The False Sky and the Shade of Death (Genshin Theory and Speculation)

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  • @dplayer2693
    @dplayer2693 หลายเดือนก่อน +170

    Can't shake the thought that us getting an ancient name is a set up to kill the traveler, i mean apparently paimon won't be allowed to come with us into the abyss, and if we get that name before going then thatd be a solid set up for killing us somehow without risking paimons safety, perhaps after dying traveler would get to meet someone or something in the night realm or something before they perform the ode of resurrection and bring him back.

    • @Luc-Ferr
      @Luc-Ferr หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      You might be cooking something here. Traveler dying in the war and being resurrected by the ode or using the gnosis seem like a good reason they finally resonate with Pyro. And let's be honest, with us going to Shnez next Pyro has to be stronger so we can have some ground to stand on.

    • @dplayer2693
      @dplayer2693 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @Luc-Ferr also since traveler should have access to the natlan gimmicks, kinda like he has access to the fontaine gimmicks.
      Traveler could get a gadget of sorts for exploration, every natlan character has some sort of device they use to attack and move with. Traveler shouldn't be an exception to this rule, xilonen could probably make him a weapon with his name or something. But it would certainly make pyro traveler the most unique version of him by far if they do.

    • @dplayer2693
      @dplayer2693 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@KurtacusRex 😮😮😮😮🤯

    • @Electric_Bagpipes
      @Electric_Bagpipes หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I bet we’re going to use the power of Ronova, and then die.

    • @-libertyprimev1-902
      @-libertyprimev1-902 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      It'll also be interesting if this is one of the ways to become "a part of this world" like our Sibling has managed with their records recorded in Irminsul despite still being an Outlander, not that Traveler would lose their Descender Status nor their "Immune to Irminsul Tampering" ability... Like how it's Theorized Zhongli may be an Outlander as he's even older than many think, knows things he normally wouldn't or shouldn't, as well apparently didn't forget Rukkhadevata somewhere which is a massive flag.

  • @winterknight1159
    @winterknight1159 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    If you think about it, this is the first time we see something even remotely celestial in action with the red power sustaining the false sky. Last time was when we actually met the one sustaining it who sent us on our long journey haha!

    • @iosis9324
      @iosis9324 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Actually, not really. Near Irminsul in Sumeru AQ, there are floating exactly the same cubes that Sustainer uses, and unlike the fake sky, these are EXACTLY the same cubes with the same patterns from the beginning of the game.

  • @tycopsyche
    @tycopsyche หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    I agree with your suggestion that Void is the Unknown God. Pulling from Gnosticism, the whole curse of being a demiurge is being unable to shape reality out of natural forms, but instead only cubes and shapes that never appear in true nature.

  • @DiegoAlencar8
    @DiegoAlencar8 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    This just makes me feel even more excited about what will come after Snezhnaya, I just need to know more about everything secret about Teyvat: Celestia, Khaenri'ah, Heavenly Principles, the Shades, what is beyond the False Sky, etc.

  • @VeraldoAncodini
    @VeraldoAncodini หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I don't think we're travelling to the Abyss with Mavuika in 5.3.
    That will likely happen after we're done exploring the rest of the tribes at least, if not the whole of Natlan, because that's what it's gonna take for the Traveler to fully realize his Ancient Name.

    • @WhiteKoneko
      @WhiteKoneko หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      From looks it we only need Chasca's in the scroll and bottom all just the world quests. 🤔

  • @shozinks
    @shozinks หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    3:35 I was actually thinking the abyss was slowly eroding that part of the sky leaving cracks, and mauvika punched the crack.

  • @Outerringfuelgod
    @Outerringfuelgod หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    In star rails short about acheron they had the swords that matched the herrschers and the void one was able to make a firmament around the world

  • @weddingjay04
    @weddingjay04 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Yoh-Wal-Teh-Koo-tin thats how you pronounce Yohualtehcutin's name👍

  • @opswhyyou7216
    @opswhyyou7216 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I've said this in some other videos, but I think this is such an interesting thing to note that I kinda want to see how far it can go: in the original Chinese text it is implied that there's a male Shade among the four shades. Because when Lord of the night mentioned the four shades, she referred to them using the 3rd person plural masculine form of "they", instead of 3rd person plural feminine form, which suggests that at least one male is in the group. Since we know Istaroth and Renova are female, and the Fontaine wind glider referred to the Shade of life as "she", then the Shade of Void is probably male. Which means the Sustainer might not be one of the four shades. Maybe she is THE heavenly principle. Lord of the night also suggested that Shades do not count as heavenly principle after all. They only work for the heavenly principle.
    Of course there's always the possibility that this is nothing more than a typo. But hoyo did take their time to specify the Shade of Life's gender in an item that most people don't bother to read the description of, so it's hard to imagine they got it wrong here in such an important part of the story.

    • @user-yc3gk6rk7k
      @user-yc3gk6rk7k 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So you’re saying Istaroth and Renova are female, shade of life is a female, and the fourth shade is a male. If this is true then is there a chance that the Sustainer of the Heavenly Principles might be the shade of life? Cuz as you said, the shade of life is a female.

    • @Pre4xes_
      @Pre4xes_ 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@user-yc3gk6rk7kall the shades are female. The primordial one is androgynous

    • @user-yc3gk6rk7k
      @user-yc3gk6rk7k 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Pre4xes_ might be a possibility as well

  • @MelaninSweetie
    @MelaninSweetie หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    How come in every video theory that i have seen nobody mentions the piece of the unknown relic in the sky that we find in a hole in the ground in Natlan? When i found it and used elemental sight on it, it shows that it has elemental energy through it. I found this piece while exploring when 5.0 came out. If anyone wants to look for it i remember it was SE on the terrain near a Tepetlisaurus digging in the ground. But to activate it you have to do a world quest to uncover it I believe.

    • @SiliconOneFour
      @SiliconOneFour  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm pretty sure I meant to add this to my notes, but I guess I completely forgot lmao. It is a really interesting relic, and the crater almost kinda lines up with the direction that the shattered moon is in

    • @MelaninSweetie
      @MelaninSweetie หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@SiliconOneFour that’s what blows my mind that no one talked about it yet!!!

    • @kotarouinugami1745
      @kotarouinugami1745 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The relic certainly looks like it might be part of the moon, but nobody knows what to make of it.
      The boy near it trying to ask it to unlock his powers certainly didn't get anything.

  • @RareAngelz
    @RareAngelz หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    "Behind this pitch-black curtain, a chapter of hatred reveals itself. Behind the smoke, the lingering smoke. Warning, warning. Red, the red color of danger has now arisen within that pair of eyes."
    I think Citlali's act 3 drunken meditation was about the reveal of the true sky. Behind the pitch-black curtain (abyssal sky), a chapter of hatred (the period of history) reveals itself. Behind the smoke (sky), the lingering smoke (red in the true sky). Red, the red color of danger has now arisen within that pair of eyes (the abyssal eye in the sky that Mavuika destroys). I also think the abyss did this on purpose knowing that the true sky would reveal itself if it lost, since Natlan is emphasizing how cunning the abyss is. When in the night kingdom, we hear "Journey...Lies."

  • @arxii-21
    @arxii-21 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    6:07 my all time favorite shade ngl

    • @theangrypizza
      @theangrypizza 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A FELLOW ISTAROTH FAN 😭

    • @arxii-21
      @arxii-21 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@theangrypizza we’re like 20 people who like her it’s hard to find other people who do😭

    • @theangrypizza
      @theangrypizza 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@arxii-21 IKKKK she was forgotten by both Teyvat and the fandom 😭

  • @reveriesend4668
    @reveriesend4668 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    2:00 the Chinese had this as "self-abandonment", if that might help.

  • @Necrochaosium
    @Necrochaosium หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Theres been a lot of hints implying that the sustainer is the shade of "space" or "void", With her capturing powers. the fractured 'moon' beyond the sky definitely could a moon sister destroyed basically at the time frame of the second who came's attack on the primordial one. (same time that the PO's guardian angels were devolved into seelies, ie the fall of the unified civilization )
    The red tinge could also have links to the crimson moon dynasty and arlechinno's ancestors.
    (the crimson moon dynasty possibly came to power in khaenriah at it's inception and was later overthrown by the eclipse dynasty. I myself think that the fall of khaenriah in the cataclysm was orchestrated by some vengeful entity that used to hold sway during the crimson moon dynasty)
    The most dangerous enemy to something with a lot of power is of course deception.

  • @glory_m99
    @glory_m99 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    this patch refreshed my passion to Genshin lore and I am grateful for that ^ ^

  • @lilixhualian
    @lilixhualian 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    the reason why the sky was so easily broken is because Alice (klee's mom) admitted that the borders of teyvat have grown weaker. so yeah imagine even the archons could have broken through if it were their power hitting the sky

  • @angelvang8460
    @angelvang8460 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Oh my god I cannot wait to see what happen in the next archon quest. I have so much theory now. 👀

  • @EthHawke94
    @EthHawke94 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I hope MC get to meet Ronova, and through her MC can learn of the Identities and Roles of the other Shades!

  • @pessoaaleatoria9834
    @pessoaaleatoria9834 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As I can speculate this effect may be related with the fact we were brought here by a cube with this same characteristics

  • @judeervinsen2648
    @judeervinsen2648 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Zhongli in idle looks like the meme of Pablo Escobar waiting for something lol

  • @blue_mirror8
    @blue_mirror8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I was waiting for your video on this topic!

  • @nagorepalaciosdelafuente
    @nagorepalaciosdelafuente หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    I only pray they don´t kill Capitano I really want him to be playable and everything is hinting he is going to die

    • @white_tulip2189
      @white_tulip2189 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      They wouldn’t make him non-playable, why would they? His banner would generate millions and Hoyo is obviously not going to turn that down.

    • @nagorepalaciosdelafuente
      @nagorepalaciosdelafuente หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@white_tulip2189 I hope so, it's that his actual model is not like the one other tall male characters and I'm afraid

    • @mars9986
      @mars9986 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@white_tulip2189I don't think he would without a Wanderer redesign. He doesn't follow the typical character design of player characters.
      Hoyo designs thier player characters to be seen largely from behind, with a distinctive silhouette. Capitano looks like he's designed to be viewed from the the front, like Signora.
      Redesigns are possible though! That's been proven, but the model we see at the moment, I don't personally think will be playable.

    • @RareAngelz
      @RareAngelz หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm interested in his coming story since I believe the final foe for himself and "those countless souls" is death.

    • @Necrochaosium
      @Necrochaosium หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well mauvika WILL die and she'll also be playable so expect resurrection for her at least in the near future. (and maybe our frosty knight)

  • @rikito99
    @rikito99 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    If what we got from data is true, that unknown god labeled as “asmoday”, then its seems fitting that she is one of shade since the name all comes from Ars Goetia.
    Istaroth - Astaroth
    Asmoday - Asmodeus
    Ronova - Ronove
    Only remains shade if life whose name never mentioned

  • @SilverLawrenceGamingg
    @SilverLawrenceGamingg หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Cant wait to see 5.3 i hope pyro traveler not will be as weak like hydro is

  • @peekafch
    @peekafch หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    2:10 Ronova is not the only exception to the rule. In fact a certain shade in more known and more worshipped than her. That being Istaroth, Shade of Time having not one but TWO nations commemorating her existence with giant statues.

    • @callmerosa170
      @callmerosa170 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Which nations would those be? Shes associated with Mond, Enka and Inazuma right? The big statues in Mond and Inazuma are dedicated to their own archons and i dont recall Enka having any big statues. Shes not quite the same as Ronova. Despite being publicly worshipped Istaroth is never directly mentioned by name. Shes always called the God/Ruler of Time, Tokoyo Ookami, Kairos etc. The person who wrote Before Sun and Moon wrote her real name backwards cause he dared not mention it. Ei also just calls her a higher power instead of by her name.

    • @mars9986
      @mars9986 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@callmerosa170 She has two statues in Mondstat, shaped like time dials and her own island.
      Inazuma is assumed to be here, correct me if I'm wrong, but the game never says that by name. She's mentioned in passing by Ei and mentioned in 'Before Sun and Moon.' Also known as Genshins only lore book :)

    • @WhiteKoneko
      @WhiteKoneko หลายเดือนก่อน

      Technically 3. The Aranara mentioned her, proof of her everywhere in Monstandt, and she helped Enkanomiya. But never named directly.❤

    • @callmerosa170
      @callmerosa170 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mars9986 Hmm i hadnt even thought about considering the time dials as her statues but i suppose that makes sense.
      Im not quite sure what you mean by "Inazuma is assumed to be here, correct me if I'm wrong, but the game never says that by name. ". If this is in reference to the statue of the omnipresent god, that statue is of Ei not Istaroth. But yes she is mentioned by Ei though her name only appears to the player and while she is talked about in Before Sun and Moon her name is written backwards so as to not directly mention her.

  • @generaltoszur1036
    @generaltoszur1036 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    False sky this , shade of death that , but can someone clarify to me if shade of death helping create night kingdom was also a think that displeased heavenly principles or was it only because she allowed xbalanque to use her power , because if she did it all without the approval of heanevly principles then what is celestial nail doing in night kingdom , is it supposed to be just another representation of real natlan in night kingdom which means that there s a nail in natlan and nail in night kingdom is just a reflection of it and if its isnt the case that how did the nail end up there , because i dotn think shade of death would fall onto a lever that released it and dropped it from celestia into a realm of conciousness

  • @doveslizleskiss2956
    @doveslizleskiss2956 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    i'm a little conflicted on the who the shades might be because idk if i'm just stupid but aren't we (the traveler in the story) referring to the "unknown god" as the heavenly principles? i don't think the heavenly principles and the sustainer of heavenly principles are different people.

  • @GuyWithAnAmazingHat
    @GuyWithAnAmazingHat 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    "False skies" were a recurring aspect of Bubble Universes in Hoyoverse, they exist for various reasons.
    They are either the last "snap shot" of the sky of a world before it "fell off the branch" of the Hoyoverse multiversal structure known as the Imaginary Tree, essentially become the Bubble Universe's event horizon; Or they could be an artificial sky created for various reasons, from "protecting", "containing" to "deceiving", often with grave reasons that will severely affect the life of the Bubble Universe when discovered or removed.
    In my opinion with experience from Honkai 3rd's Bubble Universes along with the themes and lore of Genshin, I believe Teyvat is a Bubble Universe created to sustain a world within a dream. And the process of creating this dream created a snapshot of the sky that also functions as a shield that protects Teyvat from the threats beyond this world. What Celestia wants is for Teyvat to dream big, grow and mature in this world so that one day they can eventually wake up and burst forth from this world and be ready to take on what is beyond.
    And in order to do this, they have to truly become an obstacle for civilisation, Celestia has to be such an overwhelming force worth defying and overcoming that humanity will reach for the dreams and mature for themselves, Heavenly Principles will become the Destiny itself that Teyvat has to overcome.
    Celestia will take on each civilisation with full force, anyone who wishes to over come Destiny will be met with the full power of Celestia, and if they fail, civilisations will be destroyed; They will become ruins and legends for the following cycles to learn from and to sprout even bigger dreams to overcome Destiny. This is what the Samsara is, cycles of civilisations being born, dying and being reborn, until the world reaches Enlightenment and awakes from this dream.

    • @Pre4xes_
      @Pre4xes_ 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Bubble worlds*

  • @ZECRA602
    @ZECRA602 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    The fact Seelie means soul in German is very on the nose

    • @bunkerengel6725
      @bunkerengel6725 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I really thought they just translated "soulie' until i changed my game to english xD

    • @yanfeimain9135
      @yanfeimain9135 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      not quite… seele means soul in german

    • @TheBilayer
      @TheBilayer หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I have read somewhere but cant remember where seelie could be fae too and it could be happy and lucky which sound like klee. Pulcinella could be unseelie, grumpy and unlucky.

    • @captainjessie7257
      @captainjessie7257 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It's also a term for a fairy in Scottish

    • @bunkerengel6725
      @bunkerengel6725 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@captainjessie7257 that is so cute

  • @robertmelconde8151
    @robertmelconde8151 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Good video.

  • @white_tulip2189
    @white_tulip2189 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Do you have a video on what Aether and Lumine were up to before trying to leave Teyvat, at the very beginning of the game? I don’t think I ever saw any theories on it.

  • @_jules_perez_
    @_jules_perez_ หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I clicked so fast

  • @angrygamer6584
    @angrygamer6584 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Still believe the Heavenly Principles is the 2nd descender.

  • @derbabo09
    @derbabo09 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Could the curse of immortality of the survivors of khaenriah be related to ronova or god of life too? We also saw the sustainer cubes in the desrruction scene of khaenriah afterall as well

    • @SiliconOneFour
      @SiliconOneFour  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      With what Capitano was saying, I definitely think so

    • @derbabo09
      @derbabo09 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SiliconOneFour interesting. Also capitano said khaenriah was destroyed by the abyss. So far i thought the 6 archons (without rukkhadevata) caused the cataclysm. Maybe you could do a vid about that and the difference between THE abyss and the abyss order.

    • @kotarouinugami1745
      @kotarouinugami1745 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The Abyss Order did not exist during the Cataclysm. They were formed after it, mostly by survivors from Khaenri'ah willing to take revenge on the gods.
      But why Capitano says the destruction of Khaenri'ah was done by the Abyss, while Clothar and Dainsleif blame gods?
      Is it Abyssal influence clouding their minds? Like it happened with Dvalin?

  • @davidjohnson8273
    @davidjohnson8273 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    4:30 Are you calling the Moon Sisters fat?

    • @SiliconOneFour
      @SiliconOneFour  หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I hope not, don't want to disrespect the dead

    • @kotarouinugami1745
      @kotarouinugami1745 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are not fat. They are round, as moons should be.

  • @nettedteeth
    @nettedteeth หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yippee!

  • @ragingphoenix6196
    @ragingphoenix6196 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The firmament being only temporary broken through using the power of death on the inside, where it is presumably weaker, makes the twins entrance into teyvat much more meaningful. As they would’ve to have power equal to a shade if not greater to create an opening into teyvat. Furthermore if it was a controlled opening in teyvat, since the populace did not know about or see the true sky, then twins would have to far exceed the power of a single shade, as it would require more skill and intelligence than merely brute forcing an opening.

    • @AndrewsMobs
      @AndrewsMobs หลายเดือนก่อน

      The sustainer of heavenly principles is obviously responsible for that hole

  • @flinthart
    @flinthart หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wym shades are all secretive and had never been mentioned by any archon.
    Istaroth was publicly known and even worshipped as you said and ei mentioned her in her second story quest.

    • @SiliconOneFour
      @SiliconOneFour  หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Ei mentioned her indirectly, she said "higher power." She never specifically said Istaroth. The God of Time has been widely forgotten, and the only reason we know her name is because a scholar in Enkanomiya penned her name backwards, Htoratsi.

  • @ame-vz2ni
    @ame-vz2ni หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    HIIII

  • @Shintakahashi123
    @Shintakahashi123 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It's just my assumptions but wht if??
    The 4 shades are represented from HI3rd Herrchers?
    Like the unknown Goddess Resembles Herrcher of the Void so wht if the others shades are also like this?

  • @funway1355
    @funway1355 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I interpreted what the lord of the night said as ronova could be the sustainer of heavenly principles. What if as punishment for the night kingdom and her “self pity” she became the sustainer. The sustainer doesn’t seem to care about ppl talking about her and the archons (“a select few”) know of her existence. The reason the nails cause disasters even though there not meant to is a price for using the power of the shade of death.

    • @Pre4xes_
      @Pre4xes_ 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The sustainer isn't ronova tho

  • @Yassinkhd
    @Yassinkhd 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Okay soo was the sky not fake before the travelers come to teyvate ? , if that's true then it won't make sense in the manga Which is supposed to be before the travelers arrive in teyvate

    • @SiliconOneFour
      @SiliconOneFour  7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No it would've been fake before, the Sustainer just brought them into the false sky (in my theory)

  • @theorize999
    @theorize999 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the Sustainer of Heavenly Principals and the Heavenly Principals are one and the same, does everyone you know call you by your full name at all times? ;)

    • @kotarouinugami1745
      @kotarouinugami1745 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That would make some sense. But considering the Heavenly Principles' position, it's strange nobody ever used the full name.

    • @theorize999
      @theorize999 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kotarouinugami1745 fair point, I think it might be a Voldemort type thing, they all seem pretty scared of her, well at least that I’ve seen. I’ve fallen behind in quests.

  • @sZejker_
    @sZejker_ หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    7:00 She must be the Shade of Void, there's just too many resemblances and I would be very suprised if she isn't
    9:38 same bro, same!!

  • @HonkaiBane
    @HonkaiBane หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    5:25 not like that. Heavenly Principles aren't Shades.

    • @SiliconOneFour
      @SiliconOneFour  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, that's why I said "The Four Shades and the Heavenly Principles"

  • @yharnamiyhill787
    @yharnamiyhill787 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Something tells me Himeko is going to pull a sacrifice arc, and plot twist is Captain will come in and switches place with her.

  • @elyxialuv
    @elyxialuv 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    as soon as i finished this quest my creative brain went to drawing a fan design of ronova and even giving her a kit lol

  • @emz4320
    @emz4320 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is it just me or Is the volume too high