but i find it manageable; from 36* abyss consistently last time to when i came back (I could only 33* at most), once i got Xilonen i could already 36* again.
Eula was also artificially powercrept with the addition of many enemies that resist physical and have elemental shields. Same thing with cryo and the freeze reaction, this was actually the first abyss in a while that i was able to run a ganyu freeze team and have it work for all 3 chambers (side 1). Venti is another case, he became completely irrelevant because he can't group almost anything in floor 12.
Even then there are still ways to retroactively buff characters. Once we finish Snezhnaya we might get access to delusions to change a characters element/damage type. We might get new elements like the Fontaine archon quest teased with the whale and Skirk (she 100% looks like a quantum unit, you can not convince me she is ANYTHING other than quantum) or we even might get a switched version similar to March, Dan Heng or Tingyun or something comparable like pulling different constellations for the same character.
At some point it doesn't matter how much damage a single character can do. Because of enemy delays( invincibility phases, spawning location, jumping out of reach...) and character burst animations and cycling through rotations , you can't beat Abyss faster than a set time, which is about 45 seconds for the consacrated beasts in this abyss cycle. If you can already do that with your current account you don't need a new DPS that will do more damage because it won't make a difference and probably trade off ease of use with clunkiness(like Kinich) ..
as someone who has albedo i find it nice to use him with chiori especially i dont have zhongli, also not to mention i dont have navia or itto but i do have noelle with redhorn and c6 gorou so i'm able to clear abyss that is favored to geo im also glad that power creep in genshin isnt that bad compared to star rail which eventually led me to stop playing it
With the sole exception of Kazuha genshin seemed to really not have powercreep whatsoever like not even a hint. But when fontain came out yeah... Nuvi, Furina and Arle feel completely different than the chars that came before, its actually a hard adjustment going back. And Natlan seems to be pushing things to even more ridiculous extends. Mulani hello? My friend who got her beat her highest critical hit dmg by a factor of 3... her Mulani wasn't even build yet, she had like 2 artifacts on. I genuinely expect the next harbinger we get to do 1 million damage on a normal attack.
The thing with star rail is that grinding for jades is easy since its turn based so you can get a 5* every patch. Meanwhile grinding primos is more difficult since its an open world.
Well powercreep is overall quite bearable in Genshin. I also like the fact that it seems to be limited to 5-stars as Bennet, Xiangling, Xingqui and Sucrose is my go-to-team since the first abyss and it still works nowadays.
I always hear people say "You can clear with any character easily" but man I haven't been able to 36 star Abyss since 1.2 even though I have good characters like Alhaitham or C1R1 Hu Tao built. I crí
Your standard of good may not be high enough to be able to get 36 star in abyss. If you only got 36 star back in 1.2 then you either take a massive amount of time off from the game, and/or you spread your resources way too thin which results in a lot of weak-mid built characters.
I’ve been playing since 1.0 with all C0R0 characters. With Hu Tao vape, Raiden overload, and Yae Miko hyperbloom I’ve been able to 36* all recent abysses
since i came from KRMMO on KR server (not KRMMO on western servers) i pretty much got conditioned to see power creep as a good thing like KR does on their mmo i want what ever is new to be powerful
Ah yes.... Eula my very own first ever DPS back then. As a former Eula main it kinda saddens me that Physical went into irrelevancy after 3.0 update. I used to use her in Abyss back then together with Ayaka Freeze but nowadays I rarely used her (yes I still use her from time to time but that's if I want to have a nostalgia tbh).
ayato main here. can confirm power creep is painful lmao, I can't even begin to guess as to how many times someone's been like 'why are you using ayato just use neuvillette lmao' like... gee thanks haven't heard that one before LOL (I'll be skipping neuvi's upcoming banner and I'm so sad about it because I love him as a character and want him home, big numbers aside. would LOVE to pull for him but I need to prioritize zhongli. even funnier is that if the rumors about a liyue chronicled wish coming up soon is true and tartaglia's on there, y'all can bet your bottom dollar I'll be pulling for childe, I love that man
i think that genshin powercreep is less abt newer characters having insanely higher scalings compared to older ones (though this is definitely a trend), but newer characters being significantly comfier to play than older ones. the last main dps to have their dmg tied to their burst was cyno in 3.1, since then every other dps has most of their dmg tied to their skill. like yes a character like arlecchino does more dmg than hu tao, but arle also has the benefit of not having to cancel charge attacks for optimal clear times and being able to switch out without losing her infusion. neuvi is obviously the best example of this, where yes his dmg is insane, but the reason he's so broken is that his laser isn't (technically) tied to his skill and burst, though you obviously kinda need those sourcewater droplets. he can switch out to reapply buffs like vv or group enemies without losing his infusion. he doesn't have interruption resistance at c0, but you can move around while attacking and his aoe range is insane. he's basically self sufficient in terms of healing. obviously not every newer character is quite this broken, but most of them have at least some of these upsides, or at least more compared to older units
Back in 2020 I never thought it would be possible for Hoyo to indirectly buff old characters over and over again, but somehow they manage to keep doing it. It really takes a load off how terrible the gacha system is...
I like the slow powercreep. I think the reason why most casuals choose genshin is due to the fact that they can play the game however they want, regardless of the power level of their preferred character
Arle crept Tao, but not dps wise, at least not at C0. Having some AOE and frontloading damage means that Arle is generally just stronger and clears faster, but their best teams at C0 are at 80-85K dps for Arle vs 90K dps for Tao. Arle just has much, much better cons and she is a hypercarry, so they are a lot more impactful for her teams.
@@EldenXord This the prime example of 10 IQ youtube idiot in the wild. My statements " Arle is generally stronger thanks to AOE and frontload." Your response " stop coping old player" ?????? Frontload matters more than the dps, if you didn't know.
@@EldenXord This is the prime example of 10 IQ youtube idiot in the wild. My statement " Arle is generally stronger thanks to frontload and AOE" Your response "Stop coping old player" Frontload matters more than the dps at a certain point if you didn't know. But its a concept thats too hard for you to understand, I get it.
To be fair, diluc furina bennet xianyun, basically a diluc plunge team made him SS tier dps wise and can even outdo hu tao (his old powercreep). Even hu tao got a indirect buff to her oldest teams where you can run hu tao zhongli xilonen (no q) c6 xinqui (yelan c0 is not enough for vape) and this is a upgrade over her old team, so to be honest the powercreep is very well managed, even eula got indirectly buffed by mika and furina so if you look at that team its also able to comfortably clear abyss 36 stars now. There is only a few cases like albedo who got directly powercrept but he still has way more aoe than chiori and I have a feeling they will release a broken 5 star weapon tailored to only albedo on his next rerun to make up the gap between chiori and albedo (similar to polar star childe). I'll say this at all c0, neuvilette furina xilonen kazuha team does NOT work due to neuvilette having no interrupt resist and will get his ca knocked out - you kinda need c1 neuvillette for his new broken team to even work cus at c0 neu with furina does not get 3 stacks
So my take from this video is, as long as the unit deals with a lot of Elemental Reactions or does great damage off of Elemental Reactions their powercreep will be slow if ever.
What I think is nice about Genshin though is that you don't really need to replace a character with someone else. With good investment, anyone can be good. Can't say the same thing about Honkai impact 3rd though cause no matter how much investment you had on a character they will get POWERCREEPED
After dumping into Ayaka and watching her get pushed into obscurity I never invest into DPS cons anymore. If they cant be played at C0, I don’t pull. Only support cons that have a direct and substantial effect on their capability to support. DPS cons inly improve one character. Support cons can improve many.
My man here claiming that Eula is exempt from the elemental system when Superconduct is *right there*. Simply buff Superconduct (or make a version of Chevreuse for Superconduct) and Eula is back.
I will never get over the fact that regardless of how conceptually bad Xiangling is in any comp outside vape, she’s still used on a bunch of random stuff and by definition “the best and great option” because there’s literally nobody else that can fulfill the role. Seriously I don’t want to play Xiangling on Mualani I hate it. Give me anyone else. On another note about star rail creep even though it was only mentioned as a passing joke, I’m honestly at this point where I believe that the early star rail design was fucked, break is bad on its own, sub-dps was not a role for a long time, sub-tank is still not a role, the entire pure support lineup (harmonies and pure debuffers) was and still are the most used and overpowered unit type in the game and a game ruled by characters that are literally just auras is legitimately what Genshin does but in a turn based format with pure buffs which annoys the hell out of me. And in a world where those truths exist the early character design is **absolutely screwed.** Most old dps units can’t be sub-dps because -SP with no synergy and no interaction with other units and they can’t be good main-dps because they get outscaled, any character that tried to be a sub-dps/sub-tank (Hi Blade) just doesn’t work because the game itself doesn’t work that way. Any character without a fua or without break related synergies fell off a cliff because that’s literally the only thing the modern harmony line-up cares about and if you don’t have a harmony that defines your archetype and you don’t have a character like Kafka or Acheron who define their own archetype your archetype is screwed which is like more than half of the old damage units, those units are also probably still screwed in your own archetype because you’re competing with characters that are better for that defining unit. People love to argue that Seele is still good in current year by stacking harmonies together to buff her mid damage and going “yep Seele’s shitty mechanics was why we won here”, but it’s actually just harmonies being stupid. Now this is basically the concept of holding up old characters with reactions, but unlike this statement where it’s ok old characters are unusable garbage because you can prop them up with broken harmonies, genshin at least replaces “broken harmonies” with a universal mechanic so it’s a natural state of the game instead of whatever the hell the best buffer is at any given time. Even though I said that genshin still suffers from this to some extent but not as badly. You can still slap Xilonen and Kazoo on almost anything and go yep that’s a team now. What I hope star rail does is define how they want archetypes to work and define new roles that old characters were unable to capture and then stay relatively grounded within that state of the game instead of jacking the creep again and I feel that’s kind of what they’ve been doing. I still despise harmony and the pure support archetype in general, stop printing them please for the love of god.
What's confusing to me is that this is a pve game not a pvp game, so why is meta and power crept matter so much, is it because of spiral abyss or something?
Funny about power creep. Many people tell that Neuvilette is so much stronger than Ayato. But they forget that you need 2 teams to play spiral abyss. And now you need 20+ character to play theatre. So i glad i have both of them. Well and don't forget to say that they work in different teams.
That's the biggest thing that comes to my mind whenever someone mentions "side grade" about a new character. Are they really turning their nose up to having more of a good thing on the other side of abyss? Or as Hu Tao did, steal all the XQ clones, or nuke/high potential hyper carries stealing Kazuha, Sucrose, *and* Xilonen.
I have hu tao and never felt a difference from arl. To be fair tao is C1, but I dont think the gap is that much dmg wise! The thing with hu tao is that she can be difficult to play
I understand destroying Chinese character's pronunciation because it's sometimes difficult to pronounce and may have foreign sounds but when you said "Arlechino" you killed me. 😂
I think that the element mattering more is true in most cases excluding Cryo. Cryo has nuts reactions but no characters use the element correctly. Would you honestly say that hydro is as good as it is with out crazy applicators like Xinqiu and Yelan
I like your videos, but I wish you wouldn’t artificially lower your voice. You’ve used your normal register occasionally and it’s so much nicer to listen to
Xiangling isn’t that great, she has a lot of issues, the only reason she’s so dominant is because she fills a very important role that no other character really does so you’re forced to use her Jean can be better as a healer in later rotations when you can take full advantage of her burst heal but other characters especially in the first few rotations can generate more fanfare like Xianyun Eula’s scaling is still pretty solid, I wouldn’t call it “bad”
I don’t think this game has a problem at all. Yeah my Mualani slaps harder than a semi but I still clear with my Hu tao and Raiden teams every abyss cycle with ease
You can easily clear the contents of the game but there is always power creep. The only reason previous DPS character still see relevance its because the team becomes updated For example, look at Hutao's Team Evolution Hutao XQ Zhongli Albedo Hutao XQ Yelan Zhongli Hutao Yelan Kazuha Bennett/Amber Hutao Bennett Kazuha Furina Hutao Furina Xianyun Yelan On the previous teams (high investment), Hutao's CA was dealing 50-100k meanwhile on Hutao's last team, she was dealing 100k CA + 200K plunges (since she's doing plunges, she kinda fixed one of her weakness which is the lack of AOE). Arlecchino however, has just enough scalings that her NA's were doing insane amounts of damage with no reactions and since her BOL mechanic doesn't wear off when she switches out, her team could set up vv shred/buffs again without losing infusion time for multiwave content.
Depends on furina constellation as well, a lot of showcases have c1/c2 furina for that kinda dmg. Hu tao's new best team right now is hu tao/zhongli/xilonen (no Q)/xinqui
there is powercreep , there are units who are absolutely broken like neuvillete does that mean that you need neuvillete to 36* abyss? Nope there is any content in the game that need specific units? Yeah but is not abyss, but simulanka , you need to pull a ton of characters, but their meta stats are irrelevant, the elements are relevant , so there is a wall here for those who don't have many characters like new players , maybe if they put a guest of characters to anyone do it wold be more fair, but that doesn't mean that is a paywall content like the ones in games like Epic 7 , but also is not like the end of the world, it's like 0.1% of the genshin content.
At the end of the day, if Hydro Traveler can clear Abyss, Eula can definitely clear Abyss Does she feel good to play tho? I'll let the comments speak for me lmao
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Poor Albedo, So forgettable after Chihori came out I forgot to even mention you in the power creep video
Poor Albedo
I'll keep using him over Chiori even though I got her just because I adore Albedo's lore and design
I still want Albedo to this day 🥲
Albedo is my favorite genshin character
Honestly, it's a gag in itself at this point. He's only memorable last minute
I love Albedo but damn, he's done dirty. Especially considering his ties to lore
I wonder how big the damage of C0 Chiori doll to extend she power creep Albedo? My C0 Albedo skill with talent lv 10 can hit 39K per thick (in mono Geo team). Because I might consider to pull Chiori if she can hit more than that.
The power creep in Star Rail is what Genshin players had nightmares about 💀
It's not great, but also not the worst I've seen.
Zenless as well
Honkai impact 3rd: "hold my honkai"
There is no concept of "characters with similar power", it's either new meta defining characters every patch or you are sent straight to IX's black hole, there are reasons why there are so little Preservation characters *cough cough* AVENTURINE!
@@electricitybomb there are no characters to powercreep in zenless, we literally have 3 dps limiteds💀
Genshin's slow powercreep is the reason I don't feel bad investing on my favourite characters. Cause even if they get powercreept Genshin releases new characters and makes them good again.
Even off-META characters have their place. I keep seeing Collei in Tier C as "bad"... but there she is on my Nilou Bloom team, applying dendro, helping to make blooms and helping to clear that side of Floor 12 of the Abyss in 60-90 seconds... no regrets in building Collei.
@@John_III have her c6 and have been using her together with al Haitham because I don’t have Nahihi yet - but her build has a lot of room for improvement :)
yeah Genshin isn't hack and slash game and just elemental reaction focus is really good thing, because every character just need to be enabler and no need to deal damage to have place even in future
@@John_III agree
plus,let’s say you really like a five star but a new meta five star is in the same banner.If you pull for the meta,you’ll have a strong character,yayyy.But what might happen,is that your favorite five star might get the shenhe and Eula treatment and basically disappear forever.And the meta five star is gonna get their rerun after a few versions anyway.
That’s why I tell people to pull for those they like,wether it be a bad five star or a not so liked four star.And Thats also why I’m gonna try and get ororon,no matter what people say.Hes always gonna have a special place in my heart❤
It makes me disgusted how characters I invested in Star Rail got completely benched like my Asta... And no she's completely powercrept by Robin and Ruan Mei. Meanwhile Theater made me level up AMBER and I enjoy that, using more characters than benching them. Maybe I should change my name LOL
Power creep is like real life inflation. A little is good for an economy and encourages spending/pulling new characters, but a lot can cripple an economy and make what everyone has already worked for worthless.
This is the best comparison I've ever heard for power creep, I'm stealing this
Omg man you are smart 😮
Genshin does quite well with powercreep to be fair. The meta has changed, but MOST old characters are still almost as good if not as good as before due to indirect buffs and very smart character designs. Now obviously theres exceptions like Albedo who gets directly powercrept, but for the most part, 4 year old units are still extremely strong. Then you look at star rail, and wow, old units are barely playable.
This is probably due to the unique combat allowing them to balance atleast.
Word. I cleared the present Abyss with no Fontaine or Natlan characters. If you know what you're doing and build even older characters right, you can clutch up and clear.
Funny you mention HSR... I'm new to HSR and yeah, it hurts. Look at the current banner: DHIL or Rappa? I really like Dan Heng, but my god does DHIL feel terrible next to Rappa... both are imaginary damage dealers... who should I pull?
--> The cheeky answer from many is NEITHER, pull Acheron and Aventurine. :P
@@John_II actually Acheron without her signature or Jiaoqiu is not a really good unit too anymore
@@arishaaishiwho tf is good then
@@sharkbite8766Firefly or Feixiao. Superbreak.
I have been clearing every single thing with my Albedo since the very beginning. If you know what you are doing Genhsin is a really easy game. You don't really need META shits, just enjoy it. -Proud Albedo Main since 2020
It should be noted that Arlecchino and Neuvillette don't actually have DPS numbers ridiculously higher than the rest of the cast. Hu Tao, Xiao, Alhaitham - all 5 of these characters output similar amounts of damage under their best scenarios. Mualani technically competes with Neuvillette specially in Speedrunning, Lyney also has competent clear times with the other 5, but I haven't really seen anyone talk about it outside of specific places.
That being said, Arlecchino and Neuvillette are RIDICULOUSLY easy to use compared to Hu Tao/Xiao/Alhaitham/Mualani/Lyney. They don't have complicated combos, you can always swap out to reapply buffs, and that's what makes them "powercreep" in the eyes of those who don't know any better: Quality of Life. Why go for CA cancels on Hu Tao when you can just turn your brain off and spam NA on Arlecchino despite them not being far apart in terms of damage?
I also want to mention the dedicated buffers while I'm here. It's hilarious how badly C6 Faruzan MOGGED Gorou/Mika/Sara, it's crazy. Sara isn't even BiS for Raiden unless she's C2, Fischl is. Mika's Phys buff is so awful that you're better off using him as an ATK SPD buffer for NA characters in Furina teams. Gorou is like... Okay, but he's not solving Energy Issues or providing the mind-boggling 30% DPS boost that Faruzan gives to Anemo Carries. Dedicated buffers are fundamentally different due to what elements/teams they're catered to, but c'mon Faruzan simply does a lot more than the others.
In aoe you see a bit more of a difference. Arle is better than hu tao and neuvi is better than everyone else. It doesn't matter that much if you have good positioning, a grouper or if one half is just boss fights, but for casual players its night and day.
Also, Neuvillette and Arlecchino don't rely on reactions. Their numbers are just that high. Those other character you mentioned can't really do 100k NAs or 50k every tick solo. C0R0 Neuvi and Arle can solo Abyss with ease. The rest, not really.
Ur not soloing abyss with c0r0 with either of them.
@@yamsbeansu can
fischl isn't used in any raiden teams hyperbloom or carry so saying she is BiS is straight up wrong lmao. That being said its not sara either it's just xiangling/bennett or kazuha.
As someone who Just 36* the abyss with Eula:
Her main issue is how the newer enemies have been made to counter her. You either have robots with insane physical resistance, or enemies that literally become invincible or get their shield back up before her burst is fully ready.
Even in this abyss where the Geo bosses sort of favor blunt attacks, both the plunge boss and the Legatus minotaur have rather short windows to deal damage. I found myself preematurely detonating her burst multiple times.
She does alot of dmg still. Yeah not as much as the newest DPS units but dmg is not whats holding her back. Its just like Cryo, the enemies have become straight up counters to their archetypes. 🤷🏻♂️
I would also bet you hoyo doesn't even think of Eula when they design the abyss, it's just whatever they cooked would result for Eula players.
I pulled Eula and 10/10/10 her but I realized I wasted my time when I was too late to the party when she was supposed to be OP and I just benched her because I don't have the artifact nor the team to make her shine.
@@planetary-rendez-vous Yeah she's sort of like Xiao, needing specific supports. But worse because none of them are specifically made for her.
Absolutely wouldn't suggest anyone to pull for her unless they *Really* like her.
I ended up with the team of Zhongli, C6 Fischl and C6 Rosaria on this abyss. Fischl really helps the dmg output outside of Eula's burst and particle generation.
her burst costs a lot and the damage isn't even that high, newer characters can hit harder like Navia , Mualani and they don't need a lot of ER , and their damage comes from their elemental skill so they don't need start a new rotation and use burst to finish low enemies
and I play her best team too (Eula , Furina , Raiden , Mika), but she is clunky and her team can't keep up with sumeru - fontaine - natlan teams
@@TheLastAirbender3468 Dude of course newer chars deal way more dmg more consistently.
I'm not saying she can keep up, im saying she's could still do enough dmg if it werent for the new enemies artificially countering her and others that have become "powercrept". And even then it's totally possible to 36* with her. Just way harder.
Imagine when we get to Sheznaya that we get enemies resistant to Pyro and Dendro, suddenly Mualani, Kinich, Arlecchinno, etc. become much harder to play and everyone declares them powercrept. 🤷
@TheLastAirbender3468 in all honesty eula only becomes a character at c3, her burst outpaces Navia rotation at that point even at equal constellations. My point is its real sad her broken dmg needs c3 at minimum when we got c0 diluc with c0 xianyun doing plunges that can come close to that
I have been here for 1487 days & Counting. And i have seen Genshin's Powercreep from 100k DMG per Nuke at C0 to now 100k DMG per tic at C0. So not as drastic as Night & Day but yea its clearly Noticable.
The damage ceiling got higher but the good thing is that old characters got brought up too. Diluc had 200k nuke showcases before and now he deals 200k per plunge with xianyun
Real tho. Back in the day 100k used to be considered massive. I come back after a very long break and find characters hitting 100k likes if nothing 😭
Keep in mind Hu Tao has never actually received an artifact set based on her kit unlike other characters, she does not even get full value out of Crimson witch.
In addition Arle is a character that cannot be healed by other characters and requires you to pay attention to her numbers while in combat, also I think people seem to forget Hu Tao can just give free Crit rate to the whole team essentially for free, something I think people overlook. What I am trying to say is that even though some characters are a straight upgrade for the most part, there are elements that still make the other character unique.
Albedo 125 em with xilonen for a total of 245 em 55% atk and 36% res.
Marechausse hunter and Furina + Xilonen/Xianyun is more than a good dps ceiling for her
Bro is pumping out videos like his rent depends on it 💀
Not complaining tho
My rent, may just, depend on it
Also The channel is doing good, people like my content, and I have a lot of video ideas i wanted to make but didn't so why not use my free time for it.
The fact of the matter is most Genshin videos on this platform only take creators a few hours to make at best, The reason why they don't make more than that is because they are simply lazy or so rich they don't need to. My videos take me 6 hours to make, Which means most of my weekend and evenings are spent editing so i don't blame other people for not doing the same.
@@Mr_Leech_HGC It's not just that. A good amount of topics, even some you are covering now, have already been brought up numerous times. At some point most things worth talking about get beaten into the ground like a dead horse.
@@TOTGodofWarI honestly don't see other channels discuss this, but might be just my narrow experience. TC only talk about TC, guides onyl about guides. I subbed because he's talking about the state of the game and that tidbit about Raiden. There's another channel about character exposition and writing, but the audience is way less. Then there's lore videos and that's not about the game aspect.
@@planetary-rendez-vous Sounds like an algorithm thing as to why you don't have the selection variety on the topics.
It's amazing how after the release of zzz hsr and wuwa, the genshin content still doesn't let me go, this game still stands out from all the hoyovers games, it's a paradox how many minuses and terrible decisions this game has had over the last 4 years, most of the community is somewhat disgusting, but despite all this, genshin still feels like a actual good game and not just another soulless cash grab. I've been playing wuwa since its release and log into genshin once a month just to run around the world and listen to music. Wuwa is 1000% better than Genshin in terms of content and my personal tastes, but I really don't like the fact that people in the wuwa community are so toxic against hoyo games as if it were some kind of inferiority complex. Thanks to your channel for criticizing and evaluating all the games without a clear bias and not going to extremes.
Funny I'd say the reverse about Wuwa and I just can't be arsed to grind even more for this game when I already enjoy my time in Genshin, and I played Wuwa. However they have top tier characters.
lol wuwa content is always repeating. the only thing that wuwa beat genshin is the character gameplay, and mc design.
"Exempt from the elemental mechanic system"
Superconduct: 👁👄👁
Superconduct buff is gonna make eula meta surely
@@rodrigorodrigues2129 naw way
Shatter: 👀
@@rodrigorodrigues2129 I really hope so because my girl eula need some buff right now, she's have been my main since her release
That whole part that it took 4 years for Hu Tao to be outclassed by anyone is what i always try to say with genshin and powercreep as yes it does exist but it's so minor and takes so long that i would not blame you if you were still using Hu Tao just because it really doesn't matter as doing 30k or 45k is noticeable but not needed even for the hardest abyss floors as you can still clear them
Despite some very clear, disgusting mistakes (Gutting Venti, ignoring Cryo, and fucking Neuvillette)
Overall I’m actually glad there hasn’t been as bad of powercreep as there is in Star Rail.
The problem with Venti is the same problem as freeze. They're both balance nightmares because you can't make them a bit better or a bit worse, either they turn the abyss into a peaceful stroll through the park or they do literally nothing. Yes or no, on or off. They did maybe slightly overcorrect though
@@GCWeber the change to abyss lineup only affects venti and himself, while most bosses being unfreezeable killed almost the entire cryo roster
@@arcofhell that's fair. I didn't mean they were equally bad though, I was just comparing them to illustrate *why* Venti got powercrept so hard
Venti is very good in theater tho so hey at least he has that
If Venti was still as good as he used to be, he would be completely broken. Like, Neuvillette level broken. One burst would clear a whole floor.
As a Venti Main, I appreciate this video
Ooofffff
You're really not gonna like one of my future videos
@@Mr_Leech_HGC As a Venti main, i'm dying in hope of him having a rework. Do you think that we'll ever seen a rework in Genshin?
i'm another venti fan and the fact that he's a powercrept archon is wild. i want him to get a lore buff at least, because that signora scene was pure disrespect
@@Mr_Leech_HGC Ah, I await it eagerly
@@CalipsoTheStarthere will never be another direct buff to an already released character so keep hoping.
I really liked when Xianyun came out because she made Diluc great again (in plunge teams).
He's my favorite character, and I know his numbers aren't like Hu Tao's or Arlecchino's, so I was happy when he got that buff. Add Bennett and Furina (+ Marechussee Hunter), and I have a team that can clear a lot of content. :)
His plunge team with diluc, bennet, furina, xianyun has higher dps than hu tao team now
@@Exhalted1 Interesting. I never ran the numbers but you might be right...
If you put Hu Tao on that same team, I think the issue is you're healing Hu Tao too much. So while you'd get the plunge buff, Furina buff, and Bennett buff, Hu Tao's own mechanic of needing to be low HP probably isn't kicking in.... meanwhile Diluc has all those benefits and good plunge multipliers (hooray for claymores!) and no HP problems. :)
@@John_II Indeed yes, diluc is afterall the highest plunge dmg character in the whole game, other than xiao but its funny he hits 200-250k vape plunges while xiao is hitting 120-130k in ffxx, for hu tao because of yelan and xinqui's combined dmg her age old hu tao zhongli xinqui yelan is still one of the strongest teams of hers
diluc is like 5 star gaming now basically
One thing to add to the lack of power creep is because of how the spiral abyss and imaginarium work, you are required to have multiple teams so if multiple characters share similar roles then having 2 of the same characters is not a bad thing since you can now use both for completely different setups.
Having Xingqui and Yelan only gives you more options for both.
Even if a character completely outclasses another character in the same role, it's better to have a spare.
Yes, abyss was already decent with this by having two teams, but theatre is even better for it. Like chiori just being better albedo. They’re already so niche, you’d basically never use two in an abyss, but with the vigor and elemental restrictions of theatre, having two sub dps of the same role is great. Same for other pairs like kazuha/ venti for crowd control
Before : choosing between Kaeya, Chongyun Rosaria (they kinda do the same thing except Chongyun is even more wasted).
Now : I'll build them all for cryo abyss
Just you wait until they release character that main gimmick is buffing superconduct and it probably would buff physical in some way, so Eula would be back in business
I don't really see it, personally, because superconduct is one of the problems with physical. It pushes physical into two elements. And since the characters are designed to do physical damage they typically have bad elemental application. And then you run into a shield.
And another issue for Eula. Say you face an enemy with 500k hp. Well, in 6s, you do 250k, then your burst hits for 250k and yay, you win. But now say you improve your gear, and now you're doing 50% more damage. Now you do 375k in 6s, so in 2 more seconds of swinging your sword, the enemy is dead. You don't really want to use your burst anymore. And, sure, you could cut the charge time short, to find that perfect point between charge time and burst, but now you have to wait 20s for the cool down. Eula, in a lot of situations, feels worse to play as you improve her damage, because too much of it is in that 20s burst.
Short of it, the problem with physical, and Eula in particular, isn't the max damage she can dish out, her damage ceiling. It's how rarely she can actually deal that damage. Things always conspire to leave physical far below its damage ceiling.
Citlali might buff superconduct,the tsaritsa perhaps too.Shatter might become meta too,depends on what the tsaritsa is gonna buff.
But I hope that cryo will finally not be ignored anymore and be given the attention it deserves.
Even you buff Super conduct a lot of enemy is ruin guard (75% Physical Resistance). The super conduct - can shredded Physical at 40%
Can't wait for that, my eula need some buff
as a person whose five favorite characters have all been completely powercrept i have lost my faith in the meta at this point. no one can stop me from building hypercarry albedo and venti now
I know this is going to sound odd, but trust me when I say Albedo is better than most realize - even now!
@@DeyadaKris Agree, but Chiori is still better than him. Chiori and Albedo are both heavily underrated.
As a die hard eula main I agree, it doesn't matter that our mains have been powercrept, they still clear, and if eventually they don't clear, we can still use them in the overworld
@DeyadaKris
See, the problem with Albedo isn't that his damage is bad
It's that his kit literally doesn't work
His flower breaks if an enemy looks at it wrong, essentially making it so Albedo literally does basically nothing against bosses.
Albedo would be fine (although obviously not meta) if only his kit didn't completely stop existing if an enemy got near his flower
@@DeyadaKris yh he's really satiflying to use, but in any team where he could work there's almost always a better option, especially now that chiori's in the game. he would be a much better unit if his flower wasn't so fragile and if his burst didn't scale off of atk
Girlie... Eula got bricked by the fact that her burst is back loaded and it's explosion is based on time after it was activated. Enemies can easily run out of it's range. And despite it's impracticality the damage you get from it is simply not enough. Like, Navia is literally Eula but good and practical.
Being a Physical unit isn't bad... You just have to be a GOOD physical unit. Benefit from ATK SPD, be able to use cresent pike, be able to capitalize on Mika's buff (which Eula doesn't if she swaps out early)
I'd disagree. Being physical is bad. Physical is pushed into cryo and electro, due to superconduct, and this, coupled with often lackluster elemental app, hinders its ability to break through shields. And shields are very, very common. It also doesn't interact nicely with anemo, which is where all the groupers are, so that's out as well. Benefiting from Mika isn't the answer, because Mika was designed by someone with no clue as to what holds physical back, what makes it so that it is almost always starting off on the back foot, unlike everyone else.
To fix physical, Genshin would have to change superconduct, and then release several physical characters in other elements. Probably lower resists on robots as well. And they won't do that. We might get a new physical character that is worth using because numbers are big, but they won't fix what holds the rest of physical back.
Eula isn't that bad total dmg wise with c6 mika, c0 furina and raiden (or lisa for -15% def) is comparable to most teams
@@Axterix13physical is arguably better against certain shields as they can use a variety of elements and apply cryo and electro. Only Eula has garbage application but she has her teammates. Rosaria, Fischl and Freminet have their elements (and yes Hoyo tried physical Fischl LUL). Geo is stuck being Geo but at least it's universal.
Probably one of the best takes I have heard about powercreep in Genshin.
Great point man, It's also always more newer players chasing the meta that like to mention the powercreep and how our beloved mains since release are "far from a good character". But at the end of the day, this is genshin a silly gacha game that we play to have fun, not something you should really be competitive about so let us all enjoy playing the game as we please 💛💛
Honestly so refreshing to hear such a technical and objective reflection on the topic and reality of the game - truly play who and how you want, there may eventually be better but basically all can achieve what you want to do so it’s a relief and a great reminder to not fall for sales tactics or fears of missing out or somehow needing a “new/better” character unless you truly like or want to use them
Great content, keep it up!
Xiao was the best example you could have used..1.0 - One of the strongest dps and then 2.0 - Fell off a bit and then 3.0 - became mid , 4.0 - FFXX is top 5 best team in the game...
The real powercreep is the exploration abilities they're always slightly better than the last like keqing,alhaitham,chiori teleports new ones goes 2 to 3 steps farther.
Also in star rail it has animation powercreeping nowadays E look like some old bursts.
Power creep is very interesting in Genshin but one things for sure, at least to me: If you're a physical unit and/or your damage scaling is pretty bad, you're gonna get power crept in no time
Personaly for me i got such good artifacts for my hutao that i dont feel like farming for any other pyro onfielder
What i like about genshin is that even when powercreep happens, the difficulty floor remains in a space where u can still clear everything fully with lower tier characters so u dont rlly gotta care for powercreep even as a possibility.
Eula wasn't even that good when she came out either. People who thought she was broken just didn't understand the game at the time. Keep in mind that when Eula came out, Hu Tao, Ganyu, Xiao, and Childe all existed and the next two characters released were Kazuha and Ayaka. People saw "wow big number" and assumed it must mean she was the best character in the game. And yet she didn't even release in the top 5 because her DPR was always fairly low and felt higher than it was due to the nuke at the end
this right here... what matters aswell is that modern characters deal more dmg than her while needing way less 'jumping through hoops' than her. even if she did just as much dps as Neuvillette she is still worse since she requires more steps to be taken for the dmg to happen.
Eula was good back then when she first came out and she was pretty much the strongest physical damage dealer character in the game.
Well at a baseline her damage is not significantly lower than other carries. The problem comes in when you look at the other three units in the team. They just don’t buff enough to compensate for nothing in terms of damage contribution. Furina Raiden and Mika is Eula’s best team and none of them do meaningful damage nor do they have any supportive artefact sets to run outside of Nobless on Mika and TOM on Raiden or Furina. They also have no supportive weapons options like Freedom Sworn Elegy or Peak Patrol. Eula has quirks in her kit however Hoyo did nothing to help her out. Cinder City Scroll for example was a huge help for literally every carry except Eula.
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac I'm not sure what version of Genshin you're playing, but Furina does do meaningful damage and, as a sword user, can hold Freedom Sworn. But it isn't worth it, because 20% DMG, when physical already gets tons of DMG and Furina is in the mix for more... better to let her deal damage.
Her kit has issues, though, for sure. Too high of a percentage of her damage in that 20s recharge, 6s to use burst. 6s for enemies to move away. And that causes an issue as well, where as you improve her, you want to use her burst less, because her melee attacks will reduce enemies to low enough health that the burst feels like a waste to use. Then there are issues with shield breaking. Mika has the worst app of pretty much any character. Eula's is 4/8s cooldown on her elemental skill, not great. Raiden's elemental skill is a coordinated attack, which means if you don't damage the enemy, no proc. Furina is the only decent shield breaking in the group. And shields are everywhere.
Problem with Eula, and physical in general, is that their damage ceiling isn't bad, but you just so rarely get to be anywhere near that ceiling.
@@Axterix13 I’m not sure what Genshin YOU’RE playing but Furina does negligible damage. Especially if she’s not getting buffs like hydro resonance/VV or is not vaping her damage. Not to mention that as a solo hydro she needs ER sands pre C4 instead of HP if she’s wants to burst every rotation. Also please tell me what use is Freedom Sworn’s NA buffs in a Eula team when Eula does most of her damage from her burst and the attack% buff does not stack if Eula is already using Pines? Furthermore not many enemies have elemental shields so that’s almost never a problem for Eula teams. As for ER that problem is not actually real. With Eula Furina Mika and Raiden there’s zero opportunity cost to run fav on Mika and Furina and arguably on Raiden too. The only sensible thing you said was Eula might have problems with being forced to “waste” a burst on low health enemy.
Thank you for saying that power creep hardly matters. It is pretty nice that the systems in place make it so that no one really feels left behind.
Why is the contrast like so high like what's the point it's painful to the eyes the discussion itself is soo good but man is it painful to watch...!!!😔😔
HSR Speaking:
You just reminded me that I’ve got Jingliu + LC in 30 pulls, stopped playing star rail, and when I got back, she was completely useless, even with my E2 Bronya + LC
Hahah that's why I delete my Account w/ Fuxuan E1 w/ signature LC, Kafka w/ LC, Black Swan and Ghost healer girl I forgot the named. Power creeping in HSR is worst.
@@yoiko89 Honkai Impact 3rd is worst tho
......I feel you bro. Even as someone who has been playing HSR from release to present, powercreep still affects me a lot. With HSR pumping out a new must have support every now and then, I can never have enough to get a new DPS. They revealed a new upcoming Harmony support (Sunday) about 12 days ago or so, and at this point, the word "Harmony" basically means "unit your account can not go on without".
Now if that isn't the biggest overexaggeration in history.
Buddy, I 36-star'd the last MOC rotation with Jing Yuan, with a suboptimal team comprised of 3 E0S0 5-stars and an E6 Tingyun. Against Aventurine of all bosses.
If my E0S0 DPS from version 1.0 can beat the hardest boss in the game's history in 6 cycles, then so can your E0S1 Jingliu with E2 Bronya.
You've been popping off with your channel, and I'm all here for it 🔥
Opinion : modern day unit feels so good and powercreeping old unit because they are not dependent on their burst. Arlle, Neuvi, Mualani, Clorinde, etc are the few example. Because they don't really need that much ER, make them can focus on offensive stat.
Great video. I gotta say, even as a newer player, being able to 36 star the spiral abyss with a team that had a standard 5-star (Keqing) will always bring a smile to my face.
Basing the characters around elemt reactions and basically providing several layers of buffer between the damage the characters do makes it easy to keep them fairly balanced because the main source of damage doesn’t come from your characters, it comes from your artifacts, weapons, and the elemental reaction system, and if your DPS is being buffed by other characters on your team, then you’re golden, regardless of how powerful any individual stat increase other characters have
What I love about this game, Keqing 1 of my favourite characters in this game, I've pumped an ungodly amount of resin into her, she's top 30% in the world and I feel like my efforts have payed off.
Kuki Shinobu my all time favourite character, we have gone through Sumeru, Fontaine and Natlan and yet still she's a S tier unit.
Genshin feels like a game that rewards you for playing your favourites, expressing yourself, and actually trying to have fun with it. Unlike star rail which I will not touch with a 10 feet pole, Genshin just feels right to me. My favourites are still here and kicking, some of my favourites characters are version 1 and 2, and add some version 3 like Cyno, Alhaitham and Nahida. characters and I still feel I can get them now and I won't be punished, instead I'll be rewarded for getting them instead.
Really enjoying all the content you've been providing recently. I always found your perspective on things interesting but now youre becoming one of my favorite CCs in this space.
I feel like the only reason why we don't feel power creep too much in the game is because the game is too easy and only that. As it was mentioned Arlecchino finally power crept Hu Tao, but we don't really feel that because the hardest content in the game can still be cleared with any of the older units. If we get a content that is hard even for Neuvillette or Arlecchino to clear, then older characters like Itto, Hu Tao, Ganyu will feel weak and out dated.
Easy is pretty subjective. For older players whom play consistently they should be able to manage for the most part. A lot of new players won't have that same luxury, especially given how time gate Genshin is.
@@TOTGodofWar But in the context of power creeping, we should only really look at people who have been playing a long time, because it is these people who are going to have more characters that have been power crept. Newer players are mostly going to pull for the newer toys who are stronger at equal investments. As long as you've been building your characters properly, older players should have no issue clearing any of the content.
@@muffindude2087 I dont really agree with that tbh... New players still feel the effects of powercreep in some cases...
For example, if you never play Genshin and you find a character in Genshin that you're interested in, but then you found out that the character is already 'old' and has been heavily powercrept in the current META, there is a chance you might lose interest to even start playing the game
@@Wiradika1414 Now that I think about it, you're right. The new players feel power creep even more since they have limited resources and newer characters go much further with similar levels of investments compared to older characters. Case and point, power creep only matter if the game is difficult enough for it to matter. I personally believe Genshin, for well invested players, is easy enough that power creep feel nonexistent and has nothing to do with the elemental system or other systems in the game.
@@muffindude2087 I think it depends. We definitely have newer characters that are just, if not necessarily outputting bigger numbers, are just better all around in other ways. And we have the certain key supports that ramp up the characters. So to stay relevant, you are likely going to need some of the shiny new crew to mix with the old guys, or you're just going to be lackluster.
And there are other factors. Like c0 damage numbers stay about the same, but constellations have drastically improved with time. The old constellations were mostly bad/meh. The ones on new characters? Generally very strong. And we're not getting that with signature weapons as well. Used to be they were an okay upgrade over other stuff. These days, they're often 20-30% better.
So power creep might not exist at c0, but at c2r1? Yeah, it exists.
HSR have worst power creep based what I experience in that game. Genshin it's not really big deal, since even no international still top 10 use meta team.
I quit after i got black swan in her initial release. I realized that after I saw Jingliu and Dang L power creep every thing. Now it's severe if you don't have Meta character you can't do the hard content in that game (Which mean less Rewards)
Thank you so much for mentioning madam Faruzan!
As someone who quit back in 2.6 and came back ONLY in 4.8, the power creep is REAL for me but i find it manageable; from 36* abyss consistently last time to when i came back (I could only 33* at most), once i got Xilonen i could already 36* again.
Thanks to Furina, me and my poorly invested Dori are just out here dog walking the enemies on Floor 12 like its casual Friday...🤣😂
Even Eula got a few buffs though, that nerdy guy with a book and... Thats about it☠☠
This bro came out of nowhere, published 472 videos in a week and became famous or something?
I can't stop watching your videos dude xd
Eula was also artificially powercrept with the addition of many enemies that resist physical and have elemental shields. Same thing with cryo and the freeze reaction, this was actually the first abyss in a while that i was able to run a ganyu freeze team and have it work for all 3 chambers (side 1). Venti is another case, he became completely irrelevant because he can't group almost anything in floor 12.
Even then there are still ways to retroactively buff characters. Once we finish Snezhnaya we might get access to delusions to change a characters element/damage type. We might get new elements like the Fontaine archon quest teased with the whale and Skirk (she 100% looks like a quantum unit, you can not convince me she is ANYTHING other than quantum) or we even might get a switched version similar to March, Dan Heng or Tingyun or something comparable like pulling different constellations for the same character.
Finally someone mentioned Eula, as an Eula main I got shit on after coming back after like 2 years 😭😭😭
Bennett, xianling and Neuvillette single handedly preventing powercreep
At some point it doesn't matter how much damage a single character can do. Because of enemy delays( invincibility phases, spawning location, jumping out of reach...) and character burst animations and cycling through rotations , you can't beat Abyss faster than a set time, which is about 45 seconds for the consacrated beasts in this abyss cycle.
If you can already do that with your current account you don't need a new DPS that will do more damage because it won't make a difference and probably trade off ease of use with clunkiness(like Kinich)
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as someone who has albedo i find it nice to use him with chiori especially i dont have zhongli, also not to mention i dont have navia or itto but i do have noelle with redhorn and c6 gorou so i'm able to clear abyss that is favored to geo
im also glad that power creep in genshin isnt that bad compared to star rail which eventually led me to stop playing it
With the sole exception of Kazuha genshin seemed to really not have powercreep whatsoever like not even a hint. But when fontain came out yeah... Nuvi, Furina and Arle feel completely different than the chars that came before, its actually a hard adjustment going back. And Natlan seems to be pushing things to even more ridiculous extends. Mulani hello? My friend who got her beat her highest critical hit dmg by a factor of 3... her Mulani wasn't even build yet, she had like 2 artifacts on. I genuinely expect the next harbinger we get to do 1 million damage on a normal attack.
The thing with star rail is that grinding for jades is easy since its turn based so you can get a 5* every patch. Meanwhile grinding primos is more difficult since its an open world.
Well powercreep is overall quite bearable in Genshin. I also like the fact that it seems to be limited to 5-stars as Bennet, Xiangling, Xingqui and Sucrose is my go-to-team since the first abyss and it still works nowadays.
I always hear people say "You can clear with any character easily" but man I haven't been able to 36 star Abyss since 1.2 even though I have good characters like Alhaitham or C1R1 Hu Tao built. I crí
Your standard of good may not be high enough to be able to get 36 star in abyss. If you only got 36 star back in 1.2 then you either take a massive amount of time off from the game, and/or you spread your resources way too thin which results in a lot of weak-mid built characters.
I’ve been playing since 1.0 with all C0R0 characters. With Hu Tao vape, Raiden overload, and Yae Miko hyperbloom I’ve been able to 36* all recent abysses
"your element actually means more than your damage scaling"
Navia :
since i came from KRMMO on KR server (not KRMMO on western servers) i pretty much got conditioned to see power creep as a good thing like KR does on their mmo
i want what ever is new to be powerful
Ah yes.... Eula my very own first ever DPS back then. As a former Eula main it kinda saddens me that Physical went into irrelevancy after 3.0 update. I used to use her in Abyss back then together with Ayaka Freeze but nowadays I rarely used her (yes I still use her from time to time but that's if I want to have a nostalgia tbh).
ayato main here. can confirm power creep is painful lmao, I can't even begin to guess as to how many times someone's been like 'why are you using ayato just use neuvillette lmao' like... gee thanks haven't heard that one before LOL
(I'll be skipping neuvi's upcoming banner and I'm so sad about it because I love him as a character and want him home, big numbers aside. would LOVE to pull for him but I need to prioritize zhongli. even funnier is that if the rumors about a liyue chronicled wish coming up soon is true and tartaglia's on there, y'all can bet your bottom dollar I'll be pulling for childe, I love that man
Im still using Keqing, Diluc, Tighnari.
And they do well.
But i have their supports and this is the biggest reason why...
i think that genshin powercreep is less abt newer characters having insanely higher scalings compared to older ones (though this is definitely a trend), but newer characters being significantly comfier to play than older ones. the last main dps to have their dmg tied to their burst was cyno in 3.1, since then every other dps has most of their dmg tied to their skill. like yes a character like arlecchino does more dmg than hu tao, but arle also has the benefit of not having to cancel charge attacks for optimal clear times and being able to switch out without losing her infusion. neuvi is obviously the best example of this, where yes his dmg is insane, but the reason he's so broken is that his laser isn't (technically) tied to his skill and burst, though you obviously kinda need those sourcewater droplets. he can switch out to reapply buffs like vv or group enemies without losing his infusion. he doesn't have interruption resistance at c0, but you can move around while attacking and his aoe range is insane. he's basically self sufficient in terms of healing. obviously not every newer character is quite this broken, but most of them have at least some of these upsides, or at least more compared to older units
Mr Leech has posted time to grab some soda snacks and listen to his video I don’t understand
Back in 2020 I never thought it would be possible for Hoyo to indirectly buff old characters over and over again, but somehow they manage to keep doing it. It really takes a load off how terrible the gacha system is...
Eula and Mika are waiting for Varka to buff them! Trust!!!
Even if Mavuika powercreep Alercchino we still run both in different chambers or theatre acts
“xiangling is the best off field pyro dps” cause she is the only one
I like the slow powercreep. I think the reason why most casuals choose genshin is due to the fact that they can play the game however they want, regardless of the power level of their preferred character
Arle crept Tao, but not dps wise, at least not at C0. Having some AOE and frontloading damage means that Arle is generally just stronger and clears faster, but their best teams at C0 are at 80-85K dps for Arle vs 90K dps for Tao.
Arle just has much, much better cons and she is a hypercarry, so they are a lot more impactful for her teams.
Stop the cap 😂 At C0 already Arle >>> Hu Tao, sorry old player, but face the facts
@@EldenXord This the prime example of 10 IQ youtube idiot in the wild. My statements " Arle is generally stronger thanks to AOE and frontload."
Your response " stop coping old player"
??????
Frontload matters more than the dps, if you didn't know.
@@EldenXord This is the prime example of 10 IQ youtube idiot in the wild.
My statement " Arle is generally stronger thanks to frontload and AOE"
Your response "Stop coping old player"
Frontload matters more than the dps at a certain point if you didn't know.
But its a concept thats too hard for you to understand, I get it.
Nah arles just better
@@odin1303 Yeah, i said that in my comment if you could read.
To be fair, diluc furina bennet xianyun, basically a diluc plunge team made him SS tier dps wise and can even outdo hu tao (his old powercreep).
Even hu tao got a indirect buff to her oldest teams where you can run hu tao zhongli xilonen (no q) c6 xinqui (yelan c0 is not enough for vape) and this is a upgrade over her old team, so to be honest the powercreep is very well managed, even eula got indirectly buffed by mika and furina so if you look at that team its also able to comfortably clear abyss 36 stars now.
There is only a few cases like albedo who got directly powercrept but he still has way more aoe than chiori and I have a feeling they will release a broken 5 star weapon tailored to only albedo on his next rerun to make up the gap between chiori and albedo (similar to polar star childe). I'll say this at all c0, neuvilette furina xilonen kazuha team does NOT work due to neuvilette having no interrupt resist and will get his ca knocked out - you kinda need c1 neuvillette for his new broken team to even work cus at c0 neu with furina does not get 3 stacks
So my take from this video is, as long as the unit deals with a lot of Elemental Reactions or does great damage off of Elemental Reactions their powercreep will be slow if ever.
What I think is nice about Genshin though is that you don't really need to replace a character with someone else. With good investment, anyone can be good.
Can't say the same thing about Honkai impact 3rd though cause no matter how much investment you had on a character they will get POWERCREEPED
After dumping into Ayaka and watching her get pushed into obscurity I never invest into DPS cons anymore. If they cant be played at C0, I don’t pull. Only support cons that have a direct and substantial effect on their capability to support. DPS cons inly improve one character. Support cons can improve many.
My man here claiming that Eula is exempt from the elemental system when Superconduct is *right there*. Simply buff Superconduct (or make a version of Chevreuse for Superconduct) and Eula is back.
I will never get over the fact that regardless of how conceptually bad Xiangling is in any comp outside vape, she’s still used on a bunch of random stuff and by definition “the best and great option” because there’s literally nobody else that can fulfill the role.
Seriously I don’t want to play Xiangling on Mualani I hate it. Give me anyone else.
On another note about star rail creep even though it was only mentioned as a passing joke, I’m honestly at this point where I believe that the early star rail design was fucked, break is bad on its own, sub-dps was not a role for a long time, sub-tank is still not a role, the entire pure support lineup (harmonies and pure debuffers) was and still are the most used and overpowered unit type in the game and a game ruled by characters that are literally just auras is legitimately what Genshin does but in a turn based format with pure buffs which annoys the hell out of me.
And in a world where those truths exist the early character design is **absolutely screwed.** Most old dps units can’t be sub-dps because -SP with no synergy and no interaction with other units and they can’t be good main-dps because they get outscaled, any character that tried to be a sub-dps/sub-tank (Hi Blade) just doesn’t work because the game itself doesn’t work that way. Any character without a fua or without break related synergies fell off a cliff because that’s literally the only thing the modern harmony line-up cares about and if you don’t have a harmony that defines your archetype and you don’t have a character like Kafka or Acheron who define their own archetype your archetype is screwed which is like more than half of the old damage units, those units are also probably still screwed in your own archetype because you’re competing with characters that are better for that defining unit.
People love to argue that Seele is still good in current year by stacking harmonies together to buff her mid damage and going “yep Seele’s shitty mechanics was why we won here”, but it’s actually just harmonies being stupid. Now this is basically the concept of holding up old characters with reactions, but unlike this statement where it’s ok old characters are unusable garbage because you can prop them up with broken harmonies, genshin at least replaces “broken harmonies” with a universal mechanic so it’s a natural state of the game instead of whatever the hell the best buffer is at any given time. Even though I said that genshin still suffers from this to some extent but not as badly. You can still slap Xilonen and Kazoo on almost anything and go yep that’s a team now.
What I hope star rail does is define how they want archetypes to work and define new roles that old characters were unable to capture and then stay relatively grounded within that state of the game instead of jacking the creep again and I feel that’s kind of what they’ve been doing. I still despise harmony and the pure support archetype in general, stop printing them please for the love of god.
Eula C6 1mil nuke... Navia C6 1mil x2 shotgun E skill...Gyaat damn, Taylor Swift power crept Eula hard...
JUSTICE FOR EULA BEST GIRL
Finished building my dps raiden, r5 deathmatch, just to switch her to EM
What's confusing to me is that this is a pve game not a pvp game, so why is meta and power crept matter so much, is it because of spiral abyss or something?
It’s just content that gets made when "content creators" want to piss off the comment section and get impressions by saying their main is trash
I have Arlecchino C0 on my main and C2 R1 Hu Tao on my alt, but i cant really tell if they are even or if ones better than the other.
play hu tao c0 then you can see the difference in playstyle 💀
Ennemis can also pc a character , venti for exemple and they also try to pc Zhongli with Rift Wolf (?)
Funny about power creep. Many people tell that Neuvilette is so much stronger than Ayato. But they forget that you need 2 teams to play spiral abyss. And now you need 20+ character to play theatre. So i glad i have both of them. Well and don't forget to say that they work in different teams.
That's the biggest thing that comes to my mind whenever someone mentions "side grade" about a new character. Are they really turning their nose up to having more of a good thing on the other side of abyss? Or as Hu Tao did, steal all the XQ clones, or nuke/high potential hyper carries stealing Kazuha, Sucrose, *and* Xilonen.
I have hu tao and never felt a difference from arl. To be fair tao is C1, but I dont think the gap is that much dmg wise! The thing with hu tao is that she can be difficult to play
I joined at 1.5 when Eula released HIW YALL GET AR 60 SO FAST
Hey, since you read comments, how about you make a video about units you'd like to see!
I'll think about it
We got a physical archetype buff in the form of Mika. Go on Mika buff Eula's damage.
I understand destroying Chinese character's pronunciation because it's sometimes difficult to pronounce and may have foreign sounds but when you said "Arlechino" you killed me. 😂
TLDR : powercreep does exist , but is not as bad thanks to the elemental system .. unless your name is EULA
I think that the element mattering more is true in most cases excluding Cryo. Cryo has nuts reactions but no characters use the element correctly. Would you honestly say that hydro is as good as it is with out crazy applicators like Xinqiu and Yelan
HSR power creep is so ridiculously bad. If you pull a character, it is entirely possible for that character to be power crept the very next patch.
I like your videos, but I wish you wouldn’t artificially lower your voice. You’ve used your normal register occasionally and it’s so much nicer to listen to
Xiangling isn’t that great, she has a lot of issues, the only reason she’s so dominant is because she fills a very important role that no other character really does so you’re forced to use her
Jean can be better as a healer in later rotations when you can take full advantage of her burst heal but other characters especially in the first few rotations can generate more fanfare like Xianyun
Eula’s scaling is still pretty solid, I wouldn’t call it “bad”
Talking about powercreep when All i have to do is spend money on getting constellations and weapon refinements and the game is easy.
I don’t think this game has a problem at all. Yeah my Mualani slaps harder than a semi but I still clear with my Hu tao and Raiden teams every abyss cycle with ease
You can easily clear the contents of the game but there is always power creep.
The only reason previous DPS character still see relevance its because the team becomes updated
For example, look at Hutao's Team Evolution
Hutao XQ Zhongli Albedo
Hutao XQ Yelan Zhongli
Hutao Yelan Kazuha Bennett/Amber
Hutao Bennett Kazuha Furina
Hutao Furina Xianyun Yelan
On the previous teams (high investment), Hutao's CA was dealing 50-100k meanwhile on Hutao's last team, she was dealing 100k CA + 200K plunges (since she's doing plunges, she kinda fixed one of her weakness which is the lack of AOE).
Arlecchino however, has just enough scalings that her NA's were doing insane amounts of damage with no reactions and since her BOL mechanic doesn't wear off when she switches out, her team could set up vv shred/buffs again without losing infusion time for multiwave content.
Depends on furina constellation as well, a lot of showcases have c1/c2 furina for that kinda dmg. Hu tao's new best team right now is hu tao/zhongli/xilonen (no Q)/xinqui
@@Exhalted1 the one that I saw had c0 everyone with Bis support weapons, but similar investment because it was the same person showcasing both teams.
@@denzel4341 Can you link this 200k plunge video?
@@Exhalted1 It was from an abyss thread from a reddit user and I can't seem to find it anymore, my bad.
Xingqiu a better off field hydro than furina and yelan????
The game not powercreeping basically at all is the only thing genshin has over star rail
this game is just too generous
there is powercreep , there are units who are absolutely broken like neuvillete
does that mean that you need neuvillete to 36* abyss? Nope
there is any content in the game that need specific units? Yeah but is not abyss, but simulanka , you need to pull a ton of characters, but their meta stats are irrelevant, the elements are relevant , so there is a wall here for those who don't have many characters like new players , maybe if they put a guest of characters to anyone do it wold be more fair, but that doesn't mean that is a paywall content like the ones in games like Epic 7 , but also is not like the end of the world, it's like 0.1% of the genshin content.
At the end of the day, if Hydro Traveler can clear Abyss, Eula can definitely clear Abyss
Does she feel good to play tho? I'll let the comments speak for me lmao
I still dream they buff Ayato