I started off with a simple who-can-unite the empire the fastest video, but I felt like there was more I could do with the concept of playing both nations and this was the result. There is definitely more like this that I think could be interesting, but you'll have to wait and see for that.
Hello Bubbles im trying to do the Brazil monarchist path and i tried to improve relations with Portugal, applied diplomatic pression with spie's a non agression pact but they not unite with me and instead go with the commonwealth. What is the maximum opinion that will make them accept to unite?. And also i really agree with you in the point that it should be like the Portugal side (saying yes most of the times) and it will even more fun considering that the Portugal focus doesn't allow you to make a formable nation uniting latin america, but anyways im gonna report this issue to a Paradox forum. Also im still waiting you to do a video ranking every French path it would be very interesting (by the way im not pressuring you to do it now take your time)
Brazil normally doesnt refuse the unification because it is programmed to accept if Portugal helped them in the civil war, which is something easy to do. Now for Portugal to unify with Monarchist Brazil relies way more in some specific things to happen, like them being at war with low stability
One thing I've always wondered if it would be a fun feature is adding "National Institutions" that you can expend political power to win over and not only would each one provide bonuses but also would allow you to do certain focuses quicker if you've got institutions backing you up.
So in my 3 times playing Brazil, twice Portugal has instead of accepting subjugation they’ve requested to form a commonwealth and the third time they’ve fully accepted and I’ve gotten cores on all of Portugal
The Brazilian monarchist path really isn't thought-out. Two unification focuses that do almost the same just with other conditions while the best outcome of both is only geting Portugal as a puppet? Additionally the deadlock with the generic focus tree for Portugal and the debuffs they can't remove. You can't really do anything else but diplo-annex them from there, but oh wait! You didn't get cores on it. Please PDX don't let your trainees do the focus trees...
Nice video, as always. As for future video ideas, how would you feel about competing focus trees in the same country, like Communist vs. Fascist USA, Communist vs. Fascist Mexico, or Grandi vs. Balbo?
4:55 I really does not understand how youtuber doesn't get, that doing this focus first is just a trap. What is more optimal to do, is going for a ultimatum for puppeting , and THEN reunify, when they can't say " no "
I am okey with Brazil's unification not consistent becaue Brazil is already powerfull. Empire of Brazil path can work without Portugal but Portugal's monarcist path totally pointless without Brazil unification. So I think Brazil is better especially if you count Secure Our Borders branch as a part of it
You joke but that is not the worst idea, I hadn't thought about formables. And then you have the comparison of a country with a focus tree and one without.
so instead of showing just lesser played paths (which was actually interesting) like you did in ''what's the point of'' you now compare ''similar'' focus trees. like what? what is similar? francoist and falangist Spain or what? is that similar? you compare Portugal tree with a Brazilian. which has 4 years between them. So yes, of course the one without RNG is better, but still since Brazil is newer it has more content. Same like for your Stresa Front video. As Italy you have something from doing it, while as France you can't do anything with it. that comparison makes no sense
I can still look at lesser played paths, just without wtp as the framing device. Anyway, I was trying to look at paths that do broadly the same thing. So we're here with the Monarchist paths that both unify Brazil/Portugal. I wouldn't do Falagnist/Nat Spain as while yes they share focuses, they aren't trying to do the same thing. Nat Spain is historical, falangist goes after the Americas. If you want another example there's Trotsky and Bukharin. Both are about overthrowing Stalin but both go about it in a slightly different ways, and you could make an argument about which does it best. [i.e coup v civil war]
@@BubblesZest yeah but you see where the problem is with this video idea. not only because you compare trees which are 4 5 years different but like your example know, trotskyist and bukharist, both are otherthrowing stalin, but bukharinist focus on economy and ''true marxism''(POUM) while as trotsky you want to declare many wars and have at the end many puppets (thats why you also the autonomy republics sub-tree). And we could expand that on so many more examples... My point is, you won't have much to compare, because everything in hoi4 has more or less a point and you can't compare stuff which isn't meant to go the exact same way. Maybe in the core they are the same, but extended they go different and at the end in hoi4 it ends as world conquest anyways because of factions and nations staying in faction. so do not misunderstand me for that I do ''frame'' all your videos as WTP for where you just take a look for lesser played paths. I simply see more a catch for such kind of videos, then for videos where you will try to compare countries which aren't compare-able. This is my opinion, you ofc can see that different.
Yes but you’re missing something here: either Portugal or Brazil can annex one another in both of these trees. Portugal’s tree is objectively better in this regard as you can basically immediately rush coring Brazil, while Brazil’s monarchist path takes longer and has RNG elements which may scam you out of Portugal entirely unless approached in a very specific way. I think a comparison here is apt, as they both have the same objective at the end of the day, but Brazil does it worse. The only way it improves over Portugal’s tree is the South American conquest path it has, but you can flip fascist and do the same thing.
No, you are taking as if the conquering south america isn't part of the Brazilian monarchist focus tree, which it is. So Brazil can core all of South America and core Portugal. While if you play Portugal you can only core Brazil, and if you do the colony parts, you can take a few years to core them too, but you are still weaker than Brazil. Other thing that you take in account by the end of the day is that Brazil has a better focus tree, no questions asked, so even if you want to add more stuff, Brazil ends up topping Portugal without even needing to core them, unlike Portugal who can only do somethign if they core Brazil, which rarely fails, but none the less can fail.
But those focuses have nothing to do with the tree itself. Three separate paths get them, and you can ignore them and choose to do the Good Neighbor Policy instead as well. If you choose that, then does that make the monarchist tree worse as a result? Plus, I think the video is about which path is better first unifying Brazil with Portugal and vice versa, discounting everything else, as the conquest path and the bonuses the monarchy gives you aren’t really all that noticeable and can be done by a democratic, fascist, or monarchist Brazil anyway.
Actually your game bugged, the Portuguese will get their focus tree set to the monarchist route once you puppet them in the submission focus. Also, Brazil is better than Portugal cause they core all of South America, even with less research slots cause the devs smoked crack or something. Wdym the rest of the tree isn't what you are talking about today? it's part of the tree that they can choose between beign agressive or peaceful, it seems like you are ignoring part of the focus tree just to favour the portuguese that has less stuff. If you didn't count "restore our borders" as the monarchist tree, then "Latin America" (the portuguese focus) isn't part of the monarchist tree either. also Portugal is weak, unlike Brazil so it need to have something going their way.
I ignored the rest of the tree since it kept the video simple, If I included the whole tree it wouldn't be a comparison of the Monarchist trees would it? In hindsight I should've said I'm not including Brazil's shared focuses as it would skew the comparison. They're powerful but not unique to the monarchist tree.
It very much would still be a Monarchist tree comparison, since it's a path *they* actively want you to choose, so much so, they gave two options. While it is shsred with democracy/Estado Novo/Fascist paths it shouldn't be excluded. It's like excluding any focus the carlists share with the nationalists because they share woth each other.
Brazil focus tree 🌴 is much more stronger because they don't have a dead tree. At the very end of the tree there is the ability to core all America+ join axis or allies +MIO. You also have powerful options like the coffee baron advisor (Mid game). You can also partially fix a neglected state with Amazon colonization. What makes it bad is the lack of consistency and control to make Portugal accept unification.
I started off with a simple who-can-unite the empire the fastest video, but I felt like there was more I could do with the concept of playing both nations and this was the result. There is definitely more like this that I think could be interesting, but you'll have to wait and see for that.
Bubbles never disappoints! Keep up the great work man, you really made my day
Hello Bubbles im trying to do the Brazil monarchist path and i tried to improve relations with Portugal, applied diplomatic pression with spie's a non agression pact but they not unite with me and instead go with the commonwealth.
What is the maximum opinion that will make them accept to unite?.
And also i really agree with you in the point that it should be like the Portugal side (saying yes most of the times) and it will even more fun considering that the Portugal focus doesn't allow you to make a formable nation uniting latin america, but anyways im gonna report this issue to a Paradox forum.
Also im still waiting you to do a video ranking every French path it would be very interesting (by the way im not pressuring you to do it now take your time)
Actually the Portuguese monarchist tree is worse since you can't remove the state debuffs Brazil has.
Wouldn't that be a bug then?
They should disappear when you annex Brazil I believe
In one of the next war effort updates, the devs want to fix that. At least according to some comments at the paradox forum.
What if you disable the DLC?
you actually can - they fixed that from what i can tell
Brazil normally doesnt refuse the unification because it is programmed to accept if Portugal helped them in the civil war, which is something easy to do. Now for Portugal to unify with Monarchist Brazil relies way more in some specific things to happen, like them being at war with low stability
It would be nice if the focus showed some favorable conditions like you said.
Do Poland vs Lithuania forming the Commonwealth next
Great idea
One thing I've always wondered if it would be a fun feature is adding "National Institutions" that you can expend political power to win over and not only would each one provide bonuses but also would allow you to do certain focuses quicker if you've got institutions backing you up.
Awesome idea for the series, looking forward for next episodes
So in my 3 times playing Brazil, twice Portugal has instead of accepting subjugation they’ve requested to form a commonwealth and the third time they’ve fully accepted and I’ve gotten cores on all of Portugal
The Brazilian monarchist path really isn't thought-out. Two unification focuses that do almost the same just with other conditions while the best outcome of both is only geting Portugal as a puppet? Additionally the deadlock with the generic focus tree for Portugal and the debuffs they can't remove. You can't really do anything else but diplo-annex them from there, but oh wait! You didn't get cores on it. Please PDX don't let your trainees do the focus trees...
The first focus gets you cores if they accept
Nice video, as always.
As for future video ideas, how would you feel about competing focus trees in the same country, like Communist vs. Fascist USA, Communist vs. Fascist Mexico, or Grandi vs. Balbo?
11:50 i miss the civil war you used to be able to get war economy and extensive conscription :(
Portugal gets that 1000 manpower per week. Also don’t have to worry about the Cangaco rebels as Portuguese.
Honestly
The path just exists bc yes
4:55 I really does not understand how youtuber doesn't get, that doing this focus first is just a trap. What is more optimal to do, is going for a ultimatum for puppeting , and THEN reunify, when they can't say " no "
10:11, I don't really understand why people don't listen to the whole video before commenting. But what can you do.
@@BubblesZest fair
That wouldn't even work, since the unification focus requires Portugal to be fully independent.
do bulgaria greece and turkey its a great debate since they were relsed together !
I think that would be more of a ranking, but yeah I get where you're coming from.
@@BubblesZest maybe you can do something like "Ottoman Restoration vs. Byzantium restoration" or "Turan Khaganate vs. Macedonian Empire"
I am okey with Brazil's unification not consistent becaue Brazil is already powerfull. Empire of Brazil path can work without Portugal but Portugal's monarcist path totally pointless without Brazil unification. So I think Brazil is better especially if you count Secure Our Borders branch as a part of it
Hey bubbles, are you planning on another hoi4 easter eggs anytime soon?
Can't wait for Turkey Turan vs Tannu Tuva Turan(you basically core %60 of turan with Turkestan + Siberia).
You joke but that is not the worst idea, I hadn't thought about formables. And then you have the comparison of a country with a focus tree and one without.
What do you think of ''Chile vs Spain: Who has the best Hispanic Empire path?''
man your videos are always great, i love those about the civil war in spain
the Portuguese monarchist path does not work anymore
How so?
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so instead of showing just lesser played paths (which was actually interesting) like you did in ''what's the point of'' you now compare ''similar'' focus trees. like what? what is similar? francoist and falangist Spain or what? is that similar? you compare Portugal tree with a Brazilian. which has 4 years between them. So yes, of course the one without RNG is better, but still since Brazil is newer it has more content. Same like for your Stresa Front video. As Italy you have something from doing it, while as France you can't do anything with it. that comparison makes no sense
I can still look at lesser played paths, just without wtp as the framing device.
Anyway, I was trying to look at paths that do broadly the same thing. So we're here with the Monarchist paths that both unify Brazil/Portugal. I wouldn't do Falagnist/Nat Spain as while yes they share focuses, they aren't trying to do the same thing. Nat Spain is historical, falangist goes after the Americas.
If you want another example there's Trotsky and Bukharin. Both are about overthrowing Stalin but both go about it in a slightly different ways, and you could make an argument about which does it best. [i.e coup v civil war]
@@BubblesZest yeah but you see where the problem is with this video idea. not only because you compare trees which are 4 5 years different but like your example know, trotskyist and bukharist, both are otherthrowing stalin, but bukharinist focus on economy and ''true marxism''(POUM) while as trotsky you want to declare many wars and have at the end many puppets (thats why you also the autonomy republics sub-tree). And we could expand that on so many more examples... My point is, you won't have much to compare, because everything in hoi4 has more or less a point and you can't compare stuff which isn't meant to go the exact same way. Maybe in the core they are the same, but extended they go different and at the end in hoi4 it ends as world conquest anyways because of factions and nations staying in faction. so do not misunderstand me for that I do ''frame'' all your videos as WTP for where you just take a look for lesser played paths. I simply see more a catch for such kind of videos, then for videos where you will try to compare countries which aren't compare-able. This is my opinion, you ofc can see that different.
Yes but you’re missing something here: either Portugal or Brazil can annex one another in both of these trees. Portugal’s tree is objectively better in this regard as you can basically immediately rush coring Brazil, while Brazil’s monarchist path takes longer and has RNG elements which may scam you out of Portugal entirely unless approached in a very specific way. I think a comparison here is apt, as they both have the same objective at the end of the day, but Brazil does it worse. The only way it improves over Portugal’s tree is the South American conquest path it has, but you can flip fascist and do the same thing.
No, you are taking as if the conquering south america isn't part of the Brazilian monarchist focus tree, which it is. So Brazil can core all of South America and core Portugal. While if you play Portugal you can only core Brazil, and if you do the colony parts, you can take a few years to core them too, but you are still weaker than Brazil. Other thing that you take in account by the end of the day is that Brazil has a better focus tree, no questions asked, so even if you want to add more stuff, Brazil ends up topping Portugal without even needing to core them, unlike Portugal who can only do somethign if they core Brazil, which rarely fails, but none the less can fail.
But those focuses have nothing to do with the tree itself. Three separate paths get them, and you can ignore them and choose to do the Good Neighbor Policy instead as well. If you choose that, then does that make the monarchist tree worse as a result? Plus, I think the video is about which path is better first unifying Brazil with Portugal and vice versa, discounting everything else, as the conquest path and the bonuses the monarchy gives you aren’t really all that noticeable and can be done by a democratic, fascist, or monarchist Brazil anyway.
Actually your game bugged, the Portuguese will get their focus tree set to the monarchist route once you puppet them in the submission focus. Also, Brazil is better than Portugal cause they core all of South America, even with less research slots cause the devs smoked crack or something. Wdym the rest of the tree isn't what you are talking about today? it's part of the tree that they can choose between beign agressive or peaceful, it seems like you are ignoring part of the focus tree just to favour the portuguese that has less stuff. If you didn't count "restore our borders" as the monarchist tree, then "Latin America" (the portuguese focus) isn't part of the monarchist tree either. also Portugal is weak, unlike Brazil so it need to have something going their way.
I ignored the rest of the tree since it kept the video simple, If I included the whole tree it wouldn't be a comparison of the Monarchist trees would it?
In hindsight I should've said I'm not including Brazil's shared focuses as it would skew the comparison. They're powerful but not unique to the monarchist tree.
It very much would still be a Monarchist tree comparison, since it's a path *they* actively want you to choose, so much so, they gave two options. While it is shsred with democracy/Estado Novo/Fascist paths it shouldn't be excluded. It's like excluding any focus the carlists share with the nationalists because they share woth each other.
Brazil focus tree 🌴 is much more stronger because they don't have a dead tree.
At the very end of the tree there is the ability to core all America+ join axis or allies +MIO. You also have powerful options like the coffee baron advisor (Mid game).
You can also partially fix a neglected state with Amazon colonization.
What makes it bad is the lack of consistency and control to make Portugal accept unification.
portugal is the goat